focus 10...

[Melfina]

By listening to some of the binaural beats on some various websites I've finally been able to achieve the focus 10 state, mind awake/body asleep.  After I achieve this state, where do I proceed to go?  This is the part where you try to leave your physical body correct?

[Hans Solo]

Go to focus 12.  FOcus 12 is where you feel like you Plug in, like a snap of superconsciousness, and are all mental (may not always be that pronounced but you should strive for this clarity).  Any feeling of your body is long gone, you may be vaugely aware of where your body is but all or almost all sensation is gone. Monroe said that this state is mainly a theta state, focus 10, and focus 12 is where you increase the overlying beta waves (awareness).  ONce here notice the blackness of your mental screen, NOT behind the eyes (keep them out of it), and notice any changes.  You may feel slight movement, see blotches of color (don't let your physical eyes focus on these), feel pressure in your head, etc.  Don't TRY and do anything here besides notice and ALLOW yourself to be taken for the ride to Focus 21.

You have to notice subtle energies and allow yourself to go with the flow.  Trying to GET "out of your body" from focus 10 will be very frustrating and will probably block your process.  Instead, gently play with the subtle energies that are around you in this state (kind of like if you were blind and you were navigating around an unfamiliar room) and ALLOW yourself to go with the flow. 

Han

[Melfina]

heh
thanks for all the great info... especially the part about noticing the mental blackness and not the behind the eyes.  I think that might be one of my biggest problems.

at what focus level is it possible to project, is it the full 21?  or can it be done at say 12?

[Hans Solo]

thanks for all the great info... especially the part about noticing the mental blackness and not the behind the eyes.  I think that might be one of my biggest problems.

I think this is a big stumbling block for most due to the fact we are sight creatures by nature.  I still have problems with my physical eyes trying to latch on to mental images.

at what focus level is it possible to project, is it the full 21?  or can it be done at say 12

good question, but i guess the answer depends on your view of an OBE.  I would say that there would be little arguement that at focus 21 you are "out of body".  That is once you actualy merge into the 3d blackness instead of gazing at it from the point of view of your body or mental screen.


HAN

[Melfina]

wow, that is probably the most sense ive heard of the entire method.  merge into the 3d blackness! that will help me a lot, i appreciate all the help.  ill work on increasing my focus from 10 to 12 and so on until finally i reach 21.  hard work, but definitely worth it.

[Hans Solo]

hard work, but definitely worth it

The hard part is allowing yourself to go with the flow and change your focus.  In the beginning, you will probably start to feel yourself tense up a bit when you allow yourself to go with flow and block your progress, however, with practice you will allow yourself to go further and further.  I remember just a year ago I was "trying" to go here and go there, unconsciously trying to force myself out and made little progress.  Now I have made a lot of progress just being in the moment at whatever state I am in and "playing" with the subtle energies (something that does not come natural to a left brainier like me).  You almost have to use your intuition in order to even feel this energy.

At focus 10 I already assume I am out of body, but I don't force it too much...I just bask in this state and try and get a feel for its properties, I guess you would call it a more inquisitive attitude instead of "I am going to get out of my body damnit" attitude.

This is the hardest part...a softer attitude toward the process

Han

[Melfina]

that helps a lot thanks han.
im gonna go off on a tangent now lol but, it reminds me of a book i read a long time ago by Robert Jordan.  The wheel of time series
in order for these women to channel they must let the power take them, they couldnt force it or it wouldnt work. 
but ill begin probing the focus 10 and 12 states and see how it goes!

[andonitxo]

I'm going to take advantage of this thread to ask some questions about F10:

-I've being trying to achieve it, and I think I've got to it once, time ago. I felt not detached from my physical body, my "body" started to fly! as suspended in the air, while the head was held in the ground.

-Since that time I have had serious troubles to relax the body, I mean, I would need more time to relax certain parts of my body (more time that Monroe gives).

-My mind, I think, as developed some trick not to practice it, because I get too excited when trying to do so. Maybe my sub has prejudiced it, or I've interiorized a bad feeling linked to it.

