Another Trip Beyond the Earth Life System

[clandestino]

Hi Ginny !

Can you tell us a bit more about Om....is he old or young ? how often have you met him?

best wishes,
Mark

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

Hi Ginny !

Can you tell us a bit more about Om....is he old or young ? how often have you met him?

best wishes,
Mark

Mark,

When I first started exploring the nonphysical I was introduced to a rather large bunch of people one day and told they comprised my Higher Self, or Disk..whatever you want to call it. The energies of two individuals I recognized immediately as people having influenced/helped me throughout my life...another was an Irish guy speaking what I guess was Gaelic and he still remains a bit of a mystery. There were so many others but it was all I could handle, energy-wise as well as emotionally, and so have periodically met with them on a one-to-one basis.

Almost a year ago it became apparent that I'd be meeting with more members and Om was at my Focus 27 place several months ago. I nicknamed him Om simply because he had the feel of a monk, Buddhist monk--his nature one of great calmness and understanding. I liked him right away. He seems to be in his 60's, on the short side, nearly bald, always wearing a kind of floor length off-white robe made out of what seems to be like a rough cotton. His job has been one of escort it seems, as we go on these little trips that I'm fascinated with. I've met with him perhaps ten times so far---consciously that is. He's a nice guy, with a dry sense of humor and endless patience.

I'm working it out so that I can meet with him at least once a week. We'll see--:o).

Love,

Ginny

[Nick]

Hi Ginny,

Thank you for another wonderful post! Would you please explain what is meant by the 3X3X3 preparatory process? I am not familiar with what that is.

Very best,

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Hi Ginny,

Thank you for another wonderful post! Would you please explain what is meant by the 3X3X3 preparatory process? I am not familiar with what that is.

Very best,

Nick,

Here's what I posted last November. Hope this helps,

Ginny



Posted - 16 November 2002 :  08:32:37            
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Hi everyone,

Here's what I've learned to do regarding phasing or focusing my attention away from the physical and into the nonphysical, to explore the afterlife. From what I've been able to determine, we can use whatever methods seem to resonate with us...but I have discovered that becoming acquainted with and *feeling* the stages we use to get into the afterlife can be important. Also, paying attention to what we're *feeling* while in the afterlife, using the nonphysical senses, is just as important. In the beginning of exploring I subscribed to the, "if I can't see it I don't believe it" idea, and my progress was slow. But this is how we learn: by just doing it, going there, learning first hand.

I started in the late 80's with the TMI Gateway tapes and used those methods (but at that time I thought I had to go OOB to explore) but discovered two years ago that Bruce Moen's simple techniques worked much better for me. I spend less time now preparing to go into the afterlife and get much better results while there, including many afterlife experiences wherein I was able to get verifiable info to really prove to myself that all this was very real ( I was a major skeptic til I got irrefutible proof that even I couldn't somehow rationalize away!---LOL!).

There are a few basic steps I use to focus attention away from the physical to explore within. **And just a quick note here to Focus 15---when you attend Bruce's workshop soon he'll not only explain these steps (plus additional techniques) but guide you and the small group into them, several times as you experience afterlife journeys. I'm just a student of his and believe me, he's the teacher and a good one. What I'm describing here is a brief overview---at the workshop you'll get a much more in-depth idea and feel from him on these steps.**



3x3x3:

Step 1--Breathing for relaxation
Step2--Energy Boost from below the feet
Step 3--Energy Boost from above the head


{***-- 2 additional things I like to do that Bruce teaches-----Filling with love for better perception and
Placing Intent}

Step1---Sitting in a chair or lying down, I close my eyes and begin to gently breath in (let your inhale be normal but full) and as I feel my lungs fill I then gently roll that inhale into a gentle exhale (once again just exhale normally--no forceful breathing, just let each inhale be full and flow into an exhale and gently loop back again). I do this 3 times or as many times as needed so that when I *FEEL myself relax* (which is a slight phasing or shift of attention in itself) I then can move on to the next step.

Step 2---In this relaxed state, see or feel with your mind's eye a large pool of sparkling clean energy below you. As you begin to gently inhale, breathe in and see/*feel* this energy enter your feet and travel up through your body and out the top of your head. See a portion of it continue straight up and beyond..as you also see this energy curve out and down back to the pool below. Repeat this 3 times, cycling the energy back up through you and back down to the pool, or as many times as you want.

