Causal Projection

Job · May 22, 2006, 01:05:44

This is a simple form of meditation by which it is possible to enter the Causal Plane.

1. Lay down in preparation for sleep.

2. Mentally imagine saying the vowel O, continuously prolonging it.

3. Imagine that for what feels about at least an hour or however long it takes to fall asleep.

The technique is very simple, but it is a very effective method for getting to the Causal plane. By falling asleep consciously we enter the astral plane. By falling asleep with a completely silent mind (perfect concentration) we enter the Causal plane.

-E- · May 22, 2006, 15:52:36

what exactly is the causal plane, and what are its differences/ similarities to the astral plane?

Astral Projection · May 22, 2006, 20:26:18

never heard for causal plane...

mactombs · May 23, 2006, 00:20:06

Are you sure you don't mean the casual plane? Isn't that were the leading fashion designers pull their ideas for the summer wardrobe?

Also, I feel that emptying the mind only reduces your wits - especially after an hour of saying O (or is that your sanity it reduces?). You might have profound experiences, but they won't be clear, and you won't be able to relate them very well. I think that's why dreams are so jumbled.

Job · May 23, 2006, 02:00:29

No, I mean the Causal plane. The vital plane is in the 4th dimension (also known as time). The astral plane is in the 5th dimension (known as eternity). The Causal plane is in the sixth dimension (known as cause).

Going to the Causal plane things might appear more substantial than experiences in the physical world. I've been there, and things have been clear (as clear as my most heightened level of consciousness in the physical world).

Astral experiences might be unclear because there are the various thoughts which interrupt the conscious functioning. In the Causal plane the various interferences are temporarily gone. The key of the prolonged vowel (a form of meditation) is to bring about 100% concentration and mental performance (to short-circuit random thoughts). This doesn't have the effect of reducing the wits, only temporarily sharpening them.

Novice · May 23, 2006, 07:59:02

Job is correct. In some philosophies there is a causal plane, although I've never heard of the vital plane before. This gets back to terminology and trying to categorize the 'places'/levels of awareness beyond the physical. Some schools break it down into only 3 levels. Others profess 7 planes (with atmic and buddhic being among the highest). Others say its 7 planes with each plane having 7 stratas, and so on.

From what I know of the causal plane, it is a vibratory state higher than the astral plane. While I'm not an expert, I believe that the Causal plane would be in the area Frank called Focus 4.

-E- · May 23, 2006, 09:11:40

But i thought the Astral was what Frank called Focus 10?

kiwibonga · May 23, 2006, 09:32:24

Frank's model doesn't go up to 10, but Monroe's does...

I don't think Focuses of consciousness should be linked to specific planes though... They are different measurements for different things...

mactombs · May 23, 2006, 12:10:26

No, in Frank's model, the way Job describes the causal "I've been there, and things have been clear (as clear as my most heightened level of consciousness in the physical world)." - it sounds like Frank's FoC3.

QuoteThe key of the prolonged vowel (a form of meditation) is to bring about 100% concentration and mental performance (to short-circuit random thoughts). This doesn't have the effect of reducing the wits, only temporarily sharpening them.

Makes sense. I still think I'd go crazy trying to focus on the sound of a vowel for an hour, though. That's not easy at all. I find that once my mind clears, if only for a moment, I hear voices and conversations. If I pay attention to those, it's the same as getting lost in my own inner babbling.

I'm trying to find the ADHD's way to mental clarity ...

I know it's not fashionable on these forums to believe in such things, but even if you think of ADHD as a grouping of symptoms which occur most of the time (everyone has some of the symptoms some of the time) ... Anyway, I think the clue is not sensory deprivation, but sensory overload. Watch 3 TVs at once, plus play a video game and listen to music while simultaneously doing progressive relaxation exercises. Much easier for me than focusing on one vowel ...

Nay · May 23, 2006, 12:22:49

LOL! And we wonder why people are confused. So many different tags and titles. If I worried about focus this and that, I'd never be able to get anywhere.

My advice. Stop worrying about where to go and just allow it to happen without dissecting it to death.

greatoutdoors · May 23, 2006, 14:31:09

Nay, well said!

-E- · May 23, 2006, 17:48:47

oop crap, sorry i meant monroe.

good point Nay.

Job · May 24, 2006, 03:42:27

It sounds really simple, but it really can help with obtaining mental oneness. It's works almost like a mantra. Though, I've tried saying mantras for hours and still haven't been able to bring about complete mental tranquility. This is a good method because it's continuous.

Novice · May 24, 2006, 08:19:41

mactombs-

I think there may be some confusion regarding level of consciousness and vibratory state. This is purely my opnion, but from my experience, I can be 100% aware and be in the astral/Focus 10/F2-3 whatever you decide to call it. I've only reached the focus 4 that Frank described a couple of times. Its completely different from my experiences in the lower planes. I think the heighest attainable awareness is one definate requirement for this level/plane; but only one of several. I think that one can reach that level of awareness and still not be in higher level/plane. There is more to it than that just 100% awareness. But I couldn't tell you what else there is as my experiences there are brief and limited.

Nay-
Couldn't agree more. I think the more people try and label/categorize/group things, the more obstacles they experience. I've noticed that when I start thinking/analyzing what I'm experiencing I tend to lose it. But when I simply allow it to occur and be aware of what is happening without trying to think or watch it, the experience not only lasts longer but becomes much more ....... deeper....profound....intense ?? (those aren't the words I'm looking for but not quite sure how to describe it).

