Angry Soul

[Darklon]

I have become a very tempered, hot, angry soul once again in my life. I am experiencing a grueling hate for a lot of people I don't know personally. There could be multiple reasons, jealousy for those who have many friends even though they are physically, mentally, and socially inferior. But ultimately I realize that I choose to be an outsider because I realize they would be horrible friends to begin with but it still causes to dvelope a growing and quite dominant hate for people I don't know personally. Perhaps my anger is because I have observed their stupidity for far too long (I'm still in high school, not only that but I go to the "bad school" as you may call it, where they send all the druggies and addicts).

Possible reasons continue but none the less I feel as though maybe this growing hate/anger is what is preventing me from projecting, maybe not. Who knows, it's not the first time hate and anger has dominated my life. I stopped taking my prescription but who cares, it's for ADD and takes away my impulses and ability to socialize so it only hinders me. I can focus fine on my own, modern medical science is not effective for they believe they can treat everything with medicine, WRONG. It can temporarily treat with damaging side-effects; not worth my time.

But could this be a reason why I haven't been able to project? I'd like to believe I have a natural talent for this sort of stuff but maybe the medicine has destroyed my imagination but hopefully I will make a full recovery from that soon. I quit drugging and smoking weed too.

[Darklon]

Nothing actually, I've never projected before, but I'm wondering what is preventing me from projecting. I tried to project on shrooms once but I found it far too hard to concentrate, I was lost staring at my wall watching it turn to shapes and faces, twas my first time on it. I used to always try to project while I was stoned every night too, but I was stoned all the time which I can't imagine would be good for me, although I did vaporize so I'm pretty sure my lungs are fine lol

[United4ever]

using drugs will damage your spirit vehicle. Also if you do acheive AP while on the influence of drugs you will find you self on the very dark and lower realms of the astral , it will definatly be a bad trip.

[kurtykurt42]

Nothing actually, I've never projected before, but I'm wondering what is preventing me from projecting. I tried to project on shrooms once but I found it far too hard to concentrate, I was lost staring at my wall watching it turn to shapes and faces, twas my first time on it. I used to always try to project while I was stoned every night too, but I was stoned all the time which I can't imagine would be good for me, although I did vaporize so I'm pretty sure my lungs are fine lol

I've done shrooms 100+ times and found it to be my only reliable way to astral project. I would fast and meditate for 24 hours and then do 5 - 10g dried. Then close my eyes and meditate for the next 2-3 hours. If you don't raise your energy through meditation, you will not have a good time attempting this.  The use of crystals also helps.

As for damaging your "spirit vehicle" or finding you self on the very dark and lower realms of the astral... I wouldn't call mushrooms a drug, since they occur in nature. Some other drugs, like crystal meth or crack might produce those effects.

[majour ka]

I've done shrooms 100+ times and found it to be my only reliable way to astral project. I would fast and meditate for 24 hours and then do 5 - 10g dried. Then close my eyes and meditate for the next 2-3 hours. If you don't raise your energy through meditation, you will not have a good time attempting this.  The use of crystals also helps.

As for damaging your "spirit vehicle" or finding you self on the very dark and lower realms of the astral... I wouldn't call mushrooms a drug, since they occur in nature. Some other drugs, like crystal meth or crack might produce those effects.

Fire occurs in nature. Not a drug, but still a hallucinogen. I feel projection through the power of our mind and spirit consciousnesses is the desirable and healthy option.

[majour ka]

I have become a very tempered, hot, angry soul once again in my life. I am experiencing a grueling hate for a lot of people I don't know personally. There could be multiple reasons, jealousy for those who have many friends even though they are physically, mentally, and socially inferior. But ultimately I realize that I choose to be an outsider because I realize they would be horrible friends to begin with but it still causes to dvelope a growing and quite dominant hate for people I don't know personally. Perhaps my anger is because I have observed their stupidity for far too long (I'm still in high school, not only that but I go to the "bad school" as you may call it, where they send all the druggies and addicts).

