I've never had any luck with it. I find it much harder to focus while I'm stoned. People take to it differently though. When I first started smoking I loved it. But I've done it for so long that it's not that fun anymore and my mind copes with it a lot differently. Pretty much it just shuts off and I can't think for spit. I need my brain functioning properly so that I put full effort into concentration. As far as pot opening the doorway for spritiual experiences and telekenisis, well, why would you think that? Have you ever tried to move a piece of paper across the room with not success, then get stoned and you succeed? Doesn't sound very likely to me. The only profound experiences I've ever had on drugs has been on mushrooms.
yea, i guess ur right how people respond to it differently. i with personal experience find that i cant concentrate worth poo till i smoke some, and within minuits its raising my energies so significantly i can make ki balls in half the time i usually do. It raises the vibrations of your body significantly in that it shifts you from the usual physically active person to a less physical more psychic experience, u just have to know where to go with it. i think you should try seeing the differences between sober and pot.
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I honestly believe marijuana enhances all psychic experiences.... but i really want to hear FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCED drugs, i want to hear their opinion. ever since i started to meditate i have taken a small dose of pot before doing so and have found unbelievable results in doing so.... so really i want to know if im the only one out there that thinks pot is an enhancer, and if im not id like to hear some experiences other people have had with using the herb for desired effects..... :)
"Amplifier" is the word I use for the fruit of the "kaneh bosm" tree. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts (cannabis = kaneh bosm). If it amplifies you incorrectly, i.e. a paranoid reaction resulting from one's social neuroses, then don't use it. Its not a herb that affects one's dopamine (dope) receptors, but affects the higher memory and logic function, and impairs the short term memory a bit when used.
Abraham, Moses and Mohammed all used it, especially the Hebrews who used it as part of their incense mix for the prayer tent. Natives generally include it in both their tent purification rituals as well as the peace pipe. If Jesus was Isa/Essa and went east and taught after his bar mitzvah, then he used it too. In Nepal the monks use it daily and one day a week is set aside for the population to use it.
Its the herbal panacea for psychic development as far as I'm concerned. The trick is to "get shady before math" until you're proficient, not "shady aftermath". I generally score 5-15 points more on average re IQ when I've smoked pot. I've been a Mensan for a long time, and I've called this stuff "brain food" since I was a teen.
Contary to expectations my IQ has increased consistantly during my life, when its supposed to fall off in one's middle age. It's at lifetime record levels (for me) these days.
Have fun![8D]
Red Dragon
Raven shaman
i would like to hear if anyone else agrees, and maybe state their sucess with it, im always looking for new things to broaden my knowledge of the stuff. feel free to post.
The effects of weed can be a varied as the people who use it, it can be classified as both a depressant and a stimulant. I think most people would agree though that it is much better to be able to do phychic and other paranormal stuff without the influence of weed. Mostly becuase it makes you better and you get the satisfaction of knowing you did it on your own without cheating anyway what-so-ever.
actually, pot is classed as a hallucinogen- cause if you smoke enough...
from my experience, drug use is to be limited to no more than once every other month. keep in mind that you are introducing chemicals into your body that aren't perfect matches. i.e. they will have side effects if allowed to accumulate in your body. marijuana should be limited to once every couple of months, due to the fact that it leaves so slowly.
shamans only use these drugs in small quantities very infrequently. just enough to help the shaman on hir journey- not take hir there itself.
note: hir is a combination of male/female pronouns. latin had it- we need to bring it back.
that's not entirely true. but they used it for some nouns.
Don't use drugs! PERIOD.
Smoke & chemicals only pollutes the body. Your vibrations will be low I do agree!!!
Try to wean yourself off that junk. In time, when your body is free of garbage, you will find meditation far greater with a pure body then with help from chemicals.
Blessed be....
Blissful
I've never heard of anyone hallucinating from pot. I'd think you'd be a vegetable before you could see things. Now, granted, I've heard stories and I myself have seen things in the sky.... but I feel it was more from my brain rather than from pot. Mushrooms are a different story though....
Also, in my experience pot is a downer for dreaming. It doesn't improve my perception. It enhances my love of life, but it's not nearly as effective or long-lasting as true love and meditation!!
For myself I use it to relax, change my perception and most of the time just to have fun.
As far as meditation and energy work goes, I find that it does help, although this depends on other variables.
Like did I have a long day ? Am I tired ?
Also when smoking marijuana you will eventually burn out and be tired. So really you have a time-limit. I would think it varies from person to person. I wish I could find out how I could slow or stop that. But anyways, most people do not like it becuase of the stereotypes it has recieved and the ones that those who use it have recieved.
there are many "closet" smokers, whom do not openly admit to smoking it. doctors, lawyers, university professors etc.
