Are we addicted to Physical Reality?

[mcdwg]

Hello everyone, I hope I'm posting on the right spot. I have been reading a lot about astral projection and everything associated with it in the past two months so I'm very new but from what I have read in this forum, Internet sites and books I have read including Robert Monroe, would I be correct in saying that we (souls, spirits, energy) are addicted to our physical reality that we want to keep coming back to it to experience and to learn from emotions, feelings, physical senses and we somehow become addicted to this world and in doing so we lose, or forget some of our original self and more than likely we will need help to get us back to our roots? (Here I am talking about the retrieval process that Robert Monroe talks about in his books)

I have read a few posts I believe it was here where people ask why do we need a body, why be here when this world only has suffering and pain. Would it be accurate to say that looking at the bigger picture everything we have in this world, joy, pain, suffering, happiness, are all experiences that we (souls, spirits, original selfs) want to go through for the sake of learning? Now I have read that our physical reality was created by all of us (souls, spirits, original self) as a means to learn and experience and still be in harmony with our original self but overtime we have strayed from the original intent and now at this point in our physical reality as a human race are less in tune with our higuer self thus the ego factor, materialism, wars, suffering. Was all this the plan or a deviation from the original plan?

Then there's us who in one way or another have come to question religion beleifs, society rules, or are open minded enough to study other possibilities rather than accept what has been instilled in us since childhood. Are we the ones getting tired of the addiction? Have we experienced this physical reality so much that we are now ready to stop coming back after we die or are we conscious enough of our original purpose that our learning experience is just beginning?

I know it is a lot of pondering and I would appreciate anyones's comments or opinions.

Ruben

[Tiny]

Hello everyone, I hope I'm posting on the right spot. I have been reading a lot about astral projection and everything associated with it in the past two months so I'm very new but from what I have read in this forum, Internet sites and books I have read including Robert Monroe, would I be correct in saying that we (souls, spirits, energy) are addicted to our physical reality that we want to keep coming back to it to experience and to learn from emotions, feelings, physical senses and we somehow become addicted to this world and in doing so we lose, or forget some of our original self and more than likely we will need help to get us back to our roots? (Here I am talking about the retrieval process that Robert Monroe talks about in his books)

I have read a few posts I believe it was here where people ask why do we need a body, why be here when this world only has suffering and pain. Would it be accurate to say that looking at the bigger picture everything we have in this world, joy, pain, suffering, happiness, are all experiences that we (souls, spirits, original selfs) want to go through for the sake of learning? Now I have read that our physical reality was created by all of us (souls, spirits, original self) as a means to learn and experience and still be in harmony with our original self but overtime we have strayed from the original intent and now at this point in our physical reality as a human race are less in tune with our higuer self thus the ego factor, materialism, wars, suffering. Was all this the plan or a deviation from the original plan?

Then there's us who in one way or another have come to question religion beleifs, society rules, or are open minded enough to study other possibilities rather than accept what has been instilled in us since childhood. Are we the ones getting tired of the addiction? Have we experienced this physical reality so much that we are now ready to stop coming back after we die or are we conscious enough of our original purpose that our learning experience is just beginning?

I know it is a lot of pondering and I would appreciate anyones's comments or opinions.

Ruben

I would like to give what you just wrote a different twist.


What I'm about to write might be disturbing to many, so beware.

We can say that in the very fundament of the universe we have the principle of suffering.
Animals are forced to kill each other, some faster other slowlier, cause numbing fear in each other. It is natural in the universe, they are given the teeth and the programming in their brains.
In other words, suffering is natural in the universe.
But do we have to accept suffering? Of course not.
To help understand this, we must  look at the Universe in an objective view, not trying to whitewash it into something positive that it isn't, or just trying to downplay everything.
Neither is the answer to say "it just is" or "leave it be".
We must look at the purpose of suffering, as clearly there is a purpose of everything.

What follows is my opinion gathered through observation and research almost solely.

