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 Hello, has anybody here ever tried a Light and Sound Machine? I had a Phase Session yesterday where I noticed I was actually using one. I did some brief research on the topic and found that the Laxman is the 'Rolls Royce" of L/S Machines. I am curious whether it might make the Astral experience deeper and easier to maintain focus and memory. Here is a website pertaining to this http://www.mindmodulations.com/Laxman-Light-Sound-Mind-Machine.html. I find the fact that you can enter your own programs in this to be a great selling point. I would love to here your constructive views on this unit and opinions.

Edit: February 20th/2014
Mindmodulations.com has been closed for over 2 years now.  Neurotronics (the maker of the Laxman) does have another distributor in the USA : It is Marks General Services (Mark Adamak) from Wisconsin (www.marksgs.com).

i have seen googles that are designed for LDs <.<! but those googles are too expensive :\

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 Thank you Lord_Dark for your quick reply. After my Phase Session I went on-line to find a comparable version of the Goggles I saw in my hands in the Astral and the only ones that fit the visual was the Laxman. I was also shown that those were the ones because I was going to be taught to Phase with my eyes open and those Goggles have that ability. I was also told when I first started my Astral training back in February of 2011, that sacrifice was needed for success and that I was never to "go cheap" on anything that I was shown to purchase, meaning any tools or programs. Before February of last year I had my mind set on purchasing a CPC 800 GPS Telescope from Celestron. The package I was looking at was $1989.89. It was the top of the line for a beginner like myself. This was to be my Christmas present this year, Mary Jo even gave me an empty box for Christmas. But in my Phase Session last night I was shown that I now I understand why I was being drawn to the stars, that I was being shown to look, not necessarily at the stars though. To look up and see there is something else, now I can experience the stars or whatever I like due to Astral travel. But then I was shown last night that to advance to the next level there was something that would work in my favor. That was the Light and Sound Machine, it was a kind of plastic white Goggle I saw, in my other hand was some kind of small blinking gadget. This happened to be the controller for the L/S Machine. I will pay the price for this because I know from many years in business that you get what you pay for.  :-)

i wanted to buy the googles to LD, but the price scared me D:> even though you are right, making a investment now pays in the long run of the biz. :-D

That sounds very interesting Lionheart.  I have always been meaning to build my own Ganzfield goggles but never got around to doing it.  Please keep us posted with your results!

 After a day of endless researching reviews and results, I have decided to purchase this device tomorrow. Here is a great site dedicated to info pertaining to Light and Sound Machines. http://www.mindmodulations.com/resources/General-history.html. I have learned not to second guess what I am seeing in the Astral. I also told myself in February that I am 100% committed to learning and experiencing whatever it is I have been awoken to see or do, no matter how "out there" it gets. All my life I have had many strange occurrences, but have always chose to ignore them or make excuses for them. I shall do that no more, I am focused on this completely and am thoroughly enjoying the experience.  :-)

 That company Mind Modulations is out of business.  :-(  I guess I have to purchase it right from Germany. I have been doing a lot of research lately on Audio/Visual Units. There is a device named the Procyon that has great reviews, the MicroBeat Mini is another newer unit. Both are much cheaper than the Laxman. There is also a quite interesting device that has come out of Austria, named Lucia, the Lucid Light Stimulator, there is not a lot of info to be found on it, price wise, but it is getting rave reviews. It brings on a DMT type scenario, without the the actual DMT. Looks very expensive though. They claim it works in conjunction with the Pineal Gland. Here is a 3 part video pertaining to their unit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ia-cCOl-fU&feature=related

 :-o DMT, remember that the pineal gland produces DMT

do you live in the USA?

 Yes, in the frozen tundra of Minnesota.  :-) It's not so frozen right now due to unseasonably warm weather.

yeah, i live near Rochester and here there is barely snow xDDD history season.

there is a place were you can try the machine... but you may have to traaaaaaaaaaaaveeeeeeeeeel

RICHARDS, CHARLES, Ph.D.

CA San Diego, Encinitas
USA
Tel +1 760/715/7715

drchas@me.com

 In doing research today I came across this website, it has free trial programs for people wishing to experience Audio/Visual Stimulation. Enjoy http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/?c=9673569. I tried the Neuro-Programmer last night and was quite impressed.
Thank you for your info Lord_Dark.

So wait, did your guide(s) tell you to buy one?  If that's the case, you made the right decision in buying one!

Reminds me of when Frank used to talk about how they would have devices in the future that would help people phase much more easily.  Hmm...

Quote from: Oversoul123 on January 02, 2012, 00:23:01
That sounds very interesting Lionheart.  I have always been meaning to build my own Ganzfield goggles but never got around to doing it.  Please keep us posted with your results!

Ah man, I've wanted to build my own Ganzfield goggles for a while now, I have all the materials but for some reason I just never get around to it.

Quoteyeah, i live near Rochester and here there is barely snow xDDD history season

It's dry as a bone in Maine too.  But last year it was like this, then in February and March we had a big blizzard every week.  I'm guessing it's going to go the same way this year. 

 Hello Phase423, actually, I was in a Phase Session. I looked down at my hands, which I never do and saw there was a Blinking electronic device there in one hand and a pair of white goggles in the other. I then received the thought that I needed to go deeper in my experience to bring it to the next level and that this would help. I ordered it today from Germany, so time will only tell now. It looks like it takes up to 2 weeks to get it. That Neuro-Pro 3 from that site I mentioned here is quite interesting though. I have tried it twice now and see that it takes a while to get to the proper adjustment. Sometimes that light is just too bright. I like it that the program is compatible with my new Laxman.

Has anyone heard of Lucia?

 I did some research on Lucia, the Lucid Light Machine. The video that the inventors did is good, they seem to have hit upon an amazing concept. But, it doesn't look like they are interested in marketing this to the regular consumer. It is extremely expensive for one, in the thousands of dollars, but right now, the only way you can purchase it is to go to them and be schooled on using it. They are using it in the higher levels of psychology field at the current time. It is a shame though because this is the kind of device that may have the ability to awaken a huge amount of the people that are just starting to feel something, but question what it is they are experiencing. I would purchase this in a heartbeat if there was a smaller unit. The device is pretty basic, all the work goes into the light pattern/strobe effect they have found to be successful. That light pattern could be put into any lighting device. But, they wish to go the professional route with it, they don't want it to be ridiculed, like any other thing identified with the conscious mind. I think the unit I purchased is going to help me further my development. It has many options for new programs and upgrades.

 Ok, I am finally ready to give a one month review on this German "Modern Marvel" known as the Laxman Light/Sound Machine. The unit cost me a little over 600$ American, including the foreign transaction fee and shipping. There are other cheaper Light/Sound Machines on the market, like the Micro Beat Mini, the Procyon and the Proteus. I went with the Laxman because I wanted the top of the line and knew that quality came at a price and it was the one I saw in a Astral vision. The Laxman comes with a set of extremely well made goggles and a 6 inch metal Mp3 player that also is the brains of the unit. It has over 20 preset programs that are set for different viewing and listening options. It has individual programs for Beta Waves, Alpha Waves, Schumann Waves, Theta Waves and Delta Waves. Each preset program has a theme such as Meditate, Relax, Reload, Focus Activate, Dream, Escape and Sleep. The Laxman can also be used in conjunction with audio/learning Mp3's or tapes (since it has a separate plug in for a auxiliary player). The real unique thing about this unit is the ability to write your own programs. All you do is download their free Lax-edit program from their website and take any Mp3 from your own personal files and write a light program for it. You have 100% percent total control over everything you wish to do on it. You set the color of the light, the frequency, you can add separate Hemi-circle/Isochronic tones/Binaural Beats to your chosen song as well. I first took Xanth's Binaural Beat and wrote a program for it and was amazed at the results. Then I did Zurgen's MDM Bin Beat. It took a while to get used to all of the options and I am still getting familiar with new aspects of the unit. At http://mylaxman.com/ they have more free programs that you can download as well.
The first time I turned it on I was quite impressed, but also found that there was a lot of fine tuning to be made. Sometimes the light intensity was too bright, sometimes the sound to loud. These are easily adjusted though. Once I had the adjustments tuned to my liking, I just laid back in my chair and enjoyed the show. The patterns/colors/sounds work together masterfully. It took all of a minute until I had absolutely no focus whatsoever on my physical body. I then noticed that thought=action was instantaneous. But I have found through further use of the machine that I experience almost the same visual Astral Imagery every time I use that chosen preset program. One program instantly puts me in a tranquil outdoor country setting, with a ranch home, beautiful green pastures and even a rancher and his kids. The weird thing with this is, the sounds of this preset are crashing waves of water. Lately I have had more enjoyment in just kicking back, putting on a session and enjoying the colors, and sounds, then afterwards doing a Phase session.
I definitely endorse this product as a focus aide. Anyone having problems with attaining focus outside of the physical body will find this extremely helpful. Before I purchased this unit I found this website really helpful. http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/greetings/. The gentleman's name is Craig and he is extremely knowledgeable on Light/Sound Machines. He will also answer any questions you have pertaining to them. He own almost every single one on the market and writes reviews on each of them.
If you have any questions about this unit feel free to ask here. I will do my best to answer them.
Thank you!  :-)

 After 4 more months of use I have to say I have never Phased quicker and deeper than I do while using this device. This device almost instantly shuts off your physical focus. The depth of trance you can hit is amazing and the speed at which you can get there is the fastest I have ever seen before. This is definitely for those that are serious about finding altered states of consciousness. Just recently a website named http://www.audiostrobe.com/websiteNew/shopMp3/index.php has made some new programs that you can sample for free. I still would love to get my hands on the Lucia 2 Light Stimulator, but the newletter I get from their company still states the price at $22,000. My Laxman has produced some of the best totally vivid visuals in minutes than I have ever experienced. Today I did a session using just variations of blue light in a autostrobe sequence and I swear in seconds I was swimming in the ocean. There were other people around me snorkeling, scuba diving, it was surreal. The hardest part is maintaining that level of focus when the program comes to an end. Most preset sessions are 20 minutes. But the new programs made by Audiostrobe are much longer. Some CD's go as long as 80 minutes.
If you own or have tried the Laxman I would love to hear your review here as well. I know over in Europe it currently is being used at some high end Resorts and Treatment Centers. A number of Psychologists and Therapists use it as well.
You really need to try it to see what i mean. Words alone don't even get close to describing the experience!  :-)

That's amazing, so you can't stay in NPR if the program stops? Also, how much would it help a beginner if I have never had a conscious projection? Would it make a huge difference in familiarization me with the process or serve only to become a crutch?

Quote from: GetInThePuma on August 06, 2012, 23:20:06
That's amazing, so you can't stay in NPR if the program stops? Also, how much would it help a beginner if I have never had a conscious projection? Would it make a huge difference in familiarization me with the process or serve only to become a crutch?

It's hard to stay in the NPR when it stops because the Laxman experience is so noticeable. When the program stops you are still in a deep trance, but there is a short disconnect when you are changing focus once again. The Laxman will help you get into a deep trance state, from there it's up to you. But, the music and the lights go together so well that you will be experiencing visuals that are synchronized by said program without even projecting at all. This creates a journey in itself. But I'm sure that's not limited to just the Laxman. There are other much less expensive units on the market. Just do a google search on Light/Sound Machines. You can go to this site as well, Craig here reviews a number of those programs and can help you find which one is good for you. He regularly answers emails sent to him. Here's one of his latest blogs.
http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/some-thoughts-for-prospective-avs-users/ This one goes into what to expect from Audio Video Stimulation also known as AVS. The title of the article is "Delving deep into brainwave entrainment, audio-visual stimulation and the mind"
I also want to point out that I am posting this solely to help other members and guests on the Astral Pulse. I am not receiving any kind of monetary award for this information in any way, shape or form.
Thank you!  :-)

Signed up to forum to say thanks for such an informative review

I have to say I am just am on my spiritual journey and working on my 3rd eye and I have been struggling with visualization and have been looking for something along the lines of goggles and last night came across the Laxman and now just come across this forum and I must say after reading review above I am SOLD as soon as I have the funds I will be purchasing these!! I have been practicing astral projection, not got far though.. But recently saw stars but felt myself come back into body couldn't control it and last week it was like watching a tv program but again lasted all over 5 seconds then I lost it.

So I will be getting them ASAP as you mentioned above there are cheaper options but after seeing these the other ones seem second rate and I am a  typical libran and wouldn't be happy knowing they're not the best lol

 First off, Hello Mark and Welcome to the Astral Pulse. Thank you for your kind words. There are other Light/Sound devices that are cheaper as you have already said here. I just recently picked up a set of Bose 15 noise reducing headphones to improve the experience. If you haven't already, I would go to Craig's site found here for further reviews on all the different units on the market. He also talks about free programs that you can download just to try Light/Sound technology. http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/some-thoughts-for-prospective-avs-users. One of these free programs is known as the Brainwave Generator. You get a free 30 day trial for this one, just do a Google search for it.
The Laxman will definitely help you enter a trance state, from there it's all up to you. I have taken people with little to no experience with meditation and saw after one 20 minute session that they found very favorable results. Some people were so relaxed they fell asleep, other people found they were flying through the air or walking on a beach. At first all stated that the Light and Sound was confusing, for they weren't used to it. But after about 5 minutes they were much more relaxed and they said they just let go and let whatever was going to happen happen. It is also a fantastic way to handle pain. Unfortunately the pain returns back later, but the time it is gone is worth it.

I am glad it is working for you Lionheart.  You must be feeling fantastic.  It would be such a good feeling to know that you can get into the trance state.  Can you get into the trance state any time of day you want and how long does it take you to get into that state?  Thanks for letting me know.

 Hi Suzy. With the Laxman I can get a deep Trance in about 5 minutes. Without it, I would say I can get in a light trance in about 15 minutes. But you don't need to get into a trance state to AP. All you need to do is release your physical focus and this is where the Laxman really helps you. The light and and sound work together so well that it does "take you away". But again, these are things you can learn to do yourself without the help of a machine. I use the Laxman every day mostly now for Brain Entrainment. To control my relaxation level and pain. I notice it really slows you down after awhile, kind of like mellowing the mind.

I am glad it helps you with the pain and relaxation.  It is worth it to you.  I will not get the machine even though it sounds good.   

Hey Lionheart. Ok, now that we are in the right place. I have done a lot of research on Laxman v Mindlights (L vs M). Its hard to find good info but you are right in that Craigs blog is awesome. I have asked him a few questions as well so will see what he says. Basically, I view the L as something I can just turn on and start using immediately...it will no doubt get me in a very deep state of relaxation-trance...and then like you I will probably do my phasing exercises right after the L sessions. With the M it looks like you have the flexibility to create highly complex personal sessions...but, do I even need that and do I want to spend the time doing that? Probably not. I would rather just use the L to get me into a deep state and then get on with my phasing since that is what is important to me...not developing all kinds of different entrainment programs. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have read a lot of your posts on the AP and we share a similar approach to phasing...practice, practice and more practice. It really is pretty easy if you just keep practicing and maintain a relaxed, open mind that is free from fear, doubt and all judgements. I think a lot of people here make this all way more difficult than it has to be.

One more thing Lionheart (well, for now anyway!)...I have used HemiSync with good results. I go back and forth between different tracks but lately I like the Going Home series Right of Passage. Monroe doesnt bring you back to C1 at the end...he just dumps you off in F27 at the Park and then you are on your own. It is made for people who are on their deathbed. I like to phase right after listening to this track. One thing I noticed with L is that it doesnt support WAV only MP3...so probably couldnt overlay HemiSync without sacrificing quality, right? Whereas the M allows for both WAV and MP3. Thoughts? And, as an aside I have tinnitus. It feels like HemiSync aggravates my tinnitus. With the L can I use or experiment with some kind of different tone (maybe isochronic or something....I dont know the differences) that will potentially have the same positive impact of entrainment but not aggravate the tinnitus so much. If you have any thoughts on this I would be grateful. Also, I would really appreciate hearing anything and everything you have learned about the L so that I can just sort of pick up with it where you are and get started right away...since we seem to have a similar approach to phasing I figure why not. And since you highly recommend the L I am sure I will probably go with that one...but just want to feel 100% about it. Thanks, again.

 With the Laxman you also have the option of writing your own programs. I have did some myself, but find that their presets are much better, especially their perfect synchronization. I have found that I only use their presets now. I was kind of disappointed that I couldn't find more programs to add. I know that all the other units have 30 or more programs, some even 100s, but again I have found that the presets on the Laxman do a great job. I think a lot more programs/downloads would get confusing.
To tell you the truth, I wasn't familiar with the Mindlights until I just went and read Craig's review on them. They look like they are really bulky. I don't know how comfortable they would be. The Laxman goggles are small and lightweight, so you can have them on for long periods of time without being bothered. Craig did give them a great review though. It looks like their added software programs can get quite intensive. I would love to hear from someone else that actually them.
After you make your purchase I would love to hear your opinion of whatever unit you go with.
On your other points here, practice, practice, practice is the key to success. I feel that people make this way harder than it is as well. But they have to learn that for themselves. We can guide them towards succeeding, but they really need to adopt their own techniques. Things became really easy for me after listening and then listening again to all of Thomas Campbell's videos. Once you realize you are not in your body to begin with, it's easy to release your physical focus. But, you really have to unlearn all that you have been taught in your life to do that and that is the hardest part of this! It all comes down to having the proper mindset. Once you have that, there is no limit to what you can see or learn!  :-)
Edit: The Laxman has it's own Binaural Beat/Hemi setting, built right into the main unit.

Thanks for your response. I agree the Laxman looks a lot sleeker and probably more comfortable. Although I dont really plan on travelling with my unit so I can be tethered to the computer which is what the Mindlights does. And, the Laxman must eat through those AA batteries pretty quickly, right? With the Mindlights it does look bulky...but, with the padded forehead brace I am sure it is comfortable enough. One thing I noticed with Mindlights is that you can really customize sessions to go longer or shorter. Whereas Laxman is only 20mins, right? YUP, its a tough, tough decision. A piece of me wants the Mindlights so that we can compare and contrast...and then if need be I will just get a Laxman too...heck, take Craigs approach and get them all! So really the Laxman is sleeker, travels easier, etc...and also appears to be fantastically simple...in that you can just use their presets and off you go. And their presets according to you and everything else I have read are really, really good. And that may be all you need anyway. You dont seem to think you need more, right? But do you reach a certain stage where the Laxman has reached is limitations eventually? Along those lines, Craig also reviewed something called the MindWork Station by Transparent Corp http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/mindws/index.php and so maybe if you really want to develop your own in depth stuff you could buy this product, develop away, and then upload your developments to your Laxman? I havent checked if thats possible yet. If so, then that would make the Laxman the clear winner in my mind.

Oh, as regards practice, practice and more practice. Frank Kepple is actually the one who really inspired me there. He had been at it something like 25 years...these things take time. Tom Campbell says the same thing...dont expect results in a month or three or six...just keep practicing. So its definitely the major key in my opinion. Kepple and Campbell are my favorites. I have read My Big Toe a few times and it gets better each time. It also makes understanding Franks posts a lot easier because the two approaches, Kepple and Campbell, are very similar. I love the no-fluff aspect. We are just consciousness and that is it. No more and no less. So exactly what you said...as soon as people realize they are consciousness first and everything else is a biproduct....thats when they will start experiencing noticeable results...well, with a lot of practice of course. You need the mindset and the practice. But I suppose we are all on different journeys and for some its easier to just accept that we are consciousness....to each their own. Personally, I think we are all right where we need to be and we just each need to do the best we can with what we have....there is no rush....we have eternity....there are infinite possibilities...we are consciousness. Ok, I went off topic...but seeing as its your post from the start I am hoping you will forgive me...back to the Laxman!

 Ok, questions answered in the sequence asked.
Batteries- I have recharged the batteries twice since March of this year.
There is one preset program that goes 40 minutes, but again you can write your own programs any length you wish. I find that I am well on my way to a relaxing Trance in about 5 minutes. So longer programs really aren't needed.
Brain Entrainment has to do with you using the same program repeatedly. That's why you don't need a lot of them here. More variety is just to experience, well more variety.
That last program by Mindstation is free and anyone can use it for i think it is a 30 day trial period. It gives you a chance to try Audio/Video Stimulation for free, but with limited programs. But, you can't upload their program to the Laxman as of now. Possibly in the future. The Laxman website has periodic upgrades to the unit. You also can't use Audiostrobe yet, though that may change as well. You can though with the Proteus, the Procyon and MicroBeat Mini.

Great. Thanks. That is encouraging about the batter life. I was thinking due to the high powered lights I would have to change batteries once a week. And I hear you on the variety and entrainment. Its probably just best to stick with the presets they have already created. I am sure they put a lot of time, energy, etc. into coming up with the best combinations. And since I am not a professional brain entrainment composer I might as well leave that up to them...and they can leave the phasing and having fun up to me. As for audiostrobe, I still dont really know what that is...but will research it in due time. Thanks again for your time here Lionheart. I appreciate it. I am waiting to hear back from Craig. I basically asked him which machine hed recommend for the number one purpose of consciousness exploration...so lets see what he says. I will let you know as soon as I get a response which I am hoping will be today or tomorrow. Right now I am leaning heavily towards Laxman mainly because you are so happy with it and so I know I wouldnt really have any complaints. And heck...maybe in a year or two that Lucia will come down in price and that will be the next step up from the Laxman. Have a nice evening and we will be in touch.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on September 13, 2012, 01:55:20
Right now I am leaning heavily towards Laxman mainly because you are so happy with it and so I know I wouldnt really have any complaints. And heck...maybe in a year or two that Lucia will come down in price and that will be the next step up from the Laxman. Have a nice evening and we will be in touch.

I am periodically in contact with the company that makes the Lucia 3, otherwise known as the Lucid Light Stimulator. I don't think they will go down on the price any time soon. Right now it is marketed to professionals in their field of study, Psychologists, Doctor/Neurologists, Therapists etc. I'm sure this is so the unit will gain the respect it deserves. I'm sure it would really help the Past Life Regression Therapists as well, but at the price of over $20,000 at the moment, it's basically untouchable to the average everyday consumer. I also understand that the Laxman is out of a lot of people's price range here, but it is really worth the money, at least that's my opinion and other people's that have tried my unit.

Marketing to the healthcare industry is one way to ensure skyrocketted profits though. It is a well-known fact that people have a built-in expectation that medicine should be expensive, and thus anything associated with it is therefore expensive. I highly doubt that the unit which costs 20,000 USD to purchase costs a tenth of that to manufacture.

There are many things at high price marks that have justified reasons for being there; for instance, a pedal-harp sells for 12,000 - 25,000 USD generally, and the reason is the extreme amount of labor to build them with the current tools; just to build the pedal-mechanism alone is around 4000 USD of labor, because harps are so few that industrial machines have never been built to automate that process.

But I think this may be one case of pricing by the consumer's expectation of just costs; that is what happens in college textbooks: people have the expectation that "college is expensive", and thus they are prepared to spend absurd amounts of money on texts which should cost a third of what they are marked at.

 I agree with you Stillwater. But with this new device they wish you to go to them for a full training session before you can purchase their unit. That in itself says serious people only!
I did hear of one doctor/psychologist from California that has one in his office and uses it with extremely favorable results. I'll stick with my Laxman for now although I can still dream!  :-) I would love to personally just try it to see what all the hype is about. They put years of research into it's development. I hear people here all the time that wish there was a way new people could experience a fully conscious OBE, I think they might have the key.

Ok Lionheart I just ordered the Laxman...its official. I used a company out of Berlin. Hope they are reputable. They seem to be. Now I will be checking the post with excitement every single day. Do you have any tips for me as I get started? Right now my schedule is that I wake up at 4am every day, I do the Wave 1 HemiSync CD and sometimes the Going Home Right of Passage HemiSync...I will do those a couple of times in a row to kind of get into it all...then at the end I turn off all the gadgets and just sit and phase. For some reasons I get vibrations every single morning....they always happen....and then when they reach their peak I end up phasing somewhere. So I can pretty much phase at will....although I dont have the control yet to know where I am going or what I am doing. But, my environments are always very stable and 100% clear as if I was there in full, waking C1 consciousness. So I work on my phasing daily from about 4-8am...and sometimes I take Saturdays off...other than that this is very important to me and I am consistent. How would you suggest I work the Laxman into all of this? Of course, I will find my own rhythm with it, but I am curious how you approach each day using the Laxman and your phasing in general.

Also, I remember Frank saying in a post that within the not too distant future (20 years he said and that was in 2005 or something) they would have light and sound machines that make phasing almost a normal, every day thing...kind of like a hobby or a sport or whatever. He said this would happen as the world catches on to the new physics as he called it...where science finally accepts that everything is made of one thing...and that one thing is consciousness...and we are that. I think you can find all of this around page 1000 in Xanths Franks posts PDF...anyways, I think the Laxman is what he is talking about to some small degree...and then probably the Lucia to a much larger degree. I will work with the Laxman for the next 6-12 months while I also work on my phasing in general. At some point when I feel I have enough experience and have reached a high enough degree of control working with myself and the Laxman....well, then I will upgrade to the Lucia. It is obviously very expensive but well worth the money if its an option...what I would like to do is set it up within a specially built sensory deprivation room in my home...then that is when the mapping of these other dimensions can really begin. That is my goal anyway...that is what fuels my passion. And so I say all of this because if and when I buy the Lucia you will be more than welcome to come to my home and use it. Ok, gotta eat dinner...basmati rice and home grown veggies...as per my main man Frank.

 When you get it, you should make it your center of focus for now. Make an entirely new section in your log for any results pro or con that you find. You have used your other techniques well. Right now I would just focus on putting the other stuff away and using your natural ability to meditate. You can mess around with visuals if you like. I used to and sometimes still do, kick a hacky sac ball or shoot a basketball hoop while just sitting in 3D Darkness/Greyness area. You will find that by doing this you can start up a whole scenario that kind of morphs from your chosen starting point.
I have to give Frank Kepple a lot of credit as well. I read that over 1000 post PDF 3 times. There is a lot of great info to be found there. I think the Laxman is a great unit to get you to focus outside of your body, it is fantastic at relaxing you. But I think the Lucia 3 is the real deal that Frank was talking about. The things I have heard from very brief sessions with it are outstanding. I will say that ever since I have started using the Laxman that my whole persona has calmed down quite a bit. I am much more relaxed and even stressful things that occurred while a Merchant at the Minnesota State Fair, like all our product showing up 1 day before the show, didn't seem to bother me at all. Usually it takes a whole week just to price and unwrap everything in that order previous to the fair. Arriving 1 day before created a lot of problems, but cool heads prevailed!  :-)

Thanks. That is what I will do. I will keep up on the meditation, throw in some visualizations here and there to keep up with that...but generally focus on the Laxman. I can imagine how it helps remove all physical sensory awareness pretty quickly...and I am excited about that because that is a very, very important first step toward phasing. Well, I will let you know when it arrives and I will post some updates in this forum so that I can share my experience with the Laxman with you and with anyone else who is interested in perhaps getting one. I can imagine how much the Laxman calms you down and relaxes you. I mean, just for relaxation and destressing alone it must be a huge, huge benefit to have the Laxman. Also, I am excited to try it for light theraphy living in Sweden and getting virtually no sun for 4 months of the year. Sounds like your state fair experience was a real testament to the power of the Laxman! I agree that the Franks posts PDF is awesome. I would encourage all beginners to read that thing over and over again. Over the next year or so I am going to work toward summarizing that PDF...and maybe putting together a very detailed FRANK FAQ for other users who dont have the time like I do to read thousands of pages several times. I think you are right, that the Lucia is the first model of what Frank was talking about. And I cant imagine how that is going to change the world. Sure there will always be pros and cons...but its a natural part of our evolution as a species so in the end I think the pros will outweigh the cons. I will you keep you posted. Cheers.

Hi Lionheart. I just heard back from CraigT at AVS reviews. He says that the mindlights is actually a better light and sound machine than the Laxman. And he says the mindlights software is comparable to any separate high end composing software. So he highly recommended the mindlights. I share this with you only because I said I would let you know what he said. With that, I already ordered the Laxman and still feel great about it. I will be doing a bit of travelling over the next year or so and the Laxman will be pretty ideal for that. And, the mindlights is a bit cheaper than the Laxman so its not unreasonable to say maybe after a few months of experimenting with the Laxman, get the mindlights, and see how that goes too. But a big part of me thinks the Laxman will be just fine. Actually, better than fine. As regards the Laxman, the mylaxman.com site doesnt appear to have anywhere to download Laxedit and the extra MP3 titles...where do you download your Laxedit? Also, upon receiving the Laxman...what tracks do you recommend? I am thinking the Theta tracks but would like to hear what you think. Also, do you go eyes open or closed? Thanks, again. LoG

 Hello again. I wouldn't want to be tied to the computer via Mindlights, that's why I like the laxman, totally portable. I am also not computer savvy, so the easier the better,  lol. You will get a book with your Laxman that has all the info you need. But, you can download the Lax edit program from the home site right now. This will take you there. http://mylaxman.com/shop/Downloads:_:12.html
All the tracks are good, it really depends on what you are in the mood for. It's good to try all of them first then make your own opinion based on that.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Thanks, Lionheart. Appreciate the link. Ordered the Laxman from Neurotronics in Berlin. Do they manufacture the Laxman? Looks like they do but I couldnt tell. Anyways, I got a great price from them so I would recommend them to anyone looking into buying a Laxman. Ok so I have a few more questions if thats alright. Right now I do my phasing in the early mornings 4 or 5am to 7 or 8am because my body is very relaxed and I have no worries at that time of the day...so conditions are ideal. Whenever I try and phase in the afternoon I find it much more difficult. Do you find that with the Laxman you can use it in the afternoon to basically get your body so relaxed is as if you just woke up at 4 or 5am? That would be a great benefit because then I could continue with my "traditional" practice in the early mornings...but then add the Laxman to the afternoon sessions and maybe even evening sessions. I am just curious how long it takes you to get into a fully mind awake body asleep state using the Laxman any time of day. Also, I got a really cool program from CraigT at AVS called Brain Form. It is free and it offers a lot of different variations...you should look it up on Google or on his site and we can both try it and compare notes. He says its great for exploring altered states. Only problem is it only works with WAV files and I believe Laxman only does MP3, right? But you could set the Laxman to light show only and then hook headphones up to the computer where you play Craigs BrainForm WAV file and do the two together that way. Cheers, LoG   

 Hi, you can use the Laxman anytime, anywhere. You will have to see how you feel after you try it yourself. I can see you are excited right now, but try to contain yourself until it arrives. I find I can hit a good trance level in about 5 minutes with it. But, I have been using it for months now. Last night I experimented with thought=action, after I was about 5 minutes into a session. My first thought was shooting a basketball into a hoop. I saw the basketball, shot it and all of a sudden it morphed into a blazing fireball as it shot across the sky, lol. I have never never had that happen before. I then tried to create a tranquil river side scene and that morphed into the water becoming rainbow colors and flowing and moving in really strange motions, unlike the usual river current. It seems that everything I put my intent on creating, morphed into something completely unexpected. It was a lot of fun and I need to start doing more of this. The colors and sequences of the lights were somehow coordinating themselves with my intended visuals. It was surreal to say the least.
Normally during a Laxman session I just allow the colors and light patterns to take on their own shapes and designs. Kind of like what we do in "noticing". That was the first time I had ever created my own intent while using it and it was one of the best times I have had with my Laxman yet.

