I have heard many accounts of people leaving their bodies and being in their actual room or house and flying off into the surrounding areas. However, every time I've done it, I always end up in a 'made up' room and generally astral project to places that are like dreams.
Does anyone know how I can AP into my actual room? Do you think I am more likely to achieve this if I AP through the means of meditation, rather than lucid dreaming?
You want the RTZ (Real Time Zone). :wink:
You could try to use your lucid dreaming as a gateway and possibly come back to the physical body first and project from there (though not necessary for projection). This could possibly allow you a greater chance of reaching the RTZ rather than attempting to project straight from the LD.
I've done this at times and gained astral sight just before projecting which appears like physical reality or the RTZ but upon exiting i have never been able to see my room/house exactly how it is in the physical. Often it looks very similar but not exact. I've looked back at my bed expecting to see my body and my body was not there? The house may be rearranged or similar. My children (that i would assume are asleep) are up playing in their beds.
So I've attempted to exit into the RTZ and have walked, floated around my house a few times while in astral but although very, very similar i'm not sure it has never been an exact true copy of the physical at that present moment. Maybe i've been getting the RTZ overlayed with an astral copy?
Quote from: Spinney Lainey on February 04, 2013, 09:19:08
However, every time I've done it, I always end up in a 'made up' room and generally astral project to places that are like dreams.
Are they like dreams because your awareness fades and creates a dream-like feel or because they are 'made up' places?
Peace.
Quote from: newmethod on February 04, 2013, 10:32:02
You want the RTZ (Real Time Zone). :wink:
You could try to use your lucid dreaming as a gateway and possibly come back to the physical body first and project from there (though not necessary for projection). This could possibly allow you a greater chance of reaching the RTZ rather than attempting to project straight from the LD.
I've done this at times and gained astral sight just before projecting which appears like physical reality or the RTZ but upon exiting i have never been able to see my room/house exactly how it is in the physical. Often it looks very similar but not exact. I've looked back at my bed expecting to see my body and my body was not there? The house may be rearranged or similar. My children (that i would assume are asleep) are up playing in their beds.
So I've attempted to exit into the RTZ and have walked, floated around my house a few times while in astral but although very, very similar i'm not sure it has never been an exact true copy of the physical at that present moment. Maybe i've been getting the RTZ overlayed with an astral copy?
Are they like dreams because your awareness fades and creates a dream-like feel or because they are 'made up' places?
Peace.
Thanks, I'll try that and see what happens. I always exit from my body into a 'made up' room, which is not a 'real' place but a dreamscape and also, there is still a bit of a dream-like feel, even though I'm lucid and leaving my body.
Hi,
From my experience Ive never moved into the room and surrounding location through a lucid dream since our mind is already in the dream state, so thats where we find ourselves.
I have found that I can move into the real time zone through meditation and focus on leaving my body awareness or mind awake body asleep and do the same thing. Don't force it though, when your ready you just shift out and its fantastic.
Just practice :-)
Like majour ka recommends... don't force it.
Also... I presume the reason why I had clear and concise representations of the RTZ was because I was young... my head hadn't been filled with 'adult' crap... and I just assumed without any question that I was in fact floating around physical reality. It was an almost unquestionable belief that I was... and so was devoid of opinion and theory.
It wasn't until I started to develop theory and questions that the RTZ projections began to wane.
I still get them to this day... but they are very short lived.
Consider the false awakening to be a good example of your initial unquestionable assumption of reality; you simply believe you have woken up and are getting ready for school/work.
Quote from: Bedeekin on February 05, 2013, 02:09:34
Like majour ka recommends... don't force it.
Also... I presume the reason why I had clear and concise representations of the RTZ was because I was young... my head hadn't been filled with 'adult' crap... and I just assumed without any question that I was in fact floating around physical reality. It was an almost unquestionable belief that I was... and so was devoid of opinion and theory.
Amen, thats so so true! We often experience more when our minds are free...like children who often easily see spirit people
Quote from: newmethod on February 04, 2013, 10:32:02
You want the RTZ (Real Time Zone). :wink:
You could try to use your lucid dreaming as a gateway and possibly come back to the physical body first and project from there (though not necessary for projection). This could possibly allow you a greater chance of reaching the RTZ rather than attempting to project straight from the LD.
Thanks, I'll try this!
