Hi All,
This topic is aimed at all levels of projection from absolute beginners with no experience to the advanced old timers.
The subject of vibrations being necessary in order to project has come to light and an interesting theory by various authors on the subject claiming they are a necessary part of an exit technique.
The main point for now being what you did to get them in detail with the effects you experienced and the length of time approximately they lasted for.
A few including myself have never or on a few occasions had them.
It would be interesting to hear how these help or indicate an exit attempt.
Generally known and posted is at the onset there is a soft pulling sensation which if noticed allows an exit attempt to be very successful.
Anything read by names could be referenced with links if possible for further reading by all.
Thanks for reading.
I find that the vibrations help you to realize you are close to succeeding with your real goals. I know they are just a "sign post", but sign posts are nice to have. When I first began having conscious OBE's the first area I went to had a wooden sign saying "Training Zone". I practiced in this zone of mine for quite a long time, before I finally moved on. I know it was of my own design, but it showed me some kind of progress was being made and that is important with this whole OBE challenge. :-)
The only times I haven't experienced vibrations is when I came across an OBE after a short blackout while attempting to project.
From mechanical point of view vibrations can be caused by imbalances in rotating parts, uneven friction, meshing of gear teeth, etc. The above example can very well be applied to energy as well. When two energy waves of different frequency interact, they can cause the same phenomena. Or when the energy itself is adjusting from one frequency to another. The unevenness of two frequencies triggers the "inner vibrations" that many OBEers experience.
Why do some people can OBE without experiencing them? That may depend on the techniques they are using to achieve OBE. For example, if the practitioner does energy work frequently, meditates, uses phasing, etc, all these methods GRADUALLY adjust the frequency of present consciousness, until it equalizes with the one of the nearest astral area.
If an OBE is achieved from a lucid dream, the consciousness had drifted again gradually from sleep state, to a dream state, to lucidity.
Some people have naturally raised their energy frequency and are more attuned to the astral areas at all times, than others. And when they experience an OBE there is not much to adjust.
I personally prefer to experience strong vibrations, because as Lionheart said, they make you more aware of what you are about to experience, and to me it gives me a lot more control and focus, as well as vivid details recall afterwards. Actually I don't even make an effort to remember my experiences; they feel more real than the reality itself. It is like if you do something in the physical world today, will you forget or have foggy memories tomorrow?
My techniques are simple, do not require prolonged energy work and usually the vibrations do the job to wake me up sometime during the night. I do have quite often OBEs from lucid dreams as well, where I do not experience the vibrations.
Conclusion: Vibrations are not crucial for the achievement of AP. They accompany the so called "exits" or "separations" for lack of better terms, because the practitioner had suddenly shifted his energy from low to high frequency. For beginners they are beneficial to raise their awareness and give them a chance to realize what is happening, so that they can use their thoughts to navigate.
Hi,
The recall is interesting too. With or without vibrations there's a difference?
My recall is either non existant or excellent. I can still remember outings from 1969 quite clearly and what happned in them, still no vibrations at that time.
I've never had them while phasing. They appeaerd half way through the night when I was around 14 before the clairvoyant dreams started to manifest. Around 6 months ago they occurred twice in one week and the only thing different than normal was a stiff neck upon awakening.
They could be initiated with the physical not relaxed enough but the energy body has already started to exit. Its a possibility....
Thoughts on this?
Quote from: Szaxx on May 11, 2012, 02:46:09
Hi,
The recall is interesting too. With or without vibrations there's a difference?
Vibrations are noticeable enough to stick with you. They do help with recall for this reason alone.
I like Nick Newport's take on this. He explains it as the result of (ineffective) 'surplus energy' and thus 'energy waste' due to friction. It then also elaborates why you can have no vibrations at all and why they are even better, because they don't waste energy:
"Physical and nonphysical awarenesses are both types of signals that you focus on. During the middle stage of an OBE exit you're making the transition from one to the other and you experience both physical and nonphysical signals. These signals have energy. When you sum both of these signals together you pass through a phase where you're running double the amount of energy you normally would.
If this energy is more than your system can comfortably handle, you get distortion. The big fancy signal processing name for this is intermodulation distortion. The name is not so important as the fact that this energy hump does not go on forever, it comes and then goes and this is critical to understanding how to deal with vibrations.
(...)
Keep in mind that the vibrations only happen when the total energy goes beyond what your nonphysical body is capable of conducting. The more OBEs you do, the more energy you can run without problems and the less vibrations you'll have. Eventually almost all your OBEs will be vibration-free.
(...)
Why Vibrationless OBEs Are Brighter And Clearer:
- Chainsaw noise is friction
- Vibrations are noise
- Vibrations are friction
- Friction is a waste of energy
- Vibrations are a waste of energy
- Vibrations simply mean you're wasting energy"
Nick Newport / Lucidology: http://www.lucidology.com/101/pdf/lucidology-101-p10-vibrations-www-lucidology-com.pdf
Hi,
I'll read this today, thank you for it.
Intermodulation distortion aka spurious emissions and parasitic harmonic byproducts are typical of over driven active systems in transmission systems. I've never thought if the vibrations in relation to this. Like other electronic engineers have detailed specifics relating to the oob experience, I can relate to these very well being in that same profession.
