How many of you know, by first hand experience, that there is life after death, life out of the physical body, and that this physical life ain't all there is to it?
Hi, I've been into and out of AP related content for several years now. But it suddenly hit me really hard, that I need to know if there is a life after death. I used to believe 100% in it, and in the astral planes, I've read Frank Kepple Resource thing, and it made a whole lot of sense to me, and took that for granted as the truth for a while. Later on i got disinterested in these things, listed to a whole lot of DeGrasse Tyson, and other stuff, which wore down the belief in the "life after death"
Since I've been aware of this forum for so many years, and I've seen many people here claiming to have OBE's AP's (I've had little to no experience with it) I knew this was the place to ask...
How many of you know, by first hand experience, that there is life after death, life out of the physical body, and that this physical life ain't all there is to it?
Looking forward to reading you all's responses. :|
I can say this is real through energy works.. Try pranic healing, reiki, qi qong, violet flame and mantras. This stuff makes you sense and feel non physical energy that the conventional science never believed in.. As a pranic healer myself i healed several people already and they felt the energy even the skeptics. This is enough for me to know that we are more than just the physical body
You can do this yourself to find out and answer many more questions.
Have a read and if interested, join in. You get tailored help and not let down trying things that don't suit you.http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/destynee-s-plan-f65.html
I never believed in the non physical before. But I kept trying, trying and trying until I experienced it myself. I'm not asking you to listen to me or anybody. Experience it for yourself
Thanks you all, i appreciate the responses. But im not actually looking for push and a "do it yourself, and you'll know" i was looking for YOUR perspectives on the matter, i was looking for one of you to tell me something like.. "Yea, after life is real, I've been there during my AP's" or something like so. Just reading Monroe's books ain't enough. I gotta hear it from a collective of people.
So, how about story time?
You may have heard the phrase, "A collection of anecdotes does not a statistic make".
A large group of people can be very wrong, deceived, lying, etc, and so having more reports shouldn't be more convincing to a person who appreciates the empiricism of a speaker like Tyson.
I do appreciate the spirit of this topic though, so wouldn't mind sharing my own meager offerings a bit latter when I have more time.
I have always lived by the idiom "I believe half of what I hear but everything I see". I know that's an alteration/adaptation from Benjamin Franklin's famous quote "Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see".
Nothing I heard in the past, no matter how fantastical it sounds could prepare me for experiencing it myself. No matter what anyone has written in any of the many books on Astral Projection could prepare me as well. They were great guidelines and I learned many techniques, but to do it for yourself answers your belief in full. Experiencing the "vibrations" and the other signposts for the first time will show you that yes something real is happening here. That "you aren't in Kansas anymore", lol.
I know how the many people that come to the Astral Pulse and other Astral Projection related Forums and websites hate to hear that, but it's true. You are the only one that has to believe this. That's why I stand by Szaxx and DPK.38's answer of "you need to experience it for yourself". If you don't, the posts you read in this thread will just be stories that you will still question whether they are "real/true" or not.
I actually have experienced the vibrations many many times... both intentionally and unintentionally. I've had some experience with this, but like i said, not a lot. This one time, i believe i was taken out of my body with help of guides, or whoever it was, they seemed like they had good intentions. As they took me out, fear got the best of me, and i returned back down into myself. That happened like 5 years a go. So on an off i've been chasing this stuff around. Geez, haha why wont anybody here just hope up and say "Yea, this shitzz be realzz yo, this is what happened and why i believe so bla bla." I got the message, yea i should figure out myself, that's the best way to find out. But isn't this site made so we would gather and communicate? So, lets do that shall we? :P <3
Thanks for the responses again. Looking forward to your thoughts.
Quote from: rem92 on August 19, 2015, 04:55:03
But isn't this site made so we would gather and communicate? So, lets do that shall we? :P <3
Thanks for the responses again. Looking forward to your thoughts.
There's a problem with this.
I know it might sound very arrogant but I'm just honest and I KNOW I speak just the truth for many of the experienced members here when I say this:
This topic is tiring.
That's why I assume you won't get a lot satisfying answers for you anymore on here.
Happened before. Every now and then a "skeptic" believer (Randi follower, or Dawkins, Krauss, Tyson, whoever is "en vogue" at the moment in the atheist community) comes to this forum saying 'prove to me' or 'is this "real"'? etc. pp.
