Hi! My name is Dustin and I've read a ton of information of Frank's and Xanth's and would just like to introduce myself to be an inquiring learner of Astral Projection. :-D I've been practicing for the last couple of weeks using various resources I've manage to find online, using various exit techniques, ect. You know the whole ideal. And I've come across phasing for the first time yesterday and I managed to attempt it before falling asleep and it was pretty intense. I was REALLY tired because it was like 3-4AM last night and I immediately went into sleep paralysis as I was laying down and "Noticing" (As Frank& Xanth) describe the technique. Uhm. I think I had partial success to say the least. ^^ As I was laying down I noticed the patterns in my eyes, and my body felt extremely heavy (which I have accommodated to as being a normal part of falling asleep), and I had this INTENSE PRESSURE on the top of my head. And it felt like someone was pushing me down, like it was so intense. And I sort of freaked out momentarily and checked my surroundings just to be sure it wasn't physical but astral and sure enough the sensation stopped when I moved. So I got into my trance with the "3D Blackness" again and I felt the same intense pressure on the top of my head. I don't know how exactly to explain it, except perhaps a shift in consciousness. After that, my whole body felt gripped by some unknown force and it felt like I sunk beneath by bed? Yeah. It felt like I had melted into a tub of butter. Lol. I went with it because as far as I'm concerned it was the most progress I've made in a while. Like, my heart rate increased and I had those scenes in my head as Xanth and Frank had described. So with that being said, I have a few questions regarding phasing.
1. When you actually phase are you in the "Astral World" meaning can you travel, meet your spirit guide, visit loved ones, ect
Or is it just a WILD?
2. In contrast to a classic OOBE or OOBE technique is phasing essentially a different process but leads to the same destination (The Astral plane)?
3. To certify as an actual vibration do you actually have to have some intense force overcome you or can it be mild tingling as I have experienced like low voltage electricity running through me?
Well, I hope to get to know all of you sentimentally, and I look forward to hearing from this forum!
Btw, this forum has awesome oodles on information for beginners to come to and learn. :) ~ Thanks :-)
Quote from: dmorris on May 15, 2011, 00:53:53
Hi! My name is Dustin and I've read a ton of information of Frank's and Xanth's and would just like to introduce myself to be an inquiring learner of Astral Projection. :-D I've been practicing for the last couple of weeks using various resources I've manage to find online, using various exit techniques, ect. You know the whole ideal. And I've come across phasing for the first time yesterday and I managed to attempt it before falling asleep and it was pretty intense. I was REALLY tired because it was like 3-4AM last night and I immediately went into sleep paralysis as I was laying down and "Noticing" (As Frank& Xanth) describe the technique. Uhm. I think I had partial success to say the least. ^^ As I was laying down I noticed the patterns in my eyes, and my body felt extremely heavy (which I have accommodated to as being a normal part of falling asleep), and I had this INTENSE PRESSURE on the top of my head. And it felt like someone was pushing me down, like it was so intense. And I sort of freaked out momentarily and checked my surroundings just to be sure it wasn't physical but astral and sure enough the sensation stopped when I moved. So I got into my trance with the "3D Blackness" again and I felt the same intense pressure on the top of my head. I don't know how exactly to explain it, except perhaps a shift in consciousness. After that, my whole body felt gripped by some unknown force and it felt like I sunk beneath by bed? Yeah. It felt like I had melted into a tub of butter. Lol. I went with it because as far as I'm concerned it was the most progress I've made in a while. Like, my heart rate increased and I had those scenes in my head as Xanth and Frank had described. So with that being said, I have a few questions regarding phasing.
1. When you actually phase are you in the "Astral World" meaning can you travel, meet your spirit guide, visit loved ones, ect
Or is it just a WILD?
2. In contrast to a classic OOBE or OOBE technique is phasing essentially a different process but leads to the same destination (The Astral plane)?
3. To certify as an actual vibration do you actually have to have some intense force overcome you or can it be mild tingling as I have experienced like low voltage electricity running through me?
Well, I hope to get to know all of you sentimentally, and I look forward to hearing from this forum!
Btw, this forum has awesome oodles on information for beginners to come to and learn. :) ~ Thanks :-)
Well you just asked a couple questions that people here have been debating many Xs before.
Personally for me if you dont get to the vibrational stage and exit your body, then anything else I just consider a meaningless dream. For me, I get little vibes throughout the body along with tingling, than numbness, all leading up to the big vibration. When that finishes I'll exit my body and start exploring.
As for your #(3) paragraph- Those would be what I would call symptoms leading up to the Big vibration where you seperate. So, sounds like your on the right track. When the big vibration comes theyl be no mistaking it with the other ones. It Feels like theres a bolt of energy going through your body with an incredible screeching in your ears and it could last a while. Sometimes during it youl feel your body spinning n turning and through all this you have to remain calm. When it finishes, u exit. Only after all that would it be an obe for me.