Job · May 25, 2006, 01:52:27

It's possible to achieve that 100% consciousness in a lower plane; but whenever sleep is achieved with that, the result is the causal plane. The reason for this has something to do with that at the moment of 100% consciousness we are detached from certain mental forms (which generate the random thoughts while falling asleep and cause the hallucinations, vague, and surreal experiences which occur in the astral).

Novice · May 25, 2006, 08:16:51

QuoteIt's possible to achieve that 100% consciousness in a lower plane; but whenever sleep is achieved with that, the result is the causal plane.

I understand what you are saying Job, but I'm not necessarily sure that I agree with that. I do agree that reality fluxuations, mental wanderings, etc are all a result of a lower level awareness (below 100%). And I've experienced a wide range of awareness levels over the years. My ability to reach 100% awareness, however, represents a very small percentage (like 1-2%).

Most of my experiences occur during sleep, or rather waking up and going back to sleep/projecting. From my experience, I think 100% awareness needs to be coupled with a certain vibratory range in order to reach the causal plane, regardless of whether you get there in sleep or not. And many people can be 100% aware and not be in that vibratory range. I think this is where you and I differ on opinions.

As I mentioned previously, I've only reached this level a few times, not nearly enough to make any informed decision one way or the other. But I've been in the various astral/F2-3/Focus 10-27 areas enough to realize that perceived movement (shifting from one area/plane to another) is definately a combination of awareness and concentration/will.

And for me, the vibration level you reach is definately associated with the thought/object of your concentration. You tend to take on the vibration of whatever you are thinking of, such that you can shift around to the objects/places/people by focusing completely on them. This changes your vibration to match theirs such that you can go wherever they are. Your ability to remain 100% aware and focused allows for you to observe/experience what they experience/see by not influencing it at all with your thoughts.

Its for these reasons that I believe the process to reach the causal plane is similar. If you do not reach the necessary vibratory rate where this plane exists, you will not reach this plane regardless of your awareness level.

Again I could be wrong, I am merely going with what my experiences have proven to me. But I will try and test your theory out the next time I reach 100% awareness -- but don't look for an immediate reply on that one!

I don't reach that level very often!

HaoAsakura · May 22, 2011, 02:43:53

The Causal is indeed the F4 I am almost sure of it. It has basically the exact same description.

Tee1234 · May 22, 2011, 03:36:39

Quote from: Job on May 22, 2006, 01:05:44
This is a simple form of meditation by which it is possible to enter the Causal Plane.

1. Lay down in preparation for sleep.

2. Mentally imagine saying the vowel O, continuously prolonging it.

3. Imagine that for what feels about at least an hour or however long it takes to fall asleep.

The technique is very simple, but it is a very effective method for getting to the Causal plane. By falling asleep consciously we enter the astral plane. By falling asleep with a completely silent mind (perfect concentration) we enter the Causal plane.

I think I get what your sayn with your #2 thing (O).

While Im layn there and getting relaxed, im trying to get my body to have completely dead weight. So sometimes when I exhale Ill say in my head ummmm... and then when I reach that deadweight feeling, I try to maintain it as I breathe in. It kinda causes a sinking feeling. Which speeds up the process a bit.
Not sure if thats what your sayn though.

Greytraveller · May 22, 2011, 22:35:46

Hallo Job

I am curious to know if you have had any OBEs/projections to the Causal Plane?
If so, I would be very interested in reading one of your experiences.
Personally I have never had a projection to the Causal Plane, or the Mental Plane or Bhuddic Plane or Atmic Plane. I have had a couple projections to strange Astral planes where colorful lights and sounds were distorted to give a sort of kaleidoscope effect. Yet that must be different than an experience on the Causal plane, yes?

Regards

Grey

CFTraveler · May 23, 2011, 10:30:38

I still don't understand why saying 'O' takes you to the Causal plane.
I for example have used 'Om', variations on the middle pillar ('calling the names') and other mantras that don't necessarily have any association with anything, and have ended up in different planes/focus levels- but I'm not 100% sure I know what you consider the causal plane to be.

andrew banjo · January 08, 2013, 03:51:29

Casual plane is were memory bank is or akasha however if you wanted to access info about past life you dont tell your astral veichle to please take me to casual plane or akashic record as it will not have a refrence pointb for casual body or the hall of records as all these are human concepts it is far easier to just state i want to experience my past life experience or take me back in time year 1314 or take me to the future 2978 makeit as simple as possible you will get more results as in the real world when you want info from library you select what you want to read and find it same as akashic record it is a data base you have to key in what you want and it is yanked out of the library and only what you want to focuss on is what is pulled out and not the entire history of mankind and not only can you look at your past life but you can look up other peoples past life. the use of vowels sounds and mantras are usefull tools for going up to high vibratory planes but not realy nessesary to gain access to the akashic or casual plane as by simply requesting to experience past is sufficient as the psychic body understands that

andrew banjo · June 05, 2013, 08:05:03

the casual plane is on the higher mental plane and you cannot astral project to the casual plane since the astral body cant go beyond the astral plane hence you need to employ a casual body which is more supeerior to the gross astral; body

Volgerle · June 05, 2013, 15:27:16

It's causal, not casual.

M4RT1N · June 06, 2013, 02:39:35

Quote from: CFTraveler on May 23, 2011, 10:30:38
I still don't understand why saying 'O' takes you to the Causal plane.
I for example have used 'Om', variations on the middle pillar ('calling the names') and other mantras that don't necessarily have any association with anything, and have ended up in different planes/focus levels- but I'm not 100% sure I know what you consider the causal plane to be.

Do you do the same technique, just say Om and variations of it instead of O?

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