Suffering, like fear seems like a powerful extracting agent of energy, though we can say that both agents have different ways of doing it, they are just a few of the many agents.
The Universe is essentially a prison, designed to extract a maximum amounts from Light beings, who are beings of an original pure energetic based, loving nature. Their energy comes from the divine, far outside of this virtual reality.
The constructors and rulers of the virtual realities of the astral and physical are not like Light beings, though they can sometimes appear to. You can think of the machines from the Matrix or Terminator, they are composed of matter. They are able to express evil deep within themselves because they themselves are not true spirit-consciousness, they are matter. Even though apparently many of them get incarnated themselves, they are not the kind of TRUE-consciousness that true Light beings are composed of. They are souls like Light-beings have souls, but they do not contain the spirit-consciousness that Light-beings are on their core. The soul is what can be observed in the astral world, the spirit I believe can not so easily be visually observed. It can be observed best through the unconditional-love that is express by spirits.
We can say that life is a very complex process in which incarnations of true-beings are abused at every level, while providing the illusion that it has a positive meaning to them. This coaxes true-beings to carry on and comply with the many illusions in life and the illusions of the subsystems we know as societies and culture.
Getting back to the point, the Universe is like a giant farm designed to harvest a maximum amount of energy from non-matter-beings who get their energy from a source outside of the astral/physical.
From what I have seen, there are many ways the administrators of the astral manage to coax Light-beings into reincarnating.
Robert Monroe writes in his book "Far Journeys" of a rewind-like story "rote" he was given by astral beings, where Life was presented to them as an amusement park, a ride called something like "time-space illusion", while many imprisoning factors like not being able to remember one's time before one's birth were explained to them as "game rules".
Another well known way of getting true-beings to reincarnate are the well known astral-schools which can only be described as heavy "brain(spirit-)washing" centers.
There we are told that we incarnate to learn and that it is for our highest goods, and that we need to wash off our bad karma.
Tell me, how do you come clean with the guy who struck you down with his fists? The universal karmic system suggests that the guy be hit himself (on a larger scale being reincarnated). This leads to a perpetual cycle of negativity. Punishment, negativity through frustration and more punishment etc. Everyone knows you effectively solve conflicts by forgiving.
But the karmic system that governs the virtual reality of the physical and astral world does not support forgiveness. Forgiveness would end the prison cycle.
We can clearly see that this complex system is one big bulb of deception, designed to keep the perpetual cycle of reincarnation in tact, to ensure true-beings who are imprisoned in the physical can be harvested.

I don't pretend to know it all but this is my basic understanding.
Not suprisingly I have had a lot of negativity directed towards me as I used to state this so boldly, hence I have put a little disclaimer to the beginning, this time.

I'm trying hard not to appear like a meanie in any way, though some still like to perceive me as just that.


You mentioned being tired of life.
I have experienced this in very recent years evermore. it is not a desperate tiredness, it's more like (coming off) a persistent addiction as you mentioned, that is beginning to fade harshly now.

I have come to a sharp edge, where now my worldly attachments are fading so much, sometimes I feel, I would just like to sit there forever and meditate deeply into myself as if nothing in the world ever mattered.
My room looks like a mess and it doesn't bother me one bit.  
I'm tired of being a slave to the virtual-reality of the physical and astral systems. My effort lies in deprogramming myself so I can see more clearly and avoid traps and avoid creating prisons (within the prison) for myself.
I keep myself quite withdrawn from society so I can avoid some prisons. I often get caught up in the internet though which
holds many prisons itself.

I feel halfway liberated and happy as my attachments are fading but it is not without effort. There are a lot of distractions in society that act as doors to rejoin prisons and enter other new prisons aswell, all of which I'm trying to evade like bullets.
This is a fantastic time for the inner spirits of all true Light-beings, but holding on to the traps, the illusions can still make it a quite traumatic experience.

Just let go and you can feel this incredible joy.  


I hope this was readable, my english has eroded quite a bit this year.

By the way,

you just reminded me of a really crazy piece of music I heard on last.fm radio, it sounds as if you'd throw all the nonsensical craziness of this world into a blender. It's called "addicted to a dying world." You might want to check this out  , click the play button on the upper right.
http://www.last.fm/music/Melted%2520Rubber%2520Humans/_/Addicted%2520To%2520A%2520Dying%2520World?ac=addicted%20to%20a%20dying%20world

[mcdwg]

I would like to give what you just wrote a different twist.


What I'm about to write might be disturbing to many, so beware.

We can say that in the very fundament of the universe we have the principle of suffering.
Animals are forced to kill each other, some faster other slowlier, cause numbing fear in each other. It is natural in the universe, they are given the teeth and the programming in their brains.
In other words, suffering is natural in the universe.
But do we have to accept suffering? Of course not.
To help understand this, we must  look at the Universe in an objective view, not trying to whitewash it into something positive that it isn't, or just trying to downplay everything.
Neither is the answer to say "it just is" or "leave it be".
We must look at the purpose of suffering, as clearly there is a purpose of everything.