I'll think more on this, its like utilising a narrowband FM reciever to recieve wideband signals without necessary filtering.
Well at least my intermediate frequency amplifiers, crystal filters match the required bandwidth for the oob transmission system, lol.
Nice thought too.
Hey :)
Firstly , I've only briefly read a few of the posts above as I need to go out now but I thought I'd just quickly post before I forget too.
From my own experience I get Vibrations most of the times I project but very rarely in the same way described in traditional books like that of Monroe's.
Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root charka.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.
As they make their way up my body they increase with intensity and usually by the time they reach my solar plexus I only have focus on the vibrations and have forgotten about my body.
These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.
I cant even start to describe the noise but when the vibrations get to my neck the noise is soo loud and makes me feel like I am going too "pop" and just before the vibrations get too my chin I all of a sudden just "pop" out and that popping out is what I use to project cause soon as I go pop am out of my body.
I also use the noise for concentration and relaxation and much more I dont know what it is or how many people experience it but too me its amazing and the noise hasnt been there since childhood it only first came when I first projected :)
Does anyone else experience a noise like that?
Quote from: Fourthdimension on May 11, 2012, 08:44:37
From my own experience I get Vibrations most of the times I project but very rarely in the same way described in traditional books like that of Monroe's.
Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root charka.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.
These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.
Does anyone else experience a noise like that?
I strongly believe the noise which is contained in the center of the head is a higher frequency version of the vibrations. I believe many of my vibration episodes are actually kundalini vibrations of the main chakra pathway up the spine and into the head to where the noise originates (inside the center of the skull).
I also believe this noise is our connection to our higher self.
Focus on the noise in the center of the head and raise the volume and frequency as high as you can while your eyes are turned upwards. Focus all of your consciousness on the space between your eyes. Ignore all visual phenomena that may show up. Completely forget your physical body and all it's sensations. The noise should form into vibrations after a little while. Whether these vibrations are kundalini vibrations or are classic vibrations are a mystery to me.
Kundalini vibrations from what I have read travel up the spine and into the head region. This may happen instantaneously or it may take years in some people for the vibrations to completely reach the head region.
Kundalini vibrations (Oliver Fox style vibrations):
--Travel upwards on the back side of the body and into the head
--Very high frequency
--Sounds intensify
--Feel energized afterwards
--These vibrations are an internal vibrational system
Classic vibrations (Robert Monroe style vibrations):
--These vibrations are localized in one part of the body or the vibrations are located in the entire body at once
--These vibrations come from pulling energy from the auric egg or Vehram energy system into your body
--These vibrations are coming from an external energy system
--These vibrations are sometimes more coarse and rough
Hi,
This is interesting on the level of the effect on you. The 3 occasions I had everyone of them was like a 30 HZ high voltage passing through me more noticeable in my back and chest region. I work with electricity and know its feel very well. The power if it was electric would have killed in less than 2 seconds Im sure. My whole body vibrated much like my bones were connected to the underside of a power float ( the large engine driven tool used to level ground before a concrete base is laid for a factory floor).
It was strange and I tried to make it stronger with little effect.
The noises too can be manipulated into beautiful music that you can alter or create. This is possible in F10 Ive read recently. Either Astral Dynamics or franks posts.
Very interesting.
More later...
Quote from: Fourthdimension on May 11, 2012, 08:44:37
Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root chakra.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.
As they make their way up my body they increase with intensity and usually by the time they reach my solar plexus I only have focus on the vibrations and have forgotten about my body.
These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.
This is exactly what happens to me during my experiences. But, I don't always get the "Pop" sound at the end. Usually I have already successfully Phased by this point. The main "sign post" here that tells me that I am about to Phase is the "Tinnitus like sound" in my ears. When i hear this I begin strongly creating my intent for the session.
I am liking this discussion :-)
Hi,
I'll make a point of listening for this sound. Normally there's odd noises like a digital playback thats corrupt, zingy sort of noise. On occasion music which is manipulated through thinking of changeing it. Voices non specific. If accompanied with visualisations these come and go followed by the darkness stage.
Im trying to find out the frequency of the vibrations too. Definately slower than the mains supply.
Is it the same freq for everyone?
When you get a dead arm from lying on it, as it comes back online theres a point if its banged it feels similar to the vibrations. Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 11, 2012, 20:33:06
Hi,
When you get a dead arm from lying on it, as it comes back online theres a point if its banged it feels similar to the vibrations. Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.
I think it may be the same frequency early on or when just beginning to consciously project. But it would change due to how much you practice or use this state. I myself have felt and am still feeling today different levels of vibrations all the time. My vibrations kick in about 2 minutes after I start my Session and gradually get stronger until I am no longer aware of my physical body.
It doesn't feel the same as a "dead arm" scenario. It's hard to describe, my entire body is just buzzing and then the vibrations will be felt in waves.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 11, 2012, 20:33:06
Hi,
Im trying to find out the frequency of the vibrations too. Definately slower than the mains supply.
Is it the same freq for everyone?
Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.