So, is body's feeling TOTALLY suspended from your consciousness on F10? How the hell do you relax your neck and face so rapidly? Is there any precondition to fulfill before exercising?

Thanks a lot! I think I'm really stuck.

[Melfina]

well on your question about relaxing, i think what has helped my speed is to start with the eyes.  If you notice during the day they (on me) are very tense and getting those and the area around them relaxed pretty much sets a chain event for the rest of my face, try to hone in on that area see if that helps.

[Stookie]

I'm going to take advantage of this thread to ask some questions about F10:

-I've being trying to achieve it, and I think I've got to it once, time ago. I felt not detached from my physical body, my "body" started to fly! as suspended in the air, while the head was held in the ground.

-Since that time I have had serious troubles to relax the body, I mean, I would need more time to relax certain parts of my body (more time that Monroe gives).

-My mind, I think, as developed some trick not to practice it, because I get too excited when trying to do so. Maybe my sub has prejudiced it, or I've interiorized a bad feeling linked to it.

So, is body's feeling TOTALLY suspended from your consciousness on F10? How the hell do you relax your neck and face so rapidly? Is there any precondition to fulfill before exercising?

Thanks a lot! I think I'm really stuck.

I find it's best to sit still and relax for 5 or 10 minutes before putting on the CD. I pretty much get to F3 on my own before starting. Then I can start visualizing right away with the energy conversion box or energy work. When I visualize, I try to get into it so much that even though I still feel my body, I totally ignore it. When I do the resonant tuning, I'll imagine sitting in a circle of characters chanting, or something similar. This really helps relax and while still focusing away from my body. Doing energy work while tuning works well.

At some point, I'll get the floating sensation you speak about. I might start "swaying" or "rolling", but I stick with my visualizations. I find that focusing on feeling of movement breaks it. Whether I'm doing the CD or not, this sensation always comes before focus 10.

Right after this (depending on the which CD track you're using), the CD will move you into F10. Most of the time I feel a definite "shift" or quick "click". I no longer have the need to percieve my physical body (but it's still possible) and can focus on thoughts, do more energy work, try an exit technique (tough), or focus inward towards F12.

I think MisterJingo has said this before, but the feeling and state of F10 will change over time as you become more familiar with it. I think this happens at every level of consciousness.

I also have problems with relaxation at certain times. Unfortunately these are often the only time I can meditate, so I do it anyways. Who knows what progress I would make if I could meditate at 10 AM every day. However, I have to pay the bills. Even if you don't seem to be getting anywhere, I believe that the diligence and devotion pays off.

I've used a relaxation hypnosis CD which has helped tremendously for relaxation also. Relaxation is a technique in itself and becomes easier and quicker as you do it more often.

Hope this helps

[andonitxo]

Thanks for the tips, folks.

When you say visualization, what do you mean? Do you follow some kind of guided visualization?

In my case thoughts come from themselves, as when you're entering into theta and dream images pop up in your mind's eye. Totally incontrolable.

Let me tell you all about "rejection". It has occurred to me several times with many exercises. When you don't get to some milestone in a practice your mind develops some kind of bad feeling about it, and from that moment on it seems you, subconsciously, don't want to go on with it. That's why I use to rest with some practices, not to link them with negative feelings. I had this "shootback" with AP and I abandoned it for years.

PD: can it be practiced in the bus, sat down, for example?

[Melfina]

PD: can it be practiced in the bus, sat down, for example?

I practice in school when I'm bored, the extra noise helps me truly attempt to block all extrinsic stimulation.

eva

[Stookie]

When you say visualization, what do you mean? Do you follow some kind of guided visualization?

I tend to do different visualizations with different exercises, or use a "run-down" as Frank describes. The main reason is for diverting attention away from the physical body. He has some great run-down ideas for Gateway here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html

He explains much better than I do.

In my case thoughts come from themselves, as when you're entering into theta and dream images pop up in your mind's eye. Totally incontrolable.