What follows is my opinion gathered through observation and research almost solely.

Suffering, like fear seems like a powerful extracting agent of energy, though we can say that both agents have different ways of doing it, they are just a few of the many agents.
The Universe is essentially a prison, designed to extract a maximum amounts from Light beings, who are beings of an original pure energetic based, loving nature. Their energy comes from the divine, far outside of this virtual reality.
The constructors and rulers of the virtual realities of the astral and physical are not like Light beings, though they can sometimes appear to. You can think of the machines from the Matrix or Terminator, they are composed of matter. They are able to express evil deep within themselves because they themselves are not true spirit-consciousness, they are matter. Even though apparently many of them get incarnated themselves, they are not the kind of TRUE-consciousness that true Light beings are composed of. They are souls like Light-beings have souls, but they do not contain the spirit-consciousness that Light-beings are on their core. The soul is what can be observed in the astral world, the spirit I believe can not so easily be visually observed. It can be observed best through the unconditional-love that is express by spirits.
We can say that life is a very complex process in which incarnations of true-beings are abused at every level, while providing the illusion that it has a positive meaning to them. This coaxes true-beings to carry on and comply with the many illusions in life and the illusions of the subsystems we know as societies and culture.
Getting back to the point, the Universe is like a giant farm designed to harvest a maximum amount of energy from non-matter-beings who get their energy from a source outside of the astral/physical.
From what I have seen, there are many ways the administrators of the astral manage to coax Light-beings into reincarnating.
Robert Monroe writes in his book "Far Journeys" of a rewind-like story "rote" he was given by astral beings, where Life was presented to them as an amusement park, a ride called something like "time-space illusion", while many imprisoning factors like not being able to remember one's time before one's birth were explained to them as "game rules".
Another well known way of getting true-beings to reincarnate are the well known astral-schools which can only be described as heavy "brain(spirit-)washing" centers.
There we are told that we incarnate to learn and that it is for our highest goods, and that we need to wash off our bad karma.
Tell me, how do you come clean with the guy who struck you down with his fists? The universal karmic system suggests that the guy be hit himself (on a larger scale being reincarnated). This leads to a perpetual cycle of negativity. Punishment, negativity through frustration and more punishment etc. Everyone knows you effectively solve conflicts by forgiving.
But the karmic system that governs the virtual reality of the physical and astral world does not support forgiveness. Forgiveness would end the prison cycle.
We can clearly see that this complex system is one big bulb of deception, designed to keep the perpetual cycle of reincarnation in tact, to ensure true-beings who are imprisoned in the physical can be harvested.

I don't pretend to know it all but this is my basic understanding.
Not suprisingly I have had a lot of negativity directed towards me as I used to state this so boldly, hence I have put a little disclaimer to the beginning, this time.

I'm trying hard not to appear like a meanie in any way, though some still like to perceive me as just that.


You mentioned being tired of life.
I have experienced this in very recent years evermore. it is not a desperate tiredness, it's more like (coming off) a persistent addiction as you mentioned, that is beginning to fade harshly now.

I have come to a sharp edge, where now my worldly attachments are fading so much, sometimes I feel, I would just like to sit there forever and meditate deeply into myself as if nothing in the world ever mattered.
My room looks like a mess and it doesn't bother me one bit.  
I'm tired of being a slave to the virtual-reality of the physical and astral systems. My effort lies in deprogramming myself so I can see more clearly and avoid traps and avoid creating prisons (within the prison) for myself.
I keep myself quite withdrawn from society so I can avoid some prisons. I often get caught up in the internet though which
holds many prisons itself.

I feel halfway liberated and happy as my attachments are fading but it is not without effort. There are a lot of distractions in society that act as doors to rejoin prisons and enter other new prisons aswell, all of which I'm trying to evade like bullets.
This is a fantastic time for the inner spirits of all true Light-beings, but holding on to the traps, the illusions can still make it a quite traumatic experience.

Just let go and you can feel this incredible joy.  


I hope this was readable, my english has eroded quite a bit this year.

By the way,

you just reminded me of a really crazy piece of music I heard on last.fm radio, it sounds as if you'd throw all the nonsensical craziness of this world into a blender. It's called "addicted to a dying world." You might want to check this out  , click the play button on the upper right.
http://www.last.fm/music/Melted%2520Rubber%2520Humans/_/Addicted%2520To%2520A%2520Dying%2520World?ac=addicted%20to%20a%20dying%20world

Wow it sure is a different twist. So what you are saying is that the universe is a big deception where we have been lured into to produce energy for other beings that need it?

