new? idea on the "soul" from scratch...

[Cincy_Joe]

I was wondering, with me being a computer programmer and thinking more about programming psi-energy to do, well, whatever, An idea hit me about how the soul comes into it's own.

It all starts that the astral plane is a thought affected layer, I know this first hand(300+ times). Not as crisp and sharp as the mental planes though (been there a little too).

Whenever we produce a consious or subconsious thought it projects itself on the astral layer and becomes more of what we are.

I read somewhere that psi-balls can become (given enough time and skilled programming) self-aware and sentient and their own entity. This happens on the astral as well as it records thought produced by the psi-ball.

Now, starting out as a Fetus, we humans dont quite have consiousness or self-awareness. Sure some people claim to remember being in the womb, but thats when the fetus is about 6 months+ along. Maybe the soul doesnt always come the moment the sperm hits the egg, rather it develops over time to become it's own independant enitity attached to the phyisical form it has grown from.

I hope I am making this as clear as possible. If not ask away. For those who understand what my idea is, has someone else came forward with the same theory? If so please redirect me to thier works so I can take a look-see.

Thanx-

[Stookie]

The theory seems based on the idea that a person can create self-aware, sentient "psi-ball". I believe you could create a thought-form that seems to be a real being, but was just created to seem that way. But to create a "real" thinking being... it's hard to wrap my mind around.

[Cincy_Joe]

I was just using an example as a reference. I also forgot to mention that I was thinking that from the time when our brain is wired and ready to go even inside the womb, it produces some thought. though not concious or aware thought, it still happens on an unconsious level to regulate and control bodily funtions.

As the brain develops and time progresses the more complex our thoughts become and it'll get to the point when maybe a 3-6 months after birth our thought process goes from being "program-like" to "chaotic-soul-like" and thats when we become a true thought entity on the astral, or a soul if you will. and it just goes on from there gaining experience and whatnot.

This may happen the same way with our other supposed bodies(mental, spirital, astral, physical, emotional, and a few others I read) as well".

Sure, re-incarnation of a developed soul can be attached soon after conception, but if that were the case always then there would still be only maybe a handfull of people around to have bodies to get access to souls from the gulf.

[MisterJingo]

I'm open to the idea that the universe has the potential for consciousness, but that potential is only met in complex structures such as the brain - and so while death might bring oblivion to the individual, the next brain generated will meet the same potential, and so in the cries of another newborn, consciousness will look out over the universe once more.
I've seen too many journals and reports about area specific brain injury causing dramatic changes to a person's personality, sometimes to the extent that such people commit pretty horrendous crimes, or cannot control themselves in socially acceptable ways any longer.
For all we know, people we meet whilst OBE, including those who have passed on, are simply the remnants of people's memories of such people echoing in the mental spaces created by the billions of living minds.

[Cincy_Joe]

though its true that some "ghosts" that linger here close to our plane (physical) are just playing back the actions of the individual over and over, and some others with a measure of interactibility, the idea that all people who died and are left on the astral to interact are all just faded memories of themselves seems shortsighted.

Everytime we goto sleep we all enter into a low-level astral state for dreaming and psychic balancing. Could it be said that we "die" when we sleep and only wake up because our bodies are still "working"? Sure, I can go along with that. Like those who were asleep when an earthquake hit in india a while back and they never woke up. Their astral bodies severed the connection to the physical and moved on. I'm sure some of those "souls" never even knew they died living in their own reality moving along growing and interacting.

As long as a disembodied astral person can still think, grow, understand, and adapt I would consider them far more than faded memories on the astral who are just playing out a part in a repeating "movie".

[MisterJingo]

though its true that some "ghosts" that linger here close to our plane (physical) are just playing back the actions of the individual over and over, and some others with a measure of interactibility, the idea that all people who died and are left on the astral to interact are all just faded memories of themselves seems shortsighted.

But this viewpoint is coming from one ingrained in the standard view of the astral state. If we take a fresh look at the concepts such as ghosts, physical planes, astral locales etc they are all remnants of dogma from an age when man viewed the weird through superstitious eyes, translating phenomena from outside of their sphere of knowledge as 'super natural'.
Your first post seemed to be questioning the tenants of accepted astral philosophies, but now I see you were simply switching around a few ideas of an ingrained belief.
My first point concerned the fact that we don't know what consciousness is, we don't know what free will or self awareness is (we just presumed to have it), and yet, we suppose fantastical ideas on this non-understanding.
As a crude example, brains can produce multiple personalities (as can be seen with people suffering from such multiple personality disorders), and brains filter and generate our perception of the entire universe. Please note that I am not saying brains actually create it, or even consciousness, I'm pointing out that they can do amazing things. So if they can support multiple personalities on the surface mind, and entire worlds and universe in the sub-conscious levels, it's not hard to imagine that whatever mechanisms 'might' produce self awareness might also easily animate an emotional shell of memories into seemingly autonomous and sentient being. At our core, we are experiences and memories built upon this conscious shell.
If somehow minds are connected, then this vast power house could easily maintain all the dead.
This might sound ludicrous, but no more so than the other philosophies which only have belief as their foundation too.

Everytime we goto sleep we all enter into a low-level astral state for dreaming and psychic balancing. Could it be said that we "die" when we sleep and only wake up because our bodies are still "working"? Sure, I can go along with that. Like those who were asleep when an earthquake hit in india a while back and they never woke up. Their astral bodies severed the connection to the physical and moved on. I'm sure some of those "souls" never even knew they died living in their own reality moving along growing and interacting.

As long as a disembodied astral person can still think, grow, understand, and adapt I would consider them far more than faded memories on the astral who are just playing out a part in a repeating "movie".

One again, the above is viewing my comments from a position ingrained in a belief system – discovery comes from challenging our beliefs, not judging other ideas from the comfort of our own. I was supposing that we might not survive physical death, that the engine of consciousness is the same in every sentient being, fuelled by a brain built in a universe with conscious potential. The only differentiating factor being experiences built from different vantage points and genetic predispositions.

NB these are ideas to be explored, not necessary statements of fact – such as all astral philosophies .

[MisterJingo]

Just wanted to add that the above isn't meant in any negative manner, more a friendly exchange of ideas - trying to clarify where I was coming from with my first post .