Do you think we lose consciousness/awareness during sleep?

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floriferous

A question out there for those interested. I have my own thoughts but wanted to see what others think on the matter.

omcasey

Our player in the game, the Earth life game loses its awareness of this game and reintegrates into others it is moving through. This could be called "losing consciousness" or losing awareness" but rather than it truly being of awareness, is more precisely only of a portion of the game. Consciousness itself, awareness itself ( even individuality itself ) is what it is and is always present. — somewhere.

LightBeam

Agree with Casey. If you are looking into this matter from a physical character's perspective, it would appear that we do lose awareness. In dream state we are partially tuned out of the physical, and we are tuned partially into the non-physical, however due to our strong connection to our physical vehicle, during sleep we are somewhere in between, so we are neither fully aware of the physical nor fully aware of the non-physical. And this is where AP techniques come to play for those who want to be aware during dreaming. And they really do work as we all know and have experienced. We just have to be consistent practicing them, so our frequency stays adjusted at all time.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

floriferous

Interesting perspectives.

I think that awareness is the one ever present constant and it is the temporary ever changing objective content around us that is responsible for misperceptions of awareness.

Is there really an absence of awareness with deep sleep or is it jut the absence of objective content? We say things like I went to bed, slept for 8 hours and then woke up. For us to say that something has to be aware of this apparent absence of awareness. And if there is awareness of this absence then it wasn't absent. It was aware. If our body and mind turn off when we sleep then what is it that is aware of our alarm clock ringing in the morning to awaken the body and mind? Awareness is aware.

I think the apparent sense of timelessness associated with deep sleep makes us think we lose awareness. There is no content and it passes instantaneously. Time comes back online when we start dreaming or wake up. And what is time anyway? Just a concept of the mind. It has no reality to it. No one has ever experienced the past or the future. We only experience the now and the past and future are only referenced by thought. It is only a thought that says time exists but no one has ever experienced the past or future. So it makes sense in deep sleep where thought is absent that time disappears. And with the absence of time (just another form of objective content) it passes instantly giving the impression of an absence of awareness.

If you search your experience awareness is the only constant. Has anyone experienced the beginning of their awareness? Or the complete end? If not then why would we assume it is limited?

We say things like I was in this state of awareness of that state but I think really it is the mind creating this limitation. Awareness remains intact and unaffected by experience.

omcasey

Quote from: floriferous on March 19, 2021, 20:19:46
Interesting perspectives. I think that awareness is the one ever present constant and it is the temporary ever changing objective content around us that is responsible for misperceptions of awareness. Is there really an absence of awareness with deep sleep or is it jut the absence of objective content?

You have reiterated what I have said. We agree. :-)


floriferous

I suppose so though I do see differences. You both talk about losing or changes to awareness from the physical perspective but I tend to think we never do and it's a misperception. Correct me if I'm wrong but I read into your first comment that pure awareness is different than what we are at this moment. Implying two not one. Is this a fair interpretation of your perspective?

Can you clarify what you mean with the line"....the Earth life game loses its awareness of this game and reintegrates into others it is moving through"?

How are we losing awareness in your view and what do you mean by reintegrates into others it is moving through?

omcasey

Sure.

Let me break down the whole statement:

Quote"Our player in the game, the Earth life game loses its awareness of this game and reintegrates into others it is moving through. This could be called "losing consciousness" or losing awareness" but rather than it truly being of awareness, is more precisely only of a portion of the game. Consciousness itself, awareness itself ( even individuality itself ) is what it is and is always present. — somewhere."

Our player in the Earth life game ( I will use myself ) = Casey
When sleeping loses awareness of this game = loses awareness of the Earth life reality, or as you have put it, this "content"
And reintegrates into other games it is moving through = reintegrates with other "content"

Keep your attention in place for what follows, I do not stop here :

This could be called "losing consciousness" or "losing awareness" BUT
Rather than it truly being a loss of awareness it is more precisely a loss of only a portion of the game - or, again, as you have put it "content"
Consciousness itself, awareness itself is always present.