Thanks, Lion. As always I appreciate your willingness to share your experiences with me and the others who are following along. Well, it will be here in a few days and I will start playing with it right away. After which I will post some of my first reactions and experiences so that others who may one day read this post and are considering buying a Laxman...well, then they will have a couple of reviews to go from. Yours and Mind. I know yours was helpful for me so I am hoping my review can be helpful for others. As I firmly believe that this is the way of the future. Have a nice weekend!

That must be exciting for you.  I bet you cannot wait until you get it.  I hopes it goes very well for you.  I am looking forward hearing about how it went.

Thanks AstralSuzy! I am really looking forward to it. I promise to write some reviews just as soon as I have had some time with it. It should be delivered this Wed or Thurs...so perhaps I will do one review on my very first experience or two....and then another review after using it for a week or two...and then periodic reviews based on how it all develops. My main goal with this is to help spread the information on these AVS (audio visual stimulation) machines like the Laxman so that people can try them for themselves and see if they in any way assist consciousness exploration. Cheers, LoG

Hi Everyone. Just received the Laxman today. Wow, that was fast. Ordered it from Neurotronics in Berlin and they had to me in Sweden within 5 business days of purchase. Also, they were very friendly and helpful throughout the entire process so I would highly recommend them to anyone who is interested in buying the Laxman.

Ok so I just took it out of the box about 2 hours ago. My first impression was WOW. This thing is high quality. A nice solid steal casing for the MP3 player and the light goggles are very sturdy. You can tell that Zie Germans manufactured this thing...nothing beats German engineering in my opinion. Now you can add Laxman to the Porsche and BMW families...Ok, so I sound like I work for Laxman but I promise I am just a regular guy who ordered the Laxman because Lionheart was so passionate about it.

I havent had much time to play with it. I managed to do my very first session and it was the Deep Relaxation Reload session. The first 2 minutes I was a bit stressed and nervous because the lights are intense if you have never used this kind of thing before...which I hadnt. But after after the first few minutes I managed to settle down and go with the flow...and WOW. The soundtrack was very cool and super relaxing and the lights just put you into another world. The whole track is 30mins...and I would say that by about the 20th minute I was almost into sleep paralysis....sitting in my chair with back straight up! I sat like that to make sure I didnt doze off and it worked. I have never been in such a state of mind awake body asleep so quickly and easily. And I am sure it will happen even faster the next time because I wont be as  nervous in the beginning.

So this is just the first write up. In the coming days and weeks I will post more after I have had some time to use it and familiarize myself with more of the tracks. But so far I would say its definitely worth the money if you can swing it.

Regards,
LoG

Quote from: leavesofgrass on September 20, 2012, 12:34:28
Hi Everyone. Just received the Laxman today. Wow, that was fast. Ordered it from Neurotronics in Berlin and they had to me in Sweden within 5 business days of purchase. Also, they were very friendly and helpful throughout the entire process so I would highly recommend them to anyone who is interested in buying the Laxman.

That's true, they were very helpful through the entire process. Before I purchased mine, I had sent them e-mails inquiring about different things. I am jealous though, mine took 6 weeks to get here.
I'm glad you bought one, now I have someone else that will be able to help me with questions I have. The biggest so far being that I meditate quite a bit, just regular meditation. But when I use the Laxman I get a depth in less than 5 minutes that regular meditation would take me over an hour to hit. I am wondering if somehow the Light/Sound combination is releasing the chemical DMT that is found in our Pineal Glands. For some reason it takes me less than 5 minutes to start feeling the onset of Sleep Paralysis when I use my Laxman. After that 5 minute period, I am normally well in trance mode and thought=action is magnified. There must be some kind of trigger in our consciousness that light produces. I have tried to stay aware in the process of going to sleep many times. the last thing I remember before I hit the asleep period is a white sometimes grey smoky screen. More intense than when I am Phasing. But I can never remember anything past that. Most of the people that I had try my Laxman were asleep in about 10 minutes. When they awoke, they told me that at first the lights were intense and hard to get use to, but then all of a sudden they were calm. The first 2 minutes seemed to be the most trying for them.

Quote from: Lionheart on September 20, 2012, 19:50:07
I am wondering if somehow the Light/Sound combination is releasing the chemical DMT that is found in our Pineal Glands.

I have tried to stay aware in the process of going to sleep many times. the last thing I remember before I hit the asleep period is a white sometimes grey smoky screen. 

That is a very good question about the light from the Laxman releasing the DMT and initiating the lucid dream sequence.

This would also explain the white light at the end of the NDE tunnel may also initiate the DMT release?

For some reason, I either get blackness when staying aware while falling asleep or I see a golden radiance, but never a white light.

 I think it might trick your mind into hitting that next level. If it does, it is definitely a short cut to NPR scenarios.

Hey Lion. Wow, 6 weeks to get there? I would have been climbing the walls! I was pretty stoked to get it so soon. Yeah I see what you mean regarding entering the trance state with Laxman and then trying to get there via regular meditation. Same thing for me. I meditate the good old fashion way quite often. And I would say that it takes me 20 mins to get to a nice, calm, peaceful state...then from there another 20mins to forget I have a body, etc. But even then it gets me no where near as deep as the Laxman does in 10 mins flat. What I find so interesting, so far, about the Laxman, is that it really puts my body asleep...to the point where it is difficult to will myself to lift my arms or legs for example..my body is gone...but my mind is wide awake like I have never had in a MABA state before...almost like my body is on vicodin and my mind is on coffee (I dont take either but thats just the analogy that came to mind)....this morning for example I awoke at 530a and immediately did the Laxman meditation program followed by the relax program (note, not the deep relax...just relax)...this had me in such a good place...afterwards I visualized for about a minute...then I was immediately taken in by the scene as it was off and running on its own...then the vibrations started (they always happen with me...dont know why but dont really care either)...then I phased back to the same Yellow house that I was at yesterday...strange because I didnt have any intent it just took me back to the same place as yesterday. Anyways, it was very, very fast with the Laxman. As for DMT, pineal glands, etc...I am not sure...all I know is that whatever it is doing it is working. Lion, what program on the Laxman so far is your favorite? I havent even done a Pulse session yet...just a couple of the ones with the music tracks...I can imageine the Pulse tracks are that much more powerful. Thoughts?

One more thing. I used the sleep program called "vibrations" last night right before bed...then I measured my sleep cycles with a fun little app I have on the iphone called Sleep Cycle....and this morning the graph showed that as I was coming out of my REM cycles I never made it back to "awake" only back to "asleep" as opposed to "deep sleep REM"....whereas most other nights I go back and forth between REM and fully awake...so the Laxman definitely helped me sleep sounder last night. I only get 5-6 hours per night (by choice because I get up early to do my consciousness exploration exercises every morning) so its important that the quality of sleep is high...and most nights it is not...but this night it was. So I will keep experimenting with the sleep program too and keep tracking my sleep cycles and see if it holds up.

Also, I forgot to say in my last post...that without the Laxman I have to really work hard to visualize and not get bored...and usually after 30mins will be off into the visualization where it is all creating on its own...so far this morning the Laxman did that for me in under 5 mins...so that was HUGE.

 I really like Underwater, Countryside, Beach, Deep Relaxation and Vibrations. Lately i have been working more with the Focus tracks such as Chanting. Chanting and Bionik are really strange. They almost put you in a vortex scenario. These are the only 2 programs yet on the Laxman that have been so intense I almost stopped the session half way through.
Most of what i have done on my Laxman have been the preset programs. I tried to do a couple of manual programs to my own MP3s, but I don't think I was in sync at all with the Light to Sounds. I have written a couple of programs as well. One that is entirely using white light. I haven't quite gotten the hang of getting it to strobe and blink to my liking yet.
That's the next thing I would like to purchase is one of those REM machines to see how deep we are actually going. You will notice though that after you have used the Laxman for awhile that you are quite a bit calmer/passive than you may have been in the past. It's almost as if it does you down and it definitely makes you more aware of your surroundings. You will start to see light orbs here and there. At first you dismiss them, then after awhile you will just kind of notice them and sometimes find yourself asking what they want, lol. Seeing these orbs is a sign of awakening though. They have nothing to do with the Laxman. I started noticing these after I started to Phase daily. I think I had always seen them, but again, just dismissed them as eye disturbances etc. Now when I see them I say "aha, I saw you this time" and so the lunatic said, lol.

Thats funny you list those tracks because so far I have had the Laxman for under 24 hours and have already done all of those tracks except the Underwater. And I have to agree that so far I am really liking those a lot. The Deep Relaxation is awesome with that baboon screaming in the background or whatever that thing is! HA. So when you do these programs, are you open or closed eyes usually? So far I am closed because in addition to phasing I like the recharging the body gets with eyes closed for 30 mins...kind of like a nap even though you are focusing and phasing. Also, are you focusing on any specific visualizations or do you just focus on the light patterns and just kind of let yourself flow with it? I know its all personal and to each his own...but I think we can both benefit by sharing notes. So far I have just focused on the lights and the air flowing in and out of my nostrils like in normal meditation. That is interesting about trying to write your own programs....that will be a fun one to share notes on when I get there. I am guessing I wont even go there for at least a few months just to get used to the presets first. And I am definitely not the techy type so programming will not be easy for me. That is interesting about those orbs. I will let you know if and when I start to see them. As for becoming more passive and relaxed in every day life...what a nice side-effect! I am pretty docile as it is but hey the more mellow the better. I did notice on my walk this morning that the mind chatter was almost at zero...normally I have to work to shut it down so who knows maybe that is already the Laxman. It is definitely going to be fun to track these things and share these things. I think keeping all of this fun is a big key and some people get a bit too serious for their own good. Yeah the REM machine will definitely be the next purchase...what do those go for?

I almost forgot...regarding the focus tracks such as Bionik and Chanting. That is really cool that they seem to be intense. That is kind of what I want so I will give them a shot. I was just confused as to what "focus track" meant...Does it mean it will help me focus because I have a work assignment coming up that I need focus for...or does it mean it will help me focus on my breath for example and go extra deep meditating while listening to that track? I am assuming from your description that its the latter. Of course I will try everything on my own and get a feel for them but its great hearing your experiences. They dont influence me in any way just so you know so feel free to share as much as you are comfortable sharing...and I just take it all in for what its worth. One experiment I am going to try very soon is listen to my Hemi Sync Right of Passage track from the Going Home series...this thing is intense all by itself...Monroe just takes you straight to the Park at Focus 27 and just dumps you off without bringing you back...what I am thinking is listening to that on my iphone player with my Bose noise cancelling (I use Bose noise cancelling for everything) and then just using the Laxman for the lights from say Deep Relaxation or one of the others...and I will experiment with lots of different combos and let you know how it goes. But it should be wicked!

 Yes experimenting is the way to go. I just bought some Bose noise cancelling headphones this month and can say the sound is awesome. Much better than the ear buds that came with the unit.
Focus is supposed to be great for learning thngs, like studying for a test, working on a new company design etc. They also say that it goes great with any developmental learning CD's such as learning a new language or listening to a Hypnosis tape.
I got the name wrong, it wasn't a REM machine I was thinking of, it was a EEG machine. A EEG machine is used for brain mapping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography
They now make them in very small, inexpensive sizes. It's a good way to really see the effects a unit like the Laxman has on your brain.
When I first started using the machine I "went with the flow". I just let the light/sound combination create the visuals that were natural per say. In the last month I started to experiment more though, the first experiment was putting my entire focus out of my body and into my physical surrounds. Meaning my home, just walking around, checking out things that were there and also seeing my body. This worked extraordinarily well. In seconds I was viewing my sitting body from the outside. I walked to the bedroom, tried to do some healing on Mary Jo's shoulder while she was sleeping and my view was vivid. Not quite as vivid as a physical point of view, but good enough to see structures and things.
The next thing I did in a session was I started trying to create thought=action scenarios. One of them that was incredibly weird and realistic was putting myself behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. I was driving into spiralling vortexes and all kinds of cool scenarios. Right now I am still experimenting with the driving thing. Just see yourself in front of a wheel, look ahead and navigate the curves, hill and obstacles in the road. You will see that this is highly entertaining.

Quote from: Lionheart on September 21, 2012, 16:33:53
In the last month I started to experiment more though, the first experiment was putting my entire focus out of my body and into my physical surrounds. Meaning my home, just walking around, checking out things that were there and also seeing my body. This worked extraordinarily well. In seconds I was viewing my sitting body from the outside. I walked to the bedroom, tried to do some healing on Mary Jo's shoulder while she was sleeping and my view was vivid. Not quite as vivid as a physical point of view, but good enough to see structures and things.

This is very fascinating. Did you feel any type of projection exit separation, or was it more like an instantaneous where I am here and now I am there sensation?

Quote from: todd421757 on September 21, 2012, 17:22:38
This is very fascinating. Did you feel any type of projection exit separation, or was it more like an instantaneous where I am here and now I am there sensation?

Instantaneous. After the first few minutes, vibrations will start. As you lose your physical focus, you shift to whatever it is you wish to do. Like I said you can just stay in the moment and let the program guide you or you can start to experiment. After using it for awhile you find that the trance state appears quicker and quicker. When I found myself out of body the first time, it was due to just letting my mind wander outside of the regular lights and program. I just thought of my physical body and saw it there. Like I said, I think that the Light/Sound has some kind of real trigger method, whether it's releasing DMT or something else, something is definitely occurring.
The company so far has been billing it as a relaxation device. If you go to their website they are starting to have more Doctors and Therapists/Psychologists commenting on their results.
Lately for some reason I have been seeing Pyramids more than anything. But I have always been drawn to Pyramids. Because of my visions, Mary Jo and I are just getting ready to sell a Mini Pyramid design in our Christmas Kiosk, we always like to have something new and unique. It is made from Crystals charged from the 144 ft. Russian Pyramids using what they call ABO technology. I am lining up the deal right now as we speak. I think our local clientele will like them. Last year we had Himalayan Salt Lamps and people were loving those. More people are opening their minds to thinking outside the box. I think the new Crystal Pyramids will be a hit as well. Although they are quite pricey.

Very cool.

 Tonight my better half Mary Jo did her first Laxman session. Mary Jo supports my passion here but she does not practice as I do. She gets her meditation and healing by working in her beautiful garden and painting and sculpting her beautiful Dragons. Mary Jo is also almost completely deaf in her left ear, so this gave me a chance to see how the sound part of the program worked for her. I chose the 30 minute Deep Relaxation preset. It's filled with sounds of the Rainforest. I questioned her about her experience immediately following her session.
She said that at first the lights were intense and took a couple of minutes to acclimate to. After that she was well on her way in the Rainforest. She said it felt like she was there. She felt motion, but not like she was moving, it was more like motion of being live in the scene. She saw what looked like the sun blinking through the canopy of the jungle. The lights in this program do a great job of creating this kind of visual. There is one part of the program where the lights tone down to a soft blue color. Her visual here changed from looking at the blinking sun to being totally underwater, she said she could even sense air bubbles. Now this program brings you from Alpha down to Delta and then back up to Alpha again and it's really hard to judge any time sequence while in it. But she was really relaxed at the end. I told her now I will see how you sleep, but we both laughed at that one since it normally takes her about 2 minutes to get to sleep.
Being deaf in one ear hindered her entire depth in the program. But she did say that she felt like she was totally immersed in the Rainforest/Under water scenarios. Being deaf in one ear would definitely make a Binaural Beat program on the Laxman almost impossible.
The last thing she said before she went to sleep was that it felt like something triggered her to turn off the physical and onto the new scene. Years ago we had sold a Hot pack/Cold pack package from a Company. I did some research on the effects on the mind and found that if I put the hot pack onto the person's shoulders and the cold pack on their forehead that it created a mental trigger that turned off their stress immediately. This was a dynamite selling technique and worked almost 100% in getting the sale. I had some of the biggest toughest Farmers/Construction workers sit back in our Lafluma ergonomic chair, I would then put the hot on the shoulders, cold on their forehead and 20 minutes later when they woke up, they would say OK, how much do you want for this, I'll take it. I had a great time with this, lol.

This is all really interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing Lion. I tried the Chanting and Bionik last night and again this morning. WOW. I listened to the programs for 20 mins while meditating in traditional burmese posture then when the tracks stopped I took off the Laxman and the Bose and just continued the meditation for another 20 mins....I have to say that this is an awesome meditation tool. Because for me, normally the first 20 mins of traditional meditation are a battle...I am trying to get comfortable, relaxed, etc. I am ticked off that my leg is falling asleep...again....my mind is chattering, etc. All this typical stuff that I have to sort of just get through the first 20 mins of meditation....and then usually after that I can spend the next 20-40 mins getting into a nice, deep, empty state of mind so to speak. But often times those first 20 mins are so challenging I just get up and leave. With the Laxman its a different ball game altogether. The first 20 mins fly by, the body and mind get totally relaxed....mind is totally disconnected from body...then my second 20 mins are much, much deeper than normally speaking. Why? Well, I think it must be the Laxman helping me build such a solid base for the meditation...and from that base its so easy to spring-board into deeper meditative states.

Interesting also Lion about doing the visualizations walking around the house. I cant wait to try that. But first I will spend some more time just going with the flow and getting used to it. Because a piece of you has to learn to really just let go and go with the lights, etc. And I am sure that takes a few weeks...and then, like you said, you can start going deeper and deeper with more and more use. I like that aspect of the Laxman...instead of building up a resistance to it its the opposite...you end up going deeper over time. Speaking of going deeper, one thing about LaxEdit...I want to make like a 60 min track for example....thats possible I assume? I havent played with it yet. Also, its interesting that you mention the vibrations...I had them yesterday the very first time I listened to Deep Relaxation!

Speaking of better halves....my wife did the Laxman yesterday for the first time. She tried Deep Relaxation. She said before she started she was very stressed out, her stomach was in a knot, etc....but after the Laxman she felt great the whole rest of the day. She said she felt like her heart-rate dropped to a much slower, relaxed pace the whole rest of the day. Pretty cool. Pretty soon every family member is giong to need their own Laxman! We are meeting my Parents and my sister in Paris in October for some family vacation time and my mom already wants to try the Laxman for help getting sleep...here we go, I am never going to see my Laxman again! HA.


Well, I will be doing some more experimenting in the days to come and we will keep the dialogue going! Cheers.

The more I use and get familliar with the Laxman the more I like it. I am really happy that I took Lionhearts advice to get this thing and give it a try. The first several times I used it were relaxing for sure but still a bit intense with the lights...so its harder to just let go and trust that you are not going to have a seizure or something crazy like that. But once you get over that hump...for me it was the first say 5 times....where it got easier every time but I still wasnt 100% comfortable until about the 5th experience. But let me just say that once you get over that initial adjustment phase...holy SH$% the Laxman is awesome. I have never, ever gotten an easier or deeper mind awake body asleep state...I dont even have to try to visualize anything anymore and I just start phasing. Ok..disclaimer...I could phase/project before this so if you have never done it please dont expect the Laxman to do it for you...but if you know how to do it this will make it so much easier for you. And, even if you dont know how to phase/project yet...this will certainly make the learning curve faster because you will be able to achieve the necessary mind awake body asleep state so much easier. Anyways, this morning was kind of a breakthrough Laxman session for me...It was probably my 7th or 8th session since I got it under a week ago. I woke up at 530 after about 6 hours of sleep and did Laxman Beach Meditation for 20mins...then I was feeling too awake so did some stuff around the house until I got tired around 7am...then went back to bed and did Laxman Deep Relaxation session which lasts 30mins...by the end of this my mind was so fresh and body so asleep that the hypnogogic imagery was just running rampant! I didnt have to try and visualize or anything (for the record I get bored with "normal" visualization stuff pretty quickly and therefore tend not to like it a whole lot...viewing it as a necessary evil so to speak! to get me into my projections)...anyways this morning the visualizations just immediately took on a world of their own and I was just observing and experiencing...eventually I was fully immersed in a scene walking up some stairs and talking with a "person" walking down the stairs past me. Note that I always have vibrations when I phase/project...today was the first time that the Laxman relaxed me so much I just seemed to have skipped right through the vibrational state I normally find myself in before projection and that was very cool. I dont mind the vibrations anymore but Frank always said they werent necessary...so if one can phase without them then why not. The simpler the better. Anyways, cant stress enough how much of a Laxman fan I am. Will post more updates here as I have them. More just posting about  the Laxman rather than detailed personal experiences so that if anyone else is interested in buying one, like I was, they will have some information to go on. Cheers, LoG

 I am glad you are enjoying it and I love hearing your success stories. Keep up the good work!  :-)

Thanks, Lionheart. Will do!

I meant to ask you. Have you found that for some reason the lights make for a more profound mind awake body asleep state than anything else you have ever experienced? From my perspective, getting the body to relax and the mind chatter to go away...essentially getting yourself into that ideal mind awake body asleep state....that is priority number one for me. That is the launch pad so to speak. If you can get that down as your foundation, your prep, it makes the phasing/projection so much easier. I think this is the problem most people have with this whole thing....they either cant relax enough and end up trying too hard and that doesnt work....or, they relax too much and cross that threshold into sleep...and then obviously that doesnt work either. But with the Laxman its crazy how good it works to keep you right on that threshold....I couldnt believe the clarity of the hypnogogic images this morning and how easily they were all just flowing....completely effortlessly on my part yet I was totally immersed.

I think you once said you phase after your Laxman sessions, right? I am finding that is the case for me too.

I haven't experimented with the Monroe Hemi-Sync stuff overlaid with the Laxman lights yet but when I do I will let you know. It is just that right now it is working so easily and effortlessly with just the Laxman that I am hesitant to change anything!

For people that are really serious and passionate about this whole subject I cant recommend a more powerful tool than the Laxman.

Thanks, again!

Quote from: leavesofgrass on September 25, 2012, 03:36:14
I meant to ask you. Have you found that for some reason the lights make for a more profound mind awake body asleep state than anything else you have ever experienced? From my perspective, getting the body to relax and the mind chatter to go away...essentially getting yourself into that ideal mind awake body asleep state....that is priority number one for me. That is the launch pad so to speak.

Yes I have. This is why I am convinced that there is some kind of release of DMT or something else that we don't fully understand that is released by Light. I think the "sound" portion of this is great for setting the mood. Example: Underwater Session has sounds of water splashing etc.. But I think the real deal is the Lights. I have tested this over and over again, I try to Phase just usual or meditate without the Laxman. I can't go that deep in 5 minutes. Once the Laxman program starts I feel the onset of vibrations, after 5 minutes I am in a strong state of paralysis.
As for do I wait until the program is done to Phase. It depends on my mood at the time. Lately I have been Phasing during the entire session, with the full lights and sounds. But I have been working on creating visual scenarios just to see how they play out with the lights and sounds of the Laxman. A Laxman Session normally goes for 20-30 minutes, that's a pretty good time to be in the NPR. You lose track of time really quickly with this unit. Sometimes I feel I have been in a session for way longer than the preset would allow. I'm sure this is caused by the disoriented effect the machine produces. It's almost like time slows down, which makes sense since time has no relevance in the NPR.

I've finally also decided to get an AVS though not the laxman I'm getting the Procyon. I'll write a review in a few days when it comes  :-D. Thanks lionheart for originally suggesting that it may help me a few months ago :)

The light / DMT-release idea might have some merit; neurotransmitters like DMT that are associated with sleep and altered states are heavily tied to brainwave frequncy states, and in turn those states are heavily influenced by light levels and circadian rhythms (the latter two of course being interdependent).

The strobing lights might just be a sort of mind-hack for inducing lower frequency brain states much like binaural audios are for entrainment.

Quote from: Kirkland on September 26, 2012, 09:36:30
I've finally also decided to get an AVS though not the laxman I'm getting the Procyon. I'll write a review in a few days when it comes  :-D. Thanks lionheart for originally suggesting that it may help me a few months ago :)

Your Welcome Kirkland. Craig says great things about the Procyon in his reviews on his website. There are a many presets and great programs available for that unit as well. The unit is compatible with the Laxman goggles too, so if you wish, you can upgrade to a better goggle in the future. I can't wait to hear your review!
This is just one of his blogs on the Procyon, you can find other blogs using his search engine there with the name Procyon. One of them tells you the best sessions he has found for that unit.
http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/mind-machine-update/
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Stillwater and Lionheart. This is an interesting discussion regarding what effect the light and sound (particularly the light, I think) have on releasing DMT to facilitate projection of consciousness. Have either of you read any medical studies on this topic? I havent had time to research it yet but will shortly get into it. My interest here is to try and understand which brainwave frequencies match up to which particular light and sound combinations....and then really start to experiment with creating those specific programs in the LaxEdit software. This way we might be able to create some really intense sessions for the Laxman.

Lionheart, have you had much experience with the preset Pulse programs on the Laxman? You know, the ones at the end that dont use music so match as some type of entrainment beats? I havent yet but I would guess that the combination of proper beats with the lights would be much more intense that just the standard music with the lights...although I agree the music preset programs are very good and powerful. It just seems that the Pulse sessions should be that much more powerful. I am going to experiment with the 60min pulse session called Regeneration today and will report back with details.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on September 27, 2012, 02:35:11
Have either of you read any medical studies on this topic?
Lionheart, have you had much experience with the preset Pulse programs on the Laxman?

Hi, I haven't done any deep research on this, other than reading that DMT is released by the Pineal Gland during our Dream state.
I tried a couple of Pulse programs, but my main experimenting right now is with the regular Presets. To get any real conclusion I have to stay on one program session for a period of time. Sooner or later I will experiment with the Pulse sessions, the Binaural Beat and Hemi Circle programs. I just wanted to give the Presets a "fair shake" first.

Hi all, I am curious.  Do you have your eyes open or closed when you are using the machine?  It may have been mentioned somewhere.  Thanks,

 So far I only do closed eye sessions. I will experiment with the open eye soon. I just wanted to get used to the closed eyes first. It also says you can only use open eye for the Alpha and Beta states. Right now I am experimenting more with the Delta and Theta programs.

Hi Lion - I am also experimenting primarily with the music ambience sessions as opposed to the pulse sessions. I think its a good idea to stick with something for a while so you can really get a sense of what its doing for you....only then can you go off and try something else and have a solid basis of comparison.

Hi Suzy - I also do only eyes closed at the moment. Like Lionheart I will do the eyes open at some point...I am not at all opposed to doing it that way....but I want to get fully comfortable with my eyes closed first.

Cheers.

 Leavesofgrass, I did that Escape session program last night and found that I was on that Train that started at about the 2 minute mark for the entire session. It was amazing. The Train was going through all those different areas, the jungle, the thunderstorm, then it got really weird when the Train felt like it was flying and in front of it there was a spiralling vortex of energy. Everytime the sounds changed, I found I was still witnessing the visuals but while sitting onboard the same Train. It was pretty intense.  :-)
Near the end of it I briefly lost Consciousness, then snapped back awake once it was over. I then went into a regular Phase session. This was incredibly easy to do though, since I had just left the NPR moments before and my body was still in a ultra relaxed state.

Hey Lion, That sounds like an amazing experience! I have not yet done the Escape session but now I cant wait to do it. As I was reading your post something came to mind. Next time I do, say, Deep Relax...where you are hearing all the jungle sounds...I am going to try and visualize that jungle scene....see it, feel it, smell it, etc. And see if that puts me into the jungle. Because so far I have just been getting used to the lights by kind of letting myself go during the sessions...and then I am so relaxed at the end I immediately phase.

I did experiment with a Monroe hemi-sync track (right of passage from Going Home series)....I listened to that while at the same time running the lights from the 60min sleep session (the very last pulse track - but without the pulse sound)....it was very intense. I kept clicking out and then clicking back in...back and forth like that for the whole session. It was powerful...I didnt phase afterwards because I did this in the middle of the day...but I definitely could have I was so relaxed. So that was cool because I am almost never relaxed enough during the day. So this I think will open up my day-phasing abilities. Right now I find it much easier to phase early morning...but I am suring phasing any time of day is a skill that is not far off especially with the help of the Laxman.

My wife is pregnant with our first and so some nights she just doesnt sleep...last week was one of those weeks where she didnt sleep and so it was harder for me to get up early...so not much to report. But this week I am back on it! And will report if anything interesting happens.

Cheers.

Hey Lionheart,

I am focusing on the deep relax ambience track at the moment and I notice the more I do just that one the deeper I can go with it. So I think for the next couple of weeks I am going to only do that track and just see if I can go deeper and deeper with it. I think you once mentioned that now you can get into a very deep state after 2-3 mins on the Laxman. I see what you mean....I am not there yet but I can see the time dropping...in other words the first few times I used the Laxman I wasnt totally relaxed until about the 20-25 min mark on deep relax...now after say 5-10 times of that track I am already fully relaxed and immersed around the 15 min market...so that should continue drop as I do that track more and more. Also, I did visualizations today for the first time with that track..I usually am not a huge fan of visualizing because I find it boring...but with the lights going and the music in the background it makes the visualization not only a lot easier but a lot more fun as well.

Today I woke up at 6am and did deep relax right away...then after deep relax was over I continued to visualize and within a few minutes the vibrations were surging and I was off. What I am noticing is that when the vibrations become quite intense if I exercise my intent to say get out of my body the "traditional way" (I know I am not getting out of anything or going anywhere per se...) then thats what happens I just get up and out and off I go...but if I just let the vibrations build and dont exercise any intent I usually end up somewhere in the Astral Proper (Franks F3) I am guessing....more like a traditional phase experience...and that is the experience I prefer because the real time zone is boring compared the the Astral Proper F3...my question is do you have any pointers on how I can still exercise intent and end up in F3...seems like every time I exercise intent it foils the experience...so I just let it go and see where I end up...and that is working fine...but I would like to start learning how to control things a bit better. I am sure with more time and practice it will all come. But any pointers are appreciated. Cheers.