Who are these beings? are they part of the source as well? or is there another explanation on that as well?

I will have to say I neither beleive it or don't beleive it since the possibilities are all there and I'm just starting my journey.

How have you come to beleive all this?

Thank you for your reply, I guess this is more to think about.

[Sadd-e Eskandar]

I would like to give what you just wrote a different twist.


What I'm about to write might be disturbing to many, so beware.

We can say that in the very fundament of the universe we have the principle of suffering.
Animals are forced to kill each other, some faster other slowlier, cause numbing fear in each other. It is natural in the universe, they are given the teeth and the programming in their brains.
In other words, suffering is natural in the universe.
But do we have to accept suffering? Of course not.
To help understand this, we must  look at the Universe in an objective view, not trying to whitewash it into something positive that it isn't, or just trying to downplay everything.
Neither is the answer to say "it just is" or "leave it be".
We must look at the purpose of suffering, as clearly there is a purpose of everything.

What follows is my opinion gathered through observation and research almost solely.

Suffering, like fear seems like a powerful extracting agent of energy, though we can say that both agents have different ways of doing it, they are just a few of the many agents.
The Universe is essentially a prison, designed to extract a maximum amounts from Light beings, who are beings of an original pure energetic based, loving nature. Their energy comes from the divine, far outside of this virtual reality.
The constructors and rulers of the virtual realities of the astral and physical are not like Light beings, though they can sometimes appear to. You can think of the machines from the Matrix or Terminator, they are composed of matter. They are able to express evil deep within themselves because they themselves are not true spirit-consciousness, they are matter. Even though apparently many of them get incarnated themselves, they are not the kind of TRUE-consciousness that true Light beings are composed of. They are souls like Light-beings have souls, but they do not contain the spirit-consciousness that Light-beings are on their core. The soul is what can be observed in the astral world, the spirit I believe can not so easily be visually observed. It can be observed best through the unconditional-love that is express by spirits.
We can say that life is a very complex process in which incarnations of true-beings are abused at every level, while providing the illusion that it has a positive meaning to them. This coaxes true-beings to carry on and comply with the many illusions in life and the illusions of the subsystems we know as societies and culture.
Getting back to the point, the Universe is like a giant farm designed to harvest a maximum amount of energy from non-matter-beings who get their energy from a source outside of the astral/physical.
From what I have seen, there are many ways the administrators of the astral manage to coax Light-beings into reincarnating.
Robert Monroe writes in his book "Far Journeys" of a rewind-like story "rote" he was given by astral beings, where Life was presented to them as an amusement park, a ride called something like "time-space illusion", while many imprisoning factors like not being able to remember one's time before one's birth were explained to them as "game rules".
Another well known way of getting true-beings to reincarnate are the well known astral-schools which can only be described as heavy "brain(spirit-)washing" centers.
There we are told that we incarnate to learn and that it is for our highest goods, and that we need to wash off our bad karma.
Tell me, how do you come clean with the guy who struck you down with his fists? The universal karmic system suggests that the guy be hit himself (on a larger scale being reincarnated). This leads to a perpetual cycle of negativity. Punishment, negativity through frustration and more punishment etc. Everyone knows you effectively solve conflicts by forgiving.
But the karmic system that governs the virtual reality of the physical and astral world does not support forgiveness. Forgiveness would end the prison cycle.
We can clearly see that this complex system is one big bulb of deception, designed to keep the perpetual cycle of reincarnation in tact, to ensure true-beings who are imprisoned in the physical can be harvested.

I don't pretend to know it all but this is my basic understanding.
Not suprisingly I have had a lot of negativity directed towards me as I used to state this so boldly, hence I have put a little disclaimer to the beginning, this time.

I'm trying hard not to appear like a meanie in any way, though some still like to perceive me as just that.


You mentioned being tired of life.
I have experienced this in very recent years evermore. it is not a desperate tiredness, it's more like (coming off) a persistent addiction as you mentioned, that is beginning to fade harshly now.

I have come to a sharp edge, where now my worldly attachments are fading so much, sometimes I feel, I would just like to sit there forever and meditate deeply into myself as if nothing in the world ever mattered.
My room looks like a mess and it doesn't bother me one bit.  
I'm tired of being a slave to the virtual-reality of the physical and astral systems. My effort lies in deprogramming myself so I can see more clearly and avoid traps and avoid creating prisons (within the prison) for myself.
I keep myself quite withdrawn from society so I can avoid some prisons. I often get caught up in the internet though which
holds many prisons itself.