I would suggest if you are having positive benifits from it to continue, but to remember too do the same things not-stone to have it well rounded.
ive seen alot of interesting points being thrown across the board. i agree both ways, you can really go into a debate on the drug, no doubt. from what ive read i think it would be best to say pot is a good thing to train urself on, but once you get alittle on down the road its time to take the training wheels off. maybe if you are having trouble advancing you could put them back on every once and a while, but to gain a dependance on something of that sort is dangerous.
I smoked pot back in the 80's when I was learning spiritual and psychic stuff. I found it to be very helpful in my allowing myself to let go of conventional thinking and opening my mind to more spiritual things.
As far as pot and an OBE. One time myself and one other person smoked an entire quarter bag. I passed out and had an awesome OBE I flew up out and around the room for a while. Then I flew around my town, then I flew straight up. I wanted to go to Alpha Centauri, and I did. I flew through dozens of different Galaxies and Solar Systems. It was a visual delight that is difficult to explain. Then I went and met with my Guides and had some pretty intense conversations. They really helped me to open my mind.
Note: All of those things were done consciously and intentionally. I just thought I want to do this, and did. Some will believe, and others will just say it was a bad trip. But gopherboy455 wanted to know others experiences, so here it is. [:D]
I have read many yoga manuals that talk about being able to use herbs / plants / etc. to open yourself up. However, they always warn that it should only be done under the guidance of a master and not everyone is suited for this.
Whatever works for you...
I got far, but then I collapsed and had to rebuild my mind. Flew to close to the sun using plastic wings... Periodic use is perhaps best. Genseng can help stave off drowsiness.
hello :)
Ah... Marijuana and Spiritual Progression. The two have gone hand and hand throughout much of my adult life. (I am almost 28).
The danger, however, is not in the drug itself, but in the user.
I thought I'd have more to write, but... if I began, I'd prob. end up writing a book! haha. I'd love to share more, if you have any specific questions.
joya
Yes, I agree the danger is in the user.
I have many questions. I've abandoned pot as I got lost in my head with it. I get to a place where it seems like everyone knows what I am thinking. Which is ok, except that I start to feel critical of people and then it seems like they are reacting to what I am thinking and whee away we go down a dark black hole.
I also get to a place where it just seems like there is nothing to say. It feels like all words are inadequate and... It is like every time I smoke I am brought to a level of awarness that is awesome and then afterwards it is as though I have forgotten everything I saw and I am back to where I was.
Hrm, no questions. Do you have any tips as to how to use pot to enhance spiritual pursuits?
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Yes, I agree the danger is in the user.....
Hrm, no questions. Do you have any tips as to how to use pot to enhance spiritual pursuits?
A couple of tips....
Before you use pot for spiritual pursuits, ensure that you're comfortable with it, i.e. no paranoid sensations from social neuroses about using it etc. This herb effects one's higher memory and logic centres, not the dopamine receptors like recreational drugs. The Canadian Medical Association's research shows that one joint a day increases the average IQ 5 to 10 points.
Next....
Before using pot for spiritual contemplation, I'd recommend body and mind excercises with it. Bodily pursuits include things like athletics; swimming, golf, etc. Mental pursuits include doing maths, crossword puzzles, logic problems, etc.
Attain some proficiency in doing these things with pot, i.e lowering your handicap & lap times, doing the NY Times crossword in under 2 hrs or 1 hr ideally as a benchmark, the Dell Magazine's Logic problems in under an hour (set your own benchmark), etc.
It seems to work well with the heart chakra in balance, when a warm sense of joy and wonder enter the heart. I've never had a bad Kundalini reaction with it, it seems to assist in controlling the process when I do it. But I rarely do Kundalini anyway, its not my primary method and besides my snake is fully awake, alive and well.
Needless to say, stop if you get zooey or dizzy sensations with it when meditating, contemplating or trancing. All shamans I know or have corresonded with use it and recommend it for non shamanic types, although I've read about other shamanic traditions that use plants with hallucinogenic properties. I wouldn't recommend the latter, even mushrooms. It might be OK for shamanic types (they're rare anyway), but to me there's too great a risk of losing control.
The long term benefits of using it seem to help enable one to activate one's own built in caduceus functioning - your own internal psychic healing of tissue and organs. This is just a hypothesis at this stage. Practice the "fire snake", Kundalini first, its just one single headed snake. Kundalini is not without its problems for westerners per http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni.html .