 Hello, start by doing some kind of action related event in the darkness before your eyes, such as a shooting a basket or kicking a hacky sac. Get into it, let the scene progress. Once you are deep in the scenario, try to get more of a visual on what's happening around you. Try to increase your awareness. From there you can experiment with leaving the sporting event and walking into a different scene, not of your creation. You can also do this by creating a doorway or vortex that you become totally focused on and see where it leads you. Have fun with it, experiment!  :-)

Thanks for the pointers, Lion. I will give that a shot.

I am using the Laxman 3-4 times each day. I am finding that when I do it before bed I have much better dream recall the next morning. It still may be coincidence but I dont think so. The differences are staggering in terms of when I use it just before bed my dream recall is great the next morning and when I dont I am hazy. So I will keep tracking it and see if I can reach any definite conclusions.

As far as my normal sessions. Here is what I am finding. I do the Laxman for 30 mins. It almost doesnt matter what program I use as they all work. By the end of the session I am sufficiently relaxed and the imagination is off and running...with me only barely having to kick start it. And then all of the sudden my vibrations will start and then I am off. What I noticed this morning which was a bit of a breakthrough for me, I think, was that when the vibrations got very strong I focused up and in on my forehead..pineal gland area...and bang I was in the 3d void or what Frank I believe calls Zero Point...and I started seeing all kinds of Chinese alphabet characters. Anyways, I am going to see now if I can turn this into a reliable process...Laxman, Vibrations, 3D Void...and then from the Void see the movie screen and control where I go in F3...and even go "back" to F2 if there is personal stuff I want to work on in my own subconscious. This is exciting for me as I am looking forward to making the same process repeatable. Will keep you posted. Hope alls well in MN. Our weather here in Sweden is starting to get cold and dark...I imagine you are not too far behind us! Great time of year for Laxmanning it Up!

One more thing, Lion. I have a bit of an exciting update on the Lucia. My best friend here in Sweden is as crazy about all of this stuff as I am. This weekend we met up and put initial plans in place to start a non-profit consciousness research institute here in Sweden (out of Göteborg...2nd largest city and on the west coast of Sweden). Our goal is to have the institute formed by Summer of 2013 which we both feel is realistic. We are going to launch the institute with one Lucia machine and one top of the line flotation machine...what we want to do is customize the the flotation machine with a hole compartment on the top where the Lucia light can sit facing down into the flotation machine...that way we can do both at once. I have to think that shoud lead to instant projection and a highly repeatable process from which the research can really have a solid foundation. Where we go from there...who knows...but we want to research anything and everything having to do with consciousness. Mapping out the wider reality in more detail, etc. Anyways, like I said, when we set that up you will have to come to Sweden and do some research with us. I will keep you posted. Cheers.

 Great news Leaves. I love your plan. I wish I was better set up here to do something like that. I wouldn't try to combine the 2 units though. From what I have heard from experienced people, like David Warner here, the Flotation Tanks take a bit of getting use to all by themselves. To link this up with Lucia would be way to much and overpowering. Lucia by itself has had very favorable results. I think down the road a bit, once people have become comfortable with both of them separately, than it may be the way to go. But I wouldn't modify the Flotation Tank at the beginning though. Just my opinion!
When you have that up and running I will have to make a trip to Sweden to check it and Sweden in general out. I know how beautiful your country is, you are a lucky man my friend!  :-)

Hey Lion. I hear what you are saying regarding maybe leaving the two separate because the experience would be too intense. I think what we will do is modify the flotation tank so that you can float with or without the lucia placed at the top. That way you can choose to either do them separate or together. But yeah, its always best to exercise a bit of caution for sure. Yes, you are definitely welcome out here when we are up and operational. And Sweden is a beautiful country...I am a lucky man I married a Swede...otherwise I would be stuck in my native Southern California! I will keep you updated.

As for all the other Laxman stuff. Just steady as she goes right now...getting more and more used to it. I think I have had it for about 2 weeks now. I can see that after several months of practice it will just get better, deeper, easier. Be in touch. Cheers.

just an update my Procyon arrived about a week ago I opened it and found out that the console was missing. I had to contact the manufacture and they have told me to send it back for a replacement so may be a bit longer till I get to use it :(

That would be disappointing for you.  What a nuisance.  It would be great when you finally have it again.

I am here to thank all that have contributed to this post. I was looking into the Laxman because of a purchase I had done on a pemf machine called MRS2000. The company that sells the MRS2000 device also has a separate light sound add-on that plugs into the initial device, but I would only be able to use it at home when using the MRS2000 device. I had seen the Laxman online but didn't find much user info on the item and since it's a pricey item you really want to hear some user reviews. This thread really help confirm my intuition on the device. I have now received my Laxman within 9 business days of placing the order and this thing is great. I have done a series of session opened and closed eyed, and yes I agree it feels like it helps produce DMT, after doing an opened eye session I stare up for a while and the texture of the ceiling seems to move in swirls for a while. I have been feeling pressure in my cerebral cortex and at the same time I feel focused and energized. I have let my wife and brother try the device and they both love it, all though my wife couldn't finish the Bionik session because of it's intensity (She actually jumped at one point, I think it must of been the thunder). Once again thanks, this thread is definitely useful for someone looking to purchase this device and finding this forum was just a cherry on the top of my sundae.

 Hello, first off, Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)
Thank you for your kind words. Just a tip though, use the Deep Relaxation or the Vibrations session on for new people. I even find Bionik too strong and I have been using this device for about 8 months now. If you liked Bionik, you will really like Escape.
I still haven't even attempted an open eye session yet, so thank you for that quick review.
Everyone in my family has used it as well and loves it. Mary Jo, my better half, likes the calmer sessions like Vibrations, Deep Relax.
Please keep us updated on your progress. The more people that use this, the more we can see if it really can be an helpful tool to all.
I recently sent an email to the company, they told me they have new sessions coming out soon. That's great news, I would like to see something a little more abstract.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hey All. I have been on vacation the past 3 weeks and will be back in Sweden on Saturday. Hence my absence here lately. But its great to hear that these reviews helped yet another person take the plunge and get the Laxman. I know that Lions reviews were very helpful to me when I was thinking about purchasing the Laxman. For everyone that has a Laxman, lets continue to use this forum as a place to share ideas. To that end, Lion, did they give you any exact dates as to when the new programs are going to be released? I agree that something more abstract would be awesome. Hopefully they can come up with something like that. When I get back to Sweden I am going to spend the long, dark, cold winter days of Nov-Mar creating and experimenting with different programs that I write on LaxEdit. Oh, and in the meantime, I am about to send a letter to the Lucia people telling them that I am going to buy their unit next Summer...and also ask them if they can give me some clues on what light patterns they have found most successful for projection....because then we might be able to create a mini-version of that with the LaxEdit software. Hope all have been well these past few weeks! Looking forward to getting home and getting back in the swing of things! Cheers, LoG

 The company just said it would "soon" have the new sessions.
From what I have heard about Lucia, the lights are incredibly intense. In the video they show the lights start from a bright white, than jump into all different colors and flashing patterns. I don't think the Laxman could match that intensity. But I would love to try to match it as close as possible, just to see the results we get. I am curious what would happen if we wrote an entire White Light session for the Laxman, with fluctuating pulsing flashes. It could be done.

Hey Lion. I am back in Sweden! I sent an email to the Lucia people on Thursday and have yet to hear back. I will keep you posted if-when they reply and we can take it from there. In the meantime I think the all white light session is a great idea. I have been thinking of that myself so I am glad you brought it up. I havent even experimented with the LaxEdit software yet. How hard would it be to do a white light session like you are describing? Also, I read somewhere that the white lights are the best for visualization. Although I cant remember where I read it or if its true....anyways, would be fun to experiment with! I am going to start messing with the LaxEdit software next week. Please keep me posted on the programs you write and I will do the same. Have a great weekend!

 Today I used a great Binaural Beat program by Jurgen Ziewe-The Multidimensional Man, found here http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Free_Deep_Meditation_Sounds_-_Binaural_Beats.html, I downloaded it to the MP3 area of the Laxman and played it during a Random Session with no pulse, using the setting Visual. It was awesome. That Random session will display the light program for the entire 40 minute MP3 song, then automatically shut off. So you don't have to worry about manually shutting it off yourself. It took me about a minute to totally lose my entire focus on my physical body. Then I just relaxed and enjoyed the Journey.
I attempted to create a Lax Edit program of my own, but didn't like the results. I think an entire white light session would be interesting though.
I went to the website today and I saw they have many more programs available for sale now. The "Planets" program on page 2 here looks interesting as well.
http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions:::5:2.html

Thats very cool regarding Jurgens MP3 and the random Laxman session. I will do the same and let you know what I experience. Jurgen is such a nice guy. I have had email correspondence with him and let me tell you that people do not come more genuine. He is an all around amazing human being.

Regarding the all white light session. I did some more reading on the Lucia website and from what I can gather it looks like they are only using white lights...as in, no color at all. This is interesting. My understanding is that they have a constant light always there in the "background" and then pulsating white lights that mix in with the constant light. Surely we should be able to mimick this in some way on the Laxman, right? What I am thinking is that I will send an email to Markus who owns the Laxman company Neurotronics...he seems to be a super guy in my past email correspondences. I will explain that we are trying to mimick the Lucia sequencing and see if he can offer some guidance on how best to do that using LaxEdit. Let me know if you have any thoughts...and if after reading through the Lucia site you think my understanding is accurate in terms of how they are using lights...IE- without color. Cheers.

Hi,
These devices seem quite useful tools.
Im considering constructing a unit using a USB interface standard in/out card of the like readily obtainable from Maplin or similar. The light unit Ill think about given time but the latest posts suggest utilising 3 grouped leds in clusters so white light is obtainable as any colour too.
An interesting project but for the future.
The cost would be far less, the unit would require a P.C. or possibly a smart phone. A programmable self contained unit could follow.
The options are in need of research at this time and this thread will be a very useful guide to the end product.
Im definately interested with such tools as presented.
Thank you Lionheart for this thread.

 Your Welcome Szaxx.  :-) I know how you like to build things, so I think this will be another successful venture for you.
Leaves, I didn't realize the entire Lucia program was a "White Light" session. I watched the video and saw the white light at the start, then I figured it would change colors down the line. The Laxman has an option for a white light session in the Lax edit area. All you have to do is omit the colors. the problems I have is getting the flashing right. Too much flashing creates a blinding strobe light effect, which gets irritating after awhile. I would like to find a way to blend soft blues or reds into a White Light background. I wish they had a way to view your created session before the entire thing was done. I keep going back and deleting the old, then creating anew, but you have to go through the task of creating, downloading the new session, then viewing it, which takes quite a while to do. Especially with someone like me that's not the most computer savvy.  :-P
Looks like it's time to start experimenting!  :-)

Here is a video that shows Lucia in action. It starts with a solid white light, then goes into strobe, but only for about a minute. It keeps that sequence for the entire session.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVjoerLJApw

Hey Szaxx, that sounds like a great idea. I wish I was better at building things myself because I would love to try and build both a flotation machine and a Lucia machine. Keep us posted on if-when you decide to start building something. That will be fun to follow!

Hi Lion, yeah, I believe the Lucia has a constant white light in the background at all times with some kind of alternating strobe white light pattern laid on top of that constant light. I wrote emails to both the Lucia people and the Laxman people asking them how to create something like the Lucia pattern with our Lax Edit...so hopefully I will get a favorable response. If-when I do I will surely post an update right away.

As for the Lax Edit I understand what you mean in that it takes time to go through the whole process. That is too bad that you cant test it first before downloading it and the whole bit. Maybe we could ask them to make that a feature in the next available software update to the Lax Edit? Well, like you said...time to experiment! I will be starting on stuff this week and will keep you updated on any progress I make. This is exciting! Cheers.

 I did a Create/Theta Pulse Session today and turned the brightness up, it had some pretty intense lights and created some very interesting visuals. I haven't even touched the surface yet with all the Laxman can do. Just configuring the lights and color intensity creates a whole new atmosphere. That will keep us busy for awhile itself.

That sounds interesting, Lion. I forgot to mention earlier, but yeah, I always go to the brightest level for every session I do. My favorites so far are Bionik and Escape with the lights really bright. But I agree, we havent even scratched the surface with the Laxman. There is so much more here. If I have the energy after work today I am going to try and create my first custom Laxman session along the lines of what I think the Lucia is doing. I am sure I will screw it up in a major way but I have got to start somewhere! One thing that came to me in a bit of inspiration during one of my last Theta sessions was that when I do my custom session it needs to be longer than most of the preset sessions. For me, 20-30 mins just isnt long enough....So I am going to try and create something that goes a solid 90-120 mins. Here is my idea and the reason I want something longer. Basically the idea of hypnotic fractionation is an interesting one to me...where you keep entering, exiting and reentering deeper levels of trance in a very short period of time. The idea being that each time you reenter trance you reenter deeper. I know for me when I am in deep sleep where Delta brainwaves are in the majority...I am gone. I could as well be dead at that point because my consciousness, for me, does not exist...its only when I am on that threshold that I have full waking consciousness on the other side...but sometimes I lose it as I slip deeper. So my aim with this is to use the Lights from the Laxman together with a Monroe Institute Hemi Sync track that takes me deep into the Theta-Delta border range....and then hold my awareness there for a good 60-90 mins (say after having used 30mins to get there) but the key is that I will create custom beep sounds that come in and arouse my awareness every 5 mins or so.....so that I am constantly drifting off into no mans land but then coming right back....then drifting off....then coming back...then drifting off deeper, then coming back, etc. I am just curious if this will help me go very deep into the delta range and maintain awareness and basically just see where that leads. This may not work at all but its something I have been thinking about so what the heck..I will give it a shot. Let me know if you have any thoughts.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on October 29, 2012, 07:04:09
So my aim with this is to use the Lights from the Laxman together with a Monroe Institute Hemi Sync track that takes me deep into the Theta-Delta border range....and then hold my awareness there for a good 60-90 mins (say after having used 30mins to get there) but the key is that I will create custom beep sounds that come in and arouse my awareness every 5 mins or so.....so that I am constantly drifting off into no mans land but then coming right back....then drifting off....then coming back...then drifting off deeper, then coming back, etc. I am just curious if this will help me go very deep into the delta range and maintain awareness and basically just see where that leads. This may not work at all but its something I have been thinking about so what the heck..I will give it a shot. Let me know if you have any thoughts.

That Binaural Beat MP3 from Jurgen is 40 minutes long. It works really good because of that loud unexpected Chime you get at about the 3/4 part. I find that if I start to fade to far, that that Chime instantly wakes me again. So, I see this process working well. The Pulse sessions are done without music, but they have very short interval of Binaural Beats. If you can find a program that runs for 90-120 minutes long, you can use it with Lax edit. Last night I wrote a White Light program, but instead of it being 1 hour, it turned out to be 1 minute long, doh, lol. I wish to create this program at first without any kind of sound. I just want to turn my noise reduction headphones on to kill the various sounds around me and enjoy the visuals. Last night doing this I could hear things that I was seeing as well. Usually I do a regular session with Lights and Sounds, but last night I did a regular Pulse Session, ramped up the Light intensity and really enjoyed it.

Hey Lion, Thanks for the info. Once you do the light white session let me know how that goes. As for that Chime from Jurgens MP3, yup, that is the effect I hope to create when I write my program. I did mess around with LaxEdit yesterday for the first time. It seems to be pretty easy software to use actually. The only thing is that I need to do a lot more research on light and sound in general as I do not understand HZ and pitches, etc etc. But I like what you said a few posts back...and that is that all these different light and sound combinations are going to cause different experiences....and because we are essentially all different there will likely be no one size fits all approach...so its up to us to keep experimenting and we will find what works best. Also, I really like your idea of lights without sound. I think I read somewhere that sound is good but lights are responsible for something like 80% or more of the experience. Dont know if thats true but experimentation will tell us over time. Ok, I have some GREAT news!

I sent my email to the Lucia people last Thursday...yesterday I got a response back from someone at their office saying that the scientists were travelling so please be patient for a response. So I wrote back and said sure thing. And I was expecting a long delay...WELL, I woke up this morning to a very friendly and detailed email from one of the co-creator scientists (I will leave his name out just because)..but lets call him Dr. P. He was so friendly and helpful. And he wrote back so much faster than I would have thought. He seems willing to help us out in any way he can in terms of helping us program the Laxman to in some way mirror what they are doing on the Lucia. So let me get back to his email, take some notes, figure out what he is saying, and then I will post a detailed update here later today. Cheers, LoG

 Wow, that is great news. I thought they might have been offended with you asking period, since they have created their own Modern Marvel. Since we are all trying to achieve the same goal, any input or advice they may have is really appreciated. This may help them in the development of a smaller unit as well. That would be a win win for everyone!  :-)

Yeah I thought there was a chance they might be offended but generally I think most people working in this field care more about the greater good than their own egos or pocket-books. So thats why I just took a chance to write them. Thankfully they responded just as I had hoped.

I just finished reading through Dr. Ps email a couple of times. He is open to skyping with me when I have more questions but I want to make sure I use that invitation wisely...ie-after having a lot more info from experimentation, etc. He also said they have a Lucia in Stockholm which is awesome. So I will make it a point to go to Stockholm either before or after Christmas and will try out the Lucia. But in the meantime he said he is willing to help us, by email, in any way possible with trying to develop something similar on the Laxman. And he said if we have any questions by all means fire away. In other words, he was very clear that he wants to help and that when we have good questions, etc. dont hesitate to ask.

Other than that he gave me some basic information that I am happy to share with you albeit through private channels because I dont want to take for granted that he wants all his stuff posted on the web. So PM me and I will share everything I have with you and we can start experimenting with this. And then of course, we can post our own findings on this post so that all others can benefit. I just want to respect Dr. Ps privacy.

One very interesting thing he said, which I feel that it is ok to share, is that creating these prgrams is like creating a piece of music. There really isnt a set frequency that works for everyone.  So basically dont put too much emphasis on the EEG readings and different levels....just experiment with a bunch of different combos, take notes, and see where it all takes you was kindo f what he said. With that, he did give some specifics, and he is willing to give more, and we can talk about that through PM. Cheers.

 Here is a great link with a personal review of the LuciaN 03. On the bottom of the article you will find a video showing the Lucia in action. Sorry it's not in English, but the visuals make up for that.  :wink:
http://creatabot.co.uk/2012/09/23/lucia-n03-the-lamp-of-inspiration-by-natasha-steer/

Great video, Lion! Thanks for sharing!

By the way, is there someone out there who speaks German who can translate this short 9 minute video and then post the translation here in this forum?

Thanks.

First post on this forum... fascinating posts.

I have experience with Float pods (aka sensory deprivation tanks) and found similar experience within the pods. I would be hugely interested in combining these two technologies.

Imagine a completely weightless environment, you cannot feel your body in the pod after a few minutes and then blame turn on the Lucia. I think you would blast off. The potential is quite extraordinary.

still reading and researching the light/sound machine topics and how to integrate them into Float Pod environment.

Great forum... thanks

 Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse Njanicki!  :-)
LeavesofGrass is planning to combine the two, the Float tank and LuciaN 03 when he opens his Research Center next summer in Sweden. I'm sure it will be a hit!  :-)

 Anyone that's new to this concept, take a look at this. This article was found on a search of Audio -Visual Entrainment at this link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio-Visual_Entrainment This explains the effect that AVS has on the brain.
Evidence of Sensory Effects of AVE

Both Huxley[29] and Walter[30] were among the first to articulate the subjective correlates of photic stimulation. They described subjective experiences of incessantly changing patterns, whose color was a function of the rate of flashing. Between ten and fifteen flashes per second, Walter reported orange and red; above fifteen, green and blue; above eighteen, white and grey. Huxley also described enriched and intensified experiences when subjects were under the effects of mescaline or lysergic acid. In his view, the rhythms of the lamp interacted with the rhythms of the brain's electrical activity to produce a complex interference pattern, which is translated by the brain's perceptual circuits into a conscious pattern of color and movement. Glicksohn also reported on altered states of consciousness from photic driving and its relationship of self-perceived creativity.[31]

Other studies have shown that stimulation can produce both transient and lasting changes in the EEG.[32][33] Collura articulated the relationship between the low-frequency and high-frequency components of the steady-state visual evoked potential as reflecting anatomically and physiologically distinct response mechanisms.

Additional clinical studies explored the use of photic entrainment to induce hypnotic trance,[34][35] to augment anasthesia during surgery,[36] and to reduce pain, control gagging and accelerate healing in dentistry.[37] More recently, the induction of dissociation was explored, which aided the understanding of dissociative pathology and development of better techniques for relaxing people suffering from trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder.[38][39]

Dissociation begins after approximately four to eight minutes from properly applied AVE. A restabilization effect occurs where muscles relax, electro-dermal activity decreases, peripheral blood flow stabilizes, breathing becomes diaphragmatic and relaxed, and heart rates becomes uniform and smooth.[40] Visual entrainment alone, in the alpha frequency range (7–10 Hz), has been shown to easily induce hypnosis,[41] and it has been shown that nearly 80% of subjects entered into either a light or deep hypnotic trance within six minutes during alpha AVE.[42] AVE provides an excellent medium for achieving an altered state of consciousness.[43]

Yes, like Lion said, that is my goal with the research institute in Sweden. I want to outfit floating machines with the Lucia light machine to combine the experience. And like you said, I do think it will ead to instant and repeatable blast off. Please, continue to research and share your findings in this forum. Thanks.

And Lion, thanks for posting that interesting article regarding AVS and brainwaves. Very interesting and helpful indeed!

I will be getting myself a Laxman soon Lion. I have got to try this gizmo out.

You should do that Bedeekin. Right now we are doing some test writing our own programs for the Laxman and seeing what kind of experiences it all leads to. The more people on this forum that get the Laxman and start writing their own programs...we can all share and it will be great. Heck, we would at that point probably start a whole new section for AVS where we can share our programs, etc. Cheers.

 It really is quite helpful. Last night I was doing circles around my physical body that was sitting comfortably in a chair. I am just starting to scratch the surface of the possibilities this brings for quick APs. I am glad others are seeing this as well now. I have been trying to keep a lot of my experiments to myself, since I was the only one that was understanding what I was seeing and doing all the time. But now, more people can join in the fun. Yes it's cheating, you really are cutting out your natural ability to do this. But, if it gives new people just a glimpse of how fascinating the NPR is, then it's worth it.  :-)

Hmmm.... has anyone tried to back engineer one of these?

I could throw one at the guys at work... electrical engineers who work for the movie industry.

Make cheaper products. They are just sequenced LED lights.

Quote from: Lionheart on November 01, 2012, 03:29:44
Yes it's cheating, you really are cutting out your natural ability to do this. But, if it gives new people just a glimpse of how fascinating the NPR is, then it's worth it.  :-)

I do not think it is cheating.  If it helps you to ap, you enjoy it and it makes you feel good then it is worth it to you.  It would be better not to rely on a device if you have a choice.  There are two things about it and that is, it could break down and it may cause epileptic fits with some people.  Everything in life has its negatives and positives.  I do not think you could buy something without a negative.  If we thought like that we would not buy anything at all.  I think it is a great tool to have to help with ap.  I am happy for you.  I hope it will work out for you.

 I can AP fine without it. My research is on other's behalf. I believe if people got a taste or brief tease of the NPR that that alone might just give their awakening a jump start. That alone would have serious positive results!  :-)

I know Lionheart.  You said it before.  I think you are wonderful in wanting to help people like that.  I am wondering why does it mean a lot to you that people can ap and they can see for themselves what it is like.  Why do you want to spent a lot of money and time wanting to help people to ap?  As I said I think you are wonderful in doing it.  I am sure people appreciate what you are doing.

Quote from: Bedeekin on November 01, 2012, 04:42:20
Hmmm.... has anyone tried to back engineer one of these?
I could throw one at the guys at work... electrical engineers who work for the movie industry.
Make cheaper products. They are just sequenced LED lights.

My take on this is that "back engineering is fine when done to lets say an extra terrestrial vehicle or the technology found inside of it, since I believe that's the sole reason it was "sacrificed" in the first place. But I find it strictly "out of bounds" when it is done on a Patented Device from a small growing company like the ones that create the Laxman. We are also a small company, just Ma and Pa, but we hold our business ethics high as a high priority. We have had other people copy our products, so we understand what it feels like.
The technology behind the device is not new at all. There are a number of AVS devices on the market now and even more in he making. People have been doing this using the sun glare through trees for eons. Craig on his website does an excellent job telling you the pros and cons plus what makes each machine special or unique from the rest of them.

Quote from: Astralsuzy on November 01, 2012, 06:50:04
I know Lionheart.  You said it before.  I think you are wonderful in wanting to help people like that.  I am wondering why does it mean a lot to you that people can ap and they can see for themselves what it is like.  Why do you want to spent a lot of money and time wanting to help people to ap?  As I said I think you are wonderful in doing it.  I am sure people appreciate what you are doing.

Why, because once they get a glimpse of what is really important, it will change their entire "being". We always talk about change, well here is a way that we can jumpstart that process. We all came to this site for the first time because something occurred that was out of the ordinary to us, something that peaked our interest, that we had to find answers for. I made a vow to myself years ago to help others in any way I can. I really do realize this world is about other, not self.
I don't have a lot of money, so giving to charities is not an option. I have a lot of time on my hands due to my chronic pain. Healing and helping others, heals me also!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on November 01, 2012, 11:40:50
My take on this is that "back engineering is fine when done to lets say an extra terrestrial vehicle or the technology found inside of it, since I believe that's the sole reason it was "sacrificed" in the first place. But I find it strictly "out of bounds" when it is done on a Patented Device from a small growing company like the ones that create the Laxman. We are also a small company, just Ma and Pa, but we hold our business ethics high as a high priority. We have had other people copy our products, so we understand what it feels like.
The technology behind the device is not new at all. There are a number of AVS devices on the market now and even more in he making. People have been doing this using the sun glare through trees for eons. Craig on his website does an excellent job telling you the pros and cons plus what makes each machine special or unique from the rest of them.

OMG... It shows how totally innocent and naive I was about it.. I didn't actually mean 'cheaper' as in to sell on the market... I used the wrong wording... I meant so people can get a chance to use one on here... made to order... with just the cost of materials... that would probably come to under £30... hand made... it would take a week to make one. I would be making no profit from this. 

The laxman obviously uses very simple tech and no doubt 'off the shelf' housings/goggles and headphones... they could make it so much more cheaper. Copying is usually elicited because of over-expensive goods.

Anyway... never mind... it was just an idea to help the community. 

 My bad! That was my personal interpretation. No problem. Bedeekin, I know you are an artist as well, so you would understand wanting to protect your work/investment too.
Carry on!  :-)

Edit: The Ganzfeld effect technique found here http://web-us.com/ganzfeld.htm is probably the cheapest way to simulate the effect of a AVS unit. All you need is an accompanying Binaural Beat/Isochronic Tone MP3 and even that isn't a must.

Also my bad really... I should have made it clearer the first time.  :-)

Thanks for the link, this is probably better information than what can be gleaned from deconstructing £180 worth of tech. lol

Quote from: Lionheart on November 01, 2012, 13:04:30

Edit: The Ganzfeld effect technique found here http://web-us.com/ganzfeld.htm is probably the cheapest way to simulate the effect of a AVS unit. All you need is an accompanying Binaural Beat/Isochronic Tone MP3 and even that isn't a must.

Has that worked for you? That is quite interesting I might have a try.

I have been using the Laxman and done various sessions, this is one of the best purchases I've done. My older brother has also used it and definitely wants one now since it helps alter his moods quickly from stressed to relaxed (He has high blood pressure). I have been using the Laxman with a pemf machine that I had purchased, together they make a perfect combination.

Now to the interesting part...

My wife has also been using it a few times here and there but not nearly as much as I. Last week early Monday morning we went together for a long drive, so I decided to take the Laxman along. She drove to our destination and I did a couple of sessions (Underwater, and Didgeridoo), as always they were relaxing and helpful. On the way back I drove so she decided to do a session, she also chose the Underwater since she had done it before and liked it. She mentioned that she wanted to try and keep her eyes opened a little more through the session, but 2 minutes into it we were passing by something I wanted her to see so I stopped the Laxman since it was only 2 minutes in(She didn't mind, and said she was already feeling relaxed). After I showed her what I wanted her to see she started her session again, after 10 minutes into it I notice slight hand movements, my first thought was wow she must really be enjoying the experience. Then about 14 minutes into it she suddenly takes off the headset pulls up her goggles looks up for a second and closes her eyes for about 30 seconds. At that point I'm thinking that the session was to intense for her to finish it all the way through. Then she opens her eyes and looks down at the goggles, and starts asking what happened. I look at her and there's a state of confusion on her face, I quickly respond and say, " What do you mean what happened?... What do you think happened?...". She still has a puzzled look on her face and can't answer any question correctly, and then all of a sudden it hits me, I had dabbled in hypnosis A few years back and she clearly showed signs of someone that broke out from hypnosis with out fully waking up the mind. I started asking questions to test long term and short term memory for most part all her short term memory such as what she did the prior day was gone, and even some long term such as her name, although other long term memory was still there such as who I was and my name. I remained collected even though she was starting to look worried I told her she had to sit back, close her eyes and relax for just a bit so she can regain her memory, so she did. I walked her through it as you would to someone that's hypnotized. She started to look more relaxed as I went through it, but after a bit in it she snapped out again, so I started asking more questions which I seen she had gained more recollection but still not fully there. I then told she had to relax again so I can help fully awaken her mind, so she relaxed, and I walked her through it. The whole ordeal must of lasted about thirty minutes, but everything turned out fine at the end. After the whole thing she said she had a headache positioned in the cerebral cortex portion of the head, and I could feel her frontal lobes throbbing when I put my fingers on them. Thankfully my wife's a good sport and we both don't think the experience is as bad as it sounds, and she's still willing to try it again, but just at home. I recommend to use precaution while using the Laxman every brain is different, and you can't know how intense the experience will be for any particular mind.