Yes, they come up randomly, but the key is not to hold on to them. Notice them and let them go. Try not to consciously "think" about them though. It takes a passive awareness. It's not far past this stage that you reach F10. Sometimes, I use F10 as a place to just think about a certain idea or situation. It's a great state of mind to examine ideas without intruding thoughts & feelings.

Let me tell you all about "rejection". It has occurred to me several times with many exercises. When you don't get to some milestone in a practice your mind develops some kind of bad feeling about it, and from that moment on it seems you, subconsciously, don't want to go on with it. That's why I use to rest with some practices, not to link them with negative feelings. I had this "shootback" with AP and I abandoned it for years.

I used to get this too. At first I was ecstatic to practice. Then nothing. And more nothing. And then frustration. And then doubt. Something that helped me was to lessen my expectations, and be open to anything. I started to get a lot more out of my mediations and AP attempts. Not necessarily projections, but insights, visions, creative ideas, clear-mindedness, peace, & relaxation. And this spills over into everyday life, so no meditation is a waist of time. It took a while, but meditation became something to look forward too and needed on a daily basis.

[andonitxo]

Have an applaud, Stookie, from my side 

So, to clear up some doubts, if I follow the random images of the to-come dream state I'd get trapped in the dream state?

Another point: in this forum I read that at some point in the relaxation process the brain sends a signal that produces a huge urge to move. If you move your body your brain deduces you're already awake, if you resist the urge your brain shuts down your locomotive system. Is this right? Is this what happens in the process (body asleep...)?

This night I've taken back my ipod's Monroe files. I've beared in mind the "idea" of flotation and it's worked, even if I got asleep before ending  But I'm happy. This morning I've woken up totally energized.

[Hans Solo]

I'm going to take advantage of this thread to ask some questions about F10:

-I've being trying to achieve it, and I think I've got to it once, time ago. I felt not detached from my physical body, my "body" started to fly! as suspended in the air, while the head was held in the ground.

-Since that time I have had serious troubles to relax the body, I mean, I would need more time to relax certain parts of my body (more time that Monroe gives).

-My mind, I think, as developed some trick not to practice it, because I get too excited when trying to do so. Maybe my sub has prejudiced it, or I've interiorized a bad feeling linked to it.

So, is body's feeling TOTALLY suspended from your consciousness on F10? How the hell do you relax your neck and face so rapidly? Is there any precondition to fulfill before exercising?

Thanks a lot! I think I'm really stuck.

You may want to start an exercise from Maxalding.  You can go to www.maxalding.co.uk to see the website.  There is a technique they do before starting their muscle control routine that they say with practice allows one to relax at will.  First they stand up, sometimes in front of a bed in case they fall over, and use progressive relaxation to relax their whole body.  You should get to the point where only your skeletal system is holding you up.  Then, after you are relaxed completely you flex every muscle in your body.  You will notice that not all your muscles are flexing properly when you are first doing this exercise.  This just means you don't have necessary control over this area of your body.  So you then concentrate on this part of your body until the muscle is flexed.  After all muscles seem to be flexed (include facial), do the relaxation part again.  This exercise will show you where your weaknesses are in your body and will help you to develop a better mind-body connection, and in a short amount of time you will be able to relax to a certain degree which gets better each time you do the exercise.

After the exercise shake out all parts of the body.  First shake your arm, you will at first feel tension and your arms will not shake a whole lot, command the muscle to relax until you arms are flaccid and wobbling this way and that (you sometimes see swimmers do this before they get on the block, or boxers before a match).  You will be very relaxed after doing this a few times, especialy after getting the hang of it.

This is just the first exercise of Maxalding but if you continue with the program you will see more benefits.  These old strongmen could control every muscle on their body to a remarkable degree.  The could make every muscle dance, breathe fluidly by opening up the chest cavity by building up the intercostal muscles, control their heart and nerves, and increase your will power and concentration.

Give it a shot
Han

[andonitxo]

Han:

I've wandered off in the web you've pointed out, but it seems, looking at the forum, that it's more intended to bodybuilders, or the like. Don't you have a resume of it?