______________________


There is always what is,
and our individual experience of what is....
this is what provides the "torque" ( the spin ) that allows us to see, know, understand and even misunderstand
without the two and the differential this supplies we are nowhere. each has to be acknowledged to get anywhere

Casey

Lumaza

 I think we "opt" to lose conscious awareness during our nocturnal shifts. But consciousness itself is always "present", as Casey says here. When i do a phase session now, almost every time these days I experience a weird exploding brain sensation. It is brief, but very intense. Immediately following that sensation I am "there", wherever "there" happens to be at the time. It's like going through some kind of mental barrier. One moment i am noticing with my physical eyes, the mental wall approaches and on the other side, I am no longer noticing, I am "being". I experience this almost every time now. This "mental barrier" is strong enough to create a "system overload". I have had a few times where it would actually create a "click out" because of the intensity it had.

Since the get go, we have been trained that when we go to sleep. we lie down, close our eyes and "blank/click" out. But I have seen that that is by choice and also by our design. Once in awhile there is a glitch in the Matrix and we stay aware during the entire process. This is evident in Tibetan Dream Yoga and Conscious Dreaming, as Robert Moss calls it. He says "Dreaming is waking up" and I fully agree with that.

When I first got my Trigeminal Neuralgia, which is malady of the facial nerves, it got really bad when I closed my eyes to go to sleep. The act of just "noticing" through the years itself, also led to many sleepless nights. But with the TN, I had to hold my face while going to sleep. Each time my hand would fall off of it, the nerves would start to spasm again. This occurred for at least the first 30 to 60 minutes every night. I would experience the slight buzzing that can be felt when you are really aware of your body. That buzzing can be felt simply by just closing your eyes and noticing. Then it was on to the mini Dreams. There still seemed to be a very brief click out though. Then I found myself totally consciously aware. This occurred repeatedly during the night. I felt like I never lost consciousness at all during the night. I have spoke with other people at my shows that have experienced and still do experience staying consciously aware what seemed to them to be all night.

Sometimes, this would lead to bouts of "Sleep Paralysis". In another thread Nameless asked has anyone every slowed the process down and instead of "exiting" the body, opted to stay in it?. I went through a period a few years back whereas I awoke in SP 3 to 4 days a week for months. I would realize what is occurring and I would observe every little thing that was occurring to a "T". I felt the onset of the vibrations. Heard the "Astral Winds" approaching. I would use that time to experiment with all kinds of things.

So yes, I believe that we "opt" to lose our consciousness every night when we go to sleep. It is the "normal" thing to do. Most people don't know that there is another option, period. They can't conceive anything but this "physical existence". That is until, they too experience a "glitch" in the system. That's what it takes to make them think anew. To change a mindset is personal thing. Once you do, a shift in awareness becomes your new normal.
"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."  Nicolai Tesla

floriferous

I think there's a lot of agreement on this forum so I want to stir the pot a little for the sake of engagement. No offense implied - just some healthy discussion before another tumbleweed passes through this withering forum...

Okay, Casey, now I see that in what you're saying we are basically talking about the same thing. I think perhaps semantics are getting in the way. I think we agree on the concepts but not the wording itself- because if you're agreeing it's really a loss of the 'game' or 'content' then I'm confused as to why you also refer to it as a loss of awareness when we are saying awareness is ever present. You seem to be happily interchanging the content of awareness with awareness itself. Seems like a confusing way of describing it to me to say the word awareness but actually mean something else (the 'game'). Am I overlooking something here?

This inturn brings up Lumazas post...

Quote from: Lumaza on March 20, 2021, 18:01:33
I think we "opt" to lose conscious awareness during our nocturnal shifts. But consciousness itself is always "present"

Your statement implies awareness is divided. Who is the 'we' awareness that is different from the ever-present awareness? On the surface these two sentences contradict one another. How can you lose conscious awareness and be ever-present at the same time? To lose awareness you have to be aware of the loss of awareness and so therefore it isn't a loss of awareness.