 Wow, that is quite the story Cue. Thank You for sharing that. I have found on a couple of programs that I needed to lighten the intensity as well. Just like you say, everyone is different. It says in the instructions that after a couple of minutes you may need to lighten the intensity, especially for someone that isn't used to it.
You had mentioned in your previous post that your wife had liked it as well. What do you think changed here? Do you think it might have been a combination of real time motion (car moving) + the Laxman program? I would turn down the intensity right away until she adapts to it. You can also lessen the frequency or start with a program that uses Beta waves. The Beta wave programs are the ones that are recommended for open eye sessions.
Vibrations is very relaxing, that's a great place for her to get used to it again, although it is 40 minutes long.
Leaves and I have both created our own White Light sessions in Lax-edit. Leaves is 1 hour, whereas mine is only 30 minutes. I have it in color too, but prefer the white lights. If you would like me to email you a copy, send me a PM.
Please keep us updated on any new developments or unique experiences!  :-)

I was leaning towards the motion also, but it could also be in the individual it's self. Something else that was different was some pills I ran into while doing research on effects of magnetite and the brain/body they're called the magnetic pill, it contains magnetitum extract with some other nootropics. While I knew that the makers were over exaggerating the effects of the product, I decided to give them a try since they weren't really over priced. I myself don't feel much when I take them except for a little better focusing ability which I supposed B-12 can do the same, but my wife recently stopped taking them because they made her feel a little dizzy (I don't know maybe I'm naturally smart j/k). She recently tried the Laxman again and everything went fine, but she said that she gets a feeling like if it sucks her in. The funny part is that a friend said the same thing when he tried them for about 10 minutes. I believe that the Laxman definitely has the ability to put one in a hypnotic trance, which is not a bad thing at all. I had read that theta waves can be healing for the body, and alpha waves help expand the mind (here's a good article on it http://healing.about.com/od/theta/a/poweroftheta.htm). As you have mentioned before, I think the next step is to get an EEG device to help monitor the brain waves before and after a session, the Emotiv neuroheadset might be the best bet  http://www.emotiv.com/store/hardware/epoc-bci-eeg/developer-neuroheadset/ , it might make my Christmas list. I think a good goal would be to have the ability to switch between brain waves with out the use of the Laxman throughout the day. I also have hypnosis mp3 tracks if anyone would like to load some on their Laxman, just pm me.

Quote from: Cue on November 13, 2012, 18:53:06
The funny part is that a friend said the same thing when he tried them for about 10 minutes. I believe that the Laxman definitely has the ability to put one in a hypnotic trance, which is not a bad thing at all. I had read that theta waves can be healing for the body, and alpha waves help expand the mind (here's a good article on it http://healing.about.com/od/theta/a/poweroftheta.htm).

We are finding that the Light/Sound, most likely the Light, could be responsible for releasing DMT from the Pineal Gland. It may be that your wife is consciously Phasing into the Astral/NPR without even realizing it. She could be so deep that there is no memory recall of what she is seeing at all.
There are many articles written that say that the Theta Waves are where our body does heal and finds the rejuvenation it needs to wake up fresh the next day.
Have you tried the Pulse Session, Create Theta?  it's a good one!  :-)

Thanks for the review. I just ordered the laxman yesterday, if I like it I might also get the mindlights system.

I'm decent at AP, LD'ing, and phasing since I just set my intention, meditate for about 10min, I then let myself fall asleep and my mind snaps awake later in either focus 10 or a dream.  However, I'm not good at physical / mental relaxation, getting to a trance state, visualizations, or remaining conscious during a projection attempt so I'm hoping the laxman will help in those areas.   

Quote from: j360 on December 03, 2012, 20:17:24
I'm decent at AP, LD'ing, and phasing since I just set my intention, meditate for about 10min, I then let myself fall asleep and my mind snaps awake later in either focus 10 or a dream.  However, I'm not good at physical / mental relaxation, getting to a trance state, visualizations, or remaining conscious during a projection attempt so I'm hoping the laxman will help in those areas.   

I have a good feeling you are going to LOVE the Laxman. It will relax your mind and body and put you in a full deep Trance in under 20 minutes. A couple of us here have written a few of our own Laxman programs that we would be delighted to share with you. Just PM me if you are interested!  :-)

I would give the Laxman a fair chance before ordering the Mindlights too. Just my personal opinion!

Damnit I really wish I could afford the laxman! I have OBE's through my dream state but also have a huge problem getting into a trance or even meditating. It use to come fairly easy to me and now after being a single mom working fifty hours a week I can't get my mind to shut up without falling asleep.

Quote from: Dreamshards on December 04, 2012, 01:23:11
Damnit I really wish I could afford the laxman! I have OBE's through my dream state but also have a huge problem getting into a trance or even meditating. It use to come fairly easy to me and now after being a single mom working fifty hours a week I can't get my mind to shut up without falling asleep.

If you are interested in this technology, there is much cheaper units on the market. The Procyon, the Proteus and the MicrobeatMini fall into this category. You can find reviews on each of these from Craig at this site. http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/about/. He is extremely knowledgeable on these units and is very helpful in deciding which one is best for you. He will even answer your email questions!  :-)

2013 I'm getting a Laxman, for sure. I have to have this, even if it doesn't suit me or help me, I have to. Its to awesome of a machine to not have. Its sure is expensive though, but... I'd rather put my money on this than on a new computer or TV actually.
I'v read through the posts here and it s a great thread.
I can't project conscioussly yet, and have only had minor experiences save for a few profound ones, but the way I see it is that if I'm interested in all of this then why not get one if I can afford it?

I have been doing various research on light machines. I still want to do way more research before putting a few hundred bucks down for one, but for the time being I downloaded a biofeedback program called neuro programmer. Since you can customize the theta, beta, and alpha waves of a session: where should I start. If I'm trying to get myself into a trance to have an OBE then what waves should I have more of-if that makes since. I'm going to try it out tonight or set my alarm to get up early to try out a session. I have used bin aural beats before but I hope this has more of an effect on me.

Quote from: Dreamshards on December 04, 2012, 13:25:23
I have been doing various research on light machines. I still want to do way more research before putting a few hundred bucks down for one, but for the time being I downloaded a biofeedback program called neuro programmer. Since you can customize the theta, beta, and alpha waves of a session: where should I start. If I'm trying to get myself into a trance to have an OBE then what waves should I have more of-if that makes since. I'm going to try it out tonight or set my alarm to get up early to try out a session. I have used bin aural beats before but I hope this has more of an effect on me.

That's an excellent start. That program gives you a limited 30 day free trial. The only thing I didn't like about it was that that trial was very limited. I couldn't download full programs by other user/members, especially the ones that supposedly led to AP. But, at least you get a taste for lights and Binaural Beats. You can also go to YouTube.com and look for some audiostrobe videos. Enlarge them, then listen with your headphones in a dark room while seeing the blinking lights before your eyes.
Where there's a will, there's a way. Experiment with the free stuff first!  :-)

Just started reading this thread, I am fascinated by this machine, will have to save up for this though.

Does anyone mind giving me some links to youtube videos for entrainment? I have been searching on there but it is hard to filter through all the ones with horrible quality and stupid captions.

I am seriously looking into the Procyon machine. I really would be stupid to spend six hundred dollars right now for the laxman while trying to save money for school and reading reviews on the Procyon it really seems to set out what it is made to do. If anyone has any reviews or insight on the Procyon I am all ears. It will still be a couple of months before I can purchase it (damn Christmas  :-P) but I will also write a review after using it.

 I just went to YouTube.com and typed in the search word "Procyon" and got this page with 4 great videos. Even one named "Brain Entrainment with the Procyon AVS".

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=procyon&oq=procyon&gs_l=youtube.12..0l10.344.1016.0.3698.4.4.0.0.0.0.496.1448.0j1j0j1j2.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.TY78flfzhUo

Where did you search?

Here's the true definition of what Brain Entrainment is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_entrainment

I hope this help you!  :-)

Sorry I wasn't terming it correctly. I should have searched "audiostrobe". I wasn't looking for actual trance videos.  :-P Thanks for your help.

Lionheart: You still use the Laxman and if not, why?

Quote from: AteBits on December 06, 2012, 05:55:54
Lionheart: You still use the Laxman and if not, why?

Yes but not as much as I did before, due to working everyday 10 hours a day at my Christmas Kiosk.
Sometimes it's good to give Phasing a break anyways. It almost makes it like a new discovery all over again.
The Lucid Dreams continue every night though, just like clockwork!  :-)

Its good to know that Laxman works for your purposes. Im so interested in one that I'll have to buy it next year. Its alot of mony for a small gadget but I think its worth it.

Yes, but it sucks that you can not try it out before purchasing it, especially in America. You just have to take people's word on it (and there isn't many).

Quote from: Dreamshards on December 07, 2012, 01:21:21
Yes, but it sucks that you can not try it out before purchasing it, especially in America. You just have to take people's word on it (and there isn't many).

It's not going to do all the work for you though. What it will do is take you 100% away from your physical focus. What you do when that happens is still up to you. It's just a shortcut for part of the process.

But the sensations it creates are hard to put into words!  :-)

And thats exactly what I'm after :)

Hi Everyone. Wow, I see that the Laxman discussion is really expanding these past couple of months. Great! Like Lion, I have been busy working long days lately. But, I am using the Laxman at least once a day and sometimes more. And I couldn't be happier with it. As Lion said in an earlier post, we have been going back and forth creating some interesting programs of our own. If you want a copy just PM one of us and we will get it to you. We are experimenting mostly with white light trying to emulate what they have done with the Lucia in Austria. The Laxman, like anything, is not a magic pill for projection. But, it will really help you perfect the mind awake body asleep state that is the ideal platform from which to project....that's what I am getting out of it at any rate. I usually wake up at 4am for early morning projection and since I started using the Laxman in combination with that its really a no brainer. You can project like clock-work with some practice. When I used to get up at 4am and practice without the Laxman I could still project just fine. But what the Laxman does is it helps my mind stay bright and awake as my body falls back deeply asleep. Whereas before the Laxman it was more difficult to keep the mind bright and awake as the body was falling back asleep. I used to sometimes have a slight break in consciousness and then once my vibrations started I would snap back to full consciousness and project. Whereas now there is almost never a lapse in consciousness...in other words, its bright and awake (in the mind) the whole time while the body is fast asleep. Not that I am an expert by any stretch, but like Lion I have had a fair go with the Laxman now so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask and we will do our best to answer. Ok....back to work.

Quote from: Lionheart on December 07, 2012, 01:36:27
It's not going to do all the work for you though. What it will do is take you 100% away from your physical focus. What you do when that happens is still up to you. It's just a shortcut for part of the process.

But the sensations it creates are hard to put into words!  :-)

No I totally understand that, and honestly I want to improve my phasing before even purchasing one of these. I have phased a few times before but It's not like I can do it on a weekly basis. It's something I'm working on and have every belief I will get there, and then after I improve I will then feel comfortable purchasing something like this.

I just received the laxman the other day. For anyone in the US it's on amazon for $600. I also have a procyon on order so I'll post a comparison after I'm able to try them both for a while. I'll also compare the effects vs using a floatation tank.

So far I've tried about 4 sessions and I think I'm really going to like the laxman. I didn't get to a trance state or project yet but I've had a lot of distractions and still need to try it in the morning when I would normally try to project.  It was very relaxing and a few times it felt like I was getting close to the mind awake body asleep state. This has a lot of potential since I'm not able to get deeply relaxed nearly that fast with meditation, I would have to be in a floatation tank.

I thought for a little that it had gone bad. I was adjusting the brightness and sound settings, I think I turned the sound all the way up then the unit started freezing even after I powered on and off.  I tried re-seating the batteries then went in and turned the audio down a little and the problem has cleared, hopefully it was just a temp glitch.

A lot of the programs seem really bright even with my eyes closed so I'll really have to mess with finding the right settings there.

 It takes a couple of days to get use to the settings. I noticed at first that it was extremely bright. But, now I find myself increasing the brightness on some of the sessions. Leaves does the same thing too.

Go slow at first. Get yourself acclimated to Relaxation programs before you delve any deeper. Deep Relaxation is very good for this, so are the Sleep programs. There are some pretty intense programs on there and you don't want to "blow your mind" yet, lol.

Please keep us updated on your progress, you can PM me anytime with questions as well!

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

I will be looking forward to hearing your comparison of the two devices j360.

i can only afford a less expensive one but most others looks so cheap (and not worth the price) in comparison to the laxman

Quote from: eskimoswim on December 08, 2012, 19:01:36
i can only afford a less expensive one but most others looks so cheap (and not worth the price) in comparison to the laxman

True, the adage "you get what you pay for" comes into play here. I bought the Laxman because one, it was the one I saw in a Astral Vision and two, I did a lot of checking around and found it was the best of it's kind. I wanted to see if AVS would really help people with their NPR focus and knew that to do this I would need the best instrument I could find for the job.

I'm not rich either, but I am 100% committed to this practice and find this as a very useful "tool".  :-)

I finally had the chance the try the laxman to project or LD and it went well. I used it 3 times this morning and had 3 LD's and vibrations where I failed to separate. That's not bad for the first try since I haven't been practicing much for the last 2 years.

The LD's occurred a little after the sessions ended. I didn't see any hypnagogic imagery when the sessions were running but when it was going I did briefly get vibrations which ended after I noticed a discomfort in my foot. So far I like the deep relax, vibrations, lovely, and highlands sessions.

The laxman has also made it much easier to fall asleep the last few nights since I have issues with insomnia. I've also been feeling great mentally and very clear headed, I'm not sure if that's from using the laxman or if it's a cordyceps supplement I recently started.

 Try this for a bit of fun and experimenting. When you are about 5 minutes into a session, try to see your body. Then start to look at some other things in your room, like maybe your door or window. Try walking to the kitchen, bathroom, bedroom. One you get good at this, try leaving the home and walking around your house or flying and seeing your house from a higher elevation. The Laxman helps you to get rid of your Physical Focus. This is a great time to start exploiting/experimenting on what you can accomplish during this time.
Training yourself to do this now, will lead to much faster results. Just lying back and enjoying the Laxman session is fun, but if you start to experiment from the "get-go", you will entrain your mind to do much more!  :-)
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Thanks Lionheart, I'll definitely try that, sounds like a good technique.

I just noticed that the laxman site has 2 additional sessions that can be downloaded. 

Quote from: j360 on December 09, 2012, 18:30:06
Thanks Lionheart, I'll definitely try that, sounds like a good technique.

I just noticed that the laxman site has 2 additional sessions that can be downloaded.  

Yes, those two are free, but I didn't find them to be as good as the others. Many more sessions can be found here, but these you have to pay for these ones.

I am looking forward to trying out that entire Planets CD and the brand new Superior 5 on page 2 here.
 http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions:::5.html?XTCsid=i1peprfn4stbtk8mr55ds3da03

As Lion mentioned, I do like to go extra bright on every session I do. For me, the brighter the better with the Laxman. And I always do sessions with my eyes closed.

I have had the Laxman for a few months now and I can definitely say that the more often you use it the "better" it gets. Also, I think repeating your favorite program is a good thing to do so that you can go deeper and deeper with that program. It will "train" you to go deeper into the mind awake body asleep state if thats what you are looking for....which I think most of us here are.

I highly recommend the program that Lion created that we are both now using. Its called L3 and it uses all white lights and in a 30min program takes you from 27hz down to the Theta range. I dont know if its how Lion has set up the frequencies, or the intensity variations of the white flashing lights, etc etc....but, this program works very well for me. In fact, I am only using this program now...and each time I go deeper and deeper.

I used to never be able to project late at night during regular sleep hours because like everyone I was too tired and always just fell asleep. So to make up for this I get up very early for morning practice. But lately I have been doing Lions Laxman L3 program (which doesnt have a sound track by the way...and personally I find sound, even binaural beats, distracting and far less powerful than the lights...but thats just me....no sound lets me decouple from the physical much more easily)...anyways I listen to this L3 track which is just under 30mins long...and while I am listening I repeat continuously "Now Im out of Body" (per William Buhlman in Adventures out of the Body)....that is all I do....I repeat that continually and let the lights do their thing. Then when the program is finished I roll over onto my stomach and go to sleep and continue repeating the same mantra....and then bang as soon as my body falls completely asleep I am brought back wide and awake with the OBE vibrations...and then its off you go.

This is awesome for 2 reasons. The first reason is that I can finally project at night...and consistently too. I will keep doing this and let you guys know how consistent it is. But so far I would say its about 70% or better which is pretty incredible considering night time projections have always been the most difficult for me (I should note that projecting in the early morning has never been a problem for me so for those who try this have some patience...do it every night and stay faithful about it and dont be in a rush...let it happen...and it will). The second reason this is so awesome is because it requires the least amount of effort of anything I have ever done before. I am not visualizing, etc. I am just saying that simple statement over and over and then letting the process unfold on its own. I think over concentrating on visualization which goes hand-in-hand with trying to hard is the single biggest factor people have trouble projecting. Have patience and just let it happen....I promise you this is all so much more simple than we all tend to make it at first.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on December 10, 2012, 03:56:01
I promise you this is all so much more simple than we all tend to make it at first.

This is so true and is the hardest part for people to get their heads around. It is simple, you do it every night, but your usually not Consciously Aware of that fact. After people do learn to excess the NPR Consciously Aware, they do see that it's as easy as turning the Physical off and the NPR on!  :-)

The Laxman is helpful with this because it CONSUMES your entire Focus 100%. This allows you to shift with ease.

Following up on my post from yesterday. Doing the affirmations at night together with the Laxman has proved invaluable. Projection is easier than ever and happening at night during normal sleeping hours. Its very consistent and requires almost no effort. I was already able to project before so maybe I am not the best way to measure the effectiveness of this approach. But for anyone else who has a Laxman try what I have posted above regarding Laxman before bed with affirmations....believe in it, stay consistent with it....and let me know if you start experiencing success with it. Based on everything else I have read around here it feels like one of the easiest routes to projection. You are downloading the intent to project into your consciousness and the Laxman is putting you into the ideal neuro-physiological state to accept that belief and intent into the depths of your sub-conscious mind....then the rest is on auto-pilot and you start to project in the middle of the night with virtually no effort at all. No waking up early, no being extra tired, no intense visualizations that make you feel like you cant do it and you are failing....all that goes out the window.

Who wants to have their very own Lucia No3 Light Simulator? This is the light machine that comes out of years of university research in Austria. It was developed by a neuro-scientist and a psychologist and it is the benchmark of all light and sound machines available today. Sounds great, right? Where do I get one? Prepare yourself to fork over 25,000 EUR (that is about $40,000) and you can have one today. Oops, dont have $40,000? Me either...and it bothers me that they would come up with something so good, so effective, and yet only make it available to the elite that can afford it. Isnt the whole purpose behind all this stuff to help everyone regardless of background, money, status, etc etc?

I bought the Laxman because of Lions thorough reviews. And you will read on this site that I am very happy with my Laxman. But the reason I bought the Laxman was because I couldnt afford the Lucia! Not even close. Even the Laxman at $650 was a big stretch. But after having the Laxman for 3 months, familiarizing myself with it, using it to help me induce the ideal neuro-physiological state for projection, etc etc....I have realized that as great as the Laxman is...it is still not a Lucia...and it still costs over $600.

So what is the Lucia besides a really fancy piece of "therapeutical" equipment that will run you $40,000 and put you into the poor-house? Here is what the Lucia is. It is a set of lights. One middle light that is always on...bright and stable...pointing at your face focused on the eyes....you can use either a Halide light or a Halogen light - try both. Now the other lights are bright LEDs....so you have the center stable light that is always on and does not flash (it is constant, stable)...then you have 8 LEDs surrounding that center light and those are the lights that flash and trigger different brainwave states. Now, all of these lights are hooked up to a computer that runs different brainwave programs...not anything unlike the Laxman or any other light stimulation machine. The main difference between the Lucia and everything else is the COMBINATION

The COMBINATION of the center stable bright light with all the flashing LEDs around that center light. That combination is what sets the Lucia apart from everything else. Their research has shown evidence, all anecdotal, that points to the fact that that center bright stable light does something to trigger the pineal gland releasing DMT...this combination with the LED lights flashing different brainwave programs supposedly leads to a lot of very interesting phenomena (projection first and foremost!). Google around on the Lucia light simulator and you will see what its all about. Better yet, go to their website which you can access through their YouTube videos and you can read a ton of information there about what the Lucia is, why its so special, etc. etc....the problem with doing this is that, like me, you are going to want to get it...but you cant! Bummer....Wait, not so fast...here is how to simulate your own Lucia without sacrificing a single thing. You will have something virtually identical to what they have created for around $300.

Buy one proteus light and sound machine from mindplace for $189. Then buy one pair of the "blue" model see through glasses from avstim.com for $30....then buy both a halogen and a halide light from home depot for under $100....grand total is right around $300....half the cost of the Laxman and less than 1% the cost of the Lucia. You then create an all white light program on the proteus software that comes with it...experiment with different combinations of frequencies and duration...but generally speaking start with something that takes you down to the theta range (4-7hz) and keeps you there for a while...make the program anywhere from 30-60 minutes. Lay down on your bed or in a comfortable chair and put the halogen or halide light out in front of your face so its pointing directly at your eyes (dont burn yourself by being too close and dont blind yourself by staring with open eyes into the bright light!)...use common sense and keep that light a foot or two out in front of your face...play with different distances...see the Lucia video on YouTube for ideas....now, you will have your AvStim clear goggles on...they will be flashing all the LEDs at your closed eyes and will be running whatever program you have created...then your bright stable light will be there shining through your goggles right at your face. Congratulations...you now have a Lucia for $300.

I just ordered my proteus and goggles last night and will pick up the halide and halogen lights at the hardware store today...when my proteus and goggles arrive in the next week or two I am going to write a couple of programs on the proteus to begin testing...and will then post numerous updates here on how it is all working, whats happening, how it all compares to the Laxman, etc....but what I would love is for a few people who read this who are really interested in this stuff is to order your own setup and we can test different things and then see if we cant duplicate each others interesting results. Whats the point with all of this? First, to have fun of course! Second, to see if we can use modern technology to serve as a launching pad into the non-physical reality...making it all a bit easier, more fun, etc etc.

I am happy to try and answer any questions I can.

to leavesofgrass:

Do you fall asleep with your Laxman on, or do you take it off after the session before you fall asleep?
It would be nice to repeat affirmations/mantras while the program is running and to be able to either fall asleep and project or phase during the session.

Hi AteBits-

I read before going to bed. Usually some kind of book on consciousness like Tom Campbells Big Toe, or William Buhlmans Adventures Out of the Body....something like this....because I enjoying reading these types of things and also because they then seed the intent into my sub-conscious. I read until I become very tired...on the border of falling asleep.

Then I put the Laxman on and do a 30min all white lights program that Lionheart composed called L3...there is no sound to this program as I find that sound distracts me and keeps my awareness centered on the physical as opposed to moving away from it towards the non physical. While listening to this program I repeat the mantra "Now I am out of Body" over and over repeatedly....

During this stage of repeating the mantra I am usually experiencing hypnagogic imagery...at around the 10-15 min mark of the 30min session is when the imagery starts to get intense and I am kind of in border-land...half asleep but not really...and what always brings me back from losing full consciousness is the mantra...I will stop saying it consciously only to find that I temporarily dozed off for a few seconds and then I am brought right back with the mantra just repeating in my head at which point I take over saying it consciously again...and this cycle repeats...where I lose it, bring it back, etc. over and over again.

At the end of the 30min whether I have fallen asleep or not doesnt really matter...at some point the goggles sitting tightly on my face wake me up if I have fallen asleep...although usually I havent fallen asleep so I just take them off and roll over and go to bed...continuing with the mantra as I let myself doze off. The key throughout all of this is to put in as little effort as possible and to not want anything to happen...say the mantra without hoping it will lead to anything but say it passionately and believe that if you keep doing this it is going to work...then just put a smile on your face and fall asleep and the rest will happen for you.

Hope this helps. If you have any more questions Id love to help in any way that I can.

Cheers

AteBits-

One more thing I should mention. I dont ever phase straight from the Laxman in the middle of the program with the lights flashing, etc. I always use the Laxman to get the body and mind in what I think is the best shape possible for phasing....then I phase right after the session....a few times my goggles have been on and the session has been over and I will phase that way. But the majority of the time I just take the goggles off, stretch out and kind of get any last kinks out of my neck, etc....and then let the process unfold from there.

Maybe Lionheart phases directly from the Laxman during the sessions...I am not sure. Lion?

Quote from: leavesofgrass on December 11, 2012, 08:10:02
Maybe Lionheart phases directly from the Laxman during the sessions...I am not sure. Lion?

At different times I do different things. I am always experimenting to keep this adventurous. Sometimes after 1 minute of the Laxman, I try to view my room and my etheric body. Sometimes I attempt to walk outside my home or fly above it. Other times I just relax into the Laxman and ALLOW what it is giving me at the time.
 
It really depends on my mood, pain level at the moment, time of day or night, etc.

I have the procyon now in addition to the laxman. I'll post a full review when I've had enough time to thoroughly test them both. The procyon works but my early impressions are that the laxman is more impressive. It gives a much better light show, the sessions are more immersive and complex, the build quality is better, and I seem to get to a meditative state faster.

I recently bought mine on EBay after reading about the Laxman and owning a Mind Gear PR2 for the last 25 years. But I have only tried it a couple of times. You can also get them on Amazon. Which I had sent and email and called mindmodulation and had no reply and contacted the manufacturer in Germany.  So far the experience is different so far. I feel more comfortable that I don't have to worry about opening my eyes and especially it makes people I invite to try it more. I made one short program on the LaxEdit software but will have to spent more time testing it. I do get a good feeling of relaxation. And have not had the out of body experiences as with the PR2 but I only tried a couple of programs so far. Let me know how if you have any places to get good programs for it. My father is 90 and I bought one for him for Christmas after he liked trying my Laxman. I want to try some of the new experience enhancing drinks to see if they really work. The sleep program works good on it. I did fall asleep before it ended.

 Mspecial12, once you are more comfortable with the Laxman, if you wish I can send you a program called L3 that I made with the LaxEdit. Just PM me your email and I will add it as an attachment.

My program is without sound, so you can alter it in the LaxEdit as well.

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Here is my latest update on the Laxman, the Proteus, and trying to create a mini-Lucia for a fraction of the cost. If you dont know what I am talking about see my posts on these last couple of pages and it will clear it up.

Okay so the Proteus was very slow in getting here what with holiday shipping and all. Anyways, it finally arrived and I have had a few days to play around with it. The first thing I will say is that the Proteus itself is an awesome machine. It is actually quite a bit different from the Laxman believe it or not...even though they are both light and sound machines each one offers a completely unique experience. While I dont want to say that one machine is better than the other, because they are different, I will say that my preference at the moment is definitely the Proteus. I like the Proteus because the lights on the glasses are right smack in front of your eyes whereas with the Laxman the lights are on the side flickering in. For me, I like this more intense experience of the lights right in front of your eyes. So although I love my Laxman, the Proteus is currently my first choice....and, for all those that didnt want to buy a Laxman because of the price of $600 USD, check out the Proteus...it costs $189...I cant tell you how much value you are getting for the money with the Proteus. And no, I have no affiliation whatsoever with either Laxman or Proteus.

Now to my little experiment of trying to emulate the Lucia No 3 light machine....that didnt go so well. The AvStim glasses that I bought separately to use with the Proteus are not bright enough for my needs. I bought a 50W halogen lamp that I shine directly on my eyes from about 2 feet away and while the AvStim glasses are good because they are clear and let the light in...well, the halogen light drowns out the flickering lights of the AvStim glasses so you cant really get the Lucia effect. But, I am able to put the Proteus glasses (which are great by the way) on the tip of my nose...that way I do get some nice flickering lights from the glasses and it lets the halogen light in through the top and I get some kind of a Lucia effect this way.

There is still lots more to do and test to see how to emulate the Lucia. But I will say there is definitely something there with having a solid, stable, halogen lamp shining on your eyes while then also simultaneously having the Proteus do the flickering lights...it seems that the stable halogen light helps you to keep bettter lucidity as you fall into deeper states of trance with the Proteus.

Will keep you posted. In addition to continue to playing around with both the Laxman and the Proteus and the stable halogen light...I am next going to try and listen to some Binaural beat tracks while looking up at the halogen light with closed eyes to see if this gives a Lucia effect. I would encourage anyone out there who has binaural beats and a halogen lamp to give this a shot....see if you cant go deeper into your binaural beat trance maintaining better lucidity because of having that bright halogen light shining down at your face.

And in the end, remember that these are all just tools to make all of this a bit more fun and entertaining!

Cheers, LoG

Very interesting experiments leavesofgrass !
Why must it be an halogen ? Any other bright lamp won't do the job you think ?
And maybe a simple and cheap strobes lights for party would work fine, like this : http://www.amazon.com/American-Big-Shot-Variable-Powered/dp/B0044BSU8U/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1357642563&sr=1-1&keywords=strobe+led
On almost all of this things the frequency of the flash can be controlled. This with a bright light could perhaps approach the effects of the Lucia, what do you think ?
There will be no synchronized sound but it could be interesting. Perhaps I will try some day.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on January 07, 2013, 16:16:19
Here is my latest update on the Laxman, the Proteus, and trying to create a mini-Lucia for a fraction of the cost.

There is still lots more to do and test to see how to emulate the Lucia.

I want one!
I also got excited about the Lucia No. 3 Light Stimulator until I heard about the
hefty price tag  :-(

leavesofgrass,
makes sense. I will be keenly following your experiment progress reports.

Hi Daidy,

I did a lot of research on the Lucia No 3 and discovered that they do indeed use a halogen lamp in the center of the other high powered flashing LEDs. So I am not sure if halogen is necessary, or better, etc. But, since they have found good results with the halogen that is what I am using in my experiments. I dont know how many watts their halogen lamp is though and it would be interesting to find out. I am using a 50 watt halogen lamp with a bulb that is roughly 5cm in diameter.

As for hooking up to those lights you found on Amazon....nice find. Sure looks like it would be worth a shot thats for sure. If its not too expensive and you can make it happen go for it and let us know how it works out. The more comparing and contrasting we do here the more we will all learn. And its a lot of fun to boot!

Cheers, LoG

Hi dreamingod,

Thanks for your post.