I know it sounds arrogant, but this is NOT what the Pulse was and is really about in the first place. We are not here to 'convince' reductionst people who prefer to remain imprisoned in their little mind cage. That's why you might get as a reaction an invisible facepalm ("oh, not again") by many people. :wink:
As said, it sounds arrogant but is only true: We are far more advanced here in our experience ... and personal knowledge. Yes, many of us also read up on regular and so-called "fringe" science to accompany our experiences, and we do not care if it is 'ackknowledged' by 'mainstream' science, such as you obviously do care. Many people here like e.g. Tom Campbell (physicist) and his digital theory. Check it out if you will.
But 'scientists' like Dawkins, Tyson (although they have their deserved credits in their field) etc. mislead people when they pretend to be qualified to talk metaphysics. They don't. They have no clue. They are just 'gurus' of the other kind, feeding into their sheep with the dull materialist belief system.
Why should we care (anymore) for them? We don't. It's that simple. There is a schism taking place in society and this gap gets deeper day by day. So it is like this: either you lag behind and still believe (!) in this dull materialism and fall for its 'speakers' or you don't. Simple as that. The paradigm will change in a few years to come. There is no doubt.
Anyway, to help you, here's a collection website of many (!) validation experiences. I highly recommend it although it is long, it's a good read and it is exactly what you are asking for: personal stories, validations, evidence. I posted it here before in threads 'like these'. I'm tired of it, but anyway, here we go:
http://da-lai.lima-city.de/
You also could have used the search function on AP to find validations. Did you consider dong that? Here is even a thread on validations somwhere. But the fact that you seemingly did not even bother to do this search shows to me that your real intentions seem not to be of open-minded inquiry but rather you have made up your mind already and just want to have some fun with stirring in the bee's nest on here, do you? :wink:
I also recommend to you to read the genuine (!) research (not the pseudo-skeptic articles or books!) on NDE and Remote Viewing which yields tons of evidence. But I fear you won't do this either and prefer to watch DAwkins and Krauss videos to re-inforce your belief system.
Sorry for the rant, nothing personal, maybe you are an honest searcher and still open-minded, but watching the reductionist 'scientists' vids seems to show us otherwise. And as said, it happened on here before and we did long discussions and many here are tired of it and I assume would not even have bothered to open the thread for reading by its title.
We are further down the rabbit hole and don't need more evidence or deliver evidence to scoffers.
(I won't answer in this thread again, consider this in your reply please, because it's as I said: like many here I'm tired of it, but still hope my link will help you a bit).
I can tell you it's REAL.
Too bad that knowledge won't help YOU. :)
Understand?
This question has been debated and discussed to death, from philosophers thousands of years ago to lines/plots in a handful of movies every year. No one can prove anything, anyone can 'say' whatever they want. Everyone BELIEVES in something, the Belief in nothing is no different and with no more proof than the belief in something.
It's VERY real.
Look at it from another angle.
An astronomer will NEVER know for sure what's out there.
An astronaut KNOWS through experiencing the unknown directly.
You've had the initial stages pass you by and fear took you away. Try again, fear is your own doing, what you think you will see can manifest before you're through the door.
It's perfectly normal, this stupid fear thing is built in as a survival instinct and that's it. Drop the fear and go forwards, after all, you are only scareing yourself.
Become the astronaut that's in all of us, fear has no place and you'll see this barrier destroyed once you succeed.
Hit the home button before you use the search box. This opens up the whole site not the section you're in. You'll get better results.
QuoteBut 'scientists' like Dawkins, Tyson (although they have their deserved credits in their field) etc. mislead people when they pretend to be qualified to talk metaphysics. They don't. They have no clue. They are just 'gurus' of the other kind, feeding into their sheep with the dull materialist belief system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-jKmcNr_8
Sometimes they behave as true scientists, and aren't afraid to do the Socratic thing and admit there are great mysteries out there they haven't answered. For instance, in this panel, Richard Dawkins and Bill Nye both openly admit that the nature of consciousness is baffling. Tyson suggests that consciousness is some sort of persistent illusion, and Bill Nye immediately points out how ridiculous that suggestion is lol.
I believe that this Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson is so "grounded" here to the physical, that his higher self won't even "allow" him to Dream, lol. :roll:
As everyone said here... You have to experience it yourself.
I believe this is very real, but this is my personal opinion.
I've experienced projection multiple times and I've felt like I was dying each and every time.
I still kept focusing until I achieved the projections and there I was.