I have been leaving my body but into a dream version of a bedroom, rather than the RTZ. It is from here that I have flewn upwards into other realms. Mostly, these have had a dreamlike quality. I am therefore wondering if I have visited the astral planes, or just dreamscapes. This is the reason I would like to exit my body into the RTZ (my actual bedroom) because then I can be more sure that when I leave my body, I am projecting into the astral planes, rather than dream worlds. Am I right in thinking this? Also, I guess it would be quite cool to be able to visit 'real' places from our physical world, I guess it would prove to me a bit more that my experience of leaving my body is real.
I'm also going to have to try APing from meditation rather than from lucid dreams and see where that gets me.
The dreamscapes are the 'Astral Realm' are the Nonphysical reality. They are one and the same thing. :-)
It depends what goggles you are viewing it through and how much of your own subconscious imagery you paint it with.
The clearer the intent and focus the more 'clean' the experience.
So my theory is that the vibrations we feel while exiting is actually when we are passing through the aura in the etheric double (not to say that in actuality there is an etheric double but that the term serves the purpose of this model for communication purposes). Now we know that we can have an OBE when the vibrations peak or shortly after they subside. That in fact at the point of peak vibrations we are already in a NPR state. That the unconscious has just recreated the experience of being in the body and perfectly phased our "conscious field" into it.
I would assume at this point that we are actually within the etheric double. Normally if I want to RTZ I will pump a bunch of unfocused energy into the projection when the vibrations peak, or use "love" higher frequency energy to have an astral experience. It would seem that the etheric double needs denser unrefined energy to move about in the RTZ, while the higher non physical shells use higher frequency energy to move about. This makes sense if you think that the physical body needs the most dense and unrefined energy sources such as plant and animal matter.
Hrmph. therefore feed your etheric double with willpower / unrefined psycho emotional energy to "wake it up". That is assuming my model is accurate.
My understanding and research has led me to the conclusion that the vibrations are physiological and are down to depolarised neurones and/or residual physical sensations. It's far to understood by actual science as to what the vibrations are to be anything else.
Of course... the esoteric descriptions are so much more exciting and 'mystical'... so any other description tends to be pushed aside for the less mundane truth.
Quote from: Bedeekin on February 10, 2013, 05:25:19
My understanding and research has led me to the conclusion that the vibrations are physiological and are down to depolarised neurones and/or residual physical sensations. It's far to understood by actual science as to what the vibrations are to be anything else.
Of course... the esoteric descriptions are so much more exciting and 'mystical'... so any other description tends to be pushed aside for the less mundane truth.
Are you trolling or being serious? Please explain why you believe that depolarized neurons would cause the mental sensation of vibrations? Same for 'residual physical sensations' that's pretty generic. As far as science goes we know that there are multiple dimensions and that everything is just vibrating energy. Sounds pretty 'mystical' to me.
No
I am not trolling.
Disagreeing because of extensive experience and research isn't trolling.
Read anything I have written about SP and vibrations prior to this post and you will see that I am just reinforcing what I have already written. Spent time writing.. spent hard work researching. Not the odd 'my theory is...." but actual study and hard work.
I've spent 28 years constantly experiencing Vibrations... also I have looked for a reason for them. I have been through the different theories... including the one you propose. I have put these theories to the test and researched DILIGENTLY what the reason for them is. I have arrived at a very specific answer that fits the bill. :-)
Why do people now translate disagreeing because of extensive experience and research as Trolling? Trolling is when it is an idiot trying to wind somebody up for the sake of it.
You happen to be reinforcing things that are at the top of my Hate list that's all. Vibrations and Demons.
My two cents...
Just because certain sensations we feel can be explained in accurate scientific terms doesn't mean anything in particular. Depending on you own views, science actually compliments many things that they are intended to discredit.
Instead of being offended Steelhawk could look at what Beedeekin is saying and see it as the way 'God' gave us the ability to experience these sensations while we have physical bodies.
Just because science can prove without any doubt how something works, science does nothing to explain why it works that way. There is always another question that follows that science will never answer.
Just because certain laws of physics govern the way things are, the fact that the laws exist do not say why they exist. I'm getting redundant here.
Quote from: Spinney Lainey on February 04, 2013, 09:19:08
Does anyone know how I can AP into my actual room?
New idea.
Believe that you can and will. :-)
Quote from: newmethod on February 11, 2013, 10:44:58
New idea.
Believe that you can and will. :-)
This is actually the only true answer. It's very difficult because you have to truly believe... which is very different from just trying to believe. It needs to be unquestionable.
As soon as you try analysing "is this really my room/house" doubt begins to construct itself exponentially as a reality. The only way to combat this is to analyse purely unassumingly with clear intent to simply record data. This can be accomplished by meditating.