Yeah, the Lucia No 3 looks awesome. Its unfortunate that they set the price tag at around $35,000. That is just crazy. It seems to me they are selling an awful lot of hype. Because the unti itself wouldnt be that expensive to make at home. Maybe $2,000 max...which is still a lot of money....but common, $35k.....I wish they would make it more accessible to the average person. Thats ok though someone will come up with something as good or better than the Lucia for less than $1,000 within the next few years. In the meantime we have to get creative and see if we can come up with our own mini-Lucia.

To that end, I have decided that this weekend I am going to drill small holes in my Proteus glasses to let the halogen light source in while the Proteus is running. The key to this operation is that I dont drill through the wiring on the glasses! If I do, well, I guess I will have to order another pair of Proteus glasses and learn from my mistakes and try again. HA.

Seriously though, if it works I will begin testing things with that setup...drilled holes in the Proteus glasses with the halogen light source shining in from above...that should give us an idea of what the Lucia is about and why the Lucia setup is so effective.

To that end...I did some experimenting earlier today and am going to write about it in the next post.

Great to have everyone following along. If you have any suggestions please dont hesitate to throw em out here...we need to try anything and everything! More thoughts on the Lucia effect coming soon.

Cheers, LoG

Ok so heres the latest update on what I am calling the Lucia project. In the Lucia project what we are trying to do is replicate whatever they are doing with the Lucia No 3 light machine...but on a budget!

In my talks with the Lucia people they have mentioned several times that the bright, stable halogen lamp source in combination with the flashing LEDs is what gives the machine its effectiveness. Even they are not sure why that halogen light makes a difference but they have told me they have plenty of anecdotal evidence to show that not only does it make a difference but the differences with and without it are significant. Now you can see why I am so interested in trying to knock-off the Lucia effect.

In my previous post I mentioned that I am going to drill holes in my Proteus glasses and then see how that goes. The reason being, the drilled holes will of course let the stable halogen light source shining from above in through the holes and perhaps give me an idea of what the Lucia is like. I plan on drilling the glasses this weekend and if that goes well I will post about my experiments early next week.

In the meantime I tried something that I will say worked incredibly well. I figured if the Lucia people are getting these effects from that halogen light source why cant I manipulate my brain waves with binaural beats and then just start up at the halogen lamp? So thats what I did. My favorite track is by the Monroe Institute called Right of Passage on the Going Home CD series...this track lasts 35mins long and takes you from Monroes F1 which is full waking consciousness all the way to his F27 which is his park or you could say the astral proper or Frank Kepples F3...the point is, the hemi sync on this track takes you deep, drops you off, and leaves you there....in other words there is no ramping up at the end to bring you back to full waking consciousness. And thats what I love about it. Who wants to be brought back just as one arrives? Not me!

So usually when I listen to this track I click out (lapse in consciousness) as they and then come back some time later when the track is just finishing or has already finished. Its a powerful, poweful track...try it and you will see what I mean. Anyways, today I listened to that track while lying down on my back and placed the 50 watt halogen lamp about 2 fee above my face. So the lamp was on full blast shining down at me right at my closed eyes while I listened to the full Hemi-Sync Right of Passage track. I will just say the experience was awesome! The difference with and without the halogen is in fact significant. This was the first time I was able to stay fully lucid from start to finish on the Right of Passage track....yet at the same time I kept going deeper and deeper into la-la land....the difference is that as I went deeper and deeper I maintained clear lucidity all the way "down"...I have a feeling this is because of the lamp. I will continue testing and post results here.

If anyone else reads this and can try this at home with their own binaural beat track that they have found effective without a halogen light...try it with and let us know how it goes. I think you will be astonished. And remember, the key is to let things develop on their own....dont force anything. I will be writing more about this issue of not forcing things in a later post.

Cheers everyone, LoG

I bought a Laxman after owning a mind gear pr-2 for over 25 years. I too wanted the latest and greatest. I tried to get info from Mind Modulation and after 2 month of no replies from emails and no one answering the phone I bought one on EBay. I see now on Amazon too. Some low and some higher priced. I love it so far but my father who is 90 liked it and now I am always working and he gets to use it. The two programs I tried were a relaxation and a sleep program. The sleep program I was out within 10 minutes I think because I was out quickly. Faster then the PR-2 and the relaxation with the monkey sounds in the trees have me giggle to my self when I hear it. I will try more and write more. With PR-2 over the years I once saw the so called white light were my body was surrounded by white light and I felt so great but only once. And a lot of past memories come back and the colors are great even with your eyes closed. But with the Laxman I can open my eyes and see the colors more quickly. Or close them and I have to spend more time when I can get it away from my father. So far if it lasts as long as my PR-2 it was a good investment. Since now I am not afraid to share with my family. Where with the closed eye systems. When I tell them they cannot open their eyes the stress counter acts the purpose of the machines.

Sounds great.  I am happy for everyone that has one of those gadgets.   It sounds exciting.  It would be wonderful to have something to look forward to.  It makes me feel I would like to have one but I decide not to.   If I really want to ap, I mostly can.  I just have to make the effort to really want to ap. 

Thanks to this thread and subsequent research online, I have ordered a Procyon and will be posting my results to this thread.

My goals for getting it:
- Want to achieve deep trance state reliably and quickly
- Want to avoid falling asleep, hopefully the flashing light delivery system will take care of that

I can reach my goals during the afternoon but not in the morning when I want to actually practice phasing, so I hope to use this to prime myself for a more productive practice session in the early morning.

For anyone with a Procyon, what are the best preset tracks to use?

Had my first experience yesterday with the real Lucia no3, it was unbelievable, its something out of this world, all i can say is this: its really all that i have read about it before and much more,

Within a few minutes i was in a different world seeing gorgeous colors and well set patterns shaping and merging, some of them are in serious mode and some are making you light up like,

I had a 17 minute session and when got out it felt like i slept for many hours, was a different person afterwards, felt sharp and energized, boosted with confidence and power,

Thinking about purchasing one and bring it back to NY so people can use mine and enjoy a session for a small fee to help cover the cost.

Quote from: Lucia@NY on January 15, 2013, 23:58:00
Had my first experience yesterday with the real Lucia no3, it was unbelievable, its something out of this world, all i can say is this: its really all that i have read about it before and much more,

Within a few minutes i was in a different world seeing gorgeous colors and well set patterns shaping and merging, some of them are in serious mode and some are making you light up like,

I had a 17 minute session and when got out it felt like i slept for many hours, was a different person afterwards, felt sharp and energized, boosted with confidence and power,

Thinking about purchasing one and bring it back to NY so people can use mine and enjoy a session for a small fee to help cover the cost.

First off. Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

I am thoroughly jealous of you. Go away!  :wink:

Just kidding, Thank You for sharing this!  :-)

The Procyon arrived yesterday, I have had the opportunity to use it twice. Each time I used it with high-quality in-ear-monitor headphones, using the synthesized sounds from the presets that come with the system.

1) In the evening to try it out, I lay down and tried the 35-minute "visualization" track. It's quite dazzling at first, I turned down the brightness to about half. You get very interesting patterns but I did not get any "brain-generated" imagery as I expected, only the patterns generated by my eyes being exposed to bright flashing lights. So, no mandalas or geometric forms or scenes, just different patterns of flashing lights.

2) Today at 6AM I woke up early and tried to use the 35-minute "Night Voyage" session. It's very relaxing and it goes through several stages. I definitely clicked out towards the end, since I almost didn't notice when it was over. You wouldn't think that would be possible with these lights flashing right into your retinas but it definitely lulls you off to sleep!


My method so far is to lie down and focus either on my breathing or on the lights in my visual field, without trying to think or see anything in particular. By relaxing my focus and taking in the entire of my periphery this makes my eyes relax and seems to bring on a trance-like state sooner.

If there's a better recommended method let me know. I want to get into an alert but very relaxed state, so it's easier to take my mind away from the physical sensations once the session is over. I think that how you approach this mentally is a large component, so you definitely have to be meditating in some way to get the most out of this device. Just lying there blanking your mind out is probably not the right way to do it because you'll just fall asleep.

I like this machine, last time I used the "night voyage" track I nearly fell out of bed because I hallucinated a dog attacking me.

 For anyone currently using a Light/Sound machine, anyone it doesn't have to be the Laxman. Try the following: Start doing sessions while having the light and sound turned down to the point that you are just seeing a faint light in the distance or hearing a whisper for your sound.

You will find that this really teaches you how to get a new level of focus. I have found that images are much more vivid and sounds much more clear.

Give it a try and then post your results here. I would love to hear them.

Thank you!  :-)

Could you expand on that? What are you focusing on?

Quote from: bluremi on January 30, 2013, 13:05:27
Could you expand on that? What are you focusing on?

The faint sounds that you are seeing and hearing.

This technique opens up to other vivid images quite quickly.

Sometimes I find when the lights are too bright, they keep my eyes jumping through the whole experience. By turning them down, almost to the point of them not being there you see that your eyes are much more comfortable and that you can ALLOW yourself to wander with better results, at least when trying to project that is.

Thank you, that sounds like an interesting experiment. I will try it out and post how it goes.

 Well it's been awhile since i posted anything here about the Laxman. I use it about every second day and find great results with it. It still is the fastest way for me to gain non physical focus.

This just came in through a Newsletter I recieve periodically from the makers of the Lucia 3. If you live in the East Coast of the USA and get a chance to try, I would love to hear your review of it. New Jersey is a bit far for me right now.

"Lucia No 3 will be at the upcoming Mind Body Spirt Expo in Edison, New Jersey, March 15-17

Vermont Lucid Light and Vermont Photonics will be in booth C714.

Come to the expo to try a free demo session with the Lucia No 3

Vermont Photonics and Vermont Lucid Light"
Brattleboro Vermont

What I'm interested to know is when you're using the laxman and you have moved out of phase do the flashing lights interfere and become a distracting overlay to the NP environment you are exploring?

I have a laxman on order at the moment and was interested in the L3 programme that you created, Lion. Have you based your strobing pattern on videos you've seen of the Lucia? If so I just found a good video that maybe you haven't seen which shows it up close in your face. When my Laxman arrives I might also do some testing with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E0JM0l4iBk

go to 7:22 for the Lucia part

 Thank You for the link Little Bibble!  :-)

I found that entire video interesting. I love hearing other people's AP success stories.

Send a PM to me with your email address and I will send you my L3 program.

I don't have or wish to do a video on this. I am happy with just corresponding here, like I do now!  :-)

Hello Gentlemen

Lionheart congratulate you all the information you give so selflessly. Take to ask anyone who has bought his Laxman on Amazon, I could tell who was the seller? Marks General Services perhaps?. I would be grateful to help me because I want to buy and want to know how reliable is the seller.

Atte Javier

Quote from: Javier on March 14, 2013, 21:41:33
Hello Gentlemen

Lionheart congratulate you all the information you give so selflessly. Take to ask anyone who has bought his Laxman on Amazon, I could tell who was the seller? Marks General Services perhaps?. I would be grateful to help me because I want to buy and want to know how reliable is the seller.

Atte Javier

Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse, Javier.

Thank You for your kind words!  :-)

I purchased mine directly from the company.

I have used Amazon in the past to purchase other things and have found it quite reliable.

My advice, if you wish to go this route, is to Google that company's name and try to find reviews from others on their service.

Good  Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

I used audiostrobe.com which was cheaper than direct through the seller but the plus side was that the German manufacturers were the ones who sent it to me. So best of both worlds

Quote from: Little Bibble on March 15, 2013, 05:05:37
I used audiostrobe.com which was cheaper than direct through the seller but the plus side was that the German manufacturers were the ones who sent it to me. So best of both worlds

:-) :-) :-)

Well, I've been admiring this baby from afar from several months now. Been reading about the Laxman, thinking about it, even having dreams about it, and I've been obsessively reading reviews and info on it.

I NEVER ever thought I would actually own one. I was ready to just face the music or settle for a much cheaper/less effective alternative, when the universe gave me an unexpected twist.

I was hanging out at my mom's today, on my laptop, and I was looking at info about the Laxman. She sneaked up behind me and startled me. She asked me what I was reading about, and I showed her a few pictures of the Laxman and a few reviews.

She stared at me for a good minute, and then she said the most unexpected thing...

"I'll pay for half the cost, honey. Here's $300."

I was completely dumfounded. This statement, coming from a woman who wouldn't let me have an extra $100 because I wanted a prom dress that was too expensive, a few years ago. I looked at her all funny and asked her if she was feeling okay... I was curious as to why she was so eager to help me fund this thing.

She then burst out laughing and told me that I left my laptop open here on a Laxman page, once, and that she read all about the Laxman and was dying to try it out, herself, since she's also into meditation, spirituality, and mind altering devices. She used to have a much cheaper light machine that she sold six years ago because she was just looking for something "better". She told me there was just no way she was going to pay the whole $600 for the Laxman. She did her own research on it and was hoping that I'd buy it myself or would co-pay for it, with her. Ahahaha. She told me when it gets here, we're sharing it and that the terms and conditions are that she can steal it from me whenever she likes.  :-P God, I love my mommy. She's just too funny.

So, we placed an order for one and I am literally jumping up and down and bouncing off the walls with happiness. I will review it as best as I can, when I get it. Despite all of the fabulous reviews that I've seen on it (both here on the pulse and elsewhere), I honestly still have no idea what to expect. I think that it's one of those things that needs to be experienced rather than translated into words. I know the thing is going to shine bright lights at me and has an MP3 player, but I don't think I've wrapped my mind around how awesome it's going to actually be.

When I get it, I'm planning on reviewing all of the different settings and functions. Expect a huge wall of text detailing every inch of this baby when it gets here. I'm so happy that I'm positively bursting. It's funny that the one thing I really have honestly and genuinely wished for and wanted for months now has not only fallen into my lap quite cheaply (considering the actual cost), but that my mother is apparently exactly like me and has been drooling over it, as well.

Quote from: Fairywindblues on March 15, 2013, 21:10:10
So, we placed an order for one and I am literally jumping up and down and bouncing off the walls with happiness. I will review it as best as I can, when I get it. Despite all of the fabulous reviews that I've seen on it (both here on the pulse and elsewhere), I honestly still have no idea what to expect. I think that it's one of those things that needs to be experienced rather than translated into words. I know the thing is going to shine bright lights at me and has an MP3 player, but I don't think I've wrapped my mind around how awesome it's going to actually be.

Excellent news Fairywind!  :-)

I guess it was meant to be.

Mom, to the rescue!  :-D You both will enjoy it.

I have lived my entire life on the premise of "Trust in the Multiverse"!  :-)

I first saw the Laxman in a Phase session I was doing. I knew after that I had to hunt it down.

MJ, my better half uses it when she is stressed out and needs to relax. She loves it too.

Don't have any expectations going into it, other than knowing it will give you complete non physical focus in mere minutes.

You really do have to experience to truly understand the reviews we have given here.

I have wanted to write many other things on it. But, I didn't want to look like some kind of company spokesman. I do in PMs though.

You are more than welcomed to a copy of my L3 program as well. After you have used the Laxman for awhile, I'll show you some fun stuff you can do during a session.

I can't wait to read your review!  :-)

The Laxman was definitely calling out to me, as well. I saw it, I read the reviews, and I just knew that some day, some how, that thing was going to be MINE. I didn't have the extra $300 + shipping to pay for it at the current moment but I was seriously considering ebaying some of my personal assets just to get it. I was still wary about it because for $600, that thing better last.

I keep looking around the web for info on warranties and all that but can't really find anything. I think I'd have to go to the company directly and ask them about it. I sorta just want to know that if the thing malfunctions or straight up doesn't work, that they would do something about it.

I'm not too worried because one lady on youtube has a much, much cheaper sound and light machine that's still kicking after a decade. Same one my mom and I used to have - the Galaxy Voyager. We paid about $200 bucks and it worked fine for about four years, we just decided to sell it. I'd tell you how it was but I was a lot younger when we bought it and my mom wouldn't let me touch it much. So, for something that's $400 more, I expect the thing to last for at least 20 years if one lady's $200 Voyager has been kicking for a decade.

All in all, I know it sounds completely weird, but I do feel a strong connection with the Laxman, as well. It's just screaming "Buy me, buy me" at me. My worst fear, of course, is that I'm going to get it, fall in love with it, and have it malfunction or glitch and not be able to get it fixed.  :-P However, I'm an optimist, and this is supposedly top notch and looks sturdy enough to me. Plus, anything made in Germany or Europe is typically a plus.

 The Laxman Light and Sound Machine Product has a two year factory warranty.

The German's have always been known for their excellent engineering.

That's where our own space program was born, via rockets created by Wernher von Braun.  :wink:

Here's the PDF Handbook for the product from the company. I don't know if you had this yet.

http://www.neurotronics.eu/fileadmin/downloads/manual_english/Handbook_Laxman.pdf

Sold.

I'm gonna read this handbook, now. My mother, being over protective, reminded me that I'm prone to migraines and should use with caution.  :roll: Aside from that, though, I've never had a seizure and aren't on any weird meds. Now that I know it has a two year warranty, I can breathe, now. I have read many reviews on the Procyon mind machine (my second choice) and some people claimed that not only did some of the lights stop working after a while, but that customer support was virtually non-existent and never responded. There's nothing that I hate more than a pricy item that malfunctions and has snobby customer support that completely ignores their clients. The Procyon does look cool, though, for a cheaper alternative, and has brilliant reviews on Amazon except for the ones that say customer support stinks and that it has programming and system problems. That's the mind machine I was going to buy with the wad of cash I already had before my mother offered to chip in. Out of sheer curiosity, though, the Procyon is definitely something I'd get if I ever have 300 bucks burning a hole in my pocket. I am genuinely curious as to what the differences in these mind machines are. They say the Voyager and Mind's Eye are good. Then, they say the Procyon is REALLY good. And, compared to that, the Laxman is supposedly leagues above all of those. It just makes me want to collect some of them to know for myself. I think that after the Laxman, I will splurge on the Procyon sometime in the next few years out of sheer curiosity. Heck, maybe I'll start my own little mind machine collection.

Back to the Laxman, after I receive it, tinker with it, and figure out how to get custom content on there, I will definitely PM you to see what you have. I also plan on doing a youtube review of it because I've found no Laxman reviews on Youtube except for maybe two, and neither were in English. I'm already planning on making a youtube account for stuff like talking about personal astral experiences, lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis, cleansing the pineal gland, and all of that hippie new age stuff.  :-P Whenever I find a product that can legitimately enhance meditation or if I feel it's expanding my consciousness, I just get so excited I could burst. I never expect anything to be an easy button that I can just push and get instant results. But, it would be nice to have a little extra push to push you out of that NPR door so you don't have to try so hard.

Before we sold our Galaxy Voyager mind machine, I did try it out twice. I was fairly young and not too familiar with half of what I know, now. I remember thinking "Woah... the lights are bright" and after a while, it sort of started to feel like I was floating and was just being carried on a journey where I got some nice visuals pop into my head. I believe, too, that there's something to the whole DMT and light connection. It seems that no matter which mind machine it is, no matter how cheaply built or well built, people all get an altered state of mind from having LED lights flashing in their eyes.

Technically, this isn't that out there of a theory, considering sunlight is known to be good for the pineal gland. This probably mimics the sun's influence on the pineal gland except it really kicks it up a notch in potency. I can't wait to see if my dreams will become more vivid or if my visuals will become intense near phasing. All those would be signs that DMT is indeed being released more than it regularly is. I've already been working on taking supplements and drinking lots of lemon water to chelate the pineal gland. My results with clarity of consciousness have tripled since before I started this regime. If this machine does its job, then I'm truly going to have a blast and party with my active pineal gland.  :-D

Thank you all for answering my questions, I tell you already ordered and is coming to my country (Chile), unfortunately the cost of the product be added the shipping, but what the hell ... is the only way. I want to know what you think of this review that made ​​a person who bought the Laxman, is the way to copy now:

"Top of the line", "state of the art" -- sort of -- if you want to add your own sessions, it requires a MINI SD card that it rather difficult to find (eBay sells a few ). There's plenty of room in the case for the regular cards, so this is poor design and it really needs to be upgraded. The session editor could be improved in several ways, such as enabling exact frequencies of choice rather than only the standard 440A scale. Also, the ganzfeld goggles need to be larger with better padding/seal around the edges. The LED system could well be replaced with video goggles to enable unlimited programming, such as images ( yantras, words &c ) and the full spectrum of html colors. The earbuds suck. A total headset ( integrated goggles & earphone ) would be nice, if only as an optional accessory. Oh well.., some other decade perhaps... I've been waiting 35 years for this and I can't make one myself, so I'll make do. After all, it is very effective anyway....

I also take the Fairywindblues welcome in this thread, I am excited to know that there are people like me with anxiety levels reaching inaccessible to ordinary mortals. Sounds like a great idea what you mention about creating a YouTube channel to share your experiences, because as you say there is no information regarding Laxman, and if there is inconsistent to have a better idea of the potential and the results laxman can be achieved with use.

Luck.

Quote from: Javier on March 17, 2013, 17:58:16
"Top of the line", "state of the art" -- sort of -- if you want to add your own sessions, it requires a MINI SD card that it rather difficult to find (eBay sells a few ). There's plenty of room in the case for the regular cards, so this is poor design and it really needs to be upgraded. The session editor could be improved in several ways, such as enabling exact frequencies of choice rather than only the standard 440A scale. Also, the ganzfeld goggles need to be larger with better padding/seal around the edges. The LED system could well be replaced with video goggles to enable unlimited programming, such as images ( yantras, words &c ) and the full spectrum of html colors. The earbuds suck. A total headset ( integrated goggles & earphone ) would be nice, if only as an optional accessory. Oh well.., some other decade perhaps... I've been waiting 35 years for this and I can't make one myself, so I'll make do. After all, it is very effective anyway....

I agree with much of this. The ear buds are bad, but that's not a part of the Laxman, just an accessory. I use my noise cancelling Bose, they have much better sound.

I still haven't bought a Mini SD card. I use the programs already there plus I have written 8 myself. That's good enough for now.

You really want to find a program that works good and use it for Daily Entrainment anyways. Using the same session over and over again is the only way to really find out if it's helping you. That's if you want to do some actual research. Otherwise you can just enjoy a different session everytime.

The next jump up from the Laxman in pricing at the current time is to the Lucia 3, priced at over $20,000 US. $600 to $20,000 is quite a jump.

Javier, does it work for you?  Is it helping you to lose your physical focus? What are you experiencing?

LionHeart clarified that the views on the Laxman corresponds to another user who bought on Amazon. Personally I can not comment because I have not to come to hand, when the time will give my impressions. Although I can say that after much research, I decided on the notorious Laxman manufacturing quality above all others that are within the price range.

I have always been interested in the brain's hidden potential, I think that's the point of creation, and the doors to higher knowledge.
The 25 or so will my Laxman I'm eager to experience.

PD: (sorry if there is any error in writing, use "google translate" to translate from Spanish)

 Ok, I misunderstood what you had said. My bad!  :oops:

But, I still wish to hear your review and experiences with it, after you have used it for awhile!  :-)

Hey leavesofgrass. Very useful info! A few questions...

Are you still using the Laxman with the L3 program?

Does that continue to give you most OBE's?

What's the link to download the L3 program?

Has anyone else had similar OBE experiences with the Laxman?

Is the Laxman the best device for OBE's under $1000?

I'd love to buy the Lucia No. 3... but the price is ridiculous.

Thanks!

Quote from: leavesofgrass on December 10, 2012, 03:56:01
As Lion mentioned, I do like to go extra bright on every session I do. For me, the brighter the better with the Laxman. And I always do sessions with my eyes closed.

I have had the Laxman for a few months now and I can definitely say that the more often you use it the "better" it gets. Also, I think repeating your favorite program is a good thing to do so that you can go deeper and deeper with that program. It will "train" you to go deeper into the mind awake body asleep state if thats what you are looking for....which I think most of us here are.

I highly recommend the program that Lion created that we are both now using. Its called L3 and it uses all white lights and in a 30min program takes you from 27hz down to the Theta range. I dont know if its how Lion has set up the frequencies, or the intensity variations of the white flashing lights, etc etc....but, this program works very well for me. In fact, I am only using this program now...and each time I go deeper and deeper.

I used to never be able to project late at night during regular sleep hours because like everyone I was too tired and always just fell asleep. So to make up for this I get up very early for morning practice. But lately I have been doing Lions Laxman L3 program (which doesnt have a sound track by the way...and personally I find sound, even binaural beats, distracting and far less powerful than the lights...but thats just me....no sound lets me decouple from the physical much more easily)...anyways I listen to this L3 track which is just under 30mins long...and while I am listening I repeat continuously "Now Im out of Body" (per William Buhlman in Adventures out of the Body)....that is all I do....I repeat that continually and let the lights do their thing. Then when the program is finished I roll over onto my stomach and go to sleep and continue repeating the same mantra....and then bang as soon as my body falls completely asleep I am brought back wide and awake with the OBE vibrations...and then its off you go.

This is awesome for 2 reasons. The first reason is that I can finally project at night...and consistently too. I will keep doing this and let you guys know how consistent it is. But so far I would say its about 70% or better which is pretty incredible considering night time projections have always been the most difficult for me (I should note that projecting in the early morning has never been a problem for me so for those who try this have some patience...do it every night and stay faithful about it and dont be in a rush...let it happen...and it will). The second reason this is so awesome is because it requires the least amount of effort of anything I have ever done before. I am not visualizing, etc. I am just saying that simple statement over and over and then letting the process unfold on its own. I think over concentrating on visualization which goes hand-in-hand with trying to hard is the single biggest factor people have trouble projecting. Have patience and just let it happen....I promise you this is all so much more simple than we all tend to make it at first.

I have not found my AVS machine (Procyon) to be very helpful. I think this is a problem with me and my expectations rather than the product itself. To get a "non-physical focus" like Lionheart describes I think you have to be able to achieve that focus on your own. Then the AVS machines will help you get there much faster.

I can't maintain the focus and tend to fall asleep, which I imagine a great majority of people who try to consciously reach that stage do as well. This is a problem with my own abilities and says nothing about the effectiveness of the device. The Procyon is so effective, actually, that it makes me pass out into a stupor during the middle of the day when I am wide awake.

Right now I am focusing on developing the focus and technique necessary to achieve the Phase on my own. Once I am able to do it consistently this device should make it a much faster process.

 Rycode, I can answer one of those questions for you.

The L3 programs is one that I wrote with the help of Leaves.

There is no "link" to it, because it is just on my computer.

The rest of your questions can be answered by other people using the device. You have most likely read my views on it here already.

I  wish to hear other people's opinion of it as well!  :-)

Thanks Lionheart! I went back and read through the thread. Lots of great info!

I have some questions for you...

So you use your L3 program without sound and that works best for projecting or phasing?

I know Leaves likes the lights brighter, but you like to turn them down, correct?

Do you still suggest starting with the deep Relaxation and sleep programs?

What makes the L3 program better than the other Laxman presets?

Is the Laxman more effective for stimulating the pineal gland and releasing DMT than other less expensive machines?

Much appreciated!

Quote from: Lionheart on March 18, 2013, 18:14:41
Rvcode, I can answer one of those questions for you.

The L3 programs is one that I wrote with the help of Leaves.

There is no "link" to it, because it is just on my computer.

The rest of your questions can be answered by other people using the device. You have most likely read my views on it here already.

I  wish to hear other people's opinion of it as well!  :-)

 Rvcode, here's my answers.

1. I use that L3 program without sound most of the time, but once in awhile I use my separate MP3 and headphones for sound. Other times I just do the program + headphones to cancel out any exterior sounds.

2.I use it bright, but have experimented with turning it down too. I always find experimenting keeps it "new".

3. Yes, Deep Relaxation and Sleep programs are the best in my opinion to use when you are new. Underwater is very tranquil as well.

4.L3 was made with no color whatsover and jumps up and down into different frequencies instead of just staying in one. It looks like it has color, but that is due to adjusting the light frequency while making the program. You really have to try it to see what I mean. Without the device, this means basically nothing to a person.

5. I haven't tried the other machines, so I can't say. I can say that the Laxman was the one in my vision and I knew if i was going to purchase one, that it would be the best I could find. I paid the high price because I knew it was top quality and that that would give me the best device for the job, at least in my price range.
I believe it works in sequence with the pineal gland and releases DMT. This is my personal view from what I have experienced.
I read about a gentleman who had a NDE, as soon as he came back, he created a light machine. He said light is the answer to accessing the consciousness and healing.
Here is a video with Thomas Mellen Benedict http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8FBdLFUQc0

Hey Lion and RV,

Lion, its been a while. Just had a kid! So things have been busy.

I received a message from RV and responded. But just wanted to put my two cents out here in the forum so that anyone else can potentially benefit from reading it.

The Laxman is a great tool. But its only a tool. Lion and I could both project consistently before the Laxman. What the Laxman does is just help you perhaps get to the relaxed launching state a bit faster. It kind of gets the body-brain physiological-neurological stuff in the ripe place for projection. But I think you still have to know how to project in order for it to help you project. I could be wrong. Just my two cents.

The best, most effective thing I can recommend to anyone...learn how to project on your own first. Meditation is the best way. And then once you get good at it on your own...start playing with toys like the Laxman because you will have a basis of comparison in terms of projecting with or without the toys-tools.

Cheers everybody.

Thanks Lion and LOG. Congrats on the new baby LOG!

I've tried a lot of techniques over the years and also tons of brainwave CD's including many Monroe titles... but no luck.

I have come close. Mind awake body asleep. Several times I heard myself snoring, but then that sort of woke me back up.

I meditated for a few years and do know how to quiet the mind, but it was never enough for an OBE or astral projection.

That's why I began to look for new "tools" to help me out. The Laxman certainly sounds very effective, especially if it causes the pineal gland to secrete DMT.

Do you find that practicing OBE or phasing techniques interrupts your normal sleep pattern?

It seems like evertime I start practicing again I automatically wake up 3 - 4 times during the night versus only 1 time a night.

Are there any updates or news from Neurotronics about creating a program to emulate Lucia No 3 light patterns and sequences?

Quote from: bluremi on March 18, 2013, 14:14:09
I have not found my AVS machine (Procyon) to be very helpful. I think this is a problem with me and my expectations rather than the product itself. To get a "non-physical focus" like Lionheart describes I think you have to be able to achieve that focus on your own. Then the AVS machines will help you get there much faster.

I can't maintain the focus and tend to fall asleep, which I imagine a great majority of people who try to consciously reach that stage do as well. This is a problem with my own abilities and says nothing about the effectiveness of the device. The Procyon is so effective, actually, that it makes me pass out into a stupor during the middle of the day when I am wide awake.