Step 3---Now see a large pool or body of sparkling energy above you. At the top of your head locate or feel a spot, perhaps where the center may be...and then as you inhale, breathe in and see/*feel* this energy enter that spot and travel down your body, exiting your feet, see a portion of this energy continue straight down and beyond...and see it also arcing back up to the pool above, to be cycled back down through your head and body and so forth. Repeat this 3 times or as many times as you feel is good for you. When I do this I choose to see the cycling energy as something similar to what fireworks sparklers look like when used at night, as if I am surrounded by  a ball of continuously moving energy. This is just my preference. What's important is what this does for us regarding gathering energy: it's a great boost.

***--I know there's been a lot of misunderstanding regarding the use of 'love' in afterlife exploration. I for one, years ago, literally got tired of the word because it was over used, misused perhaps. When Bruce talks about PUL---pure unconditional love---he's not saying to get emotional, sappy or sexual...and especially, he's not talking about intellectualizing it, or seeing love as a concept, nor as anything 'religious'. Experiencing emotions or other feelings can be the results OF accessing this energy. Bruce learned in the afterlife that unconditional love is a real energy/consciousness...quite possibly the energy/consciousness that we not only come from, but it's what we are, now. Being the kind of explorer that has to prove to herself through direct experiencing what is real or not, I have accessed this energy many times, not only to improve my perception for exploring, but to help others while There and even in my conscious physical daily life...and it's impossible to explain the experiencing of it: it's something that has to be directly experienced to KNOW what it really is. While in the afterlife I have unexpectedly been on the receiving end of this energy and it was without a doubt the most incredible knowing/feeling I've ever experienced.
How to access it is not difficult. This energy/consciousness is not exclusive: it does not belong to the 'spiritually advanced'...it belongs to all of us. And once again, FEELING it is the key.
Remember a time when you either felt love for someone or something, or a time when you felt loved by someone. Feel that love and hold it within you, let it build as you recall more moments or people you've loved or been loved by. Bruce recalls the love he felt for his newborn babies when he held them for the first time in the hospital. I always bring to me the love I have for my husband and two chihuahuas, as well as the love I felt from my mother. Whatever works for you---just FEEL this love and let it build up and remain within you. I could go on and on about the numerous benefits from accessing this energy, especially for afterlife retrieving and exploration, but it's something each person has to experience, to understand.

***-- When I was using the TMI Gateway tapes over 13 years ago, if I had known then what I know now about the placing of intent, I never would have spent so many hours hanging out in that inner 3D blackness--while using a tape---waiting for something to happen. I would get to a focus level and then just wait for someone or something to happen, having no idea that all I had to do was mentally state my desire---where I wanted to go, what I wanted to do. Now I know that placing intent is a simple thing to do. Actually we do it constantly and really never give it much thought.
What Bruce calls, The Little Finger Exercise: this is where I am now going to FEEL that place within where we actually place the intent for anything. I use this everytime I want to place the intent to explore because it works. As I remain relaxed, knowing I'm going to move, say, my index finger in a few seconds, as I approach that moment of actually moving my finger I first just feel and become acquainted with that area within where we make things happen. Some people 'see' color or perhaps an image, some just feel that inner place. At Bruce's workshop I 'saw' a soft orange color (why I don't know)...but most importantly, I became acquainted with what that area of consciousness *felt like to me*....and for me I seem to experienced a moment of nothingness--no imagery, no thinking--and I state my mental desire. That's what works for me. And so anyway, when you're there, move your finger. And then do it again but instead of moving your finger, place your intent (desire) on where you want to go in the afterlife, who you want to meet, etc. I must say here that I don't feel I'm explaining this step well....but I hope you guys can get the drift. There are times in the afterlife when I just relax and send out a mental statement.....place my intent. I hope I'm not making it seem more difficult than it actually is.

So this is pretty much what I do each time I want to move into the nonphysical.



