Guys this drives me crazy. I lie in bed and begin my technique or method to project and then some where during this i click out and then just as i am about to exit i become consiously aware again.
Sometimes i even practice and then roll over too sleep to get exit sensations during my sleep and seperate form my body to project.
its like i put conscouse effort in to find myself click out and then be pushed back into awareness later on. its so weird
This happens to me almost every time I've projected. If I'm meditating/trance there will be a very small loss of consciousness before I click back into a different state, ready to project. I don't know why it is, but I haven't experienced a projection into RTZ without it happening.
when it happens to me its so weird its like am aware but totally spaced out just lingeringsomewhere in the background haha
Hallo Fourthdimension
I read somewhere that most people actually Do lose consciousness for a second or two when going out of body. This probably occurs for some people from time to time and does not apply for everyone. Or maybe strong emotions prevent you from going OBE? An alternative is to project directly out of a dream or a lucid dream where there is already a continuous state of consciousness.
btw what technique do you practice? Have you tried the 'roll out' method?
Regards
Grey
If you are actually successfully projecting, then why worry about being aware of SP? It's not particularly nice... you're not missing much.
I've said it plenty of times, but experiencing SP is technically pathological, it shouldn't really happen. so yea, echo bedeekin.
To Greytraveller,
The main problem i had with projection when i was younger was the exact thing your trying to find which is a technique. I dont use a technique as such. I tried most techniques.....Rollout techniques, techniques from members, books and monroe and to be honest i dont think they help people project or maybe i am just speaking for myself lol.
The thing with techniques is that there is steps and stages which are set in stone and soon as you finish one you need to remember the next which does nt really help us project it becomes a hinderance.
I try things similar to what Xanth used which usually work.
Firstly the thing which is constant in my experience is the ringing in my ears. I focus on it until i can turn it up and block out my physical hearing by doing this. If the ringing is not present i wont waste my time attempting projection.
The next thing i do is as PR suggested in a post which is review my day and thoughts for 5 minutes.
I then decide at that time and not before what i feel like doing which usually is a choice between two things for projection the first is deep breathing to which i count rhythimcally with for a good 15 minutes which then leaves me in deep trance and from there i decide on what to do wether it is the shifted blackboard trick or other tricks mentioned in lucidology or wether it is just becoming aware and starring into the blackness which is also decided on the spurr of the moment.
The other thing i do if i do not count my breathes is take deep breathes but slowly so that my body slowlys down slowly but before i do this i place my finger between both eyes at the place my 3rd eye should be and i do this with my eyes closed and keep this location fixed in my mind and focus on it and as xanth said just roll my eyes up and let the experience take me.
another constant is my breathing i do not breath shallow breathes i imagine everytime i breathe i am plunging into the deep end of a pool and so breathe deep from my diaphram and try not to ficus on this and rather let it come instinct.
The problem occurs when i get to the peak of my experience which sometimes i click out for a length of time .I am not sure the time interval i am out for but when this happens i enter 3d blackness with a pulsating 3rd eye or head to which i focus hard like am taking a big crap lol and pop am out lol. With these projections i never get forced back into my body it is always by choice that i enter back and i do not enter back to dream i physically become awake.
With the other type of exit symtoms i am conscoius all through but do not get SP instead i get very warm feeling all over my body which i can move around and turn up or down in frequency and my crown throbs like mad till it is at the point that i feel like my head is about to explode and at this point bang i am out but with these projections i usally end up back into a dream upon entering my body which is sally by force and not choice
Which technique do you use grey? what exit symptoms do you get?
Take care mate
To PR and bedeekin,
What do you mean PR it is techinically pathological?
I mean i dont want the SP but i just wanna do it correct and go through SP . For now what i am doing is suffice but for the future it wont be. for now I can project upon bed as doing what i do but what i really want is full control of how and when and where i do this. I wanna be able to sit on a train and say yes i ll do it now or sitting in my room and say now. I know this sounds a bit dilusional but this is the progression i wanna work too. I dont want it to happen because it happens . I want it to happen because i said lets project. I know that makes me sound a bit of a control freak which i am not its just i feel this is a vital part in progressing.
Bedeekin, I love sp. I love the feeling its better than projection lmao
Take care guys and thanks
Hallo Fourthdimension
I read somewhere that most people actually Do lose consciousness for a second or two when going out of body. This probably occurs for some people from time to time and does not apply for everyone. Or maybe strong emotions prevent you from going OBE? An alternative is to project directly out of a dream or a lucid dream where there is already a continuous state of consciousness.
btw what technique do you practice? Have you tried the 'roll out' method?
Regards
Grey
Hola ! :)
If this happends, it is the normal "black-out" and you end up in a astral projection...
But you can convert into a conscious exit from astral projection...
Is this old news or...??? i'm new here...hehehe
Johiii...
Me.
Quote from: Fourthdimension on May 08, 2011, 21:37:31
To PR and bedeekin,
What do you mean PR it is techinically pathological?
I mean i dont want the SP but i just wanna do it correct and go through SP . For now what i am doing is suffice but for the future it wont be. for now I can project upon bed as doing what i do but what i really want is full control of how and when and where i do this. I wanna be able to sit on a train and say yes i ll do it now or sitting in my room and say now. I know this sounds a bit dilusional but this is the progression i wanna work too. I dont want it to happen because it happens . I want it to happen because i said lets project. I know that makes me sound a bit of a control freak which i am not its just i feel this is a vital part in progressing.
Bedeekin, I love sp. I love the feeling its better than projection lmao
Take care guys and thanks
sleep paralysis, or REM atonia, is a natural function of the body to protect itself during sleep. Once you enter REM, your voluntary muscle stuff is paralyzed (involuntary, like heart beat and breathing keep going obviously). You aren't supposed to wake up during this period, which is why your brain waves slow down so much in these deep levels, to try and keep you asleep. When you wake up in sleep paralysis it's usually because of some abnormal situation, like you were woken up by a sound or a cat or a partner rolling over. Biologically speaking though, you shouldn't wake up in sleep paralysis. This is technically different from the state before sleep that feels like a lead blanket has been laid over of you. So what you're trying to achieve is the lead blanket, not sleep paralysis. However, at this point we're arguing semantics. I've been fighting with people on this forum about this topic forever and no one seems to remember or they don't care. I would like for a different and more accurate label to be used, but in the end it doesn't really matter, it would just be helpful for explaining things here.
QuoteI've been fighting with people on this forum about this topic forever and no one seems to remember or they don't care.
I both remember and Care! :-D
Good post personalreality. :-)
Grey
lol, cool. :-D
Quote from: Greytraveller on May 12, 2011, 15:18:05
I both remember and Care! :-D
Good post personalreality. :-)
Grey
I just call it deep trance, but really, gave up on pointing out the distinction. Too many arguments and derails.
Quote from: Fourthdimension on May 08, 2011, 21:37:31
Bedeekin, I love sp. I love the feeling its better than projection lmao
So do I... I nurture it and promote my method which induces it... this doesn't mean that I am an SP-evangelist. Not everyone experiences OOBEs/AP the same and some don't even experience SP/VS. Also, striving to experience conscious SP can hinder those who maybe don't have to.