Great succes with asking to be pulled out (by guides)

[Fusions]

When I have had enough sleep (after 7 hours, I have the highest succes rate), I try to sleep again, I wait till I am at the brink of sleep, I ask my guides to pull me out, immediately I get a pulling sensation, I let go and I find myself in a lucid dream.

Cheers.

[Volgerle]

Yep! This is it. 

It is the first advice I always give and have given around here a lot of times in threads if one has problems with exit techniques during the vibrational stage.

Stretch out your "astral" arm/hand or ask for being pulled and there is almost everytime 'someone' around who is happy to do so.

This thing works. 

[Xanth]

I've done this many times during meditation to great effect.
Now, I don't believe for a second that there is some entity/guide actually there "helping" me... but it places a strong Intent to that aim, which assists with the action.

[deepspace]

I've done this many times during meditation to great effect.
Now, I don't believe for a second that there is some entity/guide actually there "helping" me... but it places a strong Intent to that aim, which assists with the action.

So apparently it's not the beliefs that make it happen, it's the intent. My experience has been that beliefs can help to create intent, but the beliefs themselves don't make it manifest.

[AAAAAAAA]

So apparently it's not the beliefs that make it happen, it's the intent. My experience has been that beliefs can help to create intent, but the beliefs themselves don't make it manifest.

It already exists. Intent just gets you to it.

This is just my theory.

[soarin12]

Now, I don't believe for a second that there is some entity/guide actually there "helping" me... but it places a strong Intent to that aim, which assists with the action.

Why not?  What do you believe about guides --or lack there of?

[Fusions]

Well, intent gets the ball rolling in most cases but I believe they do all of the work

[Volgerle]

I guess it's a bit of an ego issue for some people. It's also about pride. "I don't need help from anyone." 

I remember s.o. (most probably a woman) wrote in another thread about this that it's mostly a "guy's (meaning: male) thing". I don't know if that is true, but maybe some people just cannot accept help and want to be 'self-made' and independent, which is more of a masculine aspect indeed. "Cooperation not needed, I'm a man, I can do it alone."

I believe that their helpers who are assigned to them might indeed avoid to appear as such to them thus (since intent indeed creates their reality) but they might work in the background still, like they do most of the time anyway I assume.

And yes, a guide - should they appear at all - might be part of the higher self or the 'LCS' (so it is part of yourself anyway and you doing the work), but it is still a guide then, paradoxical as it might sound at first. I call it the phenomenological or utilitarist approach: a guide is a guide... is a guide, even if you guide yourself. 

[Xanth]

So apparently it's not the beliefs that make it happen, it's the intent. My experience has been that beliefs can help to create intent, but the beliefs themselves don't make it manifest.

Beliefs can generate Intent.
The belief that we're "inside a body" for example, creates the Intent of going "out of body" when projecting.  It's what creates those "separation sensations".

Why not?  What do you believe about guides --or lack there of?

I believe in guides, just probably not in the same way you or others do.
I don't view them as entities that are just hanging out in the non-physical waiting to help me when I ask.
Look into what Tom Campbell says about guides.  That's my opinion too.

Although, in this particular scenario, it's just an Intent-generator to assist you in getting out.  It's a guide, for all intents and purposes... just nothing active that you'd recognize as such.

[raditus]

I've had to ask my astral watcher to give me a hand up some times. Most times though,  I try my hardest to get out by myself.

I imagine my watcher wrapping me up in rigging, nearly like cargo net, then hauling up. A lot of times it works, and all I have to do is focus myself to where I want to be.

[Xanth]

I've had to ask my astral watcher to give me a hand up some times. Most times though,  I try my hardest to get out by myself.

I imagine my watcher wrapping me up in rigging, nearly like cargo net, then hauling up. A lot of times it works, and all I have to do is focus myself to where I want to be.

There is your Intent in action. 
You're doing all the work, you just don't realize it. 

[deepspace]

Beliefs can generate Intent.
The belief that we're "inside a body" for example, creates the Intent of going "out of body" when projecting.  It's what creates those "separation sensations".
I believe in guides, just probably not in the same way you or others do.
I don't view them as entities that are just hanging out in the non-physical waiting to help me when I ask.
Look into what Tom Campbell says about guides.  That's my opinion too.

Although, in this particular scenario, it's just an Intent-generator to assist you in getting out.  It's a guide, for all intents and purposes... just nothing active that you'd recognize as such.