I believe there is consistency in this vibrational system. I would even say it is objective in nature. There are two types of vibrations (kundalini and the classic ones).
The classic vibrations can lead to OBE's more often than the kundalini vibrations can. But the kundalini vibrations can heal your body more effectively than the classic ones.
One word of caution: The kundalini vibrations can temporarily harm the body if you are careless. Never lower their descent and never lower their frequency. Always raise them up towards the head and always increase the frequency of them. You can read many side effects on the internet from kundalini that wasn't properly handled.
So the frequency would be different depending on the type of vibrations you have. Kundalini is an internal vibrational source while the classic type is an external vibration source. The internal would be a higher frequency while the external would be a lower frequency. The external vibrations could be made to be a higher frequency by focusing on them and using your will to raise the frequency higher.
The normal sound you hear in your head is a low frequency. So you need to use your will to increase the volume and frequency to a higher level. This will allow you to have the higher frequency vibrations come.
The vibrations have very similar characteristics. I write down characteristics of each vibrational episode to help me learn from them. Once you find the underlying principles at work, you can get them more often. Plus I use the higher frequency vibrations to keep me healthy.
Hi,
I've tried the dead arm thing and can say the vibrations I had were definately lower in frequency than the buzzing feeling.
There's one condition I've come across where this frequency almost if not matches. Its when the edges or fortifications of a scintillating scotoma are plaguing my sight. This is a match, the question arising now is the production of vibrations due to some overload or interaction of neurons firing simultaneously in the brain? Anyone researched this? Vibrational state studied while being MRI scanned?
Looks interesting but very doubtful.
2 types of vibrations is new to me. If that 2 stroke engine ticking over we've all heard is a variant of this then familiarity already exists. This one led to a higher realm trip which colour and sound mixed with a utopian emotional state ensued after spinning that engine up to 3 MHZ. It was well out of audible range and I continued on as long as I could until I had a 3d awareness very strongly. I thought where will I end up this time? I never wanted to come back, it was that pleasurable.
Having so little experience with these vibrations, moving them around leaves me with the experience less than a newbie.. Its not annoying now after reading the above posts. It appears that some of us are not powered by steam or diesel engines, lol.
Back to work .......
I just finished a Phase session and due to this conversation I was paying particular attention to the vibrational stage. This is what I found. The pins and needle effect took 2 minutes as usual until it was being felt. When the heavy vibrations occurred they seemed to be around my body instead of inside of it. I first concentrated on the vibrations on my arms and felt that they were at least 2-4 inches higher than my actual skin. I have never payed attention to this phenominom before, so I was shocked to find them outside of my body instead of inside. As they grew in intensity the vibrational field moved out even further from my physical body. Until I was at the point that my focus had completely left the physical, then I felt nothing.
Hi,
Excellent work Lion, this suggests that the energy body aka that seen by a Kirlian photograph is somewhat activated. I've experience with this having built a machine back in the 1970's. This etheric field surrounding us all is intrtesting itself ad its linked to our physical bodies condition. Around 1979 during experimentation this field visible with the naked eye around my hand extended normally 1 inch or so, was getting larger. I went to the library for suggestionson this and found it increased in size when an impending illness was developing. Still not much info on diagnosing the problem, I watched it for a couple of days growing in size. Referencing it to my friends, normal size aura proving the machine functionality,mine grew to a size where it was visible when my hand was 12 inches above the test plate. Later that day I suffered the most excruciating stomach pain which took me out. Waking up on the couch moments later my solar plexus region muscles were that clenched you could have parked a car on them.3 days in hospital with no real explanation they subsided. Now I watch what I eat for the above mentioned problem with sight.
Its strange how a comment helps you remember things from long ago.
So the vibrations form in the energy body whilst the physical is being disconnected but still active to some degree. Sound plausible and backs up many a read statement. To enable a test to this challenge may take a circuit similar to a geiger counter within close proximity to the body whilst connected to a data monitor. Nice thought but impractical to self test due to my lack of vibrations. Well another brick wall, but the theory could be tested in a large organisation dedicated to this research....
Has anyone else experienced this outside feeling?
Very interesting...
Quote from: Szaxx on May 12, 2012, 05:21:08
Has anyone else experienced this outside feeling?
Very interesting...
I believe Lionheart was feeling the classic external vibrations that come from the auric field. Vessen Hopkins says there are six energy orbs around the body that these external vibrations come from. Here is a short video showing the locations of the six energy orbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GPTSiJEDc
To amplify the external vibrations to make them more intense, you need to pull energy from one or all of the six orbs into your body at the same time. Monroe used just the top orb to pull from.
I have had more external vibrations (classic ones) versus internal ones (kundalini). Though, I prefer the internal ones more just because I have more control over them. I can also make the internal ones last longer than the external ones.
The type of vibrations you get is due to your projection methodology.
The external come from the outside aura and the internal come from the inside spinal and head chakras.
