Interesting Marijuana Experience

[OneMansJourney]

I had a great experience this weekend that I would like to share it with this community.

I regularly smoke with friends on the weekend when we can't find anything to do that night, and this weekend I had quite an epiphany.  We had just smoked and we were going to watch some South Park  and I was laying comfortably in this reclining chair propped up and relaxed.  While in this position I got such a huge sense of my "energy body" (not sure if this is the correct term but it felt separate from the physical).  I could feel my physical senses and then I could feel my separate energy body.

whenever I moved or spoke it got weaker.  But if I stayed still the energy body sense became stronger than the physical sense.  I recall reading about feeling your inner body in meditations and it also reminded me of reading Robert Bruce's material which talks about energy work.  So at this point I assumed yes this is some part of me other than the physical.  I felt as though I could easily 'let go' of the physical feeling and sleep paralysis would set it and I would completely be that separate energy, but of course I couldn't because I was around my friends watching TV.

This gave me a few insights I'd like some feedback on. 

1.)  When sober it made me feel as if I have almost no connection with my energy body, that my energy is extremely low and almost too low to sense.  Or perhaps my inner chatter is just too strong to allow me to "see" it.

2.)  When I was in that state I realized how tense my body CONSTANTLY is.  I constantly have muscle tension.  I'm now aware of constant tension in my neck, all around my face, my stomach, my shoulders, and more places.  I felt this before but had no idea what it was, and now I realize how limiting it is for my feeling of just being free.  When I was in that state I could spot that tension with my awareness and it would instantly go away and the feeling that that gave me was of complete joy.  It gives me the impression that thoughts manifest as some sort of physical stress.  When I was completely free from tension, right at the point where I felt I could pull away from the physical, I literally felt free.  Everything was done with the greatest of ease.

This lingered into the next day and in the morning I felt just awesome.  I could communicate with my friends with the utmost EASE.  No thought was put into it and everything I said was spot on and just flowed.  Usually I'm self conscious and analyze too much but that day was almost like a brief travel back in time when my ego was much much smaller and everything was happy.  I didn't sleep long and usually I'm exhausted almost all the time but I felt great.  I enjoyed that time very much and is now a motivator for me.

3.)  This gave me the KNOWING of breath awareness.  Before I didn't quite understand it but in that state when I focused on my breath it almost "anchored" me in my breath and I could feel the tension steadily fall.  usually I can feel it fall on the exhale but on the inhale it comes right back and I'm usually at this crossroad in the sober state.

Now I'm back to the point of my normal state, and all of this truth I came across has faded and I can't bring it back. 

Have any of you had similar experiences, perhaps not marijuana induced but through meditations.  Or does anyone use marijuana for spiritual insights or meditations?

[radman32]

i've had many trippy moments while high. I've actually had an experience last night. I've had more experiences high than not, and it's an aid in spiritual development for me. I'd say the best thing to take from smoking is the experience of doing better OBE's. I believe why pot helps so much is because it does clear your mind, your body is more prone for sleeping, but it keeps you conscience awake. I'm just excited to trigger that all on my own.

[KRDecade]

[Xanth]

That dude looks like his mind opened so much that his brain fell out... LoL

[Stookie]

OneMansJourney:

Your 1-2-3 description was pretty much exactly what my process of relaxation feels like when starting my daily meditation. I get to where there is no tension or stress, completely relaxed muscles, awareness of breath, overall good-feeling as though I've had a massage. This prepares me to enter trance.

However, I'm doing this on my own without the ganja. First off, a tolerance to pot would make this experience less noticeable each time. Second, you probably won't get far past the relaxation stage, or enter a not-so-focused light trance.

Anyways, you made some good observations about self-awareness. Being able to consciously relax to that state (sans pot) is a good skill to build.

[OneMansJourney]

OneMansJourney:

Your 1-2-3 description was pretty much exactly what my process of relaxation feels like when starting my daily meditation. I get to where there is no tension or stress, completely relaxed muscles, awareness of breath, overall good-feeling as though I've had a massage. This prepares me to enter trance.