Are you are saying we lose the content of awareness but not awareness itself? It doesn't read that way but perhaps you can clarify?

To say we opt in to losing awareness implies the content of awareness (the body/mind in this case) can affect that which it is made of - awareness itself. To borrow from the classic non dual analogy - that would be like the movie screen being altered by the movie that plays on it. But in reality the movie comes and goes yet the screen remains always the same. Uncolored and unaltered by that which temporarily appears within it.

At the end of your post you talk in a similar way about experiencing a shift in awareness. If awareness is ever present then what is shifting? And shifting from what to what? Do you mean 'shift in awareness' or a 'shift in the content of awareness'? Because they are very different things.

As you are talking about OBEs I'm assuming that what you are referring to as shifting is your perception. Perceptions relate to objective content not awareness. Awareness is the subject not the object.


Quote from: omcasey on March 20, 2021, 13:55:09

There is always what is,
and our individual experience of what is....
this is what provides the "torque" ( the spin ) that allows us to see, know, understand and even misunderstand
without the two and the differential this supplies we are nowhere. each has to be acknowledged to get anywhere

Casey

This is an interesting point and I agree that in the difference we can observe awareness more clearly. I would be interested to hear more from you on this.

Nameless

Straight to the question.

In my mind yes we lose conscious awareness ""of our physical"" self. Which only allows our other quieter non-physical awareness to kick in and move around freely. It's there all the time, it just fades into the background as we go about our day.

The only reason we don't always wake up with full on remembrance is quite literally that our body needs that down time. The moment it comes back online that other quieter non physical awareness simply recedes and must sometimes be teased back into remembrance.
Remember, You came here to this physical earth to experience it in its physical form. NPR will always be there.

Lumaza

Quote from: floriferous on March 21, 2021, 17:22:33
This inturn brings up Lumazas post...

Your statement implies awareness is divided. Who is the 'we' awareness that is different from the ever-present awareness? On the surface these two sentences contradict one another. How can you lose conscious awareness and be ever-present at the same time? To lose awareness you have to be aware of the loss of awareness and so therefore it isn't a loss of awareness.

Are you are saying we lose the content of awareness but not awareness itself? It doesn't read that way but perhaps you can clarify?

To say we opt in to losing awareness implies the content of awareness (the body/mind in this case) can affect that which it is made of - awareness itself. To borrow from the classic non dual analogy - that would be like the movie screen being altered by the movie that plays on it. But in reality the movie comes and goes yet the screen remains always the same. Uncolored and unaltered by that which temporarily appears within it.

At the end of your post you talk in a similar way about experiencing a shift in awareness. If awareness is ever present then what is shifting? And shifting from what to what? Do you mean 'shift in awareness' or a 'shift in the content of awareness'? Because they are very different things.

As you are talking about OBEs I'm assuming that what you are referring to as shifting is your perception. Perceptions relate to objective content not awareness. Awareness is the subject not the object.


This is an interesting point and I agree that in the difference we can observe awareness more clearly. I would be interested to hear more from you on this.
Put in the word "focus" and my entire post made more sense. Consciousness is always present. It's where "you" are putting your focus that counts. When a person lies down to fall asleep, they expect as a "give me" that the next thing they will remember is waking up again. But, it doesn't have to be that way. They can shift their "focus" onto a whole new thing. If they do, they remain "consciously" aware of the new reality they are experiencing. This is evident in "Phasing".

When i said we have a choice in the matter, I meant we have a choice to decide on what our focus is going to go. We can either opt to go to sleep peacefully and briefly lose our "conscious recall" or we can opt to stay completely aware of what will occur next. The thing here is with most people the peaceful uneventful sleep wins out. They aren't even conscious that there was a choice in the first place. It is just a "given" to them. Part of the natural system. It's built into us. That's why a "glitch" is needed to awaken us to other possibilities. Call it "a happy accident"!  :-)
"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."  Nicolai Tesla

floriferous

Quote from: Nameless on March 21, 2021, 17:35:29
Straight to the question.