Wait until you get the two double headed snakes of your own caduceus going!!! [:O] That happens when one opens up their crown chakra fully and survives and stays sane... glow in the dark jokes are appropriate! [:D] I've found very little literature about this. The Maya etc. have cultural references to the double headed snakes, but the writings and knowledge were lost and destroyed when the Europeans arrived.
(http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/snakepics/cobra.JPG)Double headed cobra decorated with lotus from a Chinese children's book. Cobras are kissing while making love.
Have fun![:o)]
Red Dragon
Raven shaman[8D]
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This is a very interesting point. I have found first that grass definately mushes up the head in terms of thinking and concentration. BUT, after a smoke, doing energy raising using body awareness, I found a massive increase in sensitivity. I could really feel my energy body, really feel the pulling of energy up my legs and had very strong secondary and primary centre activation.
My idea - its good to really feel the energy body and movement of energy but I dont think grass has a part of serious development work. Tell me I am wrong :-)
double headed snake kundalini?!
Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure my Kundalini has been active. I can feel strong burning (although the burning sensation is not as terrific as it used to be) in my spine. I can raise the energy up to ajna/third eye chakra, but nothing happens... No head blowing up and all that good stuff I've heard about.
Yes, pot is terrific for doing energy work.
When I was using pot for development work initially it made things easy, as it made it easier for me to work on my energy body, thus easier to clear my energy body, thus making me more "spiritual"
However, I had my head blown away with it once and ever since things usually get out of control when I use it. I'm working on that though.
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double headed snake kundalini?!
Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure my Kundalini has been active. I can feel strong burning (although the burning sensation is not as terrific as it used to be) in my spine. I can raise the energy up to ajna/third eye chakra, but nothing happens... No head blowing up and all that good stuff I've heard about.
Double headed snake "CADUCEUS" (i.e. symbol of medicine), past Kundalini and what one can do with an activated crown chakra. What folks on this board call the 3rd eye chakra isn't, its the brow chakra, with the "finger" of the pineal gland or crown chakra vibrating. The head can blow up when you actually activate the body (not finger portion which points at the brow chakra or pituitary) of the pineal or the crown chakra. When you see the waving shimmering curtain or veil like projection with gold lights in it, your crown chakra is ready to be activated. Check my other posts.
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However, I had my head blown away with it once and ever since things usually get out of control when I use it. I'm working on that though.
A lot of crappy "street" pot is spiked with chemicals to make it appear stronger, hallucinogenic. Grow your own to be safe. "Head blowing away" sounds like a PCP (angel dust) reaction. That s**t takes a long time to get out of your system. A lot of pot is spiked with PCP, and I've had it happen to me too. I now grow my own, about 3 or 4 different types (guerilla gardening), depending on what the head and/or body needs.
Have fun![:D]
Red Dragon
Raven shaman[8D]
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Originally posted by astrallife
My idea - its good to really feel the energy body and movement of energy but I dont think grass has a part of serious development work. Tell me I am wrong :-)
OK, you're wrong.[8D]
It CAN be, it doesn't have to be. It has a good historical track record. With all due respect to the users of this board and Robert Bruce, I'm further along than anyone I've seen posting here, and I use it. For instance, I actually did open my wings, its not just a "sign off".
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"Enki Renki Du!!!" Have fun![:D]
Red Dragon
Raven shaman[8D]
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my two drug related topics have been such hits, i think i may post more topics on drugs, and psychadelic experiences. it excites me to see what a good informer these two topics have become.
an answer to halphased: spiritual growth and pot can be achieved by, well its different for evreyone so heres the guideline. pot enhances meaning it makes something better that wasnt before, find in yourself what has evolved, been enhanced within you after you hit up, find that and ride it, sit down and meditate the whole time. it will take you to places you would never know existed. also on my post about salvia i talk about salvia being a shortcut to places that are already there, but since salvia is your bike and the only way to get there is the road, then salvia is better than walking u kno? ne way this one person posted
Originally posted by majour ka
whats best? bieng dropped on top of the moutain by helicopter and planting the flag, ....or climbing it your self?
i agree that its good to climb the mountain by yourself, but dont you think being dropped on the top without the walk would let u get used to the top of the mountain, and that the next time you decide to walk it you will have a better feel of the mountain and in that sense achieve the top much faster.
back to the growth halphased, you cant just let pot do the work for you, pot opens the doors, you must walk through them, i hope that helped you
Hey RedDragon ~ What do you mean you "really opened your wings"??? I'm curious to learn more. Also, quite interesting about the Cadedus and kundalini... I never knew the two serpents referenced that. (How come this stuff isn't more widely known? argh! Or perhaps I've yet to learn (remember) because of not being ready.