Right now I am focusing on developing the focus and technique necessary to achieve the Phase on my own. Once I am able to do it consistently this device should make it a much faster process.

First off, Congratulations on the new Baby Leaves!  :-)

Hello Bluremi.

Last night I tried to find out what could be happening to you and why.

First I turned on my L3 program and just kind of "lackadaisically" watched the lights, after about what seemed like 10 minutes I started falling deeper into a trance, but seemed to be fading out, like going into a stupor, instead of a Phase session. I then started to get the feeling of falling asleep. This was the first time I have experienced this, so it was new to me.

I then turned the same program back on and immediately started "noticing". Noticing what? Looking ahead at the patterns, watching as those patterns took some kind of shape. Did it create a tunnel or some kind of vortex? What was down that tunnel/vortex? Then I tried to look at my the room I was in. Correction, I looked at the room I was in. I find there's a difference big difference between trying and doing. Many times people say they try to visualize something, don't try to.  Just do it. It really is that easy when we learn to control our minds.

I let myself be absorbed in the act of noticing so strongly, that I found myself twisting and twirling around in these places. I could fly at warp speed through the colors. They kept changing and so did my visions.

Do you see the difference here? The unit, whichever one you are using is simply a "tool". You are the one that still needs to make that tool work.

In the first experiment, I let the Lights just ease me into sleep. Which is why I think the Laxman works so well. I am convinced that it follows the exact pattern that we do as we are beginning to fall asleep. We nod off, then the show begins.

In the second experiment, I used the Lights as my "easel" or picture screen, per say. I focused on what I could see in the lights. I focused on the patterns. My focus was so strong, that sleep wasn't an option. I was wide away and shifting into the NPR at warp speed.

I hope this helps you, I haven't used the Procyon, but from what Leaves had to say about it, I'm sure it's a great "tool" to aide you along your way as well. There are some very good reviews on it. It creates the Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta state like the Laxman as well. So, I think the only difference is the unit itself. Leaves says the Procyon has far more programs then the Laxman. I wasn't that interested in a bunch of programs, I just wanted a program that was going to work.

I hope this helps you and if you have any other questions you are welcomed to respond here or just PM me!  :-)

I gave the L3 program a go this morning. For the first fifteen minutes I wasn't getting too much out of it and thought to myself the Lucia lights are much brighter so I whopped the brightness to maximum and within a minute I realised the shapes the lights were producing were a lot more malleable and aligned to my thoughts. Very interesting. I will explore this further. So in summation, good work on the program Lion and Leaves. Seems really good considering I've only used it once.

One thing I might add (which I noticed when looking at it in Laxedit) is that you have not put a return back up to beta waves at the end. Maybe the laxman does it automatically but if not I think this is really important to do so it. I've attended several TMI courses and they really make a big thing about being grounded after an exercise.

The logic is that if you consider yourself like an elastic band - when you move to an altered state the elastic of your consciousness stretches outward. Now if you don't come back to normal C1 consciousness you are left with that airy floaty feeling (which most people think is nice (which it is)) so when you do another session you are already ungrounded so the shift in consciousness this time is not as clear because you are already partly in an altered state. If the elastic band of consciousness is back at c1 it makes the next journey into the altered state more pronounced than if you were ungrounded so it makes these altered states more recognisable to you as you enter them rather than just a hazy fog of ungroundedness with no differentiation between states. Also, it is apparently important to ground the experience in order to retain a clearer memory of it.

I remember Leaves talking about Right of Passage on the Going Home cd. I have that as well and I thought it was awesome that there was no return to C1 but now I realise it is not a good thing. That track was designed for terminal patients so the need to come back is not necessary. If you listen to most hemi-sync Bob makes a very methodical and slow return to C1. This is to properly ground you.

Quote from: Little Bibble on March 22, 2013, 09:35:33
One thing I might add (which I noticed when looking at it in Laxedit) is that you have not put a return back up to beta waves at the end. Maybe the laxman does it automatically but if not I think this is really important to do so it. I've attended several TMI courses and they really make a big thing about being grounded after an exercise.

I did that purposely. The Laxman session is only like a Primer to me.

The real session starts when the Laxman program ends.

The L3 program puts me in the perfect mindset to shift to my intended/chosen destination or activity.

Mind you, I experience quite a bit of Hypnogogic Imagery within the first 10 minutes of the L3 program already.

Last night for the first time I used the Across (Alpha) program. I could swear I could hear Dolphins talking in it and that's the visual I was getting a well.

It left me incredibly alert and aware once the program had ended.

This was the first time I have ever tried that one and found it totally different from the others.

The Neurotronics company really did create some unique programs for this device!  :-)

Ah, okay, I see. One thing I'm curious about is how much of a distraction does the flashing become once you achieve some non physical awareness. So far I've experienced more fleeting imagery and I can't help but think that the flashing is interrupting my focus on the imagery

 You can calm the flashing by either adjusting the light intensity and frequency or by going into Lax edit and changing to more of a smooth transition.

Experiment with it, that's what makes it fun!

I find the flashing kind of wakes me up, when I am falling too deep into a Trance state.

It helps me remain consciously aware.

@lionheart - I haven't read threw all these posts but do you use this device every time you go to phase now?? Or just every now an then to experiment differences ?

I just ordered my Laxman today!

Can't wait to get it and test it out.

rvcode

Hey Rv,

Congrats on the Laxman! Its a wonderful tool. Enjoy!

On a side note....my floating tank will be up and operational in less than 2 weeks...I have had some delays with ordering salt, etc. but now its getting close.

As I just wrote over on another post, I am going to float from 8-12pm then sleep in my bed from 12-4am...then float from 4-8am...I am going to do this every day so that I can start merging sleeping and waking consciousness...and I will write about all my experiences in my other post topic on floating.

In the meantime, keep us posted on all things Laxman Lion!

Cheers,

Log

Quote from: enlightnd on March 24, 2013, 20:44:23
@lionheart - I haven't read threw all these posts but do you use this device every time you go to phase now?? Or just every now an then to experiment differences ?

It's about 50% of the time now.

I have been experimenting with other tools as well.

The Laxman is still by far the fastest and most efficient tool for me to achieve a shift.

But, my ability to shift without it, just from simply closing my eyes and noticing, is quickly catching up.

Hey Lion!

Hope all is well with you. I have been busy with the baby hence not a lot of action on the Pulse lately. But I wanted to ask you, have you ever floated?

Cheers.

Quote from: leavesofgrass on April 20, 2013, 14:48:51
Hey Lion!

Hope all is well with you. I have been busy with the baby hence not a lot of action on the Pulse lately. But I wanted to ask you, have you ever floated?

Cheers.

Yes a new child is a handful. lol. But I say that in a "loving' way!  :-)

Floating is still on my "Bucket List". I am going to try to find a place in Minneapolis, Mn, soon!  :wink:

I just returned an hour ago from a Renaissance Faire in Kansas and was given and had borrowed to me a couple of new tools to test for some friends there.

So, I shall be using those for awhile on top of my Laxman, Egyptian Healing Rods and my Binaural Beat Mp3's.

My current trip to Kansas was VERY interesting and informative.

Someday I shall speak more about my journey's here on the Public Forum.

But for now I am a open and eager student.  :-)

-I have read that the Laxman doesn't have headphones, but only earbuds. Maybe it's not a huge issue but headphones isolate you from other noises better, and perhaps sound quality may be better.

-And that customer service is almost non-existent??  I've read that in several reviews.

Is it that bad, those of you who have one?

I've ordered something more modest but which seems backed up by a lot of good reviews: The Mind Alive David Delight https://www.mindalive.com/Products_DAVID_Delight.htm (https://www.mindalive.com/Products_DAVID_Delight.htm)  -the basic one - at 295.00 CDN.

Plus the company is based here in Canada so I don't risk paying additional fees (customs).  :-P

They have a model with CES, cranial electrical stimulation, using an electrode to send electrical pulses in the body for additional effect. That's the PRO model at 525.00 CDN.

I get overnight shipping so it arrives tomorrow.

Can't wait to try.

It may be enough. No need for super fancy -performing  :x - gimmicks.  :-D

See, I've heard that they do have customer support. I've read these accounts from several different people. Maybe the people who didn't get customer support right away just didn't try hard enough to contact them. Trust me, if I had a problem, I'd be emailing and calling and annoying anyone I could until they could help me with the problem.  :-P

Plus, if you have an actual glitch or malfunction in the goggles, for example, you can buy replacement goggles online, even if the warranty has expired and they won't replace them.

Speaking of which, there is supposedly a warranty on them? From what I've read.

I got into some financial issues so my order on my Laxman is slightly delayed, but I'll hopefully finally get it in 2-3 weeks. :D

From what I recall reading, the ones complaining about lack of support had tried contacting the company several times.

Anyway.. I hope I don't need to pay twice what I paid for a good machine!  :lol: My basic model seems ok for now.


I might get colors, more presets, some I can create... and one machine - which I mentioned in my previous post - even sends electrical impulses in the body, supposedly enhancing many effects... with a costlier one.

But so far the one I have does an interesting job. Even though light flashing and sounds in your ears might seem stimulating, the ones I tried had a kind of restful effect on my nerves. Of course they (sounds, etc) were for meditation. Others are for wakefulness, sharpness, etc

hmm...  :-o

I actually want to get the Laxman and the Procyon. I have a strategy behind this.

The Laxman glasses will work on the Procyon. The Laxman comes with it's own system, obviously, which isn't supposed to fail. But... just in case, the Procyon, which is half the cost, can always be used with the goggles. It will just have different session styles.

Plus, they come with their own set of unique glasses. Mixing and matching sounds fun to me.

Quote from: Fairywindblues on May 02, 2013, 20:53:04

Plus, they come with their own set of unique glasses. Mixing and matching sounds fun to me.

:lol:

And you don't mind having earbuds instead of head sets? Don't know if it's supposed to make a big difference, but headsets shield you from external sounds better.

Anyway, hope your purchase(s) are satisfying.

:wink:

  I believe 1/2 of what I hear, but everything I see. I live my entire life by this motto.

Frequent Flier, I'm kind of baffled how you create an opinion on the Laxman when you haven't ever used.

The earbuds work, they may not be the best, but they work.

Headsets can also be bulky and intrusive. That's why they went with earbuds. To keep it simple and lightweight.

I have contacted the company twice and both times I received quick replies.

They also have a Facebook site, where they address people's problems.

A Volkswagon and a Porche both have 4 wheels, a engine and and get you from point A to point B, but they have a huge difference in their price.

The next step up from the Laxman, is the Lucia 3, which is currently selling for over $23.000 US.

I am sure there is a good reason that is going for that price too.

If I could afford it, I would purchase that in a heart beat.  

Quote from: Lionheart on May 03, 2013, 00:20:52
Frequent Flier, I'm kind of baffled how you create an opinion on the Laxman when you haven't ever used.

I did not create an opinion??? I raised questions based on reviews I read about the machine. I read reviews before I buy... there was no opinion...

I was also asking people who had used it, in my first post.. is it like I read or not, etc.

?

Okay guys, I am back, with news!

I basically bought a refurbished Laxman, Proteus, and Procyon for the price of what the Laxman costs at retail price. Good old ebay bargain hunting. All seem to work, too. So yeah, I got them all super cheap.  :-D

Here's what I have to say about mind machines: THEY ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL.

Laxman pros:

It has a full spectrum of colors, it lets you put whatever frequency (including base frequency) that you want, it is the best out of any machine that I've tried for getting the ganzfeld effect, it has the prettiest visuals, open/closed eye, you can adjust blinking/as well as brightness, and it is the brightest machine that I have. Sometimes, I like to completely turn off blinking and just stare into the colors. Imagine finding yourself in a virtual reality scene where you're in a room that's made up of only one color - it's neat, and quite relaxing! Things seem to be without depth, also. You just sore of stare off into a colorful void and it's actually quite relaxing.

Also, it has nice background music, and lets you choose the frequency you want, with/or without an mp3 of your choice. Also, these are BRIGHT. I'd say these goggles are brighter than the Procyon for sure, and brighter than the Proteus by far (although the Proteus is a good second choice if you're after brightness). The brighter the machine, it seems, the more complex the geometry and patterns become. And, the Laxman, out of all my three machines, is the brightest shining star of the lot. The Proteus is pretty bright, though, and it's cheap. It doesn't compare to the blazing brightness of the Laxman, though.

The Laxman seems to show me the flower of life, and other beautiful geometrical patterns, a lot.  :-)

Cons: Kind of bulky and sometimes hurts your eyes when you don't expect the light to get quite so intense.

Honestly, aside from that, I can't find many cons for this, so I'm going to go on to the next one.

Proteus pros:

It has two colors, which is nice. Red and green. Red is more stimulating, green is more relaxing. I see shades of blue, white, orange, and yellow sometimes. All in all, this machine is GREAT because it's brighter than the Procyon (its much more expensive successor). The Proteus has 8 total flashing LEDs (four on each eye), while the Procyon only has 6 (three on each eye). Anyways, another pro are the lightweight glasses. It's a very relaxing machine, indeed. There's no fancy background music like in the Laxman, and it has a lot of beeping-type binaural beats, but it's still relaxing on the mind.

Cons: Only two colors. Also, could be more diverse on the binaural beats/sounds, but it's not bad at all.

Procyon pros: Has three colors: RGB, which are BEAUTIFUL when joined in unison. It's a simply marvelous device. The blue really makes the device stand out from the Proteus. Lightweight sunglasses-type glasses, again. Typical binaural beats, with beeping, as with the Proteus and many other machines -- if you want binaural beats + serene ambient music, hook up your own music via CD player or seek the Laxman. The Laxman has built in tranquil and serene MP3s that you can mix and match with the binaural frequencies.

The Procyon is more like the Laxman than the Proteus is, in the sense that the three colors RGB, when patterned a certain way, create the rainbow, as they blend and mesh into each other. I saw reds, oranges, purples, greens, blues, whites, yellows, etc. you name it. This baby will flash the rainbow right in front of your eyes, much like the Laxman will, minus the bulky swimming-goggle feel. Plus, at less than half the cost of the Laxman (you can find it for $260 or so), this would be the light machine I'd go for if I couldn't afford the Laxman and it's customizable luxuries.

Cons:

It's not as bright as the Proteus, which is its one downfall. Brighter is better. Better visuals the brighter the machines are. If the Procyon were a bit brighter, it would be perfect. One could also say that if the Proteus had a blue channel, then it'd be perfect. Ah, guess you can't have it both ways.

If you want to buy the much cheaper Proteus (I see used ones going on ebay for $100-120 sometimes), just know that they come with red/green glasses, but you can buy the alternative red/blue glasses separately, online, sort of making it almost as brilliant as the Procyon, at half the cost.

Then, if you want to throw some blue into the lot, you can just switch out glasses. I'm thinking of ordering these RB glasses myself, because I'm interested in seeing the lovely shade of blue paired with the four LEDs of the Proteus.

All in all, no matter what machine you go for, it will be lovely, no matter what. In fact, I love all my machines, now. Picking a favorite or a least favorite is hard, because they're all like my babies, now :P. They all have advantages and disadvantages, and I feel like they're all amazing in their own unique ways.

So all in all, I have concluded that....

Go for the Laxman if you have cash, because there's no way you will be disappointed. Full spectrum of rainbow colors, customizable MP3 sessions, nice tones, you can set the brightness/blinking, you can adjust the binaural beats, mix and match the existing mp3s and sessions, etc. It's so beautiful, and bright, and everything I dreamed it would be.

If you want a pretty machine that gives a rainbow effect, for cheaper, go for the Procyon. The RGB combo does translate as a full spectrum rainbow, behind closed eyes.

If you want something super cheap, though, and brighter than the Procyon, and can live without the blue tone being added in, then the Proteus is great. If you have $50 to dish out for red/blue glasses, that would make it cooler.

I haven't tried the Micro Beat Mini, Sirius, Mindspa, or some of the others, but in case I do... I will keep you guys posted.  :-D

For me, it's not really a matter of which mind machine is the best. It's a matter of which one is gonna be next to add to my collection, because I'm now completely addicted to these beautiful devices.  :-P

Quote from: Fairywindblues on May 15, 2013, 23:40:31
Okay guys, I am back, with news!

I basically bought a refurbished Laxman, Proteus, and Procyon for the price of what the Laxman costs at retail price. Good old ebay bargain hunting. All seem to work, too. So yeah, I got them all super cheap.  :-D

Here's what I have to say about mind machines: THEY ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL.

Laxman pros:

It has a full spectrum of colors, it lets you put whatever frequency (including base frequency) that you want, it is the best out of any machine that I've tried for getting the ganzfeld effect, it has the prettiest visuals, open/closed eye, you can adjust blinking/as well as brightness, and it is the brightest machine that I have. Sometimes, I like to completely turn off blinking and just stare into the colors. Imagine finding yourself in a virtual reality scene where you're in a room that's made up of only one color - it's neat, and quite relaxing! Things seem to be without depth, also. You just sore of stare off into a colorful void and it's actually quite relaxing.

Also, it has nice background music, and lets you choose the frequency you want, with/or without an mp3 of your choice. Also, these are BRIGHT. I'd say these goggles are brighter than the Procyon for sure, and brighter than the Proteus by far (although the Proteus is a good second choice if you're after brightness). The brighter the machine, it seems, the more complex the geometry and patterns become. And, the Laxman, out of all my three machines, is the brightest shining star of the lot. The Proteus is pretty bright, though, and it's cheap. It doesn't compare to the blazing brightness of the Laxman, though.

The Laxman seems to show me the flower of life, and other beautiful geometrical patterns, a lot.  :-)

Cons: Kind of bulky and sometimes hurts your eyes when you don't expect the light to get quite so intense.

Honestly, aside from that, I can't find many cons for this, so I'm going to go on to the next one.

Proteus pros:

It has two colors, which is nice. Red and green. Red is more stimulating, green is more relaxing. I see shades of blue, white, orange, and yellow sometimes. All in all, this machine is GREAT because it's brighter than the Procyon (its much more expensive successor). The Proteus has 8 total flashing LEDs (four on each eye), while the Procyon only has 6 (three on each eye). Anyways, another pro are the lightweight glasses. It's a very relaxing machine, indeed. There's no fancy background music like in the Laxman, and it has a lot of beeping-type binaural beats, but it's still relaxing on the mind.

Cons: Only two colors. Also, could be more diverse on the binaural beats/sounds, but it's not bad at all.

Procyon pros: Has three colors: RGB, which are BEAUTIFUL when joined in unison. It's a simply marvelous device. The blue really makes the device stand out from the Proteus. Lightweight sunglasses-type glasses, again. Typical binaural beats, with beeping, as with the Proteus and many other machines -- if you want binaural beats + serene ambient music, hook up your own music via CD player or seek the Laxman. The Laxman has built in tranquil and serene MP3s that you can mix and match with the binaural frequencies.

The Procyon is more like the Laxman than the Proteus is, in the sense that the three colors RGB, when patterned a certain way, create the rainbow, as they blend and mesh into each other. I saw reds, oranges, purples, greens, blues, whites, yellows, etc. you name it. This baby will flash the rainbow right in front of your eyes, much like the Laxman will, minus the bulky swimming-goggle feel. Plus, at less than half the cost of the Laxman (you can find it for $260 or so), this would be the light machine I'd go for if I couldn't afford the Laxman and it's customizable luxuries.

Cons:

It's not as bright as the Proteus, which is its one downfall. Brighter is better. Better visuals the brighter the machines are. If the Procyon were a bit brighter, it would be perfect. One could also say that if the Proteus had a blue channel, then it'd be perfect. Ah, guess you can't have it both ways.

If you want to buy the much cheaper Proteus (I see used ones going on ebay for $100-120 sometimes), just know that they come with red/green glasses, but you can buy the alternative red/blue glasses separately, online, sort of making it almost as brilliant as the Procyon, at half the cost.

Then, if you want to throw some blue into the lot, you can just switch out glasses. I'm thinking of ordering these RB glasses myself, because I'm interested in seeing the lovely shade of blue paired with the four LEDs of the Proteus.

All in all, no matter what machine you go for, it will be lovely, no matter what. In fact, I love all my machines, now. Picking a favorite or a least favorite is hard, because they're all like my babies, now :P. They all have advantages and disadvantages, and I feel like they're all amazing in their own unique ways.

So all in all, I have concluded that....

Go for the Laxman if you have cash, because there's no way you will be disappointed. Full spectrum of rainbow colors, customizable MP3 sessions, nice tones, you can set the brightness/blinking, you can adjust the binaural beats, mix and match the existing mp3s and sessions, etc. It's so beautiful, and bright, and everything I dreamed it would be.

If you want a pretty machine that gives a rainbow effect, for cheaper, go for the Procyon. The RGB combo does translate as a full spectrum rainbow, behind closed eyes.

If you want something super cheap, though, and brighter than the Procyon, and can live without the blue tone being added in, then the Proteus is great. If you have $50 to dish out for red/blue glasses, that would make it cooler.

I haven't tried the Micro Beat Mini, Sirius, Mindspa, or some of the others, but in case I do... I will keep you guys posted.  :-D

For me, it's not really a matter of which mind machine is the best. It's a matter of which one is gonna be next to add to my collection, because I'm now completely addicted to these beautiful devices.  :-P

Nice review of the machines! Did you leave the brightness at the default level for the Laxman? I agree it's very bright. I turn my down. Maybe I'll make it brighter when I get more used to it. Also, I usually just lay the goggles on my face without fastening them. Makes it more comfortable.

Well, I adjust my brightness to whatever I want it to be at. I do like turning the brightness up, though, it makes it more visual and gives nice mandalas, for sure.

Last night, I fell asleep with a machine on and didn't even realize. I just put one on, for a nap, and next thing I know is, I'm waking up six hours later after having many vivid dreams all night.

Quote from: Fairywindblues on May 15, 2013, 23:40:31

Honestly, aside from that, I can't find many cons for this, so I'm going to go on to the next one.

Admit it! Customer service is crappy!  :lol: :lol:

Just kidding!  :wink:

Congrats on your purchase!  :-D

Okay, here's another thing or things I'll say about machines.

The binaural beat + light flickering action is actually quite relaxing on the brain. In fact, if any of you take sleeping aids, have insomnia, or are on anxiety or anti depression meds, this baby can honestly help with all. I have all these problems, and suffer from them daily. When I put on a light machine, it's like popping a happy pill.  :-D

The light + pulsing sounds really make your brain feel like it's getting a massage. If I have a headache, or any tension at all, it's like the light machines go into my brain, massage it, and I can literally feel all of this negativity, weight, tension, and.... invisible, heavy "gunk" just dissipate and float away. Oddly enough, my pineal gland area in particular starts feeling like it's stirring, and being poked and prodded, and influenced by something.

Also, the feeling of relaxation is much more potent than something off the shelves. Well, at least for me. It just feels like your whole body lets go of all tension, and you just slip into a void where nothing exists but your consciousness and this pulsing, and vibrating color, all around you, easing your mind into pure relaxation. I literally feel it pulling me like a magnet. The relaxation. My mouth will gape, I'll start to drool, my head will tilt to the side, and I'll start leaning over, when using one of these machines. I get so relaxed that I just go limp and surrender to the light!  :-P

I get a mixture of visual (possibly from DMT in the pineal gland triggered by light) hypnogogic-like visuals, where I'll see alien and far away landscapes, and all sorts of amazing stuff. Then, I'll get mandalas, and swirling patterns, etc. Sometimes, I get both at once! Mind visuals AND geometric patterns

On another note, I am glad that I got the Procyon refurbushed and for very cheap. The Procyon is a machine by Mindplace that usually runs for $270 and its only advantage to its much cheaper $180 counterpart the Proteus is that it has the addition of blue added to it, while Proteus only has red and green.

Well, the procyon has six total lights, while Proteus has eight. To me, this makes all the difference in the world, and I'd gladly sacrifice a color for extra brightness. When not in the mood for the Laxman, I find myself going for the Proteus quite often.

In fact, last night, I fell asleep with the Proteus on, and had many colorful dreams.

Quote from: Fairywindblues on May 18, 2013, 05:13:51
Okay, here's another thing or things I'll say about machines.

The binaural beat + light flickering action is actually quite relaxing on the brain.

I noticed that same effect with my more modest  :-P machine. The light, instead of being unnerving, seems to have a quieting effect.
The light with the sounds perhaps. Not sure the sounds have to be there. But still, it was restful instead of stimulating. Of course I used the "meditation" setting. They have settings to stimulate learning and performance and would likely wake you up more, etc... but flickering light and sound can actually be relaxing. Which makes sense since they've been using it for decades, for that purpose (and it works)  :p

I've had a while to test both the laxman and procyon. I still find myself wanting to use laxman the majority of the time since it gets me into a deeply relaxed state faster, the sessions seem more immersive, and the light show is better.

I have a flotation tank and when I don't have time to use it I've found that these light and sound machines are the next best thing. I just wish there was a way to use them inside the tank. I have underwater headphones and an underwater mp3 pouch that could fit the unit, but I doubt there is a good way to protect the goggles from the salt water.

I've concluded that:

Yeah, the Laxman is unbeatable, and provides the best experience if you're looking to lose yourself. Best visuals - lets you adjust blinking / brightness, as well as mix and match beats + colors + and mp3s, etc. The way the light bounces around in the goggles is also beautiful.

The Procyon is not as flashy, and the light show, while beautiful, is rather dull.

There were a few sessions in the Procyon that had a brighter light show than some of the other sessions, but still. The red + green + blue light show is a beautiful one, though, and I did get some visuals, but definitely nothing close to the mandalas produced by the Laxman.

The Laxman produces the craziest mandalas. The brighter the light, the more intense the mandala is. With the Laxman, you'll see the flower of life, sacred geometry, crazy kaleidoscopic mandalas, but with the Procyon it's like... not as ornate? But pretty. I underscore pretty. It's still a relaxing device.

The Proteus is brighter and gives more defined mandalas, and imagery. It seems that the brighter the machine settings, the more intense the experience... for me, anyways.

I really want to get the red/blue Proteus glasses, and a Thoughtstream (bio feedback device, can be used with Proteus - will make a light show based on your own body. )

 This is for people that are currently using a Light/Sound machine.

Experiment, Explore, have fun with it.

Don't just sit there and wait for the light/sound to do all the work.

I just completed a session on my Laxman. It was the "Deep Relax" program.

At first I let the lights and sound do it's thing for about 5 minutes, so I could lose my physical focus.

I was watching the lights in front of me, then I decided to separate them.

So, I used my Astral hands and separated them like a curtain.

That opened up to some kind of strange tunnel visual. I then kept doing this over and over again.

The more I did, the wider the tunnel was opening and I could finally peer into it.

What did I see? Try it and see what you do.

The machines sole purpose is to get you into a relaxed state. It does this by changing frequencies, Which lets you go deeper and deeper.

But you shouldn't just be melting in it. You should use this opportunity to explore.

See what you can see, try new things, mess around with the lights using your mind.

Be creative.

Then you will start to see how fun these machines can really be.

One again the more effort you put in, the bigger the reward will be.

Post here about some of the experiments you are doing or have done as well.

I'd love to try them too.

Thank You!   :-)

So i finally got round to putting the L#3 session on my laxman, And all i can say is WOW! :-o Well done Lion and Leaves, Thumbs up.

That for me is better than any of the sessions the laxman comes with.

Here's a brief description of my experience:

Position- Laying on bed with a few pillows propping me up.

Mind set- Exited, Interested.

The setup- Laxman L#3 session, No sound.

- The white light at first is so soothing and puts me in a place of pure bliss.

I lasted about 7 minuets or so before my eyes slowly crept shut, Watching the new images appearing and constructing on this now new reddish backdrop reflecting from the half of my shutting eye lids.

Already loosing touch with the physical i realised my eyes must be fully shut now, I started to delve deeper and deeper fading into this place becoming more and more apart of the scene with each second. Looking into the distance only to have a rainbow of colour appear in my field of vision and start warping around everything chasing its tail so playfully, Racing through underground like tunnels picking which hole to enter when it splits, Flying beneath kilometre long over hanging cliffs of colour, Strange machine like objects appearing soaring along cutting its way through whilst rainbows collide, Spinning and morphing vortexes pulling me in, It then slows and everything stops, I take control, I start to be the only one moving circling a vast mountain like range in the sky getting a full 360degree view. Suddenly BAM! The whole scene is flipped and changed, Im now somewhere completely new and fresh, Crisp, The lights must of changed.

"This is the most excitement when the light pattern changes", As your so wrapped up in everything thats going on you are apart of the scene.
So when it changes its like someone has just dropped a bucket of paint on your head. You literally just go OH MY ! WOW ! Your lost for words !

I was anyway, The first time (I'm presuming its the light pattern changing?) this happened and the scenes changed i just instantly appeared in outer space with the most amazing colours, I was looking at a galaxy, It was pretty still not much movement but was very alive, There was infinite space with a backdrop of twirling space dust and stars, A huge planet to the left just peacefully spinning with a magnificent ring around it like saturn.

Ill leave it there, But it continued the whole session like this with each light change an amazing new scene and they were so vivid every time it changed, Lots of other strange things going on also at one stage i was actually seeing a place with trees and houses from a low plane sort of view but it looked odd like it wasn't of earth. Somewhere else in the universe maybe ? Who knows but i cant wait to crank up L#3 again. :)

After effect- Cant stop smiling, Feeling of achievement, On cloud 9.

Cheers.

 You don't know how "enlightened" I was to here that, enlightnd.

To this day, the Laxman creates the fastest non physical focus I have found.

I can take people that have never APed consciously aware before and after a 20 minute session they are telling me how they were spiraling down a tunnel or vortex, seeing homes, flying in the mountains, scuba diving underwater.

The L#3 program leaves you deep in the theta state. If you haven't already blasted off during it, you likely will immediately after it.  :wink:

What a wonderful experience.  I am happy that it is working very well.

Thanks Astralsuzy :)

Quote from: Lionheart on July 15, 2013, 02:23:02
You don't know how "enlightened" I was to here that, enlightnd.

To this day, the Laxman creates the fastest non physical focus I have found.

Thanks Lion :) And yes its so quick isn't it! And so easy! :) Im happy as larry with my purchase,
Iv only used it about 10 times and IMO its already paid itself off, Especially after L#3.