Maybe you've heard about autogenic training. I practiced it for a while, and I obtained very good results, I could even enter a physical-shut-down state while walking and awake (quite dangerous, too). But with this one my weak point was the neck too (anyway I was in a very stressful state of my life). But I'd recommend it to anyone. Basically it consists in relaxing your limbs with the help of some mental orders. The author states that once they're relaxed the relaxation extends to the rest of the body. The practice is accompanied with other steps related to the head. I don't remember everything by heart.

[Hans Solo]

I've wandered off in the web you've pointed out, but it seems, looking at the forum, that it's more intended to bodybuilders, or the like. Don't you have a resume of it?

I wouldn't read the forums if I were you I would just look at the old Manual and the new Manual someone else wrote. 

Old Manual Relaxation: http://www.maxalding.co.uk/mc-book-english/mc-e-4a.htm


You can see the new Manual by going here: http://www.maxalding.co.uk/Philosophy/philosophy1.htm Take a look at part 3 (bullet point 2 if you are in a hurry) and part 9 and tell me that kind of control wouldn't be beneficial in AP-especially 11.5.1 )

Maxalding is basically the art of controlling all voluntary and involuntary muscles in the body by creating a better mind-body connection.  The reason these guys were extremely muscular is because they also lifted weights and did hand balancing.  The muscle control itself is just establishing a better nerve connection between the mind and the muscle.  The nerve becomes stronger and the signals travel between the two better.  In the process your muscles will also become more supple and stronger with less daily residual tension.

[andonitxo]

Thanks you so much, Han!

I was a bit lost in that page. I've downloaded all the files to read them at home.

I've always thought that mind-body connection is one of the tests to pass before moving on to more mystical things. One of my problems is that I tend to have my focus always pointing out my inner world. That has provoked to me bad body-postures, a poor breathing technique, and so... A total disconnection!

Time ago, one day, I put all my efforts to center my consciousness outside my inner world, i.e, to my body and the surroundings. That same day I had a LD. Awesome!

That's why I've always believed that a good mind-shut-down, and a point-out-your-body techniques are a must in order to improve your AP and LC capabilities.

Thanks again. I'll read the books and I'll come back to express my experience.

[ooo]

How long does it take you guys to reach Focus 10 ? I usually listen to brainwave entrainment CDs for an hour before my body goes numb. Sometimes I feel these tingling sensations all over my body. But I ALWAYS feel my body.

But sometimes I'd awake early and couldn't feel my body. Should I try to get fully consciousness*?

Too bad I can't get into Focus 10 in the night. I'm trying it for a couple of years now but it doesn't work for me.

[Stookie]

I normally reach F10 anywhere between 10 and 35 minutes. If it dosen't happen during this time, I find it's not going to. That's for me, it's different for everyone.

You say you always feel your body. That might be your problem - stop trying to feel it. Immerse yourself in noticing or a run-down to draw your attention away from your body. Don't wait for your body to go numb, just ignore all physical sensations.

[andonitxo]

Han:

This thing about Maxalding has a lot of stuff to practice, hasn't it? I'm lost in translation  (just a pun).

If you've practiced it, what would be a little resume of the technique? (a hands-on guide). I'm very interested in it.

Thanks!

[blade5x]

What focus is when you start to mildly hallucinate, or get intense rushes after you've reached F10, (and I mean feel like I moving at the speed of light) but don't actually get anywhere?

I find that I sometimes get stuck in Sleep Paralysis, where I am just unable to roll myself to the side, and unable to begin any kind of lucid experience. Usually if I start any kind of hallucination or intense rush (depending on how much this rush excites me because they are FUN), I'm usually good to go.

I remember once I was stuck in it for quite a long time, and I told myself, forget this, I'm going to sleep, and oddly I could not lose my lucidity no matter how hard I tried. It was like I had a full-blown waking consciousness during it, something I wish I would have the majority of my lucid (or semi-lucid) experiences.