Moving physical objects in Astral.

[Jeff_Mash]

While possible, it is very difficult to affect solid matter when you're projecting without exerting a tremendous amount of energy and effort.

Think of everything in terms of vibrations.  The more dense an object is, the slower it vibrates.  Everything in our everyday waking lives vibrates at a low rate.  This includes your car, your computer, even your body.

So how are we able to astral project/phase/OBE?  In simple terms, you're raising the rate of your vibrational frequency to a higher, less sense form.  This is why, when projecting, you're able to pass through solid objects, simply because your less dense than they are.

Imagine a cup filled with rocks.  If you place another rock of the same size on top of the other rocks, it will remain on top...unable to penetrate.  However, if you place some small pebbles (or better yet, SAND) on top of the rocks, it will pass through.  Same concept.

So in order to manipulate and move a solid object, you would have to lower your vibrational frequency when projecting while at the same time, somehow not end up losing control of the experience.

Of course, that is also assuming that you're projecting into the Real Time Zone and not some astral counterpart.

[jc84corvette]

Good reply Jeff.

Wizzle, I suggest that you read a topic in the "Astral Chat" forum. There is a topic thats called "Can you bring things back from the Astral", something to that affect. []

[wizzle]

quote:Of course, that is also assuming that you're projecting into the Real Time Zone and not some astral counterpart.

Sorry, i don't really understand that part. I have another question, how come when projecting you can walk on the ground but can go through walls ? I know that it wouldn't be too cool if when projecting you go to the center of the earth being torn apart and destroyed but it's a confusing concept to me.

1 more thing, thanks alot Jeff_Marsh for replying to all my posts, you've replyed to all of my many posts (not too many but ya know) and it's been a great help.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by wizzle

quote:Of course, that is also assuming that you're projecting into the Real Time Zone and not some astral counterpart.

Sorry, i don't really understand that part.

Imagine the entire universe (physical and nonphysical) as a great big onion.  The physical is at the center, ok?  The next layer on top of that is an almost identical imprint of the physical.  It looks almost 100% like it, but it's not quite the physical.

The higher up you move within these layers, the further away you're moving from the real time zone.

This is why sometimes, when you project, you may be in your house, but some of the furniture is moved around, or a door is located on the wrong side of the room.

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I have another question, how come when projecting you can walk on the ground but can go through walls ? I know that it wouldn't be too cool if when projecting you go to the center of the earth being torn apart and destroyed but it's a confusing concept to me.

If you WANT to sink into the ground, you can.  Just as it's also possible to walk up to a wall and not go through it.  Heck, most of the doors I approach in the astral I open with my hand instead of walking through them!

However, if you want to walk through walls, you can.  Usually, when I first touch one, it feels as solid as this computer screen in front of me.  But with just a little push, I sink into it, and I can literally feel myself passing through each layer of the wall, sheetrock, insulation, etc.

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1 more thing, thanks alot Jeff_Marsh for replying to all my posts, you've replyed to all of my many posts (not too many but ya know) and it's been a great help.

Thanks.....But who is this Jeff MARSH guy?  I only know of a Jeff MASH who posts here! []

[wizzle]

Hahahahah sorry man, i was totally unaware of that mistake hahahahha

[wizzle]

Can you move and hold things when your Astral? Like moving an object, or using a camera or something? If this is possible couldn't someone rob a store or do something bad with this skill? I was thinking of how cool it would be to take a picture, but it would probably show everything in the physical world, and not Astral. Although it would be cool to take a picture of yourself