Quote from: Lionheart on July 15, 2013, 02:23:02
The L#3 program leaves you deep in the theta state. If you haven't already blasted off during it, you likely will immediately after it.  :wink:

:lol: Funny you should mention, Just this morning i tried a little experiment around 3:00am, Awoke and started up L#3,
10-15 mins in i could here the jet engine starting and the bees nest was close, Immediately took off the goggles -

BLAST OFF!  :-D

Regards,

One Happy Customer.

 I took the straps off of my Goggles for quicker removal.

I find I can remove it without it interrupting my focus now.

Ah Hah! :wink: Good thinking ! Haha Love it. I think ill look at doing the same as it did interrupt the process for a second there.

wow!! I've been reading alot of these reviews on the laxman, thanks for the info!!,
I have always struggled  with NP focus, I can AP from dreams easy but unfortunately its not frequent enough,
I have a laxman on its way, hopefully within the next week it be here 
can't wait too use it :-D

 That's great news Sixx!  :-)

Be sure to write a review here for everyone as well.

It takes a while to adjust it to what is comfortable for you, but once you do, you will love it.

If you wish to try my L#3 program, just PM me and I will send it to you.

Also, start by using the Relax/Deep Relax and Vibrations programs. Those are the most gentle on beginners.

So is the Underwater. The others will be quite a bit more intense for a first timer.

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

yup will do thanks very much :-)

Well my laxman arrived yesterday, right on time for the weekend.
So i spent  most of Saturday messing around with the  brightness contrast etc,I had too turn
it down a little bit but the intensity wasn't too bad overall.

I did all the relaxation sessions, started off with the underwater session, it was nice, kind of feeling my
way opening my eyes closing eyes to see what I preferred, now definatley closed eyes.
country side session was similar,
the deep relaxation session was good although the audio got really irrating especally the monkey
that comes in every so often and goes OOh OOh Ahh Ahh..

I tried the vibrations session next,which i got alot out of,after the session had ended I was in a deep
F10 for about an hour or so , did it again later in the day and  I see what you mean lionheart, regarding losing
physical focus quickly,
I was in the light and I was trying to get over this wall, I realized this and I snaped back.
another time I was in  a bedroom about too open the curtains , then snaped back again.
i was trying to walk around the house , and other things that use my imagination
Also I noticed my dreams where really vivid almost lucid, early days yet though, I will try some of the
meditation sessions later on today,

Overall what a great tool/aid

forgot to add.
Is it supposed to come with an SD memory card?

 Excellent news, Sixx!  :-)

I'm glad it's working for you.

It's fun to just kind of ignore the lights and go exploring.

Sometimes I will reach my "etheric/astral hands" out in front of me and open the center of the lights, just like I'm opening a door. You find such unique things on the other side, lol!

Astral walking around the house if fun as well.

I let the light/sound take my physical focus away for about 5 minutes, sometimes it really fast, more like 2 minutes. Then I start experimenting.

I have never bought a memory card and I have a number of programs that I have written for mine.

I haven't needed one yet. Maybe I will after I purchase the new "Planets" program. It's one of the downloads that you have to buy separately.

yes i was looking at buying the planets download in a month or so,
lots to do before that though, heh, be interesting  to hear what its like though.

 I have owned my Laxman for a year and a half now and have never purchased a separate "Download" from the company yet.

The presets will keep you busy for a long time. It's best to log what you experience with each program, then you use the same one for a week or a month.

Some will work different for you. Then you can just try a light/binaural Beat program and see what effects that has.

   

I have been lurking this thread for a while, very interested in purchasing a Laxman unit, but unable due to budget, are there any cheaper equivalent of decent quality, or is the the Laxman, creme de le creme of light and sound machines? id really like to try this unit out if im honest, I am interested in the Proteus unit for a fraction of the cost, but is it equivalent in terms of the quality of the experience to the Laxman?.
edit: okay I read a nice review on the previous page, thankyou for the reviews!.  im leaning towards either the proteus or procyon at the moment, would prefer a laxman if my budget let me.

 Hello Manuel!  :-)

Craig at the link provided here is very knowledgeable in AVS units and all of the models that are currently out there.

You can find excellent reviews and comparisons there. He really does his Homework and you can see his passion through it!  :wink:

http://craigtavs.wordpress.com/some-thoughts-for-prospective-avs-users/

His entire website is loaded with all kinds of great info.

Hello!
i would like to adjust the white balance back as the laxman came in the original. could anyone tell me what to set in? or your own settings that u most like? can not find the original settings in the manual.

thank you!

 Hello Malvasia and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

From what I see, whenever you turn the Laxman off, it resets automatically.

Page 12 of the Manual explains that when you turn the Laxman off, the brightness/white balance returns back to it's normal setting.

I personally like to turn the brightness up one or two notches. It really depends on which Session I am using. Some are much more intense then others.

Quote from: Lionheart on August 11, 2013, 01:56:45
Hello Malvasia and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

From what I see, whenever you turn the Laxman off, it resets automatically.

Page 12 of the Manual explains that when you turn the Laxman off, the brightness/white balance returns back to it's normal setting.

I personally like to turn the brightness up one or two notches. It really depends on which Session I am using. Some are much more intense then others.

thanks for the reply! perhaps I was a bit fuzzy.
I mean in the device settings you can click the white balance and adjust the strength/power of each color red, green and blue. setting from 0 - 100% each color. these settings are retained even after turning off the device. so if someone/you could look what your laxman settings stand on for each color i would be extremely grateful.

Hi everyone!

After reading through this thread, I was convinced into buying a laxman. I now have had mine for about a week, and Im really enjoying it, although I havent had as much time to use it as I'd like to. I love how easy and fast one reaches deeper states of consciousness.

I can also add that I lent the device to my father for a quick test, he was intrigued by it, and loved the experience he had. He managed to relax easily and sleep very profoundly that night. Also, he somehow had the impression before sleeping that he was going to die, I told him it was rubbish and he should just get some sleep. This idea was so much into his head, that he was dreaming of his death,(he does not remember this) but I know because he began talking in his sleep, saying "help me! Im dying" over and over again, i was very shocked by this since my father has very light sleep, and merely tapping on his shoulder wakes him up, but he was so deep into his dream that I even lifted him up and he did not wake up, I was a little scared since this was not normal, but after a while he rolled over and continued sleeping.

I am positive there was no harm, and it was just his own impression of the experience that carrried over into his subconciousness, but I was very amazed at how just 1 use of the laxman sent my father so deep, I'm glad I bought this, and will continue experimenting.

Btw, lionheart, is there any chance you could share the session you made for the laxman for others here on the forum?

Thanx

This is one interesting thread, I haven't read a lot about those machines before but looks like this should help people with their first phase a lot :)
Lets say you want an OOBE how high is the successrate with the laxman's?

Haven't got my first phase yet so I guess this could help me with it.

Are the laxman's worth the money. From this point of view it for sure look like it .

Quote from: SweP on August 11, 2013, 16:19:08
Lets say you want an OOBE how high is the successrate with the laxman's?
Haven't got my first phase yet so I guess this could help me with it.
Are the laxman's worth the money. From this point of view it for sure look like it .

If you have read this entire thread, you already know my views on your questions. So, I shall remain mute on this one and let the some other people that use it, answer those questions for you!  :wink:

 Doomkain, make sure you ease yourself into the sessions. I would personally start with the relaxation/sleep/vibrations, then move to the more intense ones from there. Underwater is very good as well.
Just remember though, the Laxman does have warnings that say it's not for everyone. If you see anyone with adverse effects, stop the session immediately.

Some people can have Epileptic seizures or seizures in general without even knowing they have a mild form of Epilepsy.

I have had some time when I had to turn brightness down, because at the time, it was too intense for me and made me uncomfortable.

There is a possibility that the session you gave your Father, induced a LD or AP afterwards. Then when he became Lucid, his real fears let loose, like so many other people that have had their first conscious AP/OBE do. Many people have a fear of Death, so this is very common.

I also sent my session to you via email! Enjoy!  :-)

Quote from: Malvasia on August 11, 2013, 14:16:34
thanks for the reply! perhaps I was a bit fuzzy.
I mean in the device settings you can click the white balance and adjust the strength/power of each color red, green and blue. setting from 0 - 100% each color. these settings are retained even after turning off the device. so if someone/you could look what your laxman settings stand on for each color i would be extremely grateful.

My settings are at red 90.7 green 90.3 and blue 90.3. I am pretty sure that is the "default" too. If any one else can help us here,, it would be appreciated.

To find your setting, go to "Device Setting" and click on "White Balance".

I also just read in the Handbook, that to "reset" the system, you take the batteries out of it for about 15 seconds. This info is found on page 31, under Troubleshooting.
Thank You!  :-)

I have been enjoying my laxman,although I did have a major breakdown last week,
I transferred an mp3 file over to the device, checked that it was in there, 2 hours later I went to do a session ,
" no session file found" and mp3, no data at all,I emailed  neurotronics  the following day,
recieved a reply 4 days later  , saying not to reformat which I had to do anyways, and a link to download a zip folder with
all the files I loaded them on and its back working fine now so alls good.
But was thinking for abit that I might have to send it back.

i have been doing the meditation session for the last 2 weeks or so, and I find its quite  a powerful  session for removing chatter and
Physical focus, been seeing alot  of patterns, moving within the patterns,
also practicing visualizing simple objects, but a phase out I'm not sure how close I am to that, not really putting to much expectation there.
good  progress though.

 Hey Sixx, I'm glad you were able to fix that problem!  :-)

ALLOW yourself to become immersed in those patterns, moving within patterns. This is a great time to let your mind start to find hidden images. Once you find an image, focus on it. Then use your mind to alter it. You will see that because your physical focus, you have an amazing amount of control now.
Laying back and letting the Laxman relax you is great, but if you wish to use it as a "springboard" of sorts, you need to experiment and explore with it.

Make sure you keep a good Journal of what you are doing as well. You will soon see what works for you and what doesn't.

When I use my L#3 program, I wait till it is done to actually Phase. But while it is still going, I do little tests to see how far "under" I really am. Sometimes that leads to a successful AP right there and then!  :-)

WB
Malvasia Hello, I just checked the factory settings and mine is: RED Power (95.0%) Green Power (90.0%) Blue Power (100.0%).   :-)

Quote from: Javier on August 12, 2013, 14:11:19
WB
Malvasia Hello, I just checked the factory settings and mine is: RED Power (95.0%) Green Power (90.0%) Blue Power (100.0%).   :-)

Thanks Javier!  :-)

I will set mine back to this as well.

How's your progress going? Anything unique to add, experiments, explorations? I love hearing about what other people are doing with the unit?  :-)

Hi LionHeart. I've been disappeared long time, and good about Laxman I can say that is a great dispositvo with their pros and cons.
First I have resulatado very effective to reach levels of relaxation that I had not experienced before, to the point of feeling like I'm snoring being aware of the same, (that was the session "CreateTheta"). Since I started using I noticed a change that I can not define, is something of a lightweight, like something had been left behind, it is strange, perhaps due to the release of stress. I also been very useful to prepare before an exam or just to study. Land use sessions "Learning". Currently I'm following day the session "ALPHACLASSIC" as I read it is best to focus only on one during a period of approximately 21 days, which is the time needed to take hold of new neural connections in the brain.
Cons: On the hardware seem right, I noticed only small imperfections in the finishing of the unit, which in no case impair their performance. Now with regard to the hearing, initially used included those who came, but the volume was too high for me so replaced them each Thechnics brand helmets.
I have had problems accessing the internal memory of Laxman in windows 7 and in general, so I decided to buy an adapter for miniSD card, which is using the device and thus allowing me to add new sessions.
Overall I am very satisfied with the purchase of Laxman, as I mentioned earlier noticed changes in me, and mental clarity not previously perceived, a practical example and that surprised me is that when typing on the pc, did fluidly no errors, a situation that caught my attention. This has been my experience with the dispostivo, and I have faith that with time the results and changes will become more noticeable. I would like to share their experiences also notice improvements at the level of memory, concentration? ....

Lionheart
Thanx a lot for sending over the laxman session, Ill check it out and let you know the results.

I managed to have a 20 minute session yesterday with the countryside preset, here is my experience for any who want to know.

At first the brightness was a little too much, but I got used to it after a couple of minutes, then I started drifting off. I began wondering if one should look straight into the goggles center on, or if looking slightly down would be an issue, or maybe I was just overthinking the process. I used the laxman flat on a bed , with a small pillow, and once I was very relaxed my eyesight kind of went downward and I no longer was looking straight up into the goggles, noticing that I can clearly see the edges of the goggles in my field of view.

A few more moments pass, I realize that somehow I no longer perceive the goggle's edges, And the colors seem to go beyond a normal field of view, I feel surrounded by the flickering lights almost reaching behind me. Meanwhile I am hearing birds from the audio track. Now is when I become a little scared...

Ive been a videogamer all my life and besides that I work making games, so I am no stranger to light effects on a screen, but a strange phenomena usually happens when Ive been too long in a game. After playing and laying down to sleep, depending on how long I had played, my mind would go berzerk and I would see a lot of flickering shapes, usually small round objects or large round objects, they would come and go as they pleased and each time they would last only an instant , but in that instant I would be very shocked because of their movement/ presence/ and the lack of control I had over them, no matter what I tried to imagine in order to overlay it above these figures, they always had precedence over my imagination, so as a kid I was always terrified when this occurred, mostly because its erratic and you have no control, through out the years this happened less and less, it happens probably once a year now, and I still have no idea if this phenomenom has a name.

Back to the laxman, deep into yesterdays session, i began seeing a face pop in and out, fly over and below, it was an orange haired man. It wasnt there long enough for me to see any detail, but i attempted to not focus on it and see what else came up. Then after a while I felt another image / presence coming and going, it was some sort of feathered lizard, coming and going. The effects of these images are exactly like the childhood images which I had no control over, it made me very uncomfortable, but I kept with it. After a while these flashing shifting objects just became unbearable, I had to lift my arms and construct with my mind some sort of shield so as to not be so startled by the moving lights, it worked but only because I got out of my relaxing point.

This has only happened with the countryside sessions, the others havent had this effect, but I will continue testing. Does any one relate with some of these symptomps?

Any comments are gladly appreciated.

 Hello Doomkain, two things I took out of this. Other than the fact that you are progressing.

The first is yes, you are overthinking. Learn to go with the flow.

The second is that you get scared when you lose control, as most other people do.

To be successful with AP, you must learn to "Trust". Some of the famous Authors on AP, tell their readers that you must have an attitude that if I don't return so be it.

That is showing the ultimate "Trust" and confidence in what you are doing.

On the residual effect of shapes and things after gaming, I used to play the game of Tetris quite a bit and the moment I laid down to go to sleep, I closed my eyes and still saw I was playing it, lol. This actually has a name as well. It's known as the "Tetris Effect".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect

Hi folks,

I´m new to this forum, although I have been reading along for quite some while. :-)
Well, I couldn't resist and ended up purchasing a light & sound machine as well, whereas I purchased a Procyon at first ... and due to the very positive reports and comments on this forum a Laxman some while after that.
Honestly spoken, I have been a bit disappointed about the Laxman so far - especially in comparison to the Procyon, which for me provides much more vivid and intriguing colours and visual effects. Im must admit though, that I prefer to close my eyes when doing a session, as it is just being to exhausting for my eyes to keep them open all the time while they are being stimulated with light flashes - actually my eyes are really starting to hurt when I use the Laxman with eyes open ... and I also doubt that this is a healthy way to use a light & sound machine if one doesn´t want to cause damage to his eyes in the long run.
So the Procyon really gives me much more than the Laxman - and that for even less than half of the price! One big plus of the Laxman definitely is the built-in audio player, but on the other side I don´t mind connecting a small mp3 player to my Procyon in order to enjoy the light & sound experience in conjunction with music or other audio ... and if one can save US$330 for just relinquishing a built-in mp3 player, I think the Procyon is also defininitely being the better deal.
Anyway, I would like to give the Laxman another chance and wonder if Lionhearts L#3 program is really being so good that it makes it worth having purchased the Laxman. So Lionheart, I hope it is not being asked too much when I beg your kindness if you would share that session with me? I would really be interested into trying it out. :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on August 14, 2013, 17:23:59

To be successful with AP, you must learn to "Trust". Some of the famous Authors on AP, tell their readers that you must have an attitude that if I don't return so be it.

That is showing the ultimate "Trust" and confidence in what you are doing.

Robert Peterson said it best in regards to conquering any fear. He says that you have to consider the worst consequences and decide if you can live (or die) with that. If you can handle that, then continue.

Hi Doc Sky
I haven't tried the procyon so i can't say, but  I use the laxman  to get me into that deeply relaxed state much quicker,
also helps me quieten the chatter
and the rest is up to me from there,  i 'm experimenting atm  trying different things, seeing how deep i can go, visual exercises
I can hold music in my mind very easily ,much better than visualizing and having some  interesting results with it.

you can adjust the light so its not to bright untill you get used to it, same with the strobe.
and if you haven't heard from Lionheart yet I think hes away for a couple more weeks. :-)

I must admit to reading this from afar for awhile and wanting to comment as thanks for sparking an internal dialogue.  After reading this post, I have decided to purchase a Procyon AVS to help with my nonlocal adventures.  While no stranger to them, I have had a bit of a dry spell after becoming a father.  I'm looking for time management assistants and it sounds like this is just the sort of thing to speed the prerequisite mind awake body asleep state along.  One thing I have thought as I read and researched over the last couple weeks is how difficult it has been for psychonauts to actually transition into the non physical states while wearing these devices.  I read here from all of you that it works best to make a serious attempt after the session is done.  Graham Nichols talks about it with the Lucia, that there is a highly visual/optical interface that works well for remote viewing but maybe not so much for OBE, yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a34nJUlfpzQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a34nJUlfpzQ)

I've been getting excited about the possibilities of the Oculus Rift which looks like it could take stroboscopes in a whole new direction, including a game on Steam about lucid dreaming called Dream.  It looks wonderful and I will be on that like mad, but I think these will all just be training devices for what is a very complex process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln8iOaBdWjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln8iOaBdWjk)

As a kinesthetically oriented person, all of my nonphysical experiences have had essential tactile or atmospheric components.  Including very vibration centered senses and filaments of tactile communication fibers that stretch and interweave in dynamic ways with the environment and are also co-integrated into the other senses uniquely at different times.  I like it when visual input is added to my mindscapes and this is a secondary interest in buying a AVS device to train with.  It seems to me that a primarily visual oriented device may provide an interesting hypnotic, neuro-linguistic switching, suggestive state for training visual patterns, especially with someone such as myself, but that I would be beholden to the programmer of the track, the held frequency, or the visual sensory stimulus as guide for the duration.  Only after the session is done would I be able to "make it mine."  The benefits come from habituating to precursor skills which are needed before we let go of the physical for real.  Also, I seem to have a neurological response to vibrating photons/electrons radiating out of visual devices like TVs, computers, and smart phones that leave a unnatural like frequency stain that must be cleared before my body can fully fall asleep without tension.  Dreams I have after habituating to these signals have jerky, hesitant, and rushed scenarios.  It is like being gripped by an outside force or manipulated by photons with their own intent.  Maybe it is the content of most visual media or maybe it is rushing electrons vibrating across a magnetic pulsing field.  It will be interesting to see what the AVS device signals are like.

In essence, the problem of artificially generated nonphysical states is like that of trying to have an OBE, remote viewing, or lucid dream while simultaneously verbalizing the event to someone in the real world.  The connection to a physical source of data takes a great deal of focus away from the personalized nonlocal world to the point of becoming almost incompatible.  Right now all these devices are trying to resonantly establish a corresponding simulation in what is, it seems, an internally generated conscious processing that takes place superior (or anterior depending on your point of reference) to the sphere of the physical data input.  The observer consciousness, if you will.  Either this internally generated consciousness is a complex soup of neurology and brain chemistry, holographic quantum reduction, intention phasing, or all of the above and then some.  Incorporating all of these elements is beyond what a device we currently have can do yet the signal generated by the device seems to take president and almost prevent a nonlocal shift from happening.  Maybe because the physical is a default adaptation mechanism because concreteness and corporeality is our habituation.  It seems like it would be hard to design a program tailored in one media to all of the adventurers' proclivities for an on demand virtual session.  You would need a choose your own adventure program times a thousand or infinity.  Although virtual technology is dazzling and I never have enough time to enjoy all of it, there is a interactivity and emotional quality to my OBEs that would be extremely difficult to replicate or simulate I think.  Even the pre courser stages have this quality.  Lucidity is more than just simple cognitive awareness, it is a living thing in its own right and it grows and evolves.  Even simple frequency programs and guided meditations like the Gateway program are better left behind at some point to truly stretch out and fly the cosmos so that their signal does not limit.  Still, I am super curious to find out what they can do, and will have a hard time waiting for my Procyon to find out.

In researching the Lucia, I came upon this helpful article on the pineal gland and what the author calls METAtonin, which is the synergistic complex of secretions centered around endogenous DMT in the brain and body.

http://www.clearlightfoundation.com/research-articles.html (http://www.clearlightfoundation.com/research-articles.html)
 
I would like to share something that has worked greatly for me in achieving pre courser states which allow for traditional OBE techniques, such as discussed here, to be utilized easier.  It is somewhat related to the above link on the pineal gland and trying to manipulate brain chemistry, however without a device.  I came upon it after reading Jurgen Ziewe's book Multidimensional Man.  In it he talks about coming upon OBE quite unexpectedly during the course of his personal spiritual training program.  Although he doesn't give his personal set of practices away, he did link to the books which helped him develop it.  I started using the methods at this site that he linked to in the back of the book:  http://www.aypsite.org/index.html (http://www.aypsite.org/index.html)  I use the spinal pranayama and AYAM mantra meditation ("I am" - but really any focal point will do, silence is the end focus) detailed there along with Qigong and Zhan Zhuang (standing post meditation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoeoP8qqdC0&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoeoP8qqdC0&feature=player_embedded)) that I learned elsewhere in the mornings before work.  As I'm somewhat of an agnostic type, I try to keep it simple and focus just on the core exercises stripped of any religious context.  After about 3 months of daily practice, I started to get a luminous (albeit faint) glow in the pineal/forehead area at times, which then later led into trance phenomena and the beginnings of the vibrational state while sitting upright in half lotus.  Other powerful experiences followed including spacial and time pulsing, emotional regulation, and the best; the infinity and grandeur of pure silence.  The connection with the pineal seems almost like a prerequisite to better non-conditional lucidity.  I think training the spinal area to relax while stimulating the pelvic floor and upper spinal/brain with mild intention plus adding the calm abiding and mental absorption of traditional meditation afterwords provides a powerful jump point for nonlocal awareness.  It is like an organic key to the endogenous DMT experience.  Maybe adding mind/neuron training with AVS can make for a more powerful combination in the direction of OBE.  I can sometimes "see the other side" close by in my morning meditations, but don't go on because I have to leave for work afterwords and don't want to risk flying off in some wonderland and being late.  Usually at night I'm too dog tired to attempt OBE, and even in the middle of the night I fear losing quality sleep and then having to slog through work and being with the family.  Maybe AVS will allow me to decompress quickly without mentally falling asleep early in the night or getting mired in the insomnia syndrome in the middle of the night.  If I find anything useful, I'll come back and share.  Anyways, thanks for having this discussion and good luck to you all.

Hey Doc Sky
Glad to hear you had the chance to purchase both the Laxman and the Procyon. If you are having issues with the brightness on the Laxman with eye open sessions, just turn down the brightness. I also noticed that the lights bothered me more and it was harder to keep my eyes open (mostly depending on the climate region). In the beach it was easier and actually comfortable to keep eyes open all the time with the laxman, but in the mountains it is too dry to keep your eyes open, and it becomes hurtful.
Quick question, I just read on the MindPlace support forums that the Laxman goggles are actually compatible with the Procyon.
Can you confirm this, and if so, let us know if the results are any better!

Dear Sixx and Doomkain,

thanks for your both replies to my post and for your hints in regard of setting the light intensity and the contrast of the Laxman. Of course I have tried these things and played around with these settings. It sure made the open eye use of the Laxman easier to bear ... but on the other hand it also led to the fact that the light stimulation became more boring and less appealing. In comparison to the eyes closed use of the Procyon with full brightness (which is very well bearable) the visuals of the Laxman are by far not as vivid and sophisticated when the brightness or the contrast is being set to a bearable level for open eye use.

By the way: I cannot confirm that the Laxman goggle is being compatible with the Procyon. The Laxman has a rectangle connector and jack for the goggle, whereas the Procyon has a round connector and jack (like the headset connector/jack on the iPhone). So These things don´t match with each other.

 Hello Doc and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

I apologize for the late reply. I was out of town for a couple of weeks, as Sixx stated.

I just wanted to say, I have owned my Laxman over a year and half and have NEVER used it with "open eyes". So, I don't really know what you are experiencing Doc. But, I am happy to see your review of both units Doc.

I do adjust the brightness for different programs myself as well. But now I know exactly what I prefer for each one. So, it has become automatic.

On Craig's website he talks about the fact that the Laxman Goggles can be used on the Procyon, but the Procyon Glasses can not be used on the Laxman. Craig does some great unbiased reviews on all of the AVS units currently on the market.

Hope it's okay if I chip in, as I'm interested in buying one of these. I don't know how much postage will be all the way to England, but if it's high I might end up saving my money for another fortnight unless I get something cheaper. My first question is, what would you say is closest to the LaxMan that's slightly cheaper? As someone said last year on this thread, the price is scary. Also, I've never been able to phase or go into the trance I want besides waking up in the morning and a rare number of times listening to Isochronic Tones. Will I find this easy to phase with? Because really that's all I'm interested in at the moment, phasing and lucid dreaming. Also, would I have to create a custom session for an LD/OBE or is will the Theta one do?

Dear Lionheart,

thanks for your reply. :-)
I do know the Blog of Craig T. and did read myself all through it. When you cautiously read his reviews, it becomes obvious that Craig definitely favours the Procyon as the device of his first choice as well. His reviews on both the Laxman as well as on the Procyon are meanwhile a few years old and therefore not up to date any more. As far as I have learned from the MindPlace Website, the Procyon is currently available in the 3rd revision - means there have been two older revisions before. As mentioned on the MindPlace forum, the revisions 1 and 2 of the Procyon did have a rectangular lightframe jack which was identical with the lightframe jack of the Laxman: http://www.mindplacesupport.com/forum/showthread.php?931-Procyon-with-Laxman-goggles
So I assume that Craig T.s comment about the Laxman goggle being compatible with the Procyon is based on the fact that he probably owns a Revision 1 or 2 Procyon console. I on the other hand own a new revision 3 Procyon console, which has a completely different lightframe jack and therefore cannot be interconnected with the Laxman goggles. The only possibility to do so would be to modify the plug of the Laxman goggle - means cut of the rectangle plug and resolder a round plug that fits to the Procyon ... but then of course you can´t connect the Laxman goggle to the Laxman any more. So therefore I do rather not mess around with these things. ;-)

By the way, Lionheart - would you mind sharing your L#3 session for the Laxman with me ... I would at least want to give it a try with your session again, which received so many positive comments on this forum. ;-)

 I sent it to you Doc via email on Tuesday September the 3rd. Check your email!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on September 06, 2013, 14:51:03
I sent it to you Doc via email on Tuesday September the 3rd. Check your email!  :-)

My post was directed at you as-well. :(

Quote from: Jdeadevil on September 04, 2013, 22:01:40
Hope it's okay if I chip in, as I'm interested in buying one of these. I don't know how much postage will be all the way to England, but if it's high I might end up saving my money for another fortnight unless I get something cheaper. My first question is, what would you say is closest to the LaxMan that's slightly cheaper? As someone said last year on this thread, the price is scary. Also, I've never been able to phase or go into the trance I want besides waking up in the morning and a rare number of times listening to Isochronic Tones. Will I find this easy to phase with? Because really that's all I'm interested in at the moment, phasing and lucid dreaming. Also, would I have to create a custom session for an LD/OBE or is will the Theta one do?

There are cheaper units on the market. You will need to do some searching of AVS (Audio-Video Stimulators) units to find one that you like. Craig's website talks about all the different units on the market today.

It works for me. I use it to get into a deep non physical focus.

It comes with sessions already that cover all of the different states, Alpha, Beta, Delta and Theta. But, you can create your own sessions as well.

You can find some free AVS programs online to see if this would work for you, before you buy a unit yourself. There are a few of them here in this thread that we have already talked about.

Dear Lionheart,

thanks for sending your L#3 session for the Laxman. I found the email in my spam crunch, therefore I didn´t recognize your email right away.
Your session does in deed put me in a very deep Theat state. I do find the goggle of the Laxman annoying though, as it is very heavy and uncomfortable to wear. As far as it is to me, the Procyon goggle is much more convenient and less annoying to wear. Therefore I have re-written your L#3 session for the Procyon, although it took me quite some time to "translate" the Laxman parameters and according values into the right Parameters and values for the Procyon. But finally it works exactly the same as your original Laxman session ... just for the Procyon instead with a more comfortable and less clumpsy eyeset. Oh, by the way: I did also add a deep tone audio stimulation with binaural beats ... but if you don´t like it, just leave the headphones off.

For anyone who is interested to use the L#3 session for the Procypn, please find it attached to this post. You will need to re-name the file name from  L#3.txt  into  L#3.PRw  though, as this forum does not allow to upload other file types than  txt, doc, pdf, jpg, gif, mpg or png.

Enjoy! :-)

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 I'm glad you like it Doc!  :-)

Since you find the Laxman goggles bulky and uncomfortable, try taking the strap completely off, thus negating the "stranglehold" they have on your face.

I lie down, drape the goggles overtop of my eyes, then turn the session on. Once it is done, without thinking or struggling against removing them with a strap, I simply just take the unstrapped goggle off my eyes and continue my Phase.