In my mind yes we lose conscious awareness ""of our physical"" self. Which only allows our other quieter non-physical awareness to kick in and move around freely. It's there all the time, it just fades into the background as we go about our day.

The only reason we don't always wake up with full on remembrance is quite literally that our body needs that down time. The moment it comes back online that other quieter non physical awareness simply recedes and must sometimes be teased back into remembrance.


Interesting. Maybe this accounts for my confusion with Lumazas post. Please define for me in your view the difference between awareness and conscious awareness

Nameless

How to describe awareness. I am sure you realize how big that question really is.

You open your eyes see the sky you are aware. You don't open your eyes, you hear nothing and yet you immediately know if someone enters your 'space'.

Awareness does not fully happen in our mind. Our entire being has awareness, physical, spiritual, mental.

So conscious just means physically awake and aware. We can also be awake with little awareness. We usually just think of that as not paying attention.
Remember, You came here to this physical earth to experience it in its physical form. NPR will always be there.

floriferous

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Quote from: Nameless on March 21, 2021, 18:21:16
How to describe awareness. I am sure you realize how big that question really is.

You open your eyes see the sky you are aware. You don't open your eyes, you hear nothing and yet you immediately know if someone enters your 'space'.

Awareness does not fully happen in our mind. Our entire being has awareness, physical, spiritual, mental.

So conscious just means physically awake and aware. We can also be awake with little awareness. We usually just think of that as not paying attention.

Okay thanks for the clarification. So when you say sometimes you can be awake with little awareness are you saying awareness is reduced and therefore altered by the body and mind or are you saying that the physical body impedes your perception of awareness through this vessel but does not directly alter it?

Also you say awareness doesn't fully happen in the mind. Do you think the mind arose before awareness?

LightBeam

floriferous, could you describe in your opinion in the simplest way, what is the difference between a regular dream and a lucid dream. And also describe how do we become lucid. And when I say "we", I mean the way we perceive ourselves at this time in the physical world.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Nameless

Quote from: floriferous on March 21, 2021, 18:34:08
Okay thanks for the clarification. So when you say sometimes you can be awake with little awareness are you saying awareness is reduced and therefore altered by the body and mind or are you saying that the physical body impedes your perception of awareness through this vessel but does not directly alter it?
No, I'm just saying sometimes we don't pay attention. Focus as Lumaza says.
Remember, You came here to this physical earth to experience it in its physical form. NPR will always be there.

LightBeam

Lets just say that we as physical characters during sleep are not always aware that we are aware, until we shift our focus into what we want to observe. Physical characters have imposed limitations of perception on purpose in order to perceive linear events for learning. But did you know that you exist as we speak into multiple realities simultaneously. Are you aware of what the "you" in those other realities are doing right now. No you are not, and this is the "opt out" thing Lumaza is talking about.
During regular dreams, we act as if whatever scenarios is playing is our true reality. We are not aware that ours bodies are sleeping right now and these scenarios we are being placed into are somewhat off. So, in these instances our physicals character does not have the awareness that we are dreaming. But the dream character however has it own awareness. So, you see, each point of consciousness has awareness but at a different, limited, only to itself focus. When the focus changes, so is the awareness shifting. When we do techniques to keep our awareness during dreams, then the moment we realize we are dreaming, we become lucid and from that point on, our dream character becomes aware that its physical body is sleeping, has the memories of its physical life and can start navigating the astral experiences. This is just the nature of physical characters. So, we are not always aware that we are aware. And that may sound contradiction, but this is the nature and complexity of the multiverse.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

floriferous

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Quote from: LightBeam on March 21, 2021, 18:35:18
floriferous, could you describe in your opinion in the simplest way, what is the difference between a regular dream and a lucid dream. And also describe how do we become lucid. And when I say "we", I mean the way we perceive ourselves at this time in the physical world.