Thank you for that link Todd. That looks exactly like the Tetrahedron Shield that I build around myself every day. I thought that was just something I did. My Tetrahedron Shield was taught to me in one of the first "Astral School" visits I had when I was first learning to Astral Travel. :-)
You are welcome Lionheart.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 12, 2012, 02:45:38
Hi,
[1] The question arising now is the production of vibrations due to some overload or interaction of neurons firing simultaneously in the brain? Anyone researched this? Vibrational state studied while being MRI scanned?
[2] This one led to a higher realm trip which color and sound mixed with a Utopian emotional state ensued after spinning that engine up to 3 MHZ. It was well out of audible range and I continued on as long as I could until I had a 3d awareness very strongly. I thought where will I end up this time? I never wanted to come back, it was that pleasurable.
[3] It appears that some of us are not powered by steam or diesel engines, lol.
1) I don't believe the vibrations have anything to do with a brain phenomena.
I believe the vibrations are objective in nature and not subjective. I believe the vibrations are independent of the physical brain.
I believe the external vibrations a.k.a. auric egg (the 6 energy orbs) is our higher spiritual etheric template. This higher spiritual etheric template continues to survive after death of the physical body.
The internal vibrations (kundalini) form our spiritual ego and this spiritual ego also survives death.
The only part of the energy body that dies off is the lower etheric body of the cellular structure of the brain and nervous system.
2) In this experience, you were able to increase the frequency of the vibrations. This will usually lead to a very intense and pleasurable experience. The people who say the vibrations are nothing special are the ones who forgot to raise the frequency. The most pleasurable experiences were the internal vibrations that I was very fortunate enough to raise them to a very high frequency level. There is nothing greater than these. You will feel energized for the entire day after these experiences.
3) All of us are powered by the vibrations at least on a low frequency level. This is how we are able to achieve motion on the physical plane. With some work, dedication, and will, I believe many can achieve the higher frequency vibrations. The first step is to understand the underlying principles, then consciously strive to raise their intensity and frequency.
I feel there is so much more to learn about this phenomena. Science doesn't seem to want to research them. So it is up to people like us to learn the intricate details of them.
I love both OBE's and vibrations. They are actually the same thing.
Hi,
Thank you for this response.
The reason why I used the brain as part of the interface is neurons are electrically conductive (assuming neurons are the correct term). The aura is also reactive to emf with short angular velocity and the scintillating scotoma has appeared in my vision while out of body. This snatched me to the physical and the distortion was identical indicating there exist some interface within the brain. Its an assumption as broken bones etc have absolutely no effect while oob.
Agreed on 2, again only audible nothing else apart from that typical when concious projection attempt was initiated. Yes, the trip is exhilarating by doing this frequency shifting exercise.
If someone knows how to produce the 2 stroke engine sound at will, please post it. That would enable a massive boost to this subject by default. If its part of kundalini then post this with your experiences. Theres got to be a link with the primary or secondary energy centres and vibrations, either type.
On 3 above,
I have and I hope others, heard a ticking sound at times while in the blackness and this is at the start around 4HZ. At differing levels of the astral planes this appears to have a higher frequency the higher you go. This tone is not changeable and lasts for a second or so when your intent is set and you are on your way to wherever your thoughts take you. On arrival it dissipates but the outing is far more important at that time. Its not that apparent either but has been noticed a few times. A totally empty mind is required as when occupied by thoughts its not apparently audible.
There's so little we know and hopefully a link with some anomaly will come to light so this can be beyond doubt worthy of full scientific investigation.
Until then we are the pioneers.....
Quote from: Szaxx on May 13, 2012, 05:01:36
Hi,
If someone knows how to produce the 2 stroke engine sound at will, please post it. That would enable a massive boost to this subject by default. If its part of kundalini then post this with your experiences. Theres got to be a link with the primary or secondary energy centres and vibrations, either type.
The link below contains a technique that has gotten me 100% kundalini vibrations when I was successful at it. The technique isn't easy to perform. It took me awhile to become successful. I am currently trying to perform the technique without any fan sounds. I am starting to become successful this way also.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_technique_that_uses_sound_from_a_portable_heater_or_fan-t36507.0.html;msg301092
I currently focus on the Cerebellum chakra to induce the kundalini vibrations while performing the above linked technique. The Cerebellum chakra is not widely known. The Cerebellum chakra is located on the back of the head and is positioned at the base. This centre enables the individual to achieve advanced out-of-body projection, etheric projection, and kundalini vibrations.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 12, 2012, 05:21:08
Later that day I suffered the most excruciating stomach pain which took me out. Waking up on the couch moments later my solar plexus region muscles were that clenched you could have parked a car on them.3 days in hospital with no real explanation they subsided.
So the vibrations form in the energy body whilst the physical is being disconnected but still active to some degree.
Monroe too had a severe stomach pain, as described in the first half of his first book.
I think Monroe's cramp lasted for more than 12 hours and he tried to find a doctor.
The vibrations and the pain is probably some kind of development and change of
our non-physical parts. One question is why it hurts? What function does the pain
serve?
It certainly doesn't fit well into some models, like Campbell's AUM-all-physical-is-only-digital-software,
as I would have expected a self developing program to stop from causing pain in the
physical from something related to the non-physical. It just doesn't make sense in
terms of everything being a digital computer.
Such "bugs" should have been taken care of over time of evolution.