I think for a brief second I was dead on every successful attempts, but time would slow down immensely in order for me to experience the projection and go back to my body before the critical moment.
The reason why I feel that this reality/life we live in is real is because it's different.
We always come back here. We wake up everyday in the same body. We dream, in a totally different dimension, then we are pulled back to reality.
It's not only different in the way that it feels different. It's different because we are in control of what we can achieve.
To me life after death is as much real as our reality because there cannot be "nothing" there was never a "nothing".
There was always something, there will always be. It's what life is...
It feels a lot like the "Matrix" way of thinking. We might even be some kind of "programs" booted by a super dimensional computer in order to answer a question!
We always think about a "Before" the universe was created. "Before" god even existed. "Before" the big-bang.
When we should be thinking "Right now, what does the universe look like", or What's next?
It's that perpetuous idea that grabs your mind for a millisecond and you tell yourself: Man! I've found it! Then you tell yourself: "Damn! I just forgot it!"
Life is THE eternal cycle that will always restart until we find that answer... Or, it will aways restart for the specific person until it finds it's own part of the answer.
We are all part of it. We are all able to think differently, every possible reincarnations, we are there and we change our way of thinking every time.
Until we hit the nail and understand what it is.
We evolve, we change. Until the universe is stable.
Until the universe is in balance.
There's is always an opposite to everything, and in every opposite there's a little part of the other side in it.
To me, no question matter more than this whole understanding of the universe laws, the universe composition and the dimensions/astral.
Is it real. I don't think there could be anything more real than the only only consciousness you'll ever get to be/control.
You'll never be someone else, you'll always be your own. You'll evolve within this consciousness.
Quote from: Volgerle on August 19, 2015, 09:53:01
You also could have used the search function on AP to find validations. Did you consider dong that? Here is even a thread on validations somewhere. But the fact that you seemingly did not even bother to do this search shows to me that your real intentions seem not to be of open-minded inquiry but rather you have made up your mind already and just want to have some fun with stirring in the bee's nest on here, do you? :wink:
First of all, thanks for the resource, I will certainly give it a read.
2nd, A bit quick to judging people there aren't you? where in anything i have said in here makes you think that i wanna stir things up in here? SO! I didn't use the search engine... in your mind that is equal to... Having closed minded intentions ? again thanks for the help, if you even read this, but dude... friggin chill...
Thanks for the rest of the responses to everybody else. I appreciate the insight. I shall keep reading.
I used the be the biggest skeptic out. I needed hard facts, referenced articles and so on before I would believe anything. When I heard about AP, different planes of existence and so forth, I thought it was a joke. It sounded crazy! Until one day it happened to me, my first AP experience absolutely changed my beliefs. It definitely gave me that bit of faith I never had. I guess some things can't be explained scientifically but I do believe it's real. We're just bound by the physical of our current life, if we're leaving behind the physical while AP, there must be life beyond death.
Raises hand. It's real.
Quote from: Nameless on May 23, 2022, 17:21:04
Raises hand. It's real.
It's not real. It's f...ing real.
:-D
Quote from: Volgerle on May 24, 2022, 14:15:10
It's not real. It's f...ing real.
:-D
Sometimes it seems more "real" than this reality we are experiencing here does. Take a moment to think about that! :-o
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: Lumaza on May 24, 2022, 14:34:24
Sometimes it seems more "real" than this reality we are experiencing here does. Take a moment to think about that! :-o
This reason alone was one of the main factors I went on this journey. The one question that prompted me, "What does "Real" really mean and how can you truly know what is truly real?" Then I learned that lucid dreams/AP's can be more real that this reality.
Then I experienced a few experiences that were pretty comparable to this reality. I'm looking forwards to experiencing one that feels more real than here.
Quote from: PerspectiveShift on May 24, 2022, 16:07:46
Then I experienced a few experiences that were pretty comparable to this reality. I'm looking forwards to experiencing one that feels more real than here.
The "Technicolor" experiences come to mind when I read your post here! They can be mind-blowing! 8-)
Quote from: PerspectiveShift on May 24, 2022, 16:07:46
I'm looking forwards to experiencing one that feels more real than here.
I wish you can experience this soon. Hold strong intent while falling asleep to induce the chance.
It's absolutely mind blowing. Very vivid colors, you feel light as a feather, the very fabric of your surroundings is crystal clear, and you feel like you have expanded tremendously mentally, you feel no boundaries, you feel so free.