That's a good question.

I know you want me to say from unconscious awareness to conscious awareness but for me awareness is not what changes. Rather it is thoughts, sensations, and perception that change. And they are of the mind. It is not a change in the state of awareness that changes between dreaming and lucid dreaming but a change in the state of mind. And I would describe the process as a clarity occurring in these mental faculties. How we become lucid is not that clear cut. But I would say it relies on mental faculties. Like the technique of telling yourself when I see my hands in my dream I will become lucid. This involves perception and thought- mental processes. That is how we as we perceive ourselves as a body/mind become lucid in dreams.

That is my simple answer.

If your explore your experience now of dreaming, lucid dreaming, and the waking state you can not dispute that awareness is present in each of these states of mind. However, thoughts, sensations, and perception in these three states is intermittent and wavering. So if awareness is consistent and the mental faculties are not then why would we come to the assumption that it is awareness that is intermittent, wavering or changing between these states?

You can have awareness without thought. You can have awareness without sensations. You can have awareness without perception. But you can not have thoughts, sensations, or perceptions without awareness.

It is the primacy of all things. Thoughts, sensations, and perceptions appear within awareness not appear to it. A quick check of your own experience validates this. If we suggest that awareness changes between dreaming and lucid dreaming then what is implied by that is that the content of awareness (in this case the body/mind) is changing the very thing it is made out of.

And bringing it back to my first post - for me it's a misperception at the heart of this.

floriferous

Quote from: LightBeam on March 21, 2021, 19:22:09
Lets just say that we as physical characters during sleep are not always aware that we are aware, until we shift our focus into what we want to observe. Physical characters have imposed limitations of perception on purpose in order to perceive linear events for learning. But did you know that you exist as we speak into multiple realities simultaneously. Are you aware of what the "you" in those other realities are doing right now. No you are not, and this is the "opt out" thing Lumaza is talking about.


Good stuff. I do disagree though.

I don't think it is helpful to say 'did you know that you exist as we speak into multiple realities simultaneously' because the answer is no, i have no awareness of it. Isn't direct experience the best benchmark for reality? That is not within my awareness and so there is no evidence to suggest it exists. No one can say anything exists outside of awareness. For me to say that would require awareness of it.

If there is a chair but you have never had or never will have awareness of it then does it have any reality?

All the things i'm saying are not magical or mystical. I am saying that in my direct experience I have not experienced the absence of awareness. It is always present and the only thing that changes is the content. And the fact that we have things like time and matter and an 'I' at the centre of this entity are just a misperception. There is a reality to them from the perspective of this character but not from the perspective of awareness.


Quote from: LightBeam on March 21, 2021, 19:22:09

During regular dreams, we act as if whatever scenarios is playing is our true reality. We are not aware that ours bodies are sleeping right now and these scenarios we are being placed into are somewhat off. So, in these instances our physicals character does not have the awareness that we are dreaming. But the dream character however has it own awareness. So, you see, each point of consciousness has awareness but at a different, limited, only to itself focus. When the focus changes, so is the awareness shifting. When we do techniques to keep our awareness during dreams, then the moment we realize we are dreaming, we become lucid and from that point on, our dream character becomes aware that its physical body is sleeping, has the memories of its physical life and can start navigating the astral experiences. This is just the nature of physical characters. So, we are not always aware that we are aware. And that may sound contradiction, but this is the nature and complexity of the multiverse.

Well it seems we agree a limitation is occurring but just disagree on the source of this limitation.

I would agree that for example you can be walking in the forest with a friend in deep conversation and your attention is so focused on the conversation that you barely notice the forest. But this is not a limitation of awareness. It is a limitation of perception. In this case perception is veiling awareness but not changing it. And the same applies to your example of going from dreaming to lucid dreaming. The only thing that changes is the content.