Also, people who directly go into "developing their chakras", usually report a lot of
pain, mental problems, depressions and other not well motivated problems.
That's so strange.
Hi,
Ill try that method with a synthesized fan and see what happens after a few attempts. The energetic system is still rather new to me and Im still researching it. Most of my learnings are from astral dynamics which seems to be a good source of info.
The pain was unexpected and a single occurance many years ago. I'd projected for around 15 years prior to this. Its still a mystery as to the cause.
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 13, 2012, 10:21:46
It certainly doesn't fit well into some models, like Campbell's AUM-all-physical-is-only-digital-software,
as I would have expected a self developing program to stop from causing pain in the
physical from something related to the non-physical. It just doesn't make sense in
terms of everything being a digital computer.
Tom Campbell's model is far from explaining everything.
Here is an example of something that happened to me during my most intense and longest kundalini vibrations:
One time three years ago while doing my fan obe technique (the technique in the link above), I had 6 separate kundalini vibration episodes back to back with very little time in between the episodes. I estimate the total time of the vibrations lasted for 45 minutes. These were very intense vibrations. My body was shaking on the bed the entire time. Every since then, I have lost my hunger completely. I never get hungry anymore. I have to remind myself to eat. Sometimes I will go a whole day without eating because I forgot to. The only explanation I have for this is that lengthy vibration episode permanently altered the frequency of my physical body. I did lose a lot of weight because of this. I was down to 115 lbs. I have since forced myself to eat and am currently at 132 lbs.
I consider losing this hunger a good thing since my energetic body is vibrating at a higher frequency which leads to elimination of my earthly desires (ex. hunger).
Hi,
Todd, two attempts and nothing re the vibes.
Are you well rested before the attempt? If it requires plenty of sleep then I have a BIG problem. On average 5 hours sleep per night followed by 12 hours at work. Fri sat and sunday are less hours working so sometimes I catch up on sleep. Thursdays are strangely good for an exit.
This change of your fundamental vibration frequency should be scrutinized and documented. When perfected youd be a millionaire selling the instructions as they work.
The latest fad in diets is Vibration Watchers, lol.
Eat and stay merry.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 15, 2012, 03:40:21
Are you well rested before the attempt? If it requires plenty of sleep then I have a BIG problem. On average 5 hours sleep per night followed by 12 hours at work. Fri sat and sunday are less hours working so sometimes I catch up on sleep. Thursdays are strangely good for an exit.
A million dollars would be awesome to have.
Yes, I am well rested before the attempt. I work 30 hours per week. I get 8 hours of sleep a day.
Sometimes I don't use any fan sounds. Instead I use brain wave entrainment/binaural beats mixed with white or pink noise WITHOUT using headphones. You might want to try this method also. It is the exact same technique except replace the fan sound with binaural beats with white or pink noise mixed with the beats.
Hi,
I remember reading ' go to bed at 10:00 and set your alarm for 06:00'.
I had a laugh at this, really funny. The reality is get to bed before midnight as the alarm is set at 05:40...
Maybe Ill succeed at weekend. The headphones issue is a little perplexing as I wear in ear ones practically every night. Noise issues. Ive already made a synthetic fan binaural which has the desired effect. Later in the year the aircon will be used. Ive switched on a fan at work and started the phasing tech to see how it feels. Within a minuit I nearly fell off the chair amused by the speed it worked having partially disconnected from the physical and hearing sounds not local. Oh for an afternoon nap, Id be out somewhere for sure.
The last time I had vibrations I wasn't comfortable. The thing remembered is my head and legs were supporting the rest of my body while lying down. I can remember the pressure on my head clearly. Its a possibility discomfort may help the induction of vibrations. Just another thought...
Quote from: Szaxx on May 15, 2012, 11:37:16
Hi,
Ive switched on a fan at work and started the phasing tech to see how it feels. Within a Minuit I nearly fell off the chair amused by the speed it worked having partially disconnected from the physical and hearing sounds not local. Oh for an afternoon nap, Id be out somewhere for sure.
This is awesome news :-)
I think my quickest time was 10 seconds to get the intense kundalini vibrations. I like this technique because I don't have to waste many hours weekly practicing.
I should try afternoon naps to see if they are successful.
So far I haven't used alarm clocks with this technique. I am at the point where I naturally wake up between 3-6 am, and hear the 1st pitch change. Then I get it to change a total of 3 pitch changes in a relatively short time. I use my mind to make each consecutive pitch change into a higher frequency. Then, I take my mind IMMEDIATELY after the third pitch change and use INTENSE will power to raise the sound frequency as high as I can go, while rolling my eyes upwards. The vibrations will always occur within a few seconds after this and they will continue for as long as I keep doing this. This exact sequence always occurs with me 100% of the time. This technique has never failed me as long as I get those three individual pitch changes.
It takes Buddhists and other practitioners many years of practicing to get the necessary skills to become successful at kundalini. With this technique, I don't need to have any of these skills. It makes the whole process much easier and safer.
Hi,
I liked the way sound changed, then a sort of chip pan sizzle which with the fan started up in freq and then I lost the physical momentarily and nearly fell.