This is a very poor description though; I can't even find words to come even closer to how does the experience feel.
Quote from: LightBeam on May 24, 2022, 18:39:30
This is a very poor description though; I can't even find words to come even closer to how does the experience feel.
That happens often when attempting to describe some experiences in the NPRs. We lack the words to fully describe the things we not only see, but the places we venture. I always have a hard time fully explaining the worlds of "grids".
"More real than real!"
That's what I hear a lot... nobody really stops to wonder WHY that is though.
I believe that what we experience when we're fully astrally aware is that we're now experiencing a reality WITHOUT the filter of our human physical body. It's something so new and fresh.. so it's not that it feels MORE REAL than real, it's that you're now experiencing reality DIFFERENTLY, unfiltered.
I equate it to wearing a new pair of shoes. I remember growing up and getting a new pair of shoes. I'd put them on and they would feel SOOOOOOOO different, so much more cushion and such, I felt like I could run super fast! It's kind of like that.
Projecting is like stepping into a completely different pair of shoes. haha
Sounds silly, I know, but it works!
Interesting perspective Xanth. It makes perfect sense! Our bodies are very limiting.
Lumaza, I'm not sure what the "Technicolor" experiences are, but probably the most realistic experience where I was totally aware was after doing the Monroe track in the morning and following it with Frank's noticing exercise. I ended up seeing the typical colours and patterns which ended up forming a rip in the black screen in front of my eyes. It looked like a portal ripping very violently through the blackness but there was no sound. It looked so real and kept growing and I could see a massive planet-sized ball of blue energy on the other side. I started sweating profusely and couldn't hang on for the ride. Then everything went grey. Haha! I usually wear glasses in waking life so everything is a bit blurry at a distance, but the portal that I saw in that vision was extremely clear and vivid. I would even stretch to say it was clearer than when I have my glasses on!
Lightbeam, yes I truly hope to experience it soon! Im getting closer as I've had a few weird experiences recently. I'll keep at it. Thank you for the tip, I will do this. I started keeping a dream journal again and I've been having better memory of dreams again like I used to. I fell off of it for awhile as life got in the way there for a bit. I find the most benefits so far with keeping a dream journal and doing daily meditation. Then doing the other exercises tend to have more of a punch behind them.
I had the 'Technicolour' experience during a 'kind of' NDE-OBE during a surgery in 2009.
Excerpt from my blog entry:
"I was not lying on the table. I seemed to be hovering - a bit above my (physical) head, as it seemed. I was at my "head side" but it seemed that I was a bit more lifted, I however don't remember seeing my body at all (I never looked there, though). I saw everything in colours - so vivid, intense, vibrant, warm and lush - colours that I never saw before (and never after, so far!) on Earth. I just looked from the left side (with all the gadgets) to the right where I saw the chief surgeon doing some routine measure on a kind of handlebar (as it seemed, but don't know exactly what it was) next to or at the side of the operating table.
But there was more: I read his thoughts!
And even that is not enough to describe it, because maybe I actually "was him" in that short moment, too. I was expressing sth to me - the guy on the table - which I also was - strange, huh?. What "he" "said" was this (not in words or literally - just in a seemingly telepathic expression, an entire instant thought bundle directed towards me, and coming from me alike - yeah, I know how that's weird ... It wasn't words to be heard or even grasped, just information entangled with feeling/emotion. I only paraphrase it here, clad into words, to convey the meaning (emotionally as well as content-related):
"Hey, everything's alright, chap, don't worry, it worked well and we are ready now."
But actually, I was far from being worried anyway!
I was in an UTTER STATE OF BLISS like never before in my life.
It must somehow be what the mystics talk about. Ultimate well-being, vibrant with life and happiness, it is beyond expression, it is not happiness we experience as humans, not even when drugged (I suppose). The vivid unearthly colours seemed to envigorate (but on the other hand also be an expression of my) permanent joy, too. And one more thing: It felt like home. I cannot express it better. It's this feeling of being home, secure, in the right place at the right time - all as the ultimate expression of happiness. I felt "home" in spite of still receiving the 'visual' input from the surgery. That is bliss. Home. Also Love, of course. But in the end, there was and is no difference between the two for me. Love is Home. Home is Love."
:-)
Some great experiences on this thread for sure.
But I will say that I think a measure of our reality or realness is in how we privilege certain experiences over other ones through our descriptions.