I'd be interested to know what Tom Campbell says about guides since I haven't heard it. My experience with them has been only that they provide love and support when I need it most and don't actively assist me. Of course it's possible that they are providing a lot more, but I am just not aware of it. It makes sense though that our physical world life is an individual learning experience and we are here to learn to have the abilities ourselves. No one can do that for us, but sometimes we get discouraged and worn out in the process and just need some uplifting. That's what I see as the main role of guides. At some point assistance becomes interference. A good teacher is one that helps the student to figure out the answers for themselves.

[Volgerle]

I'd be interested to know what Tom Campbell says about guides since I haven't heard it.

Here's from their Wiki which is based on TC's quotes (speeches, forum posts) and written material:

http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/Helper

A "Helper" (also sometimes called a "Guide", "Angel", or similar term) is considered to be a non-physical being that is more highly-evolved and knowledgeable than human beings. A Helper considers it his duty to provide assistance to others and Helpers are a prime source of information and assistance to someone exploring NPMR. If you want to find someone or something and have no idea how to go about it, or just need answers to your questions -- then call for a Helper's assistance.

My Big TOE doctrine describes a Helper as an entity created for you by the Larger Consciousness System (AUM) to assist you in your personal evolution and growth.

To me this does not say anything that I wouldn't subscribe to, just with other words and terminology expressing the same thing. They are an outgrowth and a part of the same "LCS/AUM thing". But so is you and me.

http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/Larger_Consciousness_System

The LCS encompasses the entirety of consciousness that is media of reality. Whether or not something exists outside of consciousness is theoretically possible but practicably unknowable, as we are consciousness itself.

As I said before here in other threads: It's all a matter of your preferred semantics as defined also by the chosen angle or point of view/reference when you describe or 'categorise' things:

Looking at the "whole" (God, AUM/LCS, Source, All-that-is) you are not ontologically disctinct from any guide, they are the Higher Self as we are all the "Higher" Self.

Looking at the 'plane/level' you are on - be it physical or astral - they can be viewed as distinct, maybe even as other IUOCs (http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/IUOC - and thereby probably distinct "souls"), or maybe aspects of your higher self who are also distinct from your current human ego since we are all multipersonal/multidimensional beings.

I have heavy experience with guides. If they are other souls, tools or my higher self is not that important to me. Judge a tree by its fruit. It is their help and their effectiveness that counts. And most of the times they were effective in helping me, but not always.

[LightBeam]

Through retrievals, I myself have assisted and helped many spirits. So, in these cases I was I and they were themselves. I was not a temporary part of their creation. In many cases they did not even ask for help. I was taken by some unknown forces during APs and dropped in a situation where another entity was experiencing a difficult situation. Sometimes they could see me, other times I realized that they had no idea anyone was there at all. So, yes, we interact with many spirits all the time in many levels. Even here in the physical when you help someone, you are acting as a guide. Same thing out there. You don't necessarily have to have the so called guardian angels, or very highly evolved beings. It could be anyone with good intentions.
I do agree that our own thoughts and intentions  crate and manifest all the time, but we also interact all the time whether we realize it or not with other spirits. Otherwise it would be a very lonely existence (here and everywhere in the multiverse) if we did not. Ultimately at the highest realm we are pure consciousness and are one, but we always experience individuality as the part of the soul expansion in many other levels including the physical realms, and while we experience these existences we do appear different and need to interact with one another to learn.
I have also had communicated with many entities who appeared that were helping me. One very interesting interaction was with a butterfly with a tiny human body and a woman's face. It was definitely not a part of my imagination or creation. It was a different entity. I had a false awakening one morning, and I realized I was perceiving the astral, when I opened my eyes, still in bed, just as you would normally wake up. My room was absolutely the same, but on the window it was that creature butterfly. I got startled and she said "Don't be afraid" then I stretched my hand, she flew and landed on my fingers. Then I saw her up close. She sort of whispered to me, and said "There are many invisible things around you, but humans don't posses the senses to perceive them. I have been with you for a long time". Then I woke up in the physical.

[Loosh]

I have also had communicated with many entities who appeared that were helping me. One very interesting interaction was with a butterfly with a tiny human body and a woman's face. It was definitely not a part of my imagination or creation. It was a different entity. I had a false awakening one morning, and I realized I was perceiving the astral, when I opened my eyes, still in bed, just as you would normally wake up. My room was absolutely the same, but on the window it was that creature butterfly. I got startled and she said "Don't be afraid" then I stretched my hand, she flew and landed on my fingers. Then I saw her up close. She sort of whispered to me, and said "There are many invisible things around you, but humans don't posses the senses to perceive them. I have been with you for a long time". Then I woke up in the physical.

Want!!