Even with this there's no hint of physical vibrations.
Maybe Im a SOUND guy, lol.
Ill try later too.
Hi All,
I think a good step to take would be along the lines of what do you see before the vibrations manifest?
I was thinking of this today. By comparing a few examples there may be a difference along that road. At the very start of phasing having got comfortable, I see as others have posted a browny yellowness grainy background with spots of yellowish white flashing up for a few seconds. Still in C1 this happens every time.
Is this the same for everyone?
A beginner or two could also try this.
If we can make a list of everything in steps which are common to all then this phasing technique will be easier for most trying to exit as its full of the most common experiences.
Thanks.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 17, 2012, 16:29:13
Hi All,
I think a good step to take would be along the lines of what do you see before the vibrations manifest?
If we can make a list of everything in steps which are common to all then this phasing technique will be easier for most trying to exit as its full of the most common experiences.
Thanks.
I never see anything before the vibrations. Then again I don't practice phasing. The only thing I feel right before the vibrations is a raise in my energy body frequency.
I think you have a great idea here for others to reply with their steps, so people can have a road map to follow for phasing.
Hi,
Having tried phasing for a few nights, there are commonalities. The colours behind closed eyes seem similar for everyone. The yellowish flashes only appear if you have come from a bright room lasting seconds. These are physiological and have no real importance.
The next stage, getting comfy has been investigated. Some people get vibrations if there's small discomfort. Ive tried this too from really uncomfortable to just niggled. No vibes at all. While phasing I did hear a baby crying and despite checking my granddaughters (fast asleep) this noise continued after 3 restarts. Strange event that.
No thoughts or intentions on noise just totally passive as usual. On one night I heard music again. The same choral with the ability to change it I knew projecting would be easy. I returned to the physical and restarted again. No more music this time just the usual zings and sizzles. No sign of vibes either, even when controlling the choir I suggested the feeling of vibes to appear and still nothing.
Continuing on to where the body is not present just your head noticing the swirls change to images then scenes thinking momentarily vibes? No, nothing remotely available, even stepping backwards to feeling the body again. Giving them another chance to appear, still nothing. Contined on until sleep took over.
Maybe concious phasing isn't too productive for vibes.
Could my lack of sleep be preventing their onset?
When do the typically appear during phasing, at what part, anyone?
Hmm. As you know I only had one experience so far. I can only relate on that one.
It was right after I woke up, from this dream. I didn't move a muscle (I didn't do that intentional, it just seemed natural, and logical). I waited there no more than five seconds, and everything started to vibrate. I remember some loud noise as well, but can't describe it well, I wasn't paying too much attention to it.
Hi,
Morning phasing included, a recent trip posted here (The Games) also had no vibrations. Out really fast, enjoyable too.
Maybe they occur when starting out in the astral. Once you've been out hundreds of times your energy store is adequate.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 29, 2012, 06:36:29
Hi,
Maybe concious phasing isn't too productive for vibes.
I believe passive will projection techniques (especially with visualizations) have less chance of vibrations.
I believe active will projection techniques have a much greater chance of vibrations, especially the intense vibrations.
Hi,
The last time May 2011 2nd week (twice in one week) I felt them I had awaken from a dream and within a few seconds they appeared, 35 or so years before this they appeared for the first time again after a dream (during the night). Not thinking of anything at all, I would say I was extremely passive in this state.
Now Im more confused, should I try to defy gravity? At this rate Ill be landing at an airport near you lol.
The plot thickens evermore...
Quote from: Szaxx on May 29, 2012, 18:54:39
Hi,
The last time May 2011 2nd week (twice in one week) I felt them I had awaken from a dream and within a few seconds they appeared, 35 or so years before this they appeared for the first time again after a dream (during the night). Not thinking of anything at all, I would say I was extremely passive in this state.
Now Im more confused, should I try to defy gravity? At this rate Ill be landing at an airport near you lol.
The plot thickens evermore...
I have had success initiating vibrations with rolling my eyes up to the third eye area. You might want to try this technique. Try it with your eyes closed and laying on your back in a recliner.
You can initiate the vibrations by moving the two eyeballs upward and toward the center of the forehead, maintaining them in this position for about 10 seconds. Next return your eyeballs to their normal positions, relax the eye muscles and the eye nerve. You need to repeat this exercise several times and execute it with the muscles of the forehead and face completely relaxed.
After a certain time, and with some practice, you learn to coordinate the eye muscles and improve the process without feeling any discomfort or causing any damage to your eyesight.
The projection of your consciousness occurs with the sudden takeoff of the soul through the head. This occurs in a surprising but inoffensive manner which may produce head sounds and vibrations.
Hi,
Thanks for this info, it will be tried like the fan idea.
The basics of all of this is do I get far greater clarity with vibes than without?
This also includes memory recall. At present I get more recall from an outing than watching a film on tv in the physical believe it or not.
Im hoping the next few days when Im not working I'll get more than 5 hours sleep each night. Ive had 1 extra hour for the last 2 mornings and could have so easily projected, time to get up for work interferes with this, typical..