However, I'm doing this on my own without the ganja. First off, a tolerance to pot would make this experience less noticeable each time. Second, you probably won't get far past the relaxation stage, or enter a not-so-focused light trance.

Anyways, you made some good observations about self-awareness. Being able to consciously relax to that state (sans pot) is a good skill to build.

This is exactly what I wanted to hear!  Thank you for clarifying this.

I realize using any substance as a crutch is a terrible thing, but using it for insights that I couldn't have gained otherwise or perhaps would have taken much longer make it something I'm greatful for.

how long does that feeling of no tension/stress carry on throughout your day?  Also what methods do you use to get there? Mantra, breath awareness, or are you to the point where you no longer need any of those?

- KRDecade I find that picture to be insulting to what I am doing/saying.  I'm not advocating people to go get stoned and do stupid things.  I hope you meant it in a playful manner.

[Stookie]

how long does that feeling of no tension/stress carry on throughout your day?  Also what methods do you use to get there? Mantra, breath awareness, or are you to the point where you no longer need any of those?

Like with everything, it changes all the time depending on a number of factors. Some days it's harder to reach that state than others (especially if something is on my mind). Same with how long it lasts. Some days it leaves me feeling light and elated all day. Other days, it doesn't take long to get frustrated over something silly. I've used a combination of NEW and breathing, or sometimes simply visualizing a good back massage on the beach or something similar. Getting good with NEW full-body circuits helped quite a bit.

[Alfera]

Drugs are bad

They are going to kill you

and once you start you can never stop

you will feel intense pain if you dont use it

if you keep using it you are going to DIE

I heard about someone who killed himself by hitting his head against wall over and over again just to make pain go away

you are in need of serious help

but yes you can have obe using marijuana... permanent

[Stookie]

LOL! Staight outta "Reefer Madness"! Scare em straight...

[no_leaf_clover]

I heard about someone who killed himself by hitting his head against wall over and over again just to make pain go away

What's awful is that I can't tell whether this guy is for real or just trying to make a joke, lol.

[radman32]

More like taking drugs like meth, or pcp haha ... really not funny though. Stookie's right, that's just refer madness.

I do agree that cannabis gives a good insight on the whole OBE process, cuz it does make ur body really relaxed, but the downfall is that your dependent on cannabis to achieve that.

[Alfera]

reefer madness or not but thats what happens when you smoke drugs

[OneMansJourney]

reefer madness or not but thats what happens when you smoke drugs

Actually no it doesn't

Shouldn't most people who've opened their mind to such things as astral projection not be so close minded about what society tells us about marijuana?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis

Go search for anything related to negative marijuana health effects and you'll get bovine excrement just like this:

MYTH: Marijuana is harmless.
FACT: Marijuana is the most widely used illegal drug among youth today and is more potent than ever. Marijuana use can lead to a host of significant health, social, learning, and behavioral problems at a crucial time in a young person's development. Getting high also impairs judgment, which can lead to risky decision making on issues like sex, criminal activity, or riding with someone who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. According to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA)  at Columbia University, teens who use drugs are five times more likely to have sex than teens who do not use drugs. Getting high also contributes to general apathy, irresponsible behavior, and risky choices.

- In a young persons development.. I don't think anyone developing should use any drug.
- Impairs judgement?  Yeah when you're high of course, just as alcohol does, then it goes away.
- Teens who use drugs are more likely to have sex.. teens who use drugs are also more risky and have the balls to talk to girls...

This is the type of crap that you'll hear about, and it's all propaganda that is spread from the government and trickles on down.  Does that sound like stoner hippie bovine excrement?  I don't care what it sounds like it's the truth.

Parents hear that excrement on TV and spread that false info like a wild fire and soon enough it's FACT

I've done several 16+ page scientifically done reports for high level college biology classes and have found so many myths, and no facts to support that marijuana is harmful other than inhaling smoke.  I've actually found info to support that it can help cure many diseases and help with healing and regrowth.