If you were to remove thoughts, sensations, and perceptions from your experience you would just be left with awareness. Raw unfiltered awareness. So what would cause awareness to change in some way? How would you change your state of awareness? And what would that change look like? Try now to change your awareness without the use of thoughts, sensations, or perceptions.

Because for me change only occurs on the level of thought, sensation, and perception. And like I said in my previous response to you, thoughts, sensations, and perceptions occur within awareness and are made of it and therefore are entirely dependent upon it. I refer you to the movie screen analogy.


LightBeam

Well, here are the synonyms of the word awareness in the English language. I think we are all describing awareness from our own perspectives.


Synonyms & Antonyms of awareness a state of being aware
while strolling in the big city, maintain an awareness of what's going on around you

Synonyms for awareness
advertence, advertency, attention, cognizance, consciousness, ear, eye, heed, knowledge, mindfulness, note, notice, observance, observation

Words Related to awareness
hyperawareness, hyperconsciousness
advisement, care, concern, consideration, regard, watch
apprehension, discernment, grasp, mind, perception, recognition, thought, understanding
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

floriferous

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Quote from: LightBeam on March 22, 2021, 10:18:05
Well, here are the synonyms of the word awareness in the English language. I think we are all describing awareness from our own perspectives.


Synonyms & Antonyms of awareness a state of being aware
while strolling in the big city, maintain an awareness of what's going on around you

Synonyms for awareness
advertence, advertency, attention, cognizance, consciousness, ear, eye, heed, knowledge, mindfulness, note, notice, observance, observation

Words Related to awareness
hyperawareness, hyperconsciousness
advisement, care, concern, consideration, regard, watch
apprehension, discernment, grasp, mind, perception, recognition, thought, understanding

Well true, this may come down to personal definitions. But I would say as a caveat to the definitions laid out here that modern definitions of awareness are based on the recognized science of the time and the science of now is the matter model of consciousness so it will define awareness/consciousness in relation to objective content because it says that consciousness is derived from matter and entirely dependent upon it.

World -> Body -> Mind -> Spark of consciousness

rather than:

Consciousness -> Everything else

As I don't subscribe to this model (and my assumption is a lot of people of this forum dont either given their non-physical exploits) I personally don't value modern definitions too highly...but none the less I see what you're saying

floriferous

Quote from: Lumaza on March 21, 2021, 17:51:45
Put in the word "focus" and my entire post made more sense. Consciousness is always present. It's where "you" are putting your focus that counts. When a person lies down to fall asleep, they expect as a "give me" that the next thing they will remember is waking up again. But, it doesn't have to be that way. They can shift their "focus" onto a whole new thing. If they do, they remain "consciously" aware of the new reality they are experiencing. This is evident in "Phasing".

Yes, true it does make more sense. Thank you.

I suppose now my questions is what are you focusing? If consciousness is always present then what is doing the focusing? Is it not your mind? Correct me if i'm wrong but it sounds like you are saying consciousness is one thing and the focus you apply is a subset of that. Creating a veiling or unveiling of that consciousness if you like. After all, isn't applying focus to something an activity whereas consciousness is just 'being'? Are you not aware right now? You don't have to focus in order to be aware. It is the natural 'state'. You have to make an effort to veil it. And we veil it in society by doing things. We shift our focus onto objects all the time defocusing what is ever present.

I suppose, like in all of my posts, i'm just trying to point to awareness only being veiled by its contents not altered by it. And I think a lot of things being mentioned here including the word 'focus' are in fact part of the contents and don't directly apply to awareness itself (from the perspective of the character).


Lumaza

 So I just finished my Phase soak session for today and in it, I found my mind hijacked by this current conversation here. I was then shown things with more clarity. This will either help you understand or confuse you even further, lol! I always enjoy those mental conversations though. The 3D Void or vastness is a perfect setting for them.

