Awake -> F2

[RooJ]

I know this topic has came up a few times before, but this is the stage causing me most problems. If possible i want to know others findings on this:

Recently ive been exploring the stages building up to F2 (or sleep) in hopes of finding an easier way to phase. The stages for me seem to be:

Laying awake - usually thinking about things conciously

Hypnogogia stage1 - a light hypnogogia, i usually hear the odd sound and see colours and blobs of light aswell as the occasional face etc.

Hypnogogia stage2 - after a certain amount of time in stage1 i find i get much stronger and clearer images that last a few seconds before switching like a slideshow.

Usually if i stay too long in stage2 i lose conciousness for a small amount of time. When i come back round I feel really groggy/tired and usually give up practice for sleep.

My guess is that stage2 in the above list is the gateway to phasing (at least for me).. Also does anyone have any good idea's on what methods i could use once at this stage. I manage to get there every night but havn't found a way of taking advantage of this , Ive had a few close calls but nothing more.

Thanks for your patience

>RooJ

[Ben K]

mental rundown

noticing exercise

ROPE

etc etc just use search

[wizzle3]

may i ask Rooj,
at which state does your heart chakra seem to go nuts

and whens the good time to stop concentrating on being still and going deep into brainwave modes , like theta etc, and move to imagination exercises to reach projection?

after the vibrations?

[RooJ]

To be honest, ive never really been interested in the whole chakra thing, and maybe because of that i dont usually feel it.
Ive had increases in heartbeat, usually due to seeing really cool imagery and thinking i was on the verge of phasing.
Once i get deep enough into hypnogogia, when im seeing really clear images, then i move to trying to enter them(usually any deeper and im asleep). The only vibrations ive had happened in the later more clearer stages of hypnogogia.

Hope this helps

>RooJ

[knightlight]

Argh RooJ cant help you out on this one pal.  I have the same process (minus sounds, I rarely hear sounds, maybe once every 2 months)  and then I wink out and come back in phased and going          

[RooJ]

Yeah i suppose everyone has to find there own way, I feel im definitely making some progress though. During my last attempt a few hours ago i became frustrated at the way the images were appearing 2d, (i was in later hypnogogic stages, so with some creative power) I imagined falling through a cuboid shaped tunnel, each side being made out of a large elongated TV screen. This worked, and at first all 4 had different random images on, but very quickly all the images syncronized and became one large image between them. The image was of grass, and quickly the connections between the screens dissapeared and for a split second i was free falling headfirst towards the ground no longer in a cuboid tunnel but actually falling. This made me jolt awake .
Only a few minutes after the above happened, i was viewing images of a dark room. As i watched, the room began to darken more as i became engrossed in it and my mind shut out the light from the window of the room i was trying to phase in. Once again on realising that i was starting to shut the real world out and enter the image i quickly snapped out of it.

At least i know what i need to work on eh.

>RooJ

[wizzle3]

rooj is that heartbeat towards the center of your chest



if so, your realy heart is probably slightley increasing


because when i try to project my heart chakra (beats in the center, not to the left)
goes intensly, and i can tell its not my heart


because it goes very very fast



you should read up on chakra's, learn how to cleans and center them

they will help, i know you get farther than me probably but try my advice it might help you

get to know your chakras i find it very important, but everyones different right



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so basically rooj, do you focus on your visuals and get them to intensify while staying aware? as they get more and more vivid and realistic,

eventually getting to a state where your imagination is so great where you can acually leave, through imagination/projection? something along there?

i wanna get others techniques down thanks

[RooJ]

Not sure on the location of beating, i tend to ignore it in most cases as to me it seems counter-productive, i associate it with losing the experience due to excitement . Thanks for the advice however, depending on my progress I may look into chakra's in the future, but for now im approaching it from a slightly different angle.

Yeah, your view of how im currently going about it seems right. Im basically allowing myself to go through the normal processes before sleep but remaining aware. Eventually when im at the stage of images being very vivid ill go about experimenting and trying to enter them. Looking back over some of my bookmarked posts (before phasing had really kicked in) it seems alot of people where already having these experiences. Interesting thing is ive been reading alot about how people "willed themselves in", or how they took hold of an object in the image and just pulled themselves in. Just means my "to try" list is getting bigger .

>RooJ

[wizzle3]

yea cause i usually feal im going towards the images


thats a good idea thanks, i feal that will work

[mactombs]

Argh RooJ cant help you out on this one pal. I have the same process (minus sounds, I rarely hear sounds, maybe once every 2 months) and then I wink out and come back in phased and going

Yeah, the "wink" is very common. Basically, you lose it for a second and then you're out (or in). If you're trying to be in control, this is another time when you might be sticking your foot in the works trying to stay aware when you just need to go with it.

I think of it kind of like a click or a button being pressed on a piece of hardware. Might not be a good analogy ...

Anyway, it sounds like you're having fun, knightlight. Keep it up.