My Focus 27 special place:
Two years ago while reading Bruce's first book, he descibed creating his own special place in F27. Since I was so anxious to get going with exploration (and especially since I discovered through his books that anyone could visit all the focus levels at anytime, and that OOBEs were cool but completely unnecessary to explore and retrieve), I decided that if he could create his own place, so could I. Once placing the intent to go to F27, I was then in that 3D blackness, just floating. At that time I was expecting to experience the nonphysical with our five physical senses, thus I basically 'saw' only blackness, but I decided to *trust* that my intent was the key in getting me there to Focus 27 (that Intent works everytime because it has to, whether we believe it or not). I then borrowed the image of a city park I had loved as a child, complete with pond, trees, a park bench, grass, sunshine....and just 'saw it there' in front of me. I then walked into it. I sat on the bench and felt the wooden slats on my butt. I felt the soft moist earth and grass between my toes. I looked at the sun twinkling between leaves and branches above. I sat and looked at the water, and then decided on what flowers I wanted and where. I played with different kinds, on that first visit as well as later. All I had to do to return to my park was to just place the intent to be there (and it really helps to recall the feel of the place too---this is another Bruce technique but I don't want to overload here). Thought, intent.. creates matter and all dimensions, physical and nonphysical.


Much love and happy trails,

Ginny

[Nick]

Ginny,

Thank you for posting that full explanation. It was very helpful and I had come across the phrase "placing of intent" but never absorbed what it meant until now.

quote:Once placing the intent to go to F27, I was then in that 3D blackness, just floating. At that time I was expecting to experience the nonphysical with our five physical senses, thus I basically 'saw' only blackness, but I decided to *trust* that my intent was the key in getting me there to Focus 27 (that Intent works everytime because it has to, whether we believe it or not). I then borrowed the image of a city park I had loved as a child, complete with pond, trees, a park bench, grass, sunshine....and just 'saw it there' in front of me. I then walked into it. I sat on the bench and felt the wooden slats on my butt. I felt the soft moist earth and grass between my toes. I looked at the sun twinkling between leaves and branches above. I sat and looked at the water, and then decided on what flowers I wanted and where. I played with different kinds, on that first visit as well as later. All I had to do to return to my park was to just place the intent to be there (and it really helps to recall the feel of the place too---this is another Bruce technique but I don't want to overload here). Thought, intent.. creates matter and all dimensions, physical and nonphysical.

There have been times lately when in Focus 12 and I'm getting swirling colors and such, when an image may appear. For example, once it was a city in the distance. Perhaps I should try placing intent as you've described to go to Focus 27.

In any event, I am drawn to the approach of doing this to help others, and am seriously also going to try to attend a Bruce Moen workshop. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply with such a comprehensive description.

Very best,

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Nick


In any event, I am drawn to the approach of doing this to help others, and am seriously also going to try to attend a Bruce Moen workshop. Again, thanks for taking the time to reply with such a comprehensive description.

Very best,

Hey Nick, you are welcome...and hope you get to a workshop. The amount of knowledge and 'how-to' he's able to cram into a weekend is truly enough to enable anyone to explore for a lifetime.

Take care and much love,

Ginny
....**cya in the afterlife**

[wonderboy]

Ginny,
    I've been quite curious regarding this Bruce Moen afterlife exploration. When you are 'there' in F27 (I'm a TMI gateway guy)
are you 'out of your body' fully immersed in the world like when
one projects into the RTZ or the astral? Or is it more of a vague
meditation like journey with conversations and the such and only fleeting images. The reason I'm confused is because everyone describes this Moen technique as the simpler method, but after 3x3x3 and the intent placing do you just sort of pop into F27? I imagine it has to be as fully immersed as a Monroe style phasing or a RTZ projection or it wouldn't even be worth discussing, but from the accounts that I've read from people it sounds less. . . tangible if you understand what I'm trying to get across.
Thanks,
Wonderboy

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by wonderboy





~I imagine it has to be as fully immersed as a Monroe style phasing or a RTZ projection or it wouldn't even be worth discussing, but from the accounts that I've read from people it sounds less. . . tangible if you understand what I'm trying to get across.~

Hi Wonderboy,

Um...you've kind of thrown me for a loop here, with the above. I just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly. Are you saying that any posts that don't involve fully immersed Monroe style phasing or RTZ projection aren't worth discussing...and if so, why?

BTW, I'm a TMI Gateway Gal from the late 80's.--:o)

Love,

Ginny

[wonderboy]

Hi Ginny,

> Are you saying that any posts that don't involve fully immersed >Monroe style phasing or RTZ projection aren't worth discussing...and >if so, why?