Hi,
I tried the eyes thing and found it somewhat uncomfortable at first. Then continued after a few breaks ad directed. With this I recognised a feeling and hekd my breath a few times. This accelerated the phase greatly and hardly any visualisations started I was out, again no hint of vibrations whatsoever. The trip wad good finding myself in a family argument with strangers who had their mind set on killing a 14 year old female member of the family for something she had done. Her actions shamed the family and my job was to rescue her from this dilemma. Shouting Im here to help and eventually gaining trust we hid in the house then escaped outside to what looked like a large farm growing varoius vegetables. Hearing she' outside with someone and seeing a mob of angry people we ran into a field. The mob could run fast but the girl started to slow and cry. I grabbed her hand hard and jumped, we were now flying, she held on tightly and after several miles of this excellent experience I met up with an older gentleman who said thanks and took the girl. She knew him and everything faded. I returned awake then tried the eyes again to be stopped by the alarm, work again.....
Szaxx,
That was a great experience. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 31, 2012, 09:52:35
Hi,
I tried the eyes thing and found it somewhat uncomfortable at first. Then continued after a few breaks ad directed. With this I recognised a feeling and hekd my breath a few times. This accelerated the phase greatly and hardly any visualisations started I was out, again no hint of vibrations whatsoever. The trip wad good finding myself in a family argument with strangers who had their mind set on killing a 14 year old female member of the family for something she had done. Her actions shamed the family and my job was to rescue her from this dilemma. Shouting Im here to help and eventually gaining trust we hid in the house then escaped outside to what looked like a large farm growing varoius vegetables. Hearing she' outside with someone and seeing a mob of angry people we ran into a field. The mob could run fast but the girl started to slow and cry. I grabbed her hand hard and jumped, we were now flying, she held on tightly and after several miles of this excellent experience I met up with an older gentleman who said thanks and took the girl. She knew him and everything faded. I returned awake then tried the eyes again to be stopped by the alarm, work again.....
Very nice Szaxx, this sounds just like a Retrieval. When I am taking control of a Lucid Dream I am having, it takes me awhile to realize that thought=action there and that I can defy the laws of physics. That most likely occurs because when we Lucid Dream we normally awaken to this in the middle of the dream. We don't know where we are or how we got there, all we know is we are there. This confusion is cleared up rather quickly, then we just proceed to take control of the entire event. It's much different with Phasing, because in Phasing you are in the scene consciously aware from the start to the finish.
Hi,
Oh yes, 100% lion. It was yet another quantum leap experience. I had seconds to read the situation and act accordingly. I dont normally hide at all but this case was different. It worked and she was made safe. Its not getting emotionally tied to the situation that helps greatly. I used logic and succeeded. Theres more to it but that would make it a story lol.
Ahhh to fly....
Hi,
I've tried not to project for over a week to maybe store some kind of energy. I'll try again for a concious RTZ outing as this seems to be most peoples reported result of the vibes. I know Ive been out somewhere but turned it into a dream, then typically forgot the experience. Its probably nothing worth remembering anyway.
If I get more than 5 hours continuous sleep this week Ill give it another go.
Patience for now.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 09, 2012, 04:48:49
Hi,
I'll try again for a concious RTZ outing as this seems to be most peoples reported result of the vibes. I know Ive been out somewhere but turned it into a dream, then typically forgot the experience. Its probably nothing worth remembering anyway.
If I get more than 5 hours continuous sleep this week Ill give it another go.
Patience for now.
I hope you succeed.
Here is something you can try:
Do your most effective projection technique.
Then, find your projection signal that you consistently get in your projections.The projection signal could be a shift in your awareness, a change in an internal or external sound, a swooshing sound, etc.
Immediately after you get your projection signal, use ALL of your mind power and INTENSE will to lift your consciousness upward from the exact center of the head to the highest head position you can and hold it there for as long as you can. This may help you get the vibrations.
I believe the reason many phasers cannot get the vibrations consistently is they are projecting into their signal which leads to a non-physical scene.
I believe people who are achieving classic obe's are not projecting into the signal. They are projecting later after they get the signal. They get the signal first, then they lift upward with their consciousness, then they get the vibrations, then they separate.
I believe this is the difference between these two types of projections. It's all about the timing of the separation process.
Hi,
At last SUCCESS.
I have read your post not 5 mins ago and what you suggested is so close to what I did to achieve success.
The vibrations were definately present although weak, compared to the 3 times I've possessed their presence.
Starting with lying on my back with my knees raised feet slightly spread to stabilise this position. Its one that works quite quickly or not at all and being asleep for 5 hours already the advantage wasn't being wasted. I started phasing and noises appeared with the visualisations slightly after. Remembering your comment on moving focus upwards I started this action. Another memory of outside energy centres came to me the picture where there's white spheres of energy above the head, below the feet each arm extended.... I used this visualisation sending all to above my head.
Then the point of exit came and I stayed with this instead.
Thats when the vibes appeared, I remembered that peculiar feeling of electric hot water being poured down my back from the neck. It was weak but very much PRESENT.
From this it could be deduced that,
Old timers get out before the vibes had chance to start.
The vibes can be so weak they go unnoticed.
