can drugs help?

[Nay]

No, they do not help...not in the long run.  

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

I agree completely.

Drugs would help actuall attainment of AP or OBE or even LD, however It is not suggested. The inner demons that naturally run in your system would take advantage, and when you do attain the said projection your "astral muscle/legs" are not devoloped enough to really do anything but float around. This leaves you wide open. Granted, the chance of anything finding you is slim to none, but it's a chance you don't want to take.

On top of that the eventual addiction of the drug might cause you to loose your original goal. You might forget about AP'ing for a while.

[Logic]

Many cultures and individuals have used drugs for spiritual purposes like, dream and astral travel, such as; the Mayans, Australlian Aboriginals, etc. which doesn't mean that its right for you.

The effects rely more on the individual than the actual drug, everyone reacts differently to different substances and you dont know until you try. You won't know if you are the kind of person who can use them safley and productivly, or at risk of injuring yourself or potentially others, for the most part, more people have "positive" experiences than not.

As for this inner demon stuff and egotistical stuff, shamans are living proof that people can have a symbiotic relationship with entheogenics for psychadelic learning experiences and proceed with spiritual growth.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

Many cultures and individuals have used drugs for spiritual purposes like, dream and astral travel, such as; the Mayans, Australlian Aboriginals, etc. which doesn't mean that its right for you.

The effects rely more on the individual than the actual drug, everyone reacts differently to different substances and you dont know until you try. You won't know if you are the kind of person who can use them safley and productivly, or at risk of injuring yourself or potentially others, for the most part, more people have "positive" experiences than not.

As for this inner demon stuff and egotistical stuff, shamans are living proof that people can have a symbiotic relationship with entheogenics for psychadelic learning experiences and proceed with spiritual growth.

My apalogies If I made it sound like all spirits are bad, they definitely are not, I am simply against the idea of using such powerfull drugs such as ridiline. I have seen the drug do nothing but bad things to people at my old school.

You do make several good points though Logic, drugs do affect people in different ways, however I would be carefull in experimenting weather it is for you or not. Addictions are very easy to get and very hard to get rid of.

I am not sure what you mean by "entheogenics for psychadelic" I am assuming you are reffering to a symboitic relationship with a spirit "guide" that seems "chaotic" in it's nature.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by oddjob1531

I have heard that drugs can help when it comes to APing. I was wondering if some heavy duty pain killers would help with the process of relaxation and if it would help you drift into the state of awareness any faster. I have trouble focusing, especially for long periods of time. Would Ridlin help that? I use ridlin, but I have never used it while trying to AP. I have not tried it with any drugs, and just want some input on what you guys (and girls) think about using drugs. I saw the post about Marijuanna, but will any other drugs work? I know APing is natural, and that drugs may interfeir, but any input would be great, neg. or pos.

I wouldn't take ridlin or anyother pain killer. Nor any other
synthetic drug. Hmm.. Actually I wouldn't take ANY DRUG for the purpose of trying to gain AP skills. It is best learned the natural
way. I would only use some naturally occurring psychedelics for OTHER uses. There is no 'easy' way to learn all this since you have to do it yourself, no one can do it for you, sorry []

When using drugs I recommend you look a bit into the ritualistic use of them in native tribes. Since it is best to take them with great
respect or you can get f****d...

[gopherboy455]

hey oddjob im the one that did the post on pot, i also did a post on salvia. you bet ur butt drugs help astral projection. not all of them though. ive found the best combination is some pot and some salvia. try smoking some and meditating, ullfind such sucess. also try some savia, salvia by itslelf isnt so great but pot and salvia will leave u speachless the next day. give that a ttry and let me know how it worked out, also painkillers they are ok to achieve relaxation, but on pot and salvia relaxation is already attained, u could be laying on glass and still get a relaxation.

[Logic]

entheogenics are usually a better choice (natural "drugs"), opposed to something synthesized or constructed in a lab.

[oddjob1531]

well, i have heard some great agruements. i will have to experiment a little bit, and want to let everyone know that i use ridalin in a controlled enviornment, and is given to me by my docter under his order. i do not abuse it like some of you may think. i just wanted a little input on what your thoughts were on using drugs to help APing. Thanks Gopherboy for the funny post [] and thanks for the input. From what i can get, drugs work for some, and to others, the only way to AP is on your own. I will get better at it and hopefully be on my way to a colorful new world.

[shedt]

Well, its your choice what you do. and everyone is effected differently. And ! You you are living in this moment now, this is your reality (for yourself). It's your choice to do drugs. Ridalin has to be the worst drug I have ever taken. I used to abuse it when i was in high school. it is a horrible adictive drug, that harms many different parts of your body, from your nervous system to your liver. it's also a really bad drug to abuse mentally and emotionally.

using drugs to AP ? this is a tricky disscusion. Many people whom would say no have not even tried these drugs socially, or for experiements, lest say for any metapyshical purpose.

As well, in America it is socially and politically incorrect, and against the law. This effects how people view certain lifestyles and choices.

Like Logic said, drugs have been used for along time for spiritual reasons, more then likely since the begining of humankind itself.

its your choice to make the decision, and have it to be a informed one.

and there is also a big fine line from recreational drug use to a spiritaul one. but the line is there for you to take advantage and cross !

everyone has the choice to rise above, and to choose which tools that they will use...

in the end.......................

[oddjob1531]

I have heard that drugs can help when it comes to APing. I was wondering if some heavy duty pain killers would help with the process of relaxation and if it would help you drift into the state of awareness any faster. I have trouble focusing, especially for long periods of time. Would Ridlin help that? I use ridlin, but I have never used it while trying to AP. I have not tried it with any drugs, and just want some input on what you guys (and girls) think about using drugs. I saw the post about Marijuanna, but will any other drugs work? I know APing is natural, and that drugs may interfeir, but any input would be great, neg. or pos.