Well no, I guess it came out a little harsher than I originally intended. What I was really hoping to clarify for myself and I imagine countless other people who have run across the Moen techniques provided on this forum is how they differ than Monroe's or Bruce's or 'typical' OBE's.  (if there is such a thing)  I suppose it comes down to personal experience, while meditating recently I found myself conversing with someone and had the 'impression' I was walking through a forest. But, when I compared this altered state 'experience' or hypnagogic hallucination to my projections or countless lucid dreams I began to question what end of the spectrum it fell on. This is why I ask, you describe Om as wearing a white cotton robe and late 60's etc. etc. which made me wonder whether you were either 'there' (tmi style) or just a lot better at focusing your attention on this type of experience. My memories from my recent experience were vague at best, and the 'guy' I was talking to could only be described as a shadowy human sized biped. My most recent projection (this morning) was filled with vividness and vibrance that I woudn't want to miss out on and I would like to know if you get this now. So to answer your question, is it worth discussing? Yes, I just hope its cooler than what I experienced.

Thanks,
Wonderboy

[Greytraveller]

Hi Ginny []
Bit of a coincidence here 'cause wonderboy basically asked the same question that I was prepared to inquire about. I will word it differently to (hopefully) make it easier to answer.
Do you consider your experiences to be full out of body projections? If so, do you first project into the RTZ and proceed from there to a destination? Or are you able to travel/phase/project directly into the 'beyond ELS" region?[?]
Thanx in advance for any responses.

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by wonderboy

Hi Wonderboy and Greytraveller,

Sorry it took me a bit to get back with you. Life keeps getting in the way---(lol).

Bruce Moen teaches what he calls Focused Attention, centering on the idea that our ability to imagine, while in a relaxed but conscious state, is our ever present and readily available avenue to communicate with folks in the nonphysical as well as explore various areas of consciousness. He also teaches how to become aware of and utilize nonphysical senses while in the nonphysical and all that accompanies the mind's eye. It's not the Phasing that you guys do nor is it your classic OOBE.

Lemme backtrack for a second, perhaps to explain why I use Focused Attention.

I started experimenting with lucid dreaming, as well as OOBEs back in the late 80's. I was not just a reader of Carlos Castaneda, Monroe and Seth to name a few--I was a self designated student (lol). I've had many OOBEs through the years, all thrilling and 3D, just-like-being-in-the-physical, but only one was at will---oddly enough when I gave up and just decided to *pretend* to have one--:o). My hat is off to anyone who has learned to have them at will, but I just could never get the hang of it. Any kind of emotion, being surprised, even focusing in on any one thing, while OOB, always snapped me back to the physical so to speak.

Along comes Focused Attention, accessing the mind's eye and learning about intent, rotes, paying attention to thoughts, feelings, knowings, all which can be used to actually be in, and communicate with people in, the nonphysical. Everyone has this ability. I think the biggest problem comes from our beliefs: "it's so easy surely this is all fantasy". It normally doesn't involve utilizing senses that are physically identical with our five physical senses (although these have entered into some of my afterlife experiences but only seldom). Anyway, since I had wanted to participate in retrieving all along and since this seemed so easy, I wanted to be able to get proof I was really accessing the nonphysical and interacting with real people There. One way to get proof that Bruce teaches is to gather previously unknown information from a deceased person and validate that info later with a person in the physical known to the deceased. And when this happened, over and over...when the proof was undeniable, I knew I had found my avenue. There are various ways to be There, because I feel it's a matter of where and how well we're able to simply focus our Attention, or tune away from the physical and into the non--like changing radio channels. Whether we want to see a second astral body or feel we 'go out of' the body, whether we prefer phasing and experiencing with physical-like senses and all phasing offers, whether we remain conscious, relaxed and focus our attention within and utilize the mind's eye----to me it's all about Attention, and how we focus it. That's just how I see it, so far.