To Halfphased ~ I understand completely what you are saying about knowing people's thoughts. I prefer to smoke pot when I am by myself, though some social situation (and sometimes sex) are great contexts too. I encounted that whole thought thing too. At first it was intense and I found myself retreating. And, yes, I became critical too by the level some people operate at and what drives them. BUT I used these experiences as challenges and pushed ahead. It helped me in not only "knowing" that we are all one, but feeling it. Go with it. Except it. Push through this and the world will open up again.
joya
i agree with you gopherboy455 pot helps me on my abilitys alot to tell you the truth.you know how pot brings you down when you start to come down? i have found an additive that makes it 10 times more effective to not bring you down but i am not telling anyone to try it or telling anyone to try it but meth will keep you awake and boost awareness of your surroundings and is very usefull REMEMBER I DONT WANT ANYONE TO TRY IT OR TO TELL ANYONE TO TRY IT THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY FOR INFO ONLY thank you[:)]
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i agree with you gopherboy455 pot helps me on my abilitys alot to tell you the truth.you know how pot brings you down when you start to come down? i have found an additive that makes it 10 times more effective to not bring you down but i am not telling anyone to try it or telling anyone to try it but meth will keep you awake and boost awareness of your surroundings and is very usefull REMEMBER I DONT WANT ANYONE TO TRY IT OR TO TELL ANYONE TO TRY IT THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY FOR INFO ONLY thank you[:)]
Meth or Crystal Meth, ie methamphetamines are horrible drugs. Do not take or do them ! They are made to get people addicted, and can cause serious mental problems.
Please, do some research. I used to be against drugs, not knowing. Taking the time to learn about stuff I found out not all drugs are as bad as society makes them out to be. Meth is. Its a bad drug, again, made so that you will get addicted to and it will ruin your life. Just like crack.
These are not plants or herbs. These are man-made... for one thing.
Not a buzz, nor for spiritaul use.
These are made for money. and the cost is your life, happiness and sanity
oh i am not a meth user i used it once to see what the effect was but that is where i left it because i did some research on it but thanks for your caring enuff to tell me not to do it anymore
[:)][:D][8D]
my good friend just killed himself cuz of meth, not a cool thing.
Hello joya250!
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Hey RedDragon ~ What do you mean you "really opened your wings"??? I'm curious to learn more. Also, quite interesting about the Cadedus and kundalini... I never knew the two serpents referenced that. (How come this stuff isn't more widely known? argh! Or perhaps I've yet to learn (remember) because of not being ready.
This "wings" effect is something that happens after you've fully opened your crown chakra. It happens in the star lit void, what some folks call "past the 11th dimension". I'm pretty sure its a good thing and indicates that you've attained the ability to levitate or fly.
Why there's not a lot of info about it is that very few people it seems have opened their crown chakra, even fewer in the west. What people on this board refer to the crown chakra is more the brow chakra.
The two serpents wrapped around a winged staff is the symbol of medicine, or what's called a caduceus. The double headed snake effect again happens after the crown chakra opens and its like a mental, spiritual and physical cleansing which may involve psychic surgery on oneself (automatically) if needed. It lasts for weeks.
It feels like the 4 "heads" anchor themselves in a certain part of the body and their bodies go through your systems that need fixing. With me it was my lungs, heart, throat and lymph node tracts. Hey, I'm an old(er) guy, I've built up a lot of damage over the years!
I'm also pretty sure its an African "connect" thing and perhaps Mayan as well.
Have fun![:P]
Red Dragon
Raven shaman[8D]
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I've used Cannabis for many years and foud it to have no effect on my ability to Astral Project. When I smoke my dream recall is heawily redused and I can't keep fokus for longer periods of time.[:o)]
When working with energy it's a bit different.
I find it easier to controll and manipulate energy, it's easier to feel the energy, and easier to think complicated thoughts (but not for too long).
I do not recomend Cannabis (Marihuana and Hasjis) as an aid to Astral Projection, simply because it hasn't been working for me. I've tried and tested Cannabis for Astral Projection for 3 years with no results. If you have to take a "drug", try Sage (Salvia Divinorum) but be warned: It can be a very heawy experience! I've tried Sage 3 times and feel that's enough for me. I still smoke pot, but not every day.
I know that some people do have an Astral Projection while on Pot, but I am not one of them.[xx(]
I found that the best way to Astral Project is when my body is free from all kinds of drugs. Then I'm in "complete controll"[:D].