Possible reasons continue but none the less I feel as though maybe this growing hate/anger is what is preventing me from projecting, maybe not. Who knows, it's not the first time hate and anger has dominated my life. I stopped taking my prescription but who cares, it's for ADD and takes away my impulses and ability to socialize so it only hinders me. I can focus fine on my own, modern medical science is not effective for they believe they can treat everything with medicine, WRONG. It can temporarily treat with damaging side-effects; not worth my time.

But could this be a reason why I haven't been able to project? I'd like to believe I have a natural talent for this sort of stuff but maybe the medicine has destroyed my imagination but hopefully I will make a full recovery from that soon. I quit drugging and smoking weed too.

Hi Darklon, I empathise, I used to be quite an angry person and felt alot of anger towards life people and situations. Did plenty of weed etc and plenty of fighting!  

I found working on my self through mediation etc was the best way. Counselling can help some people and we must consider that anger etc can be an expression of depression or low mood. Also i hate to admit, but we can often see in others that which we dont like about our selves. "Ekhart Tolle A New Earth is a powerfully trans-formative book/ audio CD.

I think also when we get sick of the crap we see in the world and the general values people aspire too and the the way people carry on that makes us angry too. But when we start to understand our selves and others we tend to feel pity and sorry for them and eventually compassion for them instead of anger.
Good luck with it, you will get through it..peace

PS remember having crap in our lives can be good..if it causes us to evaluate where we are and heal that which we don't like or no longer serves us

[kurtykurt42]

Fire occurs in nature. Not a drug, but still a hallucinogen. I feel projection through the power of our mind and spirit consciousnesses is the desirable and healthy option.

And I feel everyone is entitled to there own opinions.

[majour ka]

And I feel everyone is entitled to there own opinions.

Of course, would be boring otherwise 

[Lord_Dark_Forses]

what kind of mushrooms do you use kurtykurt42?

[ayearhasgone]

"Anger" results when you feel like your personal sense of justice has been violated.  For example, someone who doesn't care about animals won't get angry when a squirrel gets hit by a car, but someone who cares about animals will feel anger.  It's just an example but you get the idea.

I used to have a lot of anger inside me.  My temper still gets me into trouble once in a while but not nearly as much.  How did I do it?  Well, I reduced the number of opinions I had.  I stopped reading the politics sections of the paper.  I backed out of arguments and reminded myself to let go of my opinions.  On top of that, I tried to be a more humble and open person.

It took some time, but I no longer struggle with anger.

I've done shrooms 100+ times and found it to be my only reliable way to astral project. I would fast and meditate for 24 hours and then do 5 - 10g dried. Then close my eyes and meditate for the next 2-3 hours.

I'm sure psychedelics can provide meaningful experiences and all that, but ideally astral projection is done while sober.

It's amazing how many conversations I have with people who think they can astral project when in reality all they did was drugs.  Maybe that's where "negs" come from, drug-induced hysteria--

Oh, reduce number of opinions, right-o.   *backs away*

[ayearhasgone]

what kind of mushrooms do you use kurtykurt42?

Obviously drugs are not okay and you should avoid them at all costs, but I'm a firm believer in freedom of information.  He was probably referring to psilocybin mushrooms (SIL-OH-SIGH-BIN).

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

The mushrooms with the red caps/white spots are amanitas muscaria.  They aren't really psychedelic, more like a marijuana-stoned type feeling, with some inebriation.  I'm just speaking from what I've read, I personally am not interested in psychoactive substances, except the occasional cup of coffee or glass of wine. 

If you are going to pick mushrooms, you need to do a lot of research.  Picking the wrong mushrooms is a very easy thing to do and it's a great way to get yourself killed.

