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[Eol007]

Hi,

I am not familair with Ophiel's books, but thought that you deserved a reply. Anyones else familiar with this type of Creative Visualization?

Cheers,

S []

[Michael_E]

Ophiel's book is pretty good, one of the first occult practical books on AP(that i know of at least). If his methods arnt working for you why not take a look at Robert Bruce's book. its a bit more thorough.

[sinister_steve]

hi all,i have been trying to astral project for about a year now with no real results,ive been using ophiels art and practice of astral projection,the little system,which is you find 6 dfferent spots in youre house and put a symbole on the wall in each different spot,and stare at each one for 5min each every day,and then at night bring to mind the symboles and spots then visualise youre etheric body leaving youre physical body and watch it doing the route you have set up,and then after a while of this try to transfer youre consciouse mind to the etheric body you have been watching,but ive been doing this every day and night for darn near a year and not much has come from it,the only thing ive been doing out of his book and has worked is lucid dreaming,but as soon as i realise im dreaming and consciouse in the dream,i loose the lucidity,do you guys have any sugestions?or methods that work better or may work better for me?thanks steve