The best tip I can give regarding Astral Projection is this;
Start working with your energy, read NEW by Robert Bruce, or better still; read and do the exercises in Astral Dynamics (by Robert Bruce).
Robert Bruce has by far the best and easies way out of body.
Hope this answers your question. To sum it up I'd say; I don't recomend Cannabis for Astral Projection, but I do recomend cannabis as a supstitute for alcohol and/or medication (some, not all).
Enjoint[8D]
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I honestly believe marijuana enhances all psychic experiences whether u want to project, open chakras, move a piece of paper across the room, anything that requires concentration/meditation. now ive seen that some people on this site disagree on my choice (pot) but i really want to hear FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCED drugs, i want to hear their opinion. ever since i started to meditate i have taken a small dose of pot before doing so and have found unbelievable results in doing so. Ive come so far with it too, now im not saying do pot and itll make ur dreams come true. u can smoke it and sit there while nothing happens, or you can sit down and meditate, this is when the magic begins. so really i want to know if im the only one out there that thinks pot is an enhancer, and if im not id like to hear some experiences other people have had with using the herb for desired effects..... :)
THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY IS! Don't use pot! No drugs! Bad Bad Bad!!! It damages your astral entity!
And, you dont wanna rely on stuff for your psychic developement dooo you?
Hmmm...
I can only offer you what I experienced, and I'm quite special with pot it seems. So use what you can from this.
I smoked pot quite a lot of times, maybe I should add I have some experience with Mushrooms too. I'm not the type to stress out and run around screaming I'm dying.
Low dosage: I experience heavy bodily hallucinations, like my limbs are loose and floating to where they want. This I solve by keeping my body moving. I always 'pull a whitey', pale skin, racing heart. This often is accompanied by a kind of stress that's hard to describe. A non-tense stress of some sort. Generally I feel just silent, sick and cold. I never had any laughs on pot.
High dosage: I get deaf, after a while practically blind and I have to lie down. This is losing my mind, and I fully understand the (mental)danger in this. It feels like dying, losing sanity for ever, but I'm okay now. :) After what seems like an half an hour I can walk again and my body is just cold, pale, racing heart and feeling sick. My thoughts weren't deep, I couldn't focus better than normal. My thoughts felt like they are when on the verge of sleeping, still I could process some logic in the 'background', peventing me from going paranoid.
I don't know if this is an enhanchement, doesn't feel like it.. it feels like poisening my body, that's all.
May I also add I react very bad to it. It's not fun you know, all my friends smoke a few blunts and I trip on low dosages. Besides, I'm never in the mood for monkey business while on it.
The body hallucinations however could be interpreted as 'moving energy', that was very easy. I agree. I'm not sure if it means anything more than that your coordination centre is messed. Mushrooms work much more pleasant and higer-leveled on me.
Good luck man[:)]
The last time I was stoned, I can remember being able to feel the flow of energy through my body a lot better. As for pot helping AP, I've never tried.
However, I would recommend trying to do psychic stuff when you're sober, as pot and most other helpful drungs are illegal in most countries, and I don't think anyone here wants to get arrested.
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THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO SAY IS! Don't use pot! No drugs! Bad Bad Bad!!! It damages your astral entity!
Ack and there I was thinking not even a supernova could damage my astral being.
Seriously, if one chooses to use drugs then choose to use drugs. But don't expect wisdom to come in a pill or a syringe.
hey only show you what you are, not what you can or will be. If tey give you something worthwhile then all is wel, if not then don't use them.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Well, I smoke weed (not all the time though... LOL), and I find that I can't quieten my mind if I've been smoking it.
However, if you click on the link below, which will take you to the topic I'm referring to, I forgot to mention that I'd had a bit of weed prior to what happened to me.
So... for the most part, I'd say that weed doesn't help me to AP or anything similar, since what happened to me was the first time that had happened while I was stoned.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12569
What about eating it? hash cake?
I honestly believe marijuana enhances all psychic experiences whether u want to project, open chakras, move a piece of paper across the room, anything that requires concentration/meditation. now ive seen that some people on this site disagree on my choice (pot) but i really want to hear FROM SOMEONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCED drugs, i want to hear their opinion. ever since i started to meditate i have taken a small dose of pot before doing so and have found unbelievable results in doing so. Ive come so far with it too, now im not saying do pot and itll make ur dreams come true. u can smoke it and sit there while nothing happens, or you can sit down and meditate, this is when the magic begins. so really i want to know if im the only one out there that thinks pot is an enhancer, and if im not id like to hear some experiences other people have had with using the herb for desired effects..... :)