I feel halfway liberated and happy as my attachments are fading but it is not without effort. There are a lot of distractions in society that act as doors to rejoin prisons and enter other new prisons aswell, all of which I'm trying to evade like bullets.
This is a fantastic time for the inner spirits of all true Light-beings, but holding on to the traps, the illusions can still make it a quite traumatic experience.

Just let go and you can feel this incredible joy.  


I hope this was readable, my english has eroded quite a bit this year.

By the way,

you just reminded me of a really crazy piece of music I heard on last.fm radio, it sounds as if you'd throw all the nonsensical craziness of this world into a blender. It's called "addicted to a dying world." You might want to check this out  , click the play button on the upper right.
http://www.last.fm/music/Melted%2520Rubber%2520Humans/_/Addicted%2520To%2520A%2520Dying%2520World?ac=addicted%20to%20a%20dying%20world

Many years ago I found a book about future past lives(non-fiction), on my local Library. In one of the chapters, the person who was going to live some 500 hundred years from now experienced one life and when he died, reached a sort of astral station; where astral beings were being coerced to have another physical body. Basically, the premise was that of a After-life ruled by  a council of beings(for all effects, the person as Christian so he refers to the leader of the council as Lucifer - he believes so - and his fallen angels), beings being fed by the astral energy and the suffering physical beings go through.

To be frank, I never quite understood the concept of rebirth. And, I think the final objective is to merge with the Source and loose one's individuality?

I'm sorry, but I'm not keen on that.

[Xanth]

If I'm addicted to this physical reality... then I'm seriously not feeling it.
I'm sick of this physical reality actually and the entities that inhabit it.

... this isn't how I want to experience my physical life.  Wading through a cesspool of greed, suffering and utter stupidity.

I'm pretty sure this isn't what I signed up for.   

[Stookie]

Everyone's so negative around here lately. Am I the only one who can get some joy out of life? I get down too sometimes, but the ups are more than worth it. Physical reality is an amazing thing.

[Xanth]

Everyone's so negative around here lately. Am I the only one who can get some joy out of life? I get down too sometimes, but the ups are more than worth it. Physical reality is an amazing thing.

The negative nancies of the world are really starting to drag on me.
I do get some joy out of life though. 
I have a wonderful house which I bought with my awesome girlfriend.
We both slave for 8 hours a day at work... but then come home and have lots of fun playing World of Warcraft!

... but then even the stuff we enjoy has the negative aspects to it.
Like all the STUPID PEOPLE who play WoW.  LoL
but meh...

See!  I do enjoy stuff too. 

[phxsun]

The physical is sometimes quite  an amazing place to be, but I wish sometimes that the astral and physical were more connected in a more aware state for all of us. Life in the physical might be a whole lot easier.

[iNNERvOYAGER]

IMO, the idea presented by Tiny isn't negativity, it's more of a reality check.

I try to do my little positive contribution by feeling as high and at peace as possible during meditation.

[zareste]

Heh, I was just reading a quote by Einstein. "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Well, I contest that there is no physical reality, not even an illusion. What we have are intelligent life forms within the universe, viewing it subjectively, each constructing their own model of what the universe is. This means one person's physical reality is not another person's physical reality, even if the two realities can communicate and become similar. No two parts of the universe can view it exactly alike, therefore, one person's reality can follow rules different from another person's reality.

That's why I say dreams are as real as the physical. Some sorcerers in history have 'dropped out' of physical reality to go live in dream worlds with other people. You wonder, how is it possible to leave the physical and live in a dream, if dreams are just a psychological construct?  Simple: Because the physical is a psychological construct.

But hey it's a fun construct sometimes.

[Leannain]

Heh, I was just reading a quote by Einstein. "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Well, I contest that there is no physical reality, not even an illusion. What we have are intelligent life forms within the universe, viewing it subjectively, each constructing their own model of what the universe is. This means one person's physical reality is not another person's physical reality, even if the two realities can communicate and become similar. No two parts of the universe can view it exactly alike, therefore, one person's reality can follow rules different from another person's reality.

That's why I say dreams are as real as the physical. Some sorcerers in history have 'dropped out' of physical reality to go live in dream worlds with other people. You wonder, how is it possible to leave the physical and live in a dream, if dreams are just a psychological construct?  Simple: Because the physical is a psychological construct.

But hey it's a fun construct sometimes.

What if the astral realms etc are also a fantasy?