Not all agree -this post will get many responds giving many different answers or suggestions on how you can actually achieve an obe. Some even consider just any dream as obe as long as your lucid. So basically its all up to what your gonna have to consider real or just your imagination.
Regardless what your doing is working. Nxt time you go to bed, do what your doing and never lose awareness. Sooner or later youl hit the vibrational stage and after that, your out.
...or theirs always Summerlanders way.. :-D
The 3D Blackness (Focus 21) is something that I have only recently stumbled upon and after reading Xanth's Primer I was able to recreate the experience a few times since. I wish I would have discovered it sooner because it is without a doubt the most useful state that I could imagine (<-pun?).
Focus 21 has been described as a gateway, which I think is s perfect description because it really is a gateway to everything. When in 3D blackness you can pick any destination and then start noticing it into being and then you kind of just get sucked into the scene. If you want to be taken somewhere then think it and soon a picture will show up, with depth, it's like a 3D image and I just start focusing my attention on something in the back of the scene, and eventually you just get kind of "moved" into it.
As for vibrations, sometimes I feel them and sometimes I don't. For me they are not a requirement for me to Phase/Project. Have fun with it, it's an awesome place to just chill too.
Hi dmorris...
Quote from: dmorris on May 15, 2011, 00:53:53
1. When you actually phase are you in the "Astral World" meaning can you travel, meet your spirit guide, visit loved ones, ect
Or is it just a WILD?
2. In contrast to a classic OOBE or OOBE technique is phasing essentially a different process but leads to the same destination (The Astral plane)?
3. To certify as an actual vibration do you actually have to have some intense force overcome you or can it be mild tingling as I have experienced like low voltage electricity running through me?
1 & 2. I think so... By all accounts it is the same 'destination' so to speak. Any attempt I make to phase also pushes me straight into SP. Maybe some people don't consciously experience SP and some do.
3. The electrical vibrational sensations are a physiological sensation caused by rapid on/off firing between muscle neurons. All frequencies constitute the state.
You experienced the intense downward force or pressure which is a massive indication of deep state SP.
Quote from: Bedeekin on May 15, 2011, 07:43:383. The electrical vibrational sensations are a physiological sensation caused by rapid on/off firing between muscle neurons. All frequencies constitute the state.
You were saying, Tee...? ;D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 15, 2011, 15:31:23
You were saying, Tee...? ;D
...Different strokes for different folks.
Ok, Picasso.
I personally do not or have not ever gone through the vibrational stage before projecting. I have felt it many many times but for me it never leads to a projection!
Welcome Dmorris I am sure I have already welcomed you but it never hurts to be welcomed! :-)
Never leads to a projection? That's strange because I almost always project after vibrations. People are different I guess. Today I had an OOBE. I'm yet to report it. I didn't get the mobile phone vibes but I experienced waves of warmth flowing and a pulsatile hiss in my head. Then rumbling before sliding away from the original position (involuntarily), being sucked back in, and then getting up completely to find that it was a full separation (reminiscent of the way the dad separates to rescue his son in Insidious).
Quote from: Summerlander on May 17, 2011, 11:02:36
Never leads to a projection? That's strange because I almost always project after vibrations.
Could you explain what you do and when you do it?
Do you initiate a projection technique before, during or after your vibrations?
I use a pre-nap or sleep for priming as you know.
Then, I wake up, use the toilet if I have to. Depending on how 'jet-lagged' I am will influence my decision on how long sleep inertia, or the wait, should be before going down to induce.
Induction, for me, involves starting with progressive relaxation which comes easy if I'm primed. Once I'm feeling heavy and fairly relaxed, I stop my mind from wandering completely by focusing on one thing only in my head (usually the thought of my bedroom lamp). You may regard this as a form of meditation. I keep on bringing my mind back to focus everytime it wanders. This keeps me aware until suddenly there's a shift in perception...when it comes suddenly you just know you're "in the zone" so to speak that will propel you towards the OOBE-state.
Vibrations may or may not come. I never induce or kickstart them as Monroe suggested (I used to at the beginning but then I found they came to me naturally).
I almost always experience vibrations or that which could be regarded as so. Mostly, I get hissing in my head that comes irregularly, like a Doppler machine measuring an abnormal heartbeat.
If I experience the shift in conscious awareness prior to an OOBE, but no vibrations are perceived, in general, I usually start sliding or slipping out involuntarily which leads to separation. This is rare though.
Other times, I get violent mobile phone type vibrations, proper vibrations which can be as powerful as to make me feel like something is drilling into my spine. They can even seemingly cause me to rotate a few degrees away from the body axis and at times lead to involuntary separation...like a phone vibrating so much that the receiver comes off the hook.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 17, 2011, 11:02:36
Never leads to a projection? That's strange because I almost always project after vibrations. People are different I guess. Today I had an OOBE. I'm yet to report it. I didn't get the mobile phone vibes but I experienced waves of warmth flowing and a pulsatile hiss in my head. Then rumbling before sliding away from the original position (involuntarily), being sucked back in, and then getting up completely to find that it was a full separation (reminiscent of the way the dad separates to rescue his son in Insidious).