Think of our system as a well oiled machine. The make-up of our machines is three components. Let's call them Body, Mind and Spirit. Each of these components has it's own level of awareness. Sometimes that certain level of awareness isn't consciously apparent to us. It seems to have been dulled down or completely turned off. Our system is a very complexed machine. Kudos to the Creators!  :-)

So, to the system. The Body, well that's the vessel. That's the physical part of the machine. Our appendages help us attain the bodies physical activities. The Body could be seen as the mechanical part of the program. As being a mechanical device, it has a "downtime" as well. Like a machine, this downtime can be used to not only recharge, but in our case also "regenerate", as in cellular growth and regrowth. During that time, our awareness is "stunned". With good reason though. i have spent sleepless void like nights wherein I could feel the changes being made to my cells and even body parts. I was that aware.

I know personally from staying awake all night and aware, via Lding, that it is very tiring on the system. Mostly on the mind though. The Body was still regenerating, as the body does. But the emotions within the experiences really spilled into the waking physical reality as well. That created in essence a mood or the theme of the day. It was also very confusing. The "realities" never stopped. It was just jumping from one to the next.

Next we come to the Mind. This is the "Interface" of the system. This is the mental part of the system. This keeps the physical vessel going. This is the "filter" between the Body and the Spirit. This is where the decision making occurs. Think of it like our form of a "internet". It gets information from both sides. It knows when to shut the physical system down and when to wake it up again. It is the "control panel" of the system. it seems to need a brief down time as well.

Now comes to the Spirit. You could call it the Matrix. By looking at it that way, the Akashic Records become much easier to attain. Just plug in to them. The Spirit is the true "I AM". It is always present, but not always heard. This isn't necessarily the creator of system. This is the one that has created a path of sorts that this system will follow. The "Operator". This never needs a down time. This is always omnipresent and aware.

I talked earlier about a "glitch". It normally takes a glitch in the system to show us something anew. This glitch could come from all sorts of things, a NDE, a spontaneous, OBE with all the trimmings, a disease or accident that creates a breakdown in one part of the system or another, seeing a Ghost or a UFO, all kinds of things. These glitches are what lead to a change in our reality here. This is when the "Spirit" of the system seems to be more evident.

You can also learn to reprogram that system. That is evident in this practice we are doing here today. I always say "change your mindset, changes your reality". This is exactly what I mean when I say that. You really can learn to reprogram that system, if you really want to.
"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."  Nicolai Tesla

fowlskins

interesting the idea about mental tiredness from continuous awareness
so do you think it would be unhealthy mentally to have a conscious projection everynight ? do we still need that downtime
ive always woken feeling pretty euphoric from an ap but i never have them frequently enough to notice any kind of fatigue
or are you talking more about insomnia with boughts of lucid dreams in between so there is no noticeable break in between ?

Lumaza

Quote from: fowlskins on March 23, 2021, 04:24:25
interesting the idea about mental tiredness from continuous awareness
so do you think it would be unhealthy mentally to have a conscious projection everynight ? do we still need that downtime
ive always woken feeling pretty euphoric from an ap but i never have them frequently enough to notice any kind of fatigue
or are you talking more about insomnia with boughts of lucid dreams in between so there is no noticeable break in between ?
The "mental fatigue" occurred from bouts of LDs that seemed to occur all the way up to my morning awakening, when i got out of bed. It was just too much for the mind to comprehend. At least when it was occurring almost every night during that period that is. There didn't seem to be a "break in between" them. I got to see "be careful what you wish for" up close and personal!  :-P

Nowadays, I have LDs almost every night, but thankfully, there are breaks in between them. There is a good amount of time that I am "clicked out" of my conscious awareness. They still can set the mood for the day though. I fully understand why we don't remain consciously aware, with a full recall of what we experienced during the nights, of everything that occurred while our physical body sleeps. It's just too much for the system to bare.
"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."  Nicolai Tesla