What happens with me is, while remaining conscious and after going through the simple relaxation and energy gathering Bruce teaches, I place the intent to be wherever I want to be. Exploring has taught me that we know more about Intent than we fully realize and that whatever my intention may be, *it has to be carried out or executed*. My beliefs, if to the contrary, could block me from actualizing this simple and continuous act of will that we all participate in constantly. But anyway, I quite often go to the 3D Blackness and from there do what Bruce teaches regarding how to use that Grand Central Station kinda place. If I want to visit, say, an area of Focus 27, I at times then feel/see within the mind's eye brief movement, things or locales flashing by. Lately I just instantly find myself There. I usually 'see' in color but not always. I may have a steady or continuous connection with my surroundings (what I mean is when say standing in a forest, the trees, shadows, the feel of decayed earth, moss, etc-- aren't vague or flickering in and out of my awareness--they remain steadfast as I follow through with a retrieval or exploration) and other times I just get glimpses, impressions...and I get knowing information about details, people there. I've come to rely on receiving and tossing back rotes so much that communicating and understanding my surroundings any other way would probably be slow and tedious for me. I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about: the knowing info that seems to be the mode of communication There--Monroe called his idea of it NVC (nonverbal communication). The last time I visited with Om at my Focus 27 place, the livingroom he was in was well lighted, I could see the furniture, windows, flooring, his clothing and countenance....but I've come to enjoy and pay attention to following the rapid or what seems like near instantaneous communication, exchange of knowing info that happens with him, so I just don't focus my attention on the props surrounding us.

I guess the best way to explain this is when we each participate in a really relaxed daydream, say, at work, about being on a beach somewhere in the South Pacific: you can 'see' the ocean, 'feel' the warm sand, 'smell' the salt and 'hear/see' seagulls above---nonphysical senses, mind's eye seeing, hearing etc. We know almost virtually nothing about what imagination really is, so we end up using only a tiny fraction of it to fantasize. But when you purposely go to or find yourself in an environment that you assume is just fantasy, and unexpected things start happening, deceased relatives or friends are suddenly present...and you feel a little funny but decide to follow along with what's happening anyway cause, what have you got to lose? And you remember to perhaps start asking questions, about things you have no prior knowledge of...and you get answers. This is where it all began for me---what Bruce teaches.

I gotta tell you guys...I'm the type that barrels into something and then has to later back away, spend time coming to understand and hopefully be able to describe where I've been or how I got there--:o). So, I'm not good at explaining some things well. I hope I've been able to answer your questions.

Happy Trails and love,

Ginny

[Greytraveller]

[]Appreciate that extensive reply Ginny. []
What you describe reinforces my belief that many states of consciousness partially overlap. (One expample is a Lucid Dream which is an event where the separate Lucid state and Dream state of consciousness overlap.)
It appears that Focused Attention is a state of consciousness that borders on meditation, hypnagogia, out of body experiences and clairvoyance and yet is Separate and Distinct from all of those. Very interesting.

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Greytraveller

[]Appreciate that extensive reply Ginny. []
What you describe reinforces my belief that many states of consciousness partially overlap. (One expample is a Lucid Dream which is an event where the separate Lucid state and Dream state of consciousness overlap.)
It appears that Focused Attention is a state of consciousness that borders on meditation, hypnagogia, out of body experiences and clairvoyance and yet is Separate and Distinct from all of those. Very interesting.

Greytraveller,

I agree, a lot of overlapping. To me it's all about the focusing of our Attention. The various ways it's accomplished is something to be shared, learned from and celebrated. I mean, aren't we all helping to possible ensure a future whereby the word 'death' will not even be in any dictionary?--:o)

Take care,

Ginny

[clandestino]

i also agree with greytravellers comment.

Just like to add one more thing - I think that there is a (mistaken) opinion held by many that says "well, if you can't see and hear and touch just as you can in the physical world, then it isn't an OBE".

This viewpoint makes a judgement that one type of experience is inferior to the other.

Personally I believe both are equally "valid".

As for the reasons why people distinguish between the two types....I reckon its due to the 3rd party's perception of the reality of the event.
e.g. Person A has a traditional OBE, floating out of the body, & what have you. It is easy for person A to describe the reality of the experience in familiar terms to the 3rd party.

Person B has a Moen-style OBE. Conveying the reality of the experience to a 3rd party, whilst at the same time pointing out that non-verbal communication / rotes are being used, might simply be a bit too much for people to accept. Not long ago people thought the earth was flat !

Keep the posts coming Ginny, they're excellent !!
mark

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

i also agree with greytravellers comment.