I can go on and on for hours about this subject.  If you don't like it for personal reasons then fine don't do it, I don't care.  But don't come around and tell people that it is WRONG to use it and you will DIE if you do.  That kind of behavior is asinine and I have no clue where you get off telling people that kind of information.

[Xanth]

My only beef with using 'drugs' as a method to achieve altered states of consciousness is that YOU DIDN'T DO IT YOURSELF.

The most important part of this journey that we're on... IS THE JOURNEY.
While you're using drugs and skipping right to the goal, you're going to miss so many important lessons that you can only learn when walking the path.

They don't say "The journey is more important than the destination" for nothing. 

[Stookie]

I agree, if you want to meditate and AP, drugs will hold you back.

But to say pot will make you hit your head against the wall over and over to stop the pain of withdraw is hilariously ridiculous. I'm not advocating it, but I'm not going make up silly stuff about it either.

[no_leaf_clover]

reefer madness or not but thats what happens when you smoke drugs

I am living proof that you are either lying or don't know what you're talking about.

Cheers.

[Alfera]

Actually no it doesn't

Shouldn't most people who've opened their mind to such things as astral projection not be so close minded about what society tells us about marijuana?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis

Go search for anything related to negative marijuana health effects and you'll get bovine excrement just like this:

- In a young persons development.. I don't think anyone developing should use any drug.
- Impairs judgement?  Yeah when you're high of course, just as alcohol does, then it goes away.
- Teens who use drugs are more likely to have sex.. teens who use drugs are also more risky and have the balls to talk to girls...

This is the type of crap that you'll hear about, and it's all propaganda that is spread from the government and trickles on down.  Does that sound like stoner hippie bovine excrement?  I don't care what it sounds like it's the truth.

Parents hear that excrement on TV and spread that false info like a wild fire and soon enough it's FACT

I've done several 16+ page scientifically done reports for high level college biology classes and have found so many myths, and no facts to support that marijuana is harmful other than inhaling smoke.  I've actually found info to support that it can help cure many diseases and help with healing and regrowth.

I can go on and on for hours about this subject.  If you don't like it for personal reasons then fine don't do it, I don't care.  But don't come around and tell people that it is WRONG to use it and you will DIE if you do.  That kind of behavior is asinine and I have no clue where you get off telling people that kind of information.

poor boy im sorry for you

I should never argue with you because you will never believe once you fell into this trap its hard to save yourself

you are so desperate you cant save yourself from the drug and you want to believe it that way

yeah its not harmful its ok to smoke its natural its good it cures many diseases

typical addicts , they always think they can stop smoking anytime they want but the thing is they never stop smoking : )

yea yea government spreads it government is bad government doesnt want you to get better hahahaha

why do you think government spreads it ha? i tell you why

because it is very hard to cure

i think you know how drug rehabilitation programs are

they take you to drug rehabilitation clinics or hospital and you stay there for months you have fit of hysterics , you cant imagine the pain and not only that

drug rehabilitation lasts for rest of your life

and if you have insurance government pays everything

also drugs lead to other health problems like cancer

the government spends billions of dollars every year just to save your miserable life and others like you

thats why they spread "false things" about your precious , miraculous cure , marijuana

"but no no i researched at school its good its cool its safe to smoke , only teens and pregnant woman shouldnt smoke"

"government is stupid , parents sucks , they are bad , i want to give all the money i have to drug sellers and farmers so they can be rich"

i wonder do you really think people behind this ( i mean big bosses , godfathers ) smoke?

here is a little secret : they never smoke

they trick people its safe to smoke , its natural , best cure in the world etc.. and you willingly give them all the money to die

actually i am shocked i cant believe you really think what you are saying is truth you are so desperate you want to believe its harmless but in reality it is not harmless it is going to kill you

government should have teached those things at school

but the good thing is now they teach at school , maybe you guys cannot be saved but they can save younglings

[no_leaf_clover]

You sound infinitely more miserable just to discuss marijuana than I am during any part of the day.