We will obviously favour an experience of hyper real vivid colors, deeply intimate sensations, and a rich tapestry of sounds compared with an experience of monotone colour values, muted sounds, and dull lethargic sensations. But actually these two hypothetical experiences are identical in terms of their level of reality. It is only how we privilege the first experience over the second one that defines it as more real.
If you consider your level of awareness in both experiences - that too is identical in both scenarios You are exquisitely aware of the vivid colors and bright sounds in experience 1 and you are equally exquisitely aware of experience 2s dull monotone colors and lethargic sensorial expression. If you weren't you wouldn't be able to describe it as such.
The only difference is a thought which chooses experience 1 which then elevates it in our experience and so we seek out more experience 1s.
Quote from: floriferous on June 02, 2022, 19:31:20
Some great experiences on this thread for sure.
But I will say that I think a measure of our reality or realness is in how we privilege certain experiences over other ones through our descriptions.
We will obviously favour an experience of hyper real vivid colors, deeply intimate sensations, and a rich tapestry of sounds compared with an experience of monotone colour values, muted sounds, and dull lethargic sensations. But actually these two hypothetical experiences are identical in terms of their level of reality. It is only how we privilege the first experience over the second one that defines it as more real.
If you consider your level of awareness in both experiences - that too is identical in both scenarios You are exquisitely aware of the vivid colors and bright sounds in experience 1 and you are equally exquisitely aware of experience 2s dull monotone colors and lethargic sensorial expression. If you weren't you wouldn't be able to describe it as such.
The only difference is a thought which chooses experience 1 which then elevates it in our experience and so we seek out more experience 1s.
These are very good points floriferous, you seem to have a very wise outlook.
Some people might interpret this vivid vs dull as "success" vs "failure". You could relate this to acquiring a skill. Where experience 1 is walking across a tightrope while maintaining balance and experience 2 is falling off. We tend to favour the mastery of difficulty scenario and have the rush of emotions at the end of the experience (1) more than the actions we consider failure. (2)
In the end of the day does it matter? Not really as we are all one anyways, so nothing essentially changes regardless of what we do because WE ARE no matter what. But if we want to experience different experiences of ourselves, practicing to get to them can open up a new experience of ourself. I think that's the whole purpose of the duality existence we have created for ourself in the first place. Exploring ourselves in different ways.
On the other hand, I think where people get caught up is in seeing experiences as bad or good or important/unimportant which I think is what you might be getting at here. It's okay to "fail" or to see dull colours as this is essentially You and what you are supposed to experience right now. It's a unique and important experience in itself and it isn't bad. It is still an equally important part or an aspect of ourself.
You could think of it as the shadow of the light, neither could exist without the other. So maintaining balance between the forces of light and darkness I think is essential. Maintaining the balance between polarities.
I just watched a mind blowing series by Matias de Stefano and he talks about this. He explains it by imagining you are in a room with a light source on one side. You have a shadow of your figure projecting on the back wall opposite of the light source. Now we are typically taught to move towards the light. Well if you do that in this scenario, the dark shadow grows bigger and bigger until it fills the whole room. His point was that if you are focussed on only light or only darkness you are ignoring an aspect of yourself and that ignored aspect of yourself will grow and grow and eventually pull you back into it. In other words, karma. So balance between the aspects is important. Like the Yin Yang symbol. The dance of light and dark is the two opposing aspects of ourself dancing together.
I thought I would share this last piece as it really opened my eyes and it might help other reader's perspectives on this forum as well.
Quote from: PerspectiveShift on June 03, 2022, 09:10:07
On the other hand, I think where people get caught up is in seeing experiences as bad or good or important/unimportant which I think is what you might be getting at here. It's okay to "fail" or to see dull colours as this is essentially You and what you are supposed to experience right now. It's a unique and important experience in itself and it isn't bad. It is still an equally important part or an aspect of ourself.
Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head. That is the crux of it for me. There really is no good or bad or right or right in experience. Problems aren't real until we bring them into existence by the way we define/resist experience. All experiences are born equal until we privilege them.
If we truly saw that all experience was just ourself flowing with itself would we see any situation as good/bad/desirable/dull/hyper real rather than just the flow of self expressing itself in infinitely new ways?
Quote from: Szaxx on August 19, 2015, 20:50:46
Become the astronaut that's in all of us, fear has no place and you'll see this barrier destroyed once you succeed.
YES!!! I love that! I know that wasn't for me, but that is great advice!! Become the astronaut and be filled with wonder.