Split Bodies. Physical/Astral awareness.

[Shifter]

I've been trying to astral project for a total of one week now. I'm fairly new to all of it. But the more I read up on the idea of phasing and the other focus areas, I can't help but feel a sense of familiarity. As if I've done it before...consciously. I had this thing I could always do with my mind. I enjoyed the feeling of it and did it quite often, but was always scared and ended the effect rather soon afterward, let me explain.

I could be sitting down, laying down, or standing. I would become still and pick a point of focus, an area of wall most of the time and simply gaze (I was always able to visualize better with my eyes open). Then I would think over and over again the following statement. "What if I wasn't here." Or something similar. As I repeated the thought, I imagine myself slowly receding from the world.

EDIT: I also thought of the idea that the world and everything I know is just a temporary state of mind, like the world has already ended and I'm just a figment of some sort, This helped the disconnect that I sought for.

When I attained the state of mind that "I'm not here." It's like my mind is somewhere else. I get a sense that it's more up yet here at the same time. Everything would look the same, but feels different. I could look at a TV, a mirror, my favorite game, anything and know what it was, but at the same time have no actual concept of it. It's hard to explain. This is when I freak out, and try to bring my mind back. When it comes back, I sort of feel the MEANING to objects again.

When I was younger, I did it to show my brother, hopefully so he could do it too. But then when I entered the state, I couldn't willingly exit it. So I ran around the house freaked out because everything felt different. But as soon as I freaked out, my mind came back.


Does anyone know exactly what this is? Even right now, I'm channeling that same thought/feeling, and sense everything in my sight sort of fading in transparent blots. Was I entering another focus or body, and at the same time staying in my physical?
It would explain a lot, and I've spent YEARS of my life, wondering what it was. Could this be it?

[indian]

If you had told this to any enlightened master, he would have told that you are on the path of enlightenment, where you simply become an awareness (consciousness). This is you, real you.

What we do in phasing is to get that state by making our body sleep. One in a thousand manage to get this state using meditation that is why those who look for a "Quick" solution using meditations feel helpless.

Do not get scared, enjoy this. You can phase very easily, I know.

What we do in phasing is, try to become the awareness (total consciousness). Since our mind is so active that is why we need to make this body asleep. If you can manage this without any "Mind awake body asleep" method, congratulations.

[wakey]

no! this is not real you! and it is not going to lead you to the enlightenment! beleive me. I had to exprience it for last month every single day! And I couldn't get back from this state! It is horrible. It is exatly how you described it- you can see everything as you always could, but no object has a meaning, everything kind of fades, you are here, but you are not in the same time.... And it freaked me out every single day, because I couldn't get back!

Only way I can escape it, is when I become calm, when I am in peace with everything, then I don't feel it anymore and I am feeling the same joy and fulfilment of all the objects around as I did before...
Please dont practise this. Life is not worth it!

[Psilibus]

Phasing IS a meditation. 

[Shifter]

Now I'm just confused. I'd like to believe that it is some sort of consciousness. I have to admit it is freaky but then again, what isn't? There are just some things we're not used to right?

Wakey, it makes me feel so much better that I'm not the only person who can do it. I've tried to explain it so many times to people. But do you think it's possible your just not accepting the feeling or somehow causing it to become a terrible experience.

Because as funny as it feels, it doesn't come across as a negative feeling at all..just weird and detached. But at the same time, I feel a sense of some sort as if I'm in a higher place. I'm going to try and enter this state and try to sustain it and see what happens. I'll let you guys know what happens.

[Xanth]

no! this is not real you! and it is not going to lead you to the enlightenment! beleive me. I had to exprience it for last month every single day! And I couldn't get back from this state! It is horrible. It is exatly how you described it- you can see everything as you always could, but no object has a meaning, everything kind of fades, you are here, but you are not in the same time.... And it freaked me out every single day, because I couldn't get back!

Only way I can escape it, is when I become calm, when I am in peace with everything, then I don't feel it anymore and I am feeling the same joy and fulfilment of all the objects around as I did before...
Please dont practise this. Life is not worth it!

Could you please clarify exactly what you're trying to say here?
What exactly is he doing that you feel is so wrong?

~Ryan

[indian]

Now I'm just confused. I'd like to believe that it is some sort of consciousness.

People are going to make you more confuse. This sort of question is not supposed to ask in a public forum. You need a master.

I knew that someone gonna post some sort of freaky reply here and I was right.

I don't think anyone here will be able to answer it. If you want to discuss it privately, let me know and I will give you references to move further.

[Selea]

no! this is not real you! and it is not going to lead you to the enlightenment! beleive me. I had to exprience it for last month every single day! And I couldn't get back from this state! It is horrible. It is exatly how you described it- you can see everything as you always could, but no object has a meaning, everything kind of fades, you are here, but you are not in the same time.... And it freaked me out every single day, because I couldn't get back!

This doesn't mean that it's a bad experience per se, only you weren't ready.

The problem is that what you think is "you" is about to dissolve. In esoteric terms it is the experience of the "abyss".

However know this: maybe you have done well to withdrawn. If you are not really ready for this very impactful experience it is better not to try to cross over. Trying to do so with an ego intact brings about a lot of troubles.

Still it's not possible to talk about these things truly in a forum. You will have to be sufficed by symbols or what it seems void words or worse yet, enigmas.

[Selea]

People are going to make you more confuse. This sort of question is not supposed to ask in a public forum. You need a master.

While a "master" can phsycologically help, these states are only to be experienced and affronted by the individual. In reality one should not try to go on until one has the experience known as the "knowledge of his guardian angel" (whatever that means). That is the only guide one needs, the rest is in reality useless.

