A question for you phasing/ AP Gurus!

[Steve 2B]

Greetings!

Been doing a lot of trawling through many of the older posts here, searching for various bits and pieces to broaden my over all perspective of the subject. In one of Franks post I see mentioned something called 'the nine inner senses'. Now for some reason this seems to have peaked my interest. I suppose five of these could be replications of our five physical senses, which would seem logical. I wonder about the other four, though. Curiosity might be one of them, though I suppose it depends on what you define as a 'sense'. Anyway I'd be interested to know if any of you have found out what they are.

Cheers, thanks in advance

Steve

[Steve 2B]

Hmm...

Eighty-eight views and not a single reply?

 Thanks guys...




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[mactombs]

I doesn't seem like any question meant for "gurus" ever gets answered. I think they're in short supply. At least everyone else is honest and doesn't answer with something like:

Nine inner senses, yes, and pink is the color of the 6th, and corresponds to the 17th chakra, and mauve is the color of the 7th, and it is this sense that allows me to see All, and turquoise is the color of the 8th, and this is the sense of Indigo children to communicate with their alien cousins, and gold is the color of 9th, and it is the sense of the arch-angels and the enlightened ones.

[Steve 2B]

LoL mactombs

Yeah I'm not a great one for listening to all the mystical stuff. It all ends up sounding like you're doing the hokey-kokey, or something. You put your left-leg-in, left-leg-out, in-out, in-out, shake it all about. LoL.
Trouble is I've spent sooo many years reading the mystical texts, trying to get to grip with what really happening...I just end up laughing at it all. If you fancy having a head bender...Have a look at the works of St Teresa of Avila, for example. It's quite interesting stuff once you get beyond the rhetorical masturbation...But anyway I digress

How ya been anyway?

Take care,

Steve

[Stevo]

As I am not one to deny Frank, I'm about to give you MY view of it:

Nine inner senses? Sure. Do you want nine? Do you want fifteen? Have twenty, they're small. Make up a few senses for the hell of it. The sense of knowing if something's metallic or rubber, or the sense of knowing where the planets are aligned.

You say that you want information, and you sound a lot like what I used to be. What I learned is that really, it's anything you want. No boundaries, no stopping, no yes or no. It's simply, "Ok".

Steve, you know everything you need to know. There's a world out there called you and you can explore it in a different way than what the average person does. Inside your head is a blank canvas only shaped by the person you are. Whatever you want to do with it, go ahead. If it's senses, use them. If it's ability, use them. If it's beauty, see it. If it's music, hear it.

It's as simple as that. You are the only guru of yourself. Don't listen to anyone who says you can or cannot do something, because with enough effort you can do it. The hardest part is tuning in to yourself. Once you can reach inside and see that the possibilities literally are endless, the questions fall away.

People have chakra's because they like them. People can cast spells because they believe in them. There is even the possibility of running in to something impossible because you believe it when someone says you can't. It's all lies.

So what do you want your nine senses to be?

[Nay]

:Iagree:  Well said, Stevo, well said!!  :applause:

Nay

[mactombs]

People have chakra's because they like them. People can cast spells because they believe in them. There is even the possibility of running in to something impossible because you believe it when someone says you can't.

I don't know how much I agree here. People don't see elephants because they like them - you go to the zoo, and there they are. I'm not sure chakras are imaginary, but I'm equally unsure they're real. How can spells work if you're the only one to believe in them? Do you just re-interpret ordinary events as being an extraordinary success?

You'd think that if you believed you could AP every day at will you would ... but I don't know if that's the case either. Maybe my consciousness is just being difficult, though ... any word on how much of belief is subconscious and how much conscious? Or is the subconscious just another belief to you?

I don't doubt the power of belief, but saying everything is a matter of belief is kind of a cop-out.

[Nay]

I don't think Chakras are imaginary either, but I certaintly didn't know anything about them while I was having many of spontaneous projection through out my life.  

I think if it gives you comfort to, "open, clear, or align" your Chakras then great!  but I wouldn't go as far as to say you need to in order to enjoy the astral.

[Stevo]

Matacombs:

If you ask me, elephants and chakra's are two different things. Elephants are something that scream and jump on a stool when they see a mouse. Chakra's are an idea that a lot of people like.

Look at it this way; The physical is bound by a lot of rules, a lot of regulations which cannot be broken. If you take the step beyond that, you get to a realm in which many people will agree have tendancies of breaking the rules we set for it.  We don't even have the luxury of being able to poke and prod these things and to know we're even in control of the thing we're poking and prodding with.

Frank will tell you himself that it's possible to create anything in your mind. Why not specific things that will cultivate results? The intent is the root of everything.

In a way, chakra's exist. They are as real as anything else all of us do. But like anything else we do, no-one can really agree on one structured base for everything. Maybe it's because it's all really in the eye of the beholder. If you like it, you can have it. It works exactly as you want it to. Pick and choose your accessories

[mactombs]

Maybe it's because it's all really in the eye of the beholder. If you like it, you can have it. It works exactly as you want it to. Pick and choose your accessories

That would be nice. Unfortunately, belief doesn't quite work like that. I believe in OBEs, but do I really believe in them? Do I really believe that I can have an OBE at will? (No, I definitely don't believe that, and I think that's a major problem.) Belief is tricky, and I don't think it works exactly as you want it to.

Also, everyone knows elephants aren't afraid of mice. So, I figure maybe you're mistaken about chakras, too.

[greatoutdoors]

Mactombs, I agree with you in this one.

At RB's workshop in 2004 a group of us were just fooling around one evening, trying to see auras. I focused in on our "target" and instead of seeing the aura I saw a pale purple cone of energy with swirling sparkles in it coming from the target's forehead. That was my first exposure to chakras (at least that's what folks said it was when I described it.) My belief had nothing to do with what I saw, because that was the farthest thiing from my mind at the time.

I do think that your belief and your will can influence physical objects, if both are strong enough. If you have perfect confidence in your ability to put your hand through a solid wall while operating in the physical everyday world, then you could do it. It would just be a matter of rearranging the molecular orbits of your hand and the wall. But let's just say I am a far cry away from that perfect confidence!  

[Ben K]

Maybe it's because it's all really in the eye of the beholder. If you like it, you can have it. It works exactly as you want it to. Pick and choose your accessories

That would be nice. Unfortunately, belief doesn't quite work like that. I believe in OBEs, but do I really believe in them? Do I really believe that I can have an OBE at will? (No, I definitely don't believe that, and I think that's a major problem.) Belief is tricky, and I don't think it works exactly as you want it to.

Great point. *golf clap*

Beliefs arent something you can change simply by stating "I believe in change." It takes effort to change beliefs. the good part is as long as you know the belief you want to change its really not that hard. Its when we come across bad belief and dont know what to do that creates problems. like trying to fix your car without knowing whats wrong or what to do to fix it.

[Tracy]

The best I can give and that I've learned over the years is not to complicate things.  Make every technique as simple as possible because you need to save as much energy as you can.