I absolutely ALWAYS project after the vibrations. Its the only way I ever did it.
Quote from: Xanth on May 17, 2011, 11:19:50
Could you explain what you do and when you do it?
Do you initiate a projection technique before, during or after your vibrations?
Xanth if you never experienced it this way then by all means -give it a shot.
If anything youl see where im coming from why I think its different than just actual dreaming or the phasing method that you do.
Do it when your going to bed tonight, aim for the vibrations. When it finishes exit. Simply just maintain awareness till they come, and when they hit, ride them out till it finishes -then just sit up. If ya dont think you can just situp, you could climb out or whatever technique you like -technically your already out after the vibrations. Its just kind of a mind game that if you get up youl be getting up with your physical body.
If you cant maintain awareness and you drift off to sleep, just try again when you wake up throughout the night. Its obviously easier to do it after waking from a couple hours of sleep cause your bodies already tired n ready to get back to sleep, but I always just do it at bedtime.
Now I dont know how it is for everybody but I get little vibrations throughout, dont mistake this for the big one. When the big one comes youl know it.
Quote from: Tee1234 on May 17, 2011, 19:37:17
Xanth if you never experienced it this way then by all means -give it a shot.
I tried for 10+ years. Classic Separation OBEs just aren't my cup of tea. ;)
That's not to say I haven't experienced a separation before. A couple times actually.
Let's just say that as sure that you are that there's a difference... I'm just as sure there isn't. It's entirely perception/experience based.
In the end though, "how" we go about projecting isn't really as important as the fact that we do. :)
Thanks so much all for your help. I apologize for the delayed response. :cry:
I have been close to success I believe except I have A REALLY BIG PROBLEM!
Please help me. :( I will be laying down in my bed, and my body will enter sleep paralysis, and I will either feel sinking/ and/or like I am floating, and I start to get excited because I feel like I am starting to separate from my body. Or phase. Anyways, the point is that I feel like I "lose it" when I near my projection...all the sensations seem to just stop, and I am in this state of sleep paralysis...the imagery is great. I just don't know what I feel I'm doing wrong. : (
@dmorris this happend to me once
I went with the sleep paralysis but then found myself sinking through what I perceived to be mud which then created the visual for me.
I went with it and it felt like I was sinking through the mud for ages but then suddenly I just dropped into a cave
When I look back at it now I know for sure it was an OOBE but at the time I just dismissed it as a bizarre half asleep hallucination.
As for the other conversation reguarding vibrations...I used to try and ride out the vibrations but I found that once they ended I was just lying there both body and mind awake...I wasn't patient enough to keep trying it that way so I separate mid vibration usually during the climax.
You are too excited and are re-focusing on the physical.
Please keep your seat belt fastened and tray tables in the upright position until the plane has reached it cruising altitude.
Unfortunately, this is going to be tough now. Now that you have got there once, you are going to go through a long tedious segment of breaking down the process as you are experiencing it. This is a normal sequence for learning proficiency at any task. It is known as the conscious competence learning matrix. It seems like a bad thing because it is frustrating, but in truth it is good because you are learning. From what I understand, this frustration is what turns many away from AP.
The first time, you most likely, just felt it out and went with it, and were so focused on that feeling, you didn't think to ponder about anything else. You could care less about what happens to the world around you. You will have to retrain yourself to achieve that focus, or better said, find a strategy that takes your mind off the world around you. I spent a dirty month in a limbo state after I went exactly what you went through. I learned a crap ton, but that didn't fix the handfuls of sweaty frustrating nights and exhausted mornings. Consider me biased, but I highly recommend my strategy at this point in the game. I wrote it to help out people in your exact position, because that was the position I was stuck in.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html)
You gotta learn to not think about your seat belt or tray table until your body naturally phases to a cruising altitude.
QuoteAnyways, the point is that I feel like I "lose it" when I near my projection...all the sensations seem to just stop, and I am in this state of sleep paralysis...the imagery is great. I just don't know what I feel I'm doing wrong. : (
Hi Dustin, welcome.
You are doing everything right. So when you feel separation is near you don't have to get excited,
just relax and you will be 'out'.
The heaviness and sinking down is good.
If you are left with sleep paralysis, you need to just relax and the process will start again.
Stop thinking about the physical body, just keep 'noticing' any images.
Cheers and Good Luck, djed :-)
Quote from: djed on June 09, 2011, 03:18:35
Hi Dustin, welcome.
You are doing everything right. So when you feel separation is near you don't have to get excited,
just relax and you will be 'out'.
The heaviness and sinking down is good.
If you are left with sleep paralysis, you need to just relax and the process will start again.
Stop thinking about the physical body, just keep 'noticing' any images.
Cheers and Good Luck, djed :-)
Thank you so much, I feel my attempts tonight will be successful. :)