Just like to add one more thing - I think that there is a (mistaken) opinion held by many that says "well, if you can't see and hear and touch just as you can in the physical world, then it isn't an OBE".

This viewpoint makes a judgement that one type of experience is inferior to the other.

Personally I believe both are equally "valid".

As for the reasons why people distinguish between the two types....I reckon its due to the 3rd party's perception of the reality of the event.
e.g. Person A has a traditional OBE, floating out of the body, & what have you. It is easy for person A to describe the reality of the experience in familiar terms to the 3rd party.

Person B has a Moen-style OBE. Conveying the reality of the experience to a 3rd party, whilst at the same time pointing out that non-verbal communication / rotes are being used, might simply be a bit too much for people to accept. Not long ago people thought the earth was flat !

Keep the posts coming Ginny, they're excellent !!
mark

Mark,

Yes, absolutely. In the first eight months or so of using Focused Attention I held onto the belief that if I couldn't 'see' it (while in the nonphysical), I tended to discount or question what input I was receiving. It took some time for me to realize that our five physical senses are not the only means by which to know that something is 'real'.

And when I talk about rotes--receiving *knowing information*--it's not something exclusive to Focused Attention. Just my opinion but I feel we use this in the physical, as well as during OOBEs etc. Like, it's so common we don't take note of it half the time. Standing in a crowd and all of a sudden you can feel someone and you just *know* they're nearby...and you turn around and there they are. Suddenly knowing a certain person is about to call you on the phone and they do. Years ago, when I experienced my one and only conscious, at will, OOBE, by pretending to float up to the ceiling...and while I was just hanging out up there, I saw a whitish human form staring out a window and knew instantly it was my roommate, and that he was trying to decide whether to move out or not (which was news to me). I could briefly feel the turmoil he was going through, where he felt he wanted to move to, etc. And then I just felt/knew that my roommate became aware of the fact that I was aware of him and that I knew what he was thinking...and he, the whitish form, immediately left the window and stood for a second by his physical body, which was asleep on a couch, and proceeded to kind of roll into himself, as if to say he didn't want me knowing what he was mulling over so privacy meant being back in his body! His physical body then seemed to half wake up, groan, roll over and continue sleeping. Unfortunately, at that point, my surprise at what was happening zapped my consciousness back to my body. The next day I asked him if he remembered the encounter...if he was indeed thinking of moving and he was shocked I knew. When I explained what happened he was visibly shaken and promptly moved out (lol)! Seeing his out-of-body form, so to speak, was interesting....but the knowing info I received is what blew me away.

Thanks for your encouragement, Mark, and will continue to post.

Much love and exploration,

Ginny

[Tisha]

wow Ginny, thanks.

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

wow Ginny, thanks.

Thanks back Tisha---:o)

[Ginny]

Hi everyone,


After doing my 3X3X3 preparatory process and placing the intent to be at my treehouse in Focus 27, by recalling the feel of the place, I was then instantly standing out on the treehouse deck, aware of a few windchimes playing their music.

I sensed no one else around and decided to go inside, to the center of the house where the huge tree supporting the house passes up through the flooring and out and beyond a cathedral type glass ceiling. Birds, squirrels, butterflies and a variety of insects you'd expect to find living in a tree were busy enjoying themselves. A great deal of light was cascading down through the branches and leaves and I had an urge to climb up onto a favorite branch and allow the tree to balance out my energy. So, after doing that and thus feeling relaxed, refreshed and ready for some adventure, I moved into the adjoining livingroom and saw Om sitting before the fireplace.

As I sat next to him on the couch I could feel he already knew where I wanted to go, his now familiar kindness and humility all wrapped up in that brief smile of his. He indicated for me to watch the large fire in the fireplace in front of us and as I did I could feel him communicating how much as a child I had loved the colors of flames, wood turning into cadmium oranges, bright cherry reds...and for a moment I could hear the logs popping, hissing, shifting. Om's right shoulder touched my left, which I now understand to be a signal that we were about to blast off, so to speak (lol), and we were then suspended in and moving in blackness. I knew Om was escorting me beyond the ELS, to another locale one of our Disk members was/is experiencing and before I could give it more thought we were suddenly in a strange environment.