The energy naturally within prevents them.
You really need to be uncomfortable straining some physical attribute of self for their inducement.
Not too sure but staying in the phase in this position will be repeated to try to prove the point of repeatability.
Did I get out?
No, the background noise stopped indicating time for work.
I did try to increase them but time expired unfortunately.
Happy though, 4 times since around 1964.
Very much glad of your progress sxaxx. What you say about vibrations not being presented for long time travelers makes sense.
The vibrations I've got were so huge, it seemed an earthquake. Maybe because of me being absolutely new to this world, and my energy freaks out every time I push the button.
Congratulations really.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 11, 2012, 02:39:49
Hi,
At last SUCCESS.
From this it could be deduced that,
Old timers get out before the vibes had chance to start.
The vibes can be so weak they go unnoticed.
The energy naturally within prevents them.
You really need to be uncomfortable straining some physical attribute of self for their inducement.
Congratulations Szaxx on your success :-)
You bring up some very good points in the above quote.
Hi,
Thanks for the replies.
I was thinking of this last night, started, got nowhere, then fell asleep.
All the worlds technology and no cure for a cold, aaaaagh. Lol.
Will try tonight to verify the effectiveness of the utilised procedure. Thats after administration of phenylephrine. Wonderful stuff.....
Hi All,
Got the vibrations again, they came all by themselves this time. I phased to F 10 and thought on an etheric projection as theres somewhere I wanted to visit. Meditating on the crown and that centre 2 feet above, intent set on a local safe place I continued on. I still had physical awareness but only now and then, this being my eyes and breathing. Then a soft vibration started to appear down the back of my body from head to toe. Its nothing as agressive as the first time that being decades ago. It was pleasant in its entirety. As they faded I, thinking about the frequency of them thought these were a little lower than before. The focus level seemed to be still F10 and normally It would have been much higher for the time they occurred. I quit the outing just so I'd remember them.
The next night I tried the same routine for the visit planned and heard a large goods train fully loaded. It was in my room, or so it appeared. Not had this one for some time so pulled out again to preserve the memory.
I'll try again tonight as its a mission to exit and get to my desired location, that being Europa, 30ish light minuits away.
Had lots of strange dreams too in all of this, as if being prepared for some big event. The last time a city needed work....
It continues.
Once in awhile I experiment with my levels of vibrations, like last night for instance. I found that if I tried to do a "inner shudder" that the vibrations went through the roof. They were so strong that it felt like it did the first time I had a successful Phase one year ago. They also raced up to my head and it felt like my head was going to explode! By "inner shudder" I mean going through the motions, kind of like when you get a chill down your back. But in this case you are activating it, not just some outside circumstance.
Hi,
I'll try that too. Its similar to something I can do in the physical, the effect is goosebumps all over or confined to a leg or arm. This is used for a laugh when its really hot and everyone complains of the heat.
Its worth a try though.
I remember being on my back with my head supported quite high up . This is a position that produced them last time too.
Thats 5 times now, Im sure Im not missing out though as they seem to slow the exit too.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 01, 2012, 12:26:47
Thats 5 times now, Im sure Im not missing out though as they seem to slow the exit too.
Congratulations Szaxx :-)
The vibrations will slow your OBE exits. This is the secret to get into the RTZ. The slower the exit the better your chances to have an etheric projection into the RTZ.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47840361/The-Vehram-Energy-System-Proof-of-Life-After-Death
The above link contains an article written by Vessen Hopkins which describes the etheric body and the source of the vibrations. The information is the best I have ever read on this topic.
My experiences correlate with his findings. If OBE's are ever to be proven scientifically, it will happen by following the principles that are described in the article.
Anyone that is interested in the vibrational surge or how certain OBE's are real, should read the article until it makes sense. It is written with some quantum mechanics terms that are confusing at first.
Hi,
Aaagh,
I cant read it on this phone and the site can't be accessed. Freely distributed, ha.
A PDF would be nice....
Anyone.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 11, 2012, 01:59:56
Hi,
Aaagh,
I cant read it on this phone and the site can't be accessed. Freely distributed, ha.
A PDF would be nice....
Anyone.
I can send a pdf to your email. If you want, you can PM me your email.
Hi,
Once again and out of the blue the vibrations appeared. This time at 16 HZ. These being very mild from head to toe down my back.
The sleep position I'm using is always the same for these to appear. On my back, head raised on two pillows so there's a mild strain on my neck and stretched out.
Im thinking its an effect of the nervous and muscular systems reaction to the strain placed on the body.
I now have a count of 6 times in nearly 50 years of projecting. In maybe another 300 years Ill be able to make a valid comment on experiences lol.
After they finished I tried an exit technique, again failed due to the unfamiliarity of the ambience Left with.
Anything outside this position fails, maybe a coincidence maybe not.
I suppose the fail had something to do with sleep deprivation too. Driving around 200 miles after a busy week of 5 hours sleep each night adversely effects this toll.
I've had vibrations from sleeping on the side and also from lying on the back. You are right in saying sleeping on the back is a good position to initialize the vibrations. I actually prefer the vibrations I get when lying on the side, since my body is more comfortable.