Let me just reiterate that I think AP'ing while on drugs is a bad idea in many ways.  For one thing, if I have a bad experience and i'm sober, I can open my eyes or wiggle my toe and I'm done.  On shrooms, you're stuck with a bad experience.  I have a friend who has been going to therapy for years for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder-- he did LSD and had a bad trip. 

Furthermore, no one is going to take this field of research seriously if we're all tripping instead of doing some real, sober work.  We could talk on and on about the astral planes and amazing focus levels and being in the afterlife and all this great stuff, but once we mention the fact that we did it while on shrooms, there goes our credibility.

I've had a number of debates with members here, and come to find out, they can only project after smoking a few joints or doing shrooms.  For this reason I do not take what they say seriously.  Your opinion is garbage if you cannot project while sober.

Is it easier to just do drugs and have an experience rather than doing the work?  I guess so, but I have several OOBE's every week and I've never done drugs.  I guess if you don't feel like putting in the effort you can feel free to do drugs and risk jail time, it's not my decision.

[Stookie_]

Thank you ayearhasgone . This forum is about helping people build lifetime skills. Not quick unreproducible trips.

[kurtykurt42]

Is it easier to just do drugs and have an experience rather than doing the work?  I guess so, but I have several OOBE's every week and I've never done drugs.  I guess if you don't feel like putting in the effort you can feel free to do drugs and risk jail time, it's not my decision.

Strange that people go to jail for eating a mushroom that has grown on every continent for thousands of years...

Why do you think that is?

[ayearhasgone]

Strange that people go to jail for eating a mushroom that has grown on every continent for thousands of years... 

Why do you think that is?

Because the government is run by fools.  What you do with your own body is your own business, as much as I personally disapprove.  If alcohol, tobacco, henbane, and a. muscaria are legal, why not legalize the whole lot and go on with our lives? 

Fortunately, psychedelics are not a part of my consciousness research. 

[kurtykurt42]

What you do with your own body is your own business...

At least we agree on something.

[Darklon]

I'm not as much in rage now since Christmas break started, don't have to watch babbling fools pretend to live lol. I'm probably going to get an awesome new computer and a hand-and-a-half (bastarde sword) polypropylene training sword so those two things and the guitars I already have will probably take up most of my life after Christmas until I get a job. I will not even want to socialize, just want to get through school and then go home doing what I really want to do ( which I guess is what I do already ).

And it's good that I quit drugging anyways cuz I've already been to jail for it and it's been tearing apart my life. At least the friends I got through them have. I've been forced to do activities I'm not going to talk about because of that shite, no way I'm going back unless I get to murder the shitehead who forced it upon me.

[majour ka]

I'm not as much in rage now since Christmas break started, don't have to watch babbling fools pretend to live lol. I'm probably going to get an awesome new computer and a hand-and-a-half (bastarde sword) polypropylene training sword so those two things and the guitars I already have will probably take up most of my life after Christmas until I get a job. I will not even want to socialize, just want to get through school and then go home doing what I really want to do ( which I guess is what I do already ).

And it's good that I quit drugging anyways cuz I've already been to jail for it and it's been tearing apart my life. At least the friends I got through them have. I've been forced to do activities I'm not going to talk about because of that shite, no way I'm going back unless I get to murder the shitehead who forced it upon me.

There see, no spiritual solution needed, juts get away from it all, bit of christmas cheer, a sword and guitar..sorted 

[Darklon]

^^ thanks guys for listening, I probably sound really selfish in my posts though, I don't really mean to be but I guess I try to put it how it really is and it usually comes out bad.

[CFTraveler]

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Merry Christmas.

[majour ka]

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Merry Christmas.

Lol 

[akashicpulse]

Ya if you cant project without shrooms your not really doing anything but tripping lol..

[Darklon]

Ya if you cant project without shrooms your not really doing anything but tripping lol..

you can get "blasted" into the astral plane somewhat, but it doesn't really help you at all with reproducing the experience, plus you only get blasted to one of the lower levels. What I got from one of Tom Cambell's workshops