At first it appeared we were standing in a clearing within an ancient forest. I looked up to see what I guess were trees reaching up to a height much further than I've ever seen trees reach. They felt similar to 'trees' that I've experienced and yet they were different. In focusing down to the ground I had the impression their bottom branches were coming out of the soil as if they were half buried and struggling to break the surface. I had a brief feeling of what it must feel like to be a tiny bug in someone's garden or lawn. My attention was then drawn to several gold-white oblong shapes ahead, emerging from an area in deep shadow. I could feel they aware of us. I don't know if they were 'people' or entities but they were aware of us and I could feel they were not only curious but longing to meet. As I opened up to send a greeting and move toward them I was suddenly jetted straight up and away from the landscape. I could feel Om to my left and twice I expressed disappointment at being rushed out of the scene. He didn't offer an explanation.

We were then in a vast blackness, looking down at a massive, whitish rectangular structure slightly curved and I understood that somewhere within it was the landscape we had just left. Now Om was communicating and I was getting that in this vast area or wherever we were, there were no planets. He said what we were observing could be loosely associated with solid objects, such as planets and so forth in the universe I was familiar with, but in this 'universe' (somehow this word seems so limiting to how the area we were in felt but I have no other means at the moment to explain it) the idea of matter, in any kind of density, didn't exist. Matter, shapes, the concept of solidification...didn't exist. I said to him, "But the place we were just at was surely some kind of gathering of dense...energy or matter." He answered, "No. It was not. That was your interpretation of it." Since going on these jaunts with Om I've been getting better at accepting being thoroughly confused. As I was trying to absorb this he indicated we focus our attention somewhere else and I didn't even question it, just tagged along as it felt we were then observing something, or someone, else.

Not too far from us was a conglomerate of white-gold orbs or large balls, surrounded by a soft light which contrasted sharply with the immense blackness. Each orb seemed to be comprised of intense, sparkling light---so bright that they appeared to be creating shadows. I then felt a new presence to my immediate right and got that this was a Disk member familiar with this 'universe'. It/he/she was in full knowledge of why Om and I were there and seemed to be content with not offering much more than that. Oooookay.

I was fascinated with the orbs. Om communicated that they spent a great deal of their time creating...creating ideas. I asked if they were creating solid matter worlds and he said no. Just ideas. They didn't get involved with solid anything as I understand it to be. The orbs were just manifesting ideas. I had the feeling that they were existing within a high level of energy...or a state free from limits, a sense of immense intensity as they continuously shared 'ideas'. I'm sure there was much more to their world of 'creating ideas' than what I was able to perceive but that's all I was getting.

I'm not sure when but at some point the presence of the Disk member to my right left. I then experienced an overwhelming desire to want to know what it was like to be one of these orbs and understood from Om that I could do that, but I most likely wouldn't understand most of it. I immediately projected my attention right into the cloud of light and activity and felt suspended in softness. I consciously turned my mind off and just opened up. I could feel my surroundings, which in my mind's eye appeared to be like a whitish indirect light with quick flashings of opaque colors, begin to move around and eventually into me...and I was then in what I can only describe as a moment of Now: any sense of before or after and all thinking stopped. The only way I can describe it is I was for a moment suspended in a kind of nothingness that was loaded with life--if that makes any sense. Om was right: I just couldn't grasp what it was really like. My notion of nothingness was probably likened to a child trying to understand an ocean by feeling a single drop of water. But I came away with the feeling that their entire premise was one involving the creation of ideas that was at a level or in an area of consciousness that my pee-brain would not be able to interpret, much less misinterpret.

I was then back outside the orb cloud, flanked by Om and the other Disk member, intent on rerunning as much as possible through my mind to recall later. I was then getting the information I think from the guy to my right (the Disk member), which said in essence that he/she had orchestrated my brief orb experiment, and that he moved into and out of this area of consciousness at will, in full awareness of this world as well as it's connection with and existence within our Disk.

I was thinking about how the entire ELS was one grand idea and how all of us have chosen to experience 'ideas', when I understood that it was time for me to return. I thanked both of them as we were heading back and as I then felt myself moving even faster their presence was gone. For some reason I looked back and up and saw Om smiling a goodbye. I quickly tossed him a feeling of gratitude and then turned my attention to wanting to participate in a retrieval.

Well thanks for reading and much love to all,


Ginny