Peace be with you guy,  you still have no idea what you are talking about.  Not that I am asking you to go find out.  But it would never hurt to just stop talking.

and PS I don't even smoke it anymore.  So puff on that.

[OneMansJourney]

Alfera:

You do realize all drugs taken as medicine are chemicals that you put in your body, just like THC is a chemical?

I think you're far too deep in your belief systems to have any logical discussion, but it was worth a shot.

My only beef with using 'drugs' as a method to achieve altered states of consciousness is that YOU DIDN'T DO IT YOURSELF.

The most important part of this journey that we're on... IS THE JOURNEY.
While you're using drugs and skipping right to the goal, you're going to miss so many important lessons that you can only learn when walking the path.

They don't say "The journey is more important than the destination" for nothing.

I agree.. the greatest insights I've ever gotten are from smoking.

I try to meditate but what happens is I sit there with my eyes closed for 15+ minutes.  Smoking has given me an understanding of what possible changes can happen in my normal reality, as I didn't even knew they existed beforehand.

I only smoke once in a while on the weekends, and its always a learning experience.

Lately though I've come to realize what living in the now/moment is.  This actually happened while I was sober.  I noticed my awareness flickers from whatever sense I'm picking up to my thoughts extremely fast, and only sits on one for a second.  Since then, a couple times a day, I'll be able to hold my awareness onto being for more than just a split second and it was a really cool thing.

I was watching TV after I realized this and noticed I could passively watch the TV without getting involved.  That might seem like a DUH for some people, but it's like my emotions and thoughts would be attached to whatever was happening and if it was an intense moment I'd find myself intensely thinking about everything happening rather than just watching.

It was pleasing to be able to just exist without being tense about what's going to happen next.

Cool stuff.

[Alfera]

Alfera:

You do realize all drugs taken as medicine are chemicals that you put in your body, just like THC is a chemical?

I think you're far too deep in your belief systems to have any logical discussion, but it was worth a shot.

dont make me laugh

i was sure you would say something like that

look dude some drugs are taken as medicine or before the surgery ok

but answer that

when you visit a doctor

have you ever seen or heard about a doctor saying smoking drugs will cure you? or any in any hospital they make you smoke drugs?

we are not talking about ether , propofol , etomidate or ketamine here we are talking about kinds of drugs people smoke , all drugs not the same you know

you are the one who is too deep in belief systems

1.they dont use the exact same drug material
2.not the same dose
3.not via smoking

and so on , they handle drugs carefully

its pointless to argue with a drug smoker...
typical druggy you are
i see you have nothing to say
only calling me not logical
government , parents all those people stupid but you are the one who knows everything
thats just so sad

[Alfera]

You sound infinitely more miserable just to discuss marijuana than I am during any part of the day.

Peace be with you guy,  you still have no idea what you are talking about.  Not that I am asking you to go find out.  But it would never hurt to just stop talking.

and PS I don't even smoke it anymore.  So puff on that.

haha you can only fool yourself dude

(today) i dont smoke anymore (tomorrow) i smoke now (after smoking) i dont smoke anymore

maybe 8y old kids will believe you but not me

why would i be miserable? i just decided to dig into it more and not let it go and as expected onemansjourney start to talk nonsense
he said those things because he cannot save himself

he wants to believe it that way he is so desperate

and what can he say? there is nothing to say

and my advice to others dont ever think about smoking they are either lying or so desperate fooling themselves into "its harmless" "it even cures diseases"

forget about other health problems drugs cause , just by smoking you can have lung cancer

[no_leaf_clover]

Can I ask how old you are?  Depending on your answer I might just have to agree with you anyway.

[Xanth]

Whoa guys. 
Nobody really needs to tell others what or how to live.
You can not approve with their actions silently.
You two have made it known your opposing opinions.  It can only get ugly from here.