While you can call up the state with other means, or it can arise by itself the thing must never been approached lightly. It is the duty of the individual to known if s/he is ready or not and accept whatever may come.

In any case it's not a walk in the park, no need to lie. However nothing is, neither a "real" walk in the park.

[wakey]

Yes, it does kind of feel like you are higher, like you are aware of something that others are not aware of.

But this awareness does not make you feel happier or more fulfilled, it does the exact opposite. When I am in this state, I want to get back, because I don't feel joy of life anymore, even if I am happy while in this state, my body feels this happines, not me...

Once, when I was in this state, and I meditated to peace, I felt this joy, that I have felt only once in my life with the same meditation- even this joy wasn't the same, it kind of was fulfilling as in the first time, but there was something missing... and although I was so happy and in joy and bliss, there still was missing this thing... this thing, like yourself... Yea some may say that it is what this whole thing is about, to connect to the nature and to the energy and become one and stuff like that... but it is supposed to feel good, like nothing is missing, when you do spiritual work, you feel more fullfilled as a being, not just your body...

I guess, the reason why this feels so uncomfortable is because you lose your identity, you are not happy, you become aware that you do everything automatically as a robot and life doesn't give you any joy of simply being here and now... I would say that your awareness shortens not expands although it feels like you are more aware of the situation than others...

[Shifter]

Yes, it does kind of feel like you are higher, like you are aware of something that others are not aware of.

But this awareness does not make you feel happier or more fulfilled, it does the exact opposite. When I am in this state, I want to get back, because I don't feel joy of life anymore, even if I am happy while in this state, my body feels this happines, not me...

Once, when I was in this state, and I meditated to peace, I felt this joy, that I have felt only once in my life with the same meditation- even this joy wasn't the same, it kind of was fulfilling as in the first time, but there was something missing... and although I was so happy and in joy and bliss, there still was missing this thing... this thing, like yourself... Yea some may say that it is what this whole thing is about, to connect to the nature and to the energy and become one and stuff like that... but it is supposed to feel good, like nothing is missing, when you do spiritual work, you feel more fullfilled as a being, not just your body...

I guess, the reason why this feels so uncomfortable is because you lose your identity, you are not happy, you become aware that you do everything automatically as a robot and life doesn't give you any joy of simply being here and now... I would say that your awareness shortens not expands although it feels like you are more aware of the situation than others...

And this is exactly how it feels. But I think that me and you see it differently. I guess at the end of the day, it all comes down to who the individual is. I'm still quite unsure of what it is, but I haven't actually done it in a while, but feel I can access that feeling more easily for some reason. I feel like all these years I've been learning of this state of mind to enter it now, whatever that means. Like my mind was getting used to switching to it or something.

[wakey]

you know, for that moment, when i felt joy and bliss while in that state... I believed that I will reach enlightenment at that very moment, because it felt like, well, hard to explain it, complete peace of everything that there is.... even for this awkward feeling I felt peace and it felt like it's just the way it should be at that very moment.... but then again, it didn't last for too long...

a day before, I had this astral projection (I was even in that state while a sleep) the one that I described in this very forum, where I couldn't get back in my body... that happened because I thought that someone will take my body- I thought so, because of this state, how it made me feel, it made me feel like a robot, like I do everything automatically and because of that I started to think that maybe my consciousness is getting shorter and shorter and that something bad can happen... these were the most awful days of my life. Anyways, I couldn't sleep all night, worrying that someone will take my body or my consciousness will dissapear... and astral projection happened... and then I couldn't get back in my body for a while and actually thought for a second that I am dead... but as you can see I am back and I know that the only thing that was holding me back from my body was my fear.
So later I learned to accept this and not to be afraid... during the day I watched all sorts of videos on youtube about spiritual path and enlightenment and during one of them i meditated and had that experience...

I don't know mate.... that feeling to me doesn't seem very pleasant at all, I guess because of my false believes and fear...

[Xanth]

wakey,

Congratulations for overcoming your fears.
In my opinion, fear really is the #1 thing that holds people back from Projecting.

~Ryan

[Psilibus]

Just tossing this out. The original poster sounded like he had a dissociative episode, derealization.

Don't be "not here". Wherever you go, there you are. You will never be a "figment".

Alot of talk about fear goin on.

"All our times have come,
Here, but now there, gone,
Seasons don't fear the Reaper,
Nor do the Wind, the Sun or the Rain
(we can be like they are)" - BOC

[Shifter]

Just tossing this out. The original poster sounded like he had a dissociative episode, derealization.

Yes that's it.

Whenever I seek this feeling I seem to imagine EVERYTHING (the earth, the room I'm in, My body, etc..) does NOT exist. As if everything God created is only in my head. If I had to give it a name I'd name it "Twilight Zone Effect" or something similar.

As for WHERE I go, I'm not really sure. I just know it's not physical or has any relation to the physical. Still stumped.

[bluvisnu]

Hahaha !!! The answers on this forum are like coming from a sick mind, you ll never get any answers here, someone tells you something and then someone else tells you something else exactly like when you listen to the mind ... For the people full of fear i say forums are dangerous !!!

[Psilibus]

Hahaha !!! The answers on this forum are like coming from a sick mind, you ll never get any answers here, someone tells you something and then someone else tells you something else exactly like when you listen to the mind ... For the people full of fear i say forums are dangerous !!!

Uhhh, duh, yeah, whatever. I get what your saying, NOT. Sorry but your post is not helpful in the least so what are you complaining about?