The other day I finished reading a book about Remote viewing. The author says that he Remote viewed the creative source etc.  Basically, he said that God was feeling lonesome so he created the Universe, the other souls etc etc. So I was thinking. If God is convinced by someone to go back to the point in time nothing was there except him, everything never existed thus, Immortality is also an illusion.

Besides, the idea of having my immortality always on the line(the author says God will never return to the origin point because he would feel lonely again)lingering in the moods of a God...nah. what I want is to become my own God; independent of the Source so when God changes his mind, I am not destroyed.

[zareste]

What if the astral realms etc are also a fantasy?

That's sorta what I was getting at, actually. The astral would be a psychological construct just like the physical. The things going on in our imagination are as real as the world around us, because the world around us is equally imaginary.

For example, you see the window next to you, and it looks transparent. Your mind thinks of the window as being universally transparent, however, if someone out there only sees ultraviolet light, the window will appear black to them. What you've assumed to be universally true turns out to be nothing but a personal model of the universe. If someone only saw deep IR rays, the WALL will appear transparent to them. We just commonly agree that it is opaque

And this gets stranger when you account for people whose minds have lost touch with others. I read an account by someone who did LSD a long time ago, and it still impacts the way he sees the world. Sometimes he'll look at a window, and the curtains will be blowing in the wind, even though there is no wind in the room. So you wonder, is he wrong, or are we wrong? The rest of us would commonly agree that the curtains are not moving, but who is correct?

Well, neither. The curtains are an interpretation of the universe's data, made tangible to our minds. We created the image of the curtains based on a set of rules we subconsciously communicate, and sometimes a person decides to break those rules

I think we're 'addicted' to physical reality because it's fun to share a common imaginary world with others. Sometimes we dislike the willy-nilly realities we dream up at night, and prefer something more certain and persistent

[Yamabushi]

That's sorta what I was getting at, actually. The astral would be a psychological construct just like the physical. The things going on in our imagination are as real as the world around us, because the world around us is equally imaginary.

For example, you see the window next to you, and it looks transparent. Your mind thinks of the window as being universally transparent, however, if someone out there only sees ultraviolet light, the window will appear black to them. What you've assumed to be universally true turns out to be nothing but a personal model of the universe. If someone only saw deep IR rays, the WALL will appear transparent to them. We just commonly agree that it is opaque

Yeah, I was going to point out something like this. And when you think about this it also raises the issue of whether physics should continue to be called physics, given that physicality and even shared reality is a hologramic experience with broad subquantum informatic bases.

[Leannain]

Awesome posts by both of you. So essentially, God and the Universe is an holographic projection? How do we terminate it?

[Zino]

Well really...At least for the bad things in life we have the Astral to turn to? Many people don't know of it or don't believe in it, which is why it is such a sanctuary, if everyone on earth knew and understood it, many would use it for evil. So, think of the Astral as an escape from the physical plane

[Killa Rican]

As many experience here im getting sicker and sicker of this pathetic excuse for any existence. whether this Materiel Physical is all their is or more its best not to speculate on beyond but live for here and now and from what our 5 senses can conlude. If their does turn out to be an after life thats just a bonus! <^_^>

[no_leaf_clover]

Robert Monroe says we're addicted to the physical experience.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCFWoBS1sKk

[Leannain]

Why don't we turn that around and say people are addicted to Spiritual/whatever experience?

I can see why the physical world is so addictive. If the spiritual world knows no boundaries, wouldn't that dimension be more addictive than the physical world?

I confess I would rather choose Immortality in human form than spiritual form. The whys are pretty clear.

[Xanth]

You couldn't pay me enough or give me enough compensation to be immortal in this human form...
Actually, I don't think I can think of better HELL than that.

[Stookie]

Yeah, there's a part of me that looks forward to saying "well, I'm glad that's over". But until then I'm gonna drive it til the wheels fall off.

[Xanth]

Yeah, there's a part of me that looks forward to saying "well, I'm glad that's over". But until then I'm gonna drive it til the wheels fall off.

I'm only 30 and unfortunately, my wheels are already starting to rust... LoL

[Zino]

If we're meant to be in the 'spiritual' world then doesn't that beg the question why we spend so much time in the physical world? Maybe, it's allot better for us then we think?

[Xanth]

If we're meant to be in the 'spiritual' world then doesn't that beg the question why we spend so much time in the physical world? Maybe, it's allot better for us then we think?

Who says that the time we're here is "long"?
In perspective, we could be experiencing this physical existence in the proverbial "dimensional blink of an eye".