An observation about the problem of having a AP

[Logic]

Hey, welcome to the forums. Sorry to hear about your troubles, but dont worry, its not uncommon to have problems when starting off. I myself found it difficult to be able to project or have a lucid dream every night, learning these skills takes time, so dont expect to become a master in one day.

Results are different for every person, some people might find it very easy to do any types of projection, while others might find it a little harder to obtain results. The most important thing is not giving up and believing in yourself, if you dont think you can acheive these projections, you are likley not to succed.

You sound like your on the right track, so keep up the good work! and as long as theres a will, theres a way.

[coral1]

Hi js

Welcome to the forum.I totally agree that having your mind more focused leads to greater success rate.One thing that helps me is to start affirming my intent to project well before I actually start the process.If I start planning a few hours ahead of time it seems to increase my chances of projecting.
I`m sure you`ll find plenty of new methods to try here and that seems to work for you!

Happy Trails

[Centa Five]

Hello js, and welcome to the Forums.  I think that just about all of us would like to be able to project on a regular basis and it is a real challenge to try to attain it.  As with most things it is constant practice that bears the greatest success rates.  You should have a sequencial routine starting with your relaxation process which is probably the most important of all and then follow-on with your exit method.  Try to AP as often as you possibly can even if it means drinking some water at bedtime so you will be sure to get up during the night.  By using the same routine all the time I think that ones body gets used to it and will sense what you want it to do and is thereby conditioned to the practices.  Also, you might be better off if you tried a new method for at least a week or so before switching to another one.  It's difficult for your body to start responding to a routine if you are constantly changing it. It is also good to have a firm destination in mind before you practice.  Try to visualize the place and truly believe that you are going to get there. Keep up the good work.

[jc84corvette]

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[js]

Thanks guys. [] What I'm trying to get at is well summarised by a saying (or whatever) I once remember hearing: when you want it as bad as a drowning man wants a breath of air, you will get it. So that's what I want! OK, I'd say my conscious mind wants it that bad, now I just need to trick my subconscious to want it just as much as well... [] No really, I'm trying to figure out how to get that feeling of doing rather than just trying, that sense of utter determination or how ever you want to describe it. The thing is, no matter how determined I feel when I go an try to AP, once I relax my mind starts to relax, and annoyingly so does my resolve; my determination melts away... A real problem!

Well, maybe there are other ways. But I just think that those of us who can AP on a regular basis have this inner determination, knowledge/trust about their ability to AP, etc. which is a key component of them being able to do exactly that: AP on a regular basis.

[js]

Hi all! This is the first time I post here although I've been reading these forums for a while now. I'm still very much a newbie so there's much that I don't yet, so please excuse me for perhaps beinga bit ignorant.

What promted me to start this thread is a question that has been bothering me lately, and it is one that could shed light on what makes it so difficult for some of us (it does for me at least) to attain various projections (hope I'm using the terminology correctly here) like OBE, LD, AP.

The problem I've been having with attaining projections is that first of all I've never been able to do one with my conscious awareness intact throughout from wake state all the way to the projection (whether LD or OBE). And even so, when I've achieved a LD or OBE they've been rather irregular, maybe one out of 10-20 attempts have been successful. They are also often not spaced by regular intervals, but rather sometimes I have 2-3 in a single day right after the other, and then it may be weeks or even months until I have another. When I have a LD it is always through "waking up inside a dream" rather than WILD/phasing method that is successful. And when I have a OBE it is invariably a case of sort of waking up with my body in a "coma" and simply rolling to my right and out of my body. I've never been able to do a OBE like Robert Bruce has described in his works or how the triangle method or the easy method suggest on these forums. I've always fallen asleep first, and only later, by chance, have I gotten myself into the right state to get out of my body. Like some have noted on these forums, getting out of the body is very easy, but to get your body and mind to that state in which you can do so seems quite difficult.

That got me into thinking why is it that I do get the experiences, but have I been unable to learn to have them more often or with my conscious awareness intact throughout. I have noticed that very often, in fact every single time with probably just one exception, whenever I've learned a new induction method, e.g. when I learned about the easy method talked about here, I've always had one or two OBEs or LDs right after trying them for the first time. Sure, I haven't necessarily gotten the experienced quite the way it was advertised: like I said, I always fall asleep first, but then later sort of wake up aware that I'm in the right state for a OBE, or sometimes LD. But the curious thing remains that they seem to work the first time I try them. This has always gotten me very, very excited, maybe it would work pretty much every time from then on! Sadly, no. What has happened afterwards is that the effect is lost for some reason and I have great trouble getting any more OBEs etc. with the new method.

That's curious. What makes the difference that many methods work for me, but only the first time I try time, and only very, very rarely afterwards? I quite suspect that it may be down to this: the excitement of a new method sets my mind more focused on the subject and that is why I get a very high rate of success whenever I try a new method. Then afterwards it seems like my mind sort of gets used to the method, gets "numb", and the focus is lost. So for the last few days I've been trying very hard to think of a way to rediscover that first time excitement and focus. Because I quite suspect now that if I can do that, then I can AP/OBE/LD with a very high rate of success, certainly much higher than now.

Anyway, I hope the above made at least some sense to some of you and perhaps you can offer me some advice, and I'd be even more glad if this gave you something new to think about what is it exactly that makes the AP induction so difficult for some of us and what might be done about it.