I take the minor inconvenience, just like I do when I get a itch during a session. I calmly remove the itch/goggles and carry on!  :wink:

Dear Lionheart,

thanks for your hint. Well, when lying down on a bed, taking the strap of the Laxman goggle off does of course increase the wearing comfort of the Laxman goggle. Personally I prefer to do my sessions in a half lying/sitting position (in my comfortable relaxing chair, which I fold back to a 35° angle), as completely lying down likely puts me to sleep too easily. :-)
This does not happen so much likely when I sit in a slightly upward position, though ... but in this case the Laxman goggle does fall off from my face to easily if I do not fix it with the strap. Therefore the Procyon goggle is more usable and convenient for my purposes ... and with the Procyon-converted L#3 session of yours, I can now comfortably use this with my Procyon as well. :-)

This is a message to Doc Sky. I resent their interventions on Laxman, if to look like they came just to make a counter-advertising in this thread, which certainly speaks of the device. I know I'm just another user in this forum, however, I can not avoid irritated by constant attacks and disadvantages versus Procyon says he personally investigated this device but I was not attracted by the cheapness of its construction and design of the year 80 ', no offense. I end this comment inviting Doc Sky to reemplantee available regarding Laxman, and that their comments are constructive and not vice versa, otherwise there should be a forum for the Procyon which is where according guess will be better received.

PS: Laxman, is the best device I've used to date.  8-)

Dear Javier,

well, I guess everybody holds his own opinion. I definitely do not intend to "counter-advertise" the Procyon against the Laxman in this thread. I do own both devices and tt is simply my personal opinion when I state, that I prefer the Procyon more than the Laxman. For me it is simply more comfortable to use and I also find the Procyon more versatile than the Laxman. The Laxman sure does attract at first glimpse because of its stainless steel case, the built-in mp3-player and the extraordinary goggle ... but after having used the Laxman for a while, I actually do not really pull much benefit out of these things. As said before, I find the laxman goggle too bulky and inconvenient to wear ... and as I ended up using it with closed eyes anyway, the open eye concept did not really provide any benefit to me. The stainless steel case Looks great at first glimpse ... but it is very bad workmanship. Just a thin metal Shell where the buttons get stuck in if you push them to firmly. So below the line, it is only the built-in mp3-player that provides a true comfort.
Anyway, I found that I can do EVERYTHING with the Procyon as well, what the Laxman is capable to do - the only little disadvantage of the Procyon in comparison to the Laxman is that I need to connect an external mp3-player to it, but therefore the Procyon offers much more sophiticated features, visual effects and technical possibilities than the Laxman does, while I find the technical concept of the Laxman to be rather primitive in comparison to the Procyon. Sure, the design of the Procyon is somehow old-fashioned, but honestly spoken I definitely prefer to use a machine with an old-fashioned design but therefore with many modern and innovative technical features ... rather than a device with an attractive facade but with a primitive technical concept. Beside of that I simply dont find the Laxman to be comfortable to use due to the bulky and heavy goggle.

So my conclusion from the comparison of these two devices results in my opinion, that the Laxman is simply too expensive for what it has to offer, while the Procyon is generally capable of doing the same things for less than half of the costs ... and it is also more comfortable to use.

As already said, this is no "counter-advertisement" for the Procyon but simply my personal experience-based opinion. Although the title of this thread may be "Laxman Light and Sound Machine" there have been reviews and comparisons about other light and sound machines in previous posts from other users on this forum as well ... so maybe the title of this thread should possibly better be renamed into "Light and Sound Machines" in general?

 I finally had a chance to try out the Procyon today and there is a HUGE difference. I now understand what Javier was saying. The intensity, the depth, the overall programming is much different than on the Laxman. It is indeed a lesser model to the Laxman. But, it should be for the difference in price. Just like the Lucia #3 should be a ENORMOUS improvement over the Laxman.
Even the Laxman goggles are way better than the Procyon's. The Laxman's may be more bulky, but they are also way more intense in the patterns and colors.

I couldn't say anything in the past, because I had never tried the Procyon before . Now that I have, I know the difference first hand!  :wink:

I'm thinking of buying this Laxman thing. I have the money to do so. Just hesitant to pull the trigger.

My whole thing is.. okay, if I do like.. Hemi-sync catnapper.. or something along those lines.. during the day, I'll, 7 times out of 10, end up in this perfect sleepy-awake state of mind where I can project. However, most of the time its such an intense experience lol.. There'll be like this pressured ringing in my ear, my body will stiffen up and go completely numb - no physical output - and if I go along with it, I'll feel as if I'm shooting up very fast. My writing can't really convey how intense the experience is. Sometimes I go with it but I'll feel like I'm rising up for so long I start questioning where I'm going and it's such an unknown to me (and since it takes so long for something to happen) I'll just abort.

Therefore, I'd rather just phase. When I try to phase though all I see is this gray swirly cloudy stuff behind my eyes. Frank Kepple called it stray energy. Lets say for instance that this is a light focus 12. He said he saw it too but for him it would then turn into colored swirls (lets say that's a deep focus 12 or whatever) and from there the process would take off. For me the gray swirls eventually just go away and I feel like I'm back at focus 10 or C1. So basically I feel like I need to go deeper. I don't know why I can't..

So, I feel like the Laxman would help me out with this.. I feel like just by seeing the colored lights in the goggles will help me get to the next step to the colored swirls.. probably without me even noticing it happened with the goggles on.. what do you think?

 I was waiting for someone else to answer this, so I didn't have to all the time. I am not a spokesman for the company, lol!  :lol:

If you wish to attain a non physical focus. The Laxman will definitely help you with that goal. Many times you will find you don't even need to attempt to Phase at all. Just put the goggles on, lie back and enjoy the show. The colors and Mandelas do a good enough job themselves of "suggesting" environments.

I personally like to do my L#3 program, which goes for 30 minutes, remove the goggles, then Phase. You will find you are already in a very relaxed state, so turning inward becomes that much easier!

Read through this entire thread, do the research beforehand. If you have the money, it is a great investment and for not only you, but others around you as well!  :wink:

I have owned mine for going on 2 years now and enjoy it every time I use it. My friends do as well!  :-)

I still haven't purchased a memory card either and have written about 10 different programs in Laxedit. So, that extra expense is unnecessary IMO.

Thank you for the reply Lionheart. I was kind of indirectly gearing my question towards you anyways. I ended up buying the laxman like an hour after I made that post. Worst case scenario, I feel like the laxman will bring some kind of fun and excitement to the beginning process of phasing, which can be so boring sometimes :-P

It should get here sometime during the week.. I'll be sure to post back with a review once I get to use it.

By the way, do you think you can send me that L#3 program? Thanks

Thanks to Lionheart for posting this awesome thread  :-D.  I found this thread and purchase the Laxman a few months ago.  I have to say, this machine is definitely worth every dollar spent. Here is my routine:

sleep for 4 hours in bed, wake up go to lazy boy and recline with Laxman goggle on.  I do not use any sound.  I find it more relaxing and drift away much easier.  The fun usually starts after the session is over.  I lay very still and comfortable with the goggle on even after the session is over.  I find it necessary for me to not move and take off the goggle because once the session starts, I get taken away.  The goggle also help with blocking out light from windows in the morning.  

 The images and patterns from the goggle carries on after the session is over.  It would take usually about 5-15 minutes from there for a strong vibration to kick in.  The vibration is so strong it cannot not be ignore.  Phasing is not possible for me yet with the goggle.  Exiting during vibration is what works for now.  Sometimes a pair of hands gently guide me out of the lazy boy as well.  My last three sessions, I went 3/3 OBE. Yay

Quote from: spirited away on November 30, 2013, 14:13:55
Thanks to Lionheart for posting this awesome thread  :-D.  I found this thread and purchase the Laxman a few months ago.  I have to say, this machine is definitely worth each dollar spent. Here is my routine:

sleep for 4 hours in bed, wake up go to lazy boy and recline with Laxman google on.  I do not use any sound.  I find it more relaxing and drift away much easier.  The fun usually starts after the session is over.  I lay very still and comfortable with the google on even after the session is over.  I find it necessary for me to not move and take off the google because once the session starts, I get taken away.  The google also help with blocking out light from windows in the morning. 

  The images and patterns from the goggle carries on even after when the session is over.  It would take usually about 5-15 minutes from there for a strong vibration to kick in.  The vibration is so strong it cannot not be ignore.  Phasing is not possible for me yet with the goggle.  Exiting during vibration is what works for now.  Sometimes a pair of hands gently guide me out of the lazy boy as well.  My last three sessions, I went 3/3 OBE. Yay

Your Welcome!  :-)

It makes my day to hear that the Laxman has helped someone. I love it and use it often.

3 out 3, can't get better than 100% success rate!  :wink:

Here's to a long "streak"!  :-)

 I was just over at mylaxman.com. MJ (my better half), has been prodding me for Christmas gift ideas, so I figured I would look at some of their new Session downloads. I have never tried any of them in the past. I have wanted to, but didn't want to have to get a separate Memory Card, which I think I would need to download some of their bigger Sessions.

It looks like are listening to their many Users. They now have Sessions like Trance and even have a complete "Album", dedicated to Altered States of Mind. It looks like I just might have to get that Memory Card after all.  You can find them here.  http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions:::5:2.html
The Trance and Altered states are on page 2. I didn't know they had this many Sessions. I think they need to keep in touch with their Users more.

I have read that the proper Memory Card is a hard one to find.  :-(

If any of you already have one of these Sessions, I would love to hear your review(s) of it, before I make my final purchase.

Thank You!  :-)

Just wanted to stop by and mention that I just purchase the Laxman after reading this post!

Actually, I think there is some kind of synchronicity involved here, just the other day I was asking my higher-self or guide, whoever would listen haha, that I have already achieved an OBE to some degree and wanted help to smooth out the process a little.  Well I accidentally clicked on this topic and was reading through it and realized I was reading the wrong topic, but it caught my eye after going through a few posts. 

I suppose this is the help I was looking for!

Thanks Lion and Leaves!

 Your Welcome Machine!  :-)

I hope you will also write a brief review of what you think of it and how you are using it.

Maybe I could add some helpful tips as well!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on December 01, 2013, 12:45:56
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I have read that the proper Memory Card is a hard one to find.  :-(

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Do you know what kind of memory card it needs?  I would try places like newegg.com or tigerdirect.com, they are sites dedicated to everything electronics and I have found they have everything ever created that uses a circuit-board.

Unless this is a proprietary memory slot, then the only other place we might be able to buy one is from the makers of the Laxman.

Hello
The laxman a card type that is hard to find, are called Mini SD Card. Here you can find a list of alternatives, but only to Mini SD adapter using a micro SD card. There are only mini sd, but are much more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=mini+sd+card&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Quote from: Machine1k on December 04, 2013, 08:10:10
Do you know what kind of memory card it needs?  I would try places like newegg.com or tigerdirect.com, they are sites dedicated to everything electronics and I have found they have everything ever created that uses a circuit-board.

Unless this is a proprietary memory slot, then the only other place we might be able to buy one is from the makers of the Laxman.

All I know is they call it a "Mini SD card". I went to the Radio Shack in my mall yesterday and they said I could find them on ebay or amazon. He said it's not a size that stores usually carry.

But, you don't have to have one. I have about 8 sessions that I wrote and rewrite often and have never used a Memory Card yet. I just figured that that Altered States of Mind "album" download might just put me over the limit. It looks like it is done made with a number of single 20 minute sessions. On that website they also give you the option of downloading individual sessions from that Album. I might do that. I want to try their Trance Session as well, to compare it with mine and see if I can get some ideas for creating some other good Sessions with the Lax-edit.

The only thing I don't like about Lax-edit is you can't preview the current session you are creating. You have to make the whole thing, upload it to the Laxman, then you can see/hear it. This means it takes quite a process to come up with a good one. I got lucky on L#3. I made that on my second try, thanks to some valuable info from Leaves that is!  :-D

Speaking of Leaves. Hello my friend. I hope all is well with you and yours and that you are still visiting the Forum. I would love to hear about your current projects. Last time we heard from you, you had just purchased a Float Tank and were trying to use a Light Machine with it. You also had a beautiful new child come into your life, that I am sure is consuming most of your time now!

Ok, I'm back and ready to report after two full days with the Laxman. 

Firstly, this thing is awesome at really really really relaxing your body!  I've not fallen asleep with the device yet, but I definitely feel like I want to after a 20 minutes of the "Lovely [dream]" session; which is weird because you are bombarded with flashing lights (Lights = keeps me awake as a day sleeper).

At first I got nothing special out of anything, but I suppose that has to do with ones expectations of the device, mainly mine as I had no real idea what to really expect even after ready everyone's experiences with the device.  After three full sessions I started to feel the deep relaxation state, something I strive to achieve while meditating.  This seems to take out the meditation and sort of meditates for you.  Which is great, for me, because some days I'm in the zone and other days, I can't even concentrate enough to keep my eyes closed.  Seems to be using this device keeps you in the zone just by using it.

It's only been two days and I have a lot more exploration yet to do, so I have not yet had any OBEs or the like yet.  However, on my last three sessions, I have hit the vibrational state each time!  That in itself is amazing, prior to this I would only hit them once or twice a week.  No OBEs yet, but it would seem to be around the corner based on my mile-stones so far.  As far as seeing images, I've had two so far, vivid ones too.  On my first day after a few sessions I saw smurfs, hundreds of them!  Don't ask my why I saw smurfs but it's what showed up  :|  The second day on my latest session, I saw a blond haired lady for a few seconds.  Oh I do see a lot of seeds and trees of life images though, not sure if that is part of what we are supposed to see by design or not, but I get those images a lot as a background.

I have some questions for those experienced with the Laxman.  Do you guys run more then one session at a sitting?  Like, do you run a relaxation session and then a meditation session or do you just stick with one session and go on?  Like for me I was thinking about using the meditation session and then starting up LionHeart's L3 session, but I wasn't sure that is even needed and just the one session itself is enough.  Also, would running a meditation session over an over for a few hours be of any benefit, like a super meditative state of mind?

There is still lot more to explore and I am satisfied with the purchase!  I am really only a novice in this field and have really only obtained two states of OBEs, one accidentally and one intentional.  That being said, this device will not make you OBE, nor did I think it would, I was only hoping to be able to hit the relaxation point needed to springboard to the next step; looks like this will do that for you without too much effort.

Tanks LionHeart for bringing this to my attention, although my wife isn't too happy with you right now haha!  :lol:

 Machine, have you tried my L#3 session yet?

You shouldn't need to do another session after that. That one should put you in a Deep Theta state, ready to launch!  :wink:

I found a 60 minute session to be "overkill". I wrote my Laxman session in 60, 45 and 30 intervals and definitely liked the 30 minute one best. Most of Neurotronic's sessions go for 20-30 minutes as well. Except for Vibrations. That one is "interesting" as well.

Try Underwater and Deep Relax too. Those sessions have some beautiful scenery to be found.

Have your wife try it. I love having people that don't attempt to AP try it. When I question them later I find out that they did indeed have a brief "shift" of their own.

Machine that is great.   What you described you can ap.   You just have to do it and it will happen.   That machine sounds exciting.   I wonder how it works.   You open your eyes and observe and when you feel you are very relaxed you know you are close to ap.  You close your eyes and try to ap.  I suppose that is what you do.   I do not know.  Is it hard to use?   Do you just press a button and you get the water scene or is it more complicated?   Just curious.

Quote from: Astralsuzy on December 07, 2013, 16:59:30
Machine that is great.   What you described you can ap.   You just have to do it and it will happen.   That machine sounds exciting.   I wonder how it works.   You open your eyes and observe and when you feel you are very relaxed you know you are close to ap.  You close your eyes and try to ap.  I suppose that is what you do.   I do not know.  Is it hard to use?   Do you just press a button and you get the water scene or is it more complicated?   Just curious.

Suzy, you keep your eyes closed and you see the lights and patterns right through your eyelids. It is very bright, but you have a setting to calm down that brightness as well.

You do have an option with the Laxman to do a eyes open session, but I have never did one before. Eyes closed is good enough for me!  :wink:

A Session like Underwater would have a lot of cool blue tones, like teal, aqua and light blue in it, just like the color of an ocean. You don't see a ocean picture, but the sound of the water tickling and splashing combined with the soft blue colors gives a "mental image/suggestion" of an ocean scene. Many times when I use that Session I feel like I am Snorkeling or Scuba Diving.

Thanks Lionheart.   It sounds great.   If you feel like you are snorkeling or scuba diving when you are using the session, you could spiritually be there doing it.

I enjoy the under water session usually one I do in the day time, try and time things  with the audio'
the highlands session  is another favorite , imagine   myself walking  through a track in the forest .at my F27 home

I'm having alot of success with the L#3 session, I find it best for me on the most intense brightness ,
i've had some brief phases the longest was about 10 sec where i felt I was merging with these different objects , hard to explain
but I think my physical eyes  are snapping me back. not used to it perhaps. :-D

Quote from: Sixx on December 08, 2013, 03:18:47
I'm having alot of success with the L#3 session, I find it best for me on the most intense brightness ,
i've had some brief phases the longest was about 10 sec where i felt I was merging with these different objects , hard to explain
but I think my physical eyes  are snapping me back. not used to it perhaps. :-D

It sounds like your mind is in "take a peek mode". There's nothing wrong with that. This practice is a fascinating thing, we just need to leave the rational part of our mind behind. That's what makes us come back so quickly. That and a unknown sense of fear that we all need to confront. Kind of a fight or flight thing.

This can be overwhelming or should I say is overwhelming for most people. You are experiencing something extraordinary totally consciously aware, that you have been told shouldn't or isn't happening. But you are living proof that is!  :wink:


We are taught all our lives that the physical is all there is. Now you see that that isn't true. Once again showing you, change your mindset, you change your reality!  :-)

thanks Lionheart
I remember the first times a got the vibrations, it was so unknown to me that it freaked me  out, but as it
happened more often i got used to it  now when I get them its  "anh ok here we go" but this always happens in  sleep
never  from a conscious state.

whats a  good practice for leaving the rational part of the mind behind?

Quote from: Sixx on December 08, 2013, 14:48:59
thanks Lionheart
I remember the first times a got the vibrations, it was so unknown to me that it freaked me  out, but as it
happened more often i got used to it  now when I get them its  "anh ok here we go" but this always happens in  sleep
never  from a conscious state.

whats a  good practice for leaving the rational part of the mind behind?

Two quick answers here. Stop saying/thinking "and ok here we go". I found that for some reason this immediately halts the experience. At least that's what it does for me.

You experience it now and rationalize it later. Just passively observe it now and question it afterwards!  :wink: Example: You are doing a Session and all of a sudden a kite shows up. Watch it, get engrossed in the image and scene, but don't yet question why you are seeing it or if what you are seeing is just your eyes playing tricks on you or some other thing. Enjoy it now, recall and question if later.

A good up to date Journal helps you figure out later "what is and what isn't"!  :-)

yup  thanks, observer mind .

So this morning around 5.30am I decided to do an L#3 session I felt some strong energy sensations half way through.
when the session ended , I started my visual exercises ,
1st at the back door, through the kitchen and rest of house, I repeated this once  more,
I felt a surge of energy and buzzing sounds getting louder not to far into the start of the exercise.
the vibrations came and went  a number of times,
I let go, shut my big mouth, and  just observed ,
now my plan was , when the vibrations  subsided  i would imagine myself at my back door, the  starter area for my exercise.
but it didn't work,
So I ended up just rolling out which was a totally spontaneous thing, went out the door of my bedroom into the living room walked through the wall onto the front lawn then flew round the side, came through another wall back into the living room.
then I saw my cat walking in, I think she saw me too, not sure if she was out or not.
i didn't want to stay out to long as I remember someone saying ,stay out a few minutes then dive back in,make a strong memory think it was Robert Bruce,
Anyways that was my 1st RTZ experience, pretty cool, very  very  happy :-D

Quote from: Sixx on December 09, 2013, 18:50:15
Anyways that was my 1st RTZ experience, pretty cool, very  very  happy :-D

Congratulations Sixx!  :-) I am happy for you as well.

You are learning how to utilize this helpful "tool"!  :wink:

Here's to many more successes!  :-)

The last 3 days (during the evening) I went through the whole thread. I can´t stop reading... My laxman arrived yesterday (I´m from Germany, so there were only 2 days between order and get) and I did my first sessions (Underwater, Deep Relaxation, Countryside). Awesome!!! The brightness of the goggles, the color, the sound.....  16 years ago I purchased my first mind machine. The laxman is totally different!

Lion, is it possible to get the L#3? I´m so excited testing it after all what I read here.

Jan

Quote from: JanL. on December 20, 2013, 14:57:54
Lion, is it possible to get the L#3? I´m so excited testing it after all what I read here.

First off, Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

The Laxman really is a unique little device.

I shall send a copy of my L#3 Session to you via email right away!  :-)

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hi everyone, I'm new here.
I've found this page while I was looking up information about the Laxman my darling boyfriend bought for us. He purchased it in order to experience AP/OBE and encouraged me to try it out.

I have to apologize for my English skills in advance. English is not my first language.

A little background:
In my late teen years I used to read books on the Silva method(it's called Silva Ultra Mind Systems today) which included AP/OBE and I experienced it, I used to do it regularly as a teenager. Fast forward a few years, and my grown up life began and I forgot about it all. In my thirties all of a sudden I began to experience a spontaneous third eye opening, which made me quite scared, because I felt that I wasn't ready for it. Luckily I got help from a spiritual healer who helped me to temporarily close my third eye and help me block it all out until I'm ready to see again.

This is why I'm a person who tried the Laxman out simply to meditate, not to experience AP/OBE. I wasn't expecting anything else.

My first impression:
I find the look of the Laxman very nice, I like the silver color housing, it's very mirror like. So far I find it easy to use, the user's manual is clear. The googles are comfortable, it stays firmly in place, there is no room for error. They are blocking the outside world out completely. I'm happy for that. Although for the very same reason it leaves the imprint of the googles behind on my face -even if I don't pull the strap to tight-, so I have to make sure I have approx. 30 min/1 hour before I meet anyone, otherwise I look ridiculous. That's the only negative point I encountered so far. I do have very long eye lashes which are sometimes in the picture in the first minute, but after that they don't interfere any longer. I use it sometimes with eyes open and other times with eyes closed.
I find that if I use it with eyes open, the colors are so much more vivid, so much more interesting. Sometimes my eyes close on their own. I'm not forcing them to stay one way or another, I'm just going with the flow.

Now onto my experience with the Laxman:


My first session was beautiful, I did the program called the Beach. It was beautiful, I almost immediately felt lifted out of my body feeling levitating completely weightless. I was very much enjoying all the sound and colors. I wasn't attempting to go anywhere, I was just trying to find out what this machine can do for me, I didn't knew what to expect.

The next session I did was the Lovely. Like it's name said it was truly lovely. The colors, the images I saw, the sound were truly amazing. I again felt within a minute lifted out of my body, weightless, felt like flying above the clouds, saw some weird landscape which is indescribable, with strange surfaces. Really weird, but still very beautiful.

The next one was Activate. By that time I began to see more and more incredible things. Countless mandala's, I even felt being inside some of them. I saw a lot of flower of life shapes and many other known and unknown shapes, wonderful landscapes. I was all passive throughout all this. Just using a Laxman to help with my meditation. I think I was blocked by the fear that I'm might again experience and see more than I can bare. I just let Laxman and my soul take me to wherever it takes me, I had no goal in particular.

After that, I did the program called Vibrate. This was really intense for me. By this time I was used to the instant feeling of leaving my body behind and seeing a glimpse of myself on the bed, then going into the unknown. After seeing myself on the bed from far above, the next second I was sitting on the roof relaxing, gazing into the stars. Next thing I knew I was between the endless number of stars and planets. I just knew, they are all around me. Every time I heard a sound like some airplane engine starting up, it was like a clue. When I heard that sound I found myself at some different place every single time. (I believe that airplane engine sound is in the audio recording.)
First I was floating between the stars, then I was in a place where everything was white: white flowers, white trees, white everything. I saw a white "sphere" (I have no idea how to describe it otherwise) "standing" under a white arch and I was "told" this is a soul. Then I heard that engine buzz again and snap I found myself in an indescribably wonderful space and I had an overwhelming feeling of suddenly everything makes sense. Then snap again, and I moved to another place. At last I found myself standing on a road which seemed to go on very far. I didn't  get the feeling of wanting to walk on it yet. I looked onto my right and to my greatest shock I saw my grandmother sitting on a couch. (She died in '99) I was standing behind her, little to her left, looking over her shoulder. She was knitting. (I never saw her do that while she was alive, but my mother confirmed that she did enjoy knitting while my mother was still a girl) As I was just standing there watching, she never looked at me, but somehow -without talking to me- she made me look at a paper in front of her with some text on it. Unfortunately by that time I was wrestling with serious shock. I never ever thought of meeting my grandmother while using the Laxman. I was telling myself that this is OK, but the shock was so overwhelming that I suddenly fell back into my body and wasn't able to go back to read the text. I could go back to see the mandalas, but that was it.

My next meditation was: Perform.
This time I was less relaxed when I began, but also in this state I was lifted out very quickly , traveling through vortexes, without being somewhere particular and being everywhere at the same time. I wanted to go back to read the paper placed on the table in front of my grandmother, but I couldn't find the way.  I did find the road where I was standing before I saw my grandmother, but in place of her I saw a door, where I wasn't ready to go through yet for some curious reason. I have to note here that when I began this meditation, I made a silly decision to leave the cats in the room with me, because they were sleeping. This was a mistake, because one of them decided to try to get my attention several times while meditating, and that made me come back several times.

I wrote this review to share my first experiences with the Laxman and I hope this will help others who are thinking about purchasing one. It's a great tool to make it easier to meditate and to get into the state of mind where it's easier to experience AP/OBE.
I'm very happy my boyfriend bought it.

One more thing. I also find that this preprogrammed sessions are lifting me out of my body quiet easily and fast, but clearly it also gently pulls me back when the sessions are going to end. I have a feeling every single time (with the sessions I did so far) that I'm carefully grounded before the sound and light stops. Anybody else feels this way?

I am glad it is working for you.    It sounds exciting.    I would love to be able to try one and see what it is like.  I know I am not able to do that. I am happy for you.

Quote from: Lionheart on December 20, 2013, 15:02:37
First off, Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

The Laxman really is a unique little device.

I shall send a copy of my L#3 Session to you via email right away!  :-)

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hi Lionheart, could you share your L#3 session with me too? It sounds very interesting.

Quote from: Astralsuzy on December 22, 2013, 15:10:06
I am glad it is working for you.    It sounds exciting.    I would love to be able to try one and see what it is like.  I know I am not able to do that. I am happy for you.

Thanks Astralsuzy. I hope one day you too will be able to try it out.

I have to agree with everyone who said it before me, that although it is a great tool, it's not a miracle machine. But for sure it can speed up the process. My boyfriend never had an AP before, and he is still waiting for it to happen. I'm sure he will be able to do it too, but on his side it requires more patience and training. It will help him to get there faster than without it, that I'm sure of.
It's working so well for me, because the whole concept of AP wasn't new to me.

Quote from: Indigowings on December 22, 2013, 15:13:15
Hi Lionheart, could you share your L#3 session with me too? It sounds very interesting.

Definitely, I shall send it to you right away!  :-)

Thank You for sharing!  :-)

That was a fantastic review. You managed to explain the unexplainable very well!  :wink:

The Laxman preprogrammed sessions purposely bring you between states of frequency, but they always return you back to Beta at the end of the session.

You can read in your manual (page 17) how some Sessions target the Theta and Delta states and can be very deep.

http://www.neurotronics.eu/fileadmin/downloads/manual_english/Handbook_Laxman.pdf

My Session does not return you to a awakened (Beta) state. It leaves you deep in the Theta bordering on the Delta, so you may use it as a Launch Pad.

On Christmas day I am going to buy the downloads for Trance and Altered State, via their new downloads. http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions:::5:2.html

I am extremely curious to see how deep these will bring me.

This one sounds like it will be interesting. You can hear the free sound sample here.  http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions/Shamanic-Ritual::34.html

Quote from: Lionheart on December 23, 2013, 01:36:05
Definitely, I shall send it to you right away!  :-)

Thank You for sharing!  :-)

That was a fantastic review. You managed to explain the unexplainable very well!  :wink:

The Laxman preprogrammed sessions purposely bring you between states of frequency, but they always return you back to Beta at the end of the session.

You can read in your manual (page 17) how some Sessions target the Theta and Delta states and can be very deep.

http://www.neurotronics.eu/fileadmin/downloads/manual_english/Handbook_Laxman.pdf

My Session does not return you to a awakened (Beta) state. It leaves you deep in the Theta bordering on the Delta, so you may use it as a Launch Pad.

On Christmas day I am going to buy the downloads for Trance and Altered State, via their new downloads. http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions:::5:2.html

I am extremely curious to see how deep these will bring me.

This one sounds like it will be interesting. You can hear the free sound sample here.  http://www.neurotronics.eu/shop/Sessions/Shamanic-Ritual::34.html

Thanks for the program Lionheart, I can't wait to try it out. I go to vacation on the 28th and there I will have time and privacy enough to do it. From today on our life is getting to busy until then. I'm feeling very excited about it.
Many thanks for the extra tips too.  :-)

Well said,

I was thinking about this device when I was away, as curious as I am to try the latest  light and sound machine
I'm gunna put it on hold for abit

think instead I'll get a water distiller and some vegetarian cook books
and hopefully next year is the year  I  will  put my training wheels away :-)

Hi everyone, I hope you all had a wonderful holiday season! Happy New Year to all of you!

I'm back from our vacation and just as I planned I was able to try Lionheart's L#3 program on the Laxman.
It is amazing, thanks again Lionheart for making it available to me.

I did the session several times and I found it incredible! Pretty much instantly I was flying away to explore different spaces. The very first thing I saw was a door very narrow and I remember thinking: no way will I be able to go through it, nobody could". But the next second I was already on the other side of it. It was amazing. I experienced so many incredible things while doing it, if I tried to describe it all, the forum would need to get a new server...  :-D
I do need to put some music under the program, because the outside noises have pulled my focus back to my body several times. I will download the laxedit program and do it one of this days. I do not have noise canceling headphones yet, but my whole life I have a special relationship with music, so I think music will work much better for me than silence would.

I had many strange experiences, things I've found new and unusual. Not in a bad way, I hasten to add.
I experienced something I would call dual and even triple awareness.
As I was doing the OBE, at the same time I could feel my physical body and be in my and feel my astral/etheric body too. It was strange, but good at the same time.
At one given time while I asked for healing, I could feel my physical body laying on the bed, could feel my astral body levitating above a table where the healing was taking place and I was also watching the healing process being done to me looking at it from the outside, feeling all three positions together at the same time. That was very special.

Unfortunately I'm not yet truly able to execute special tasks on my own while using the Laxman. I mean, I ask before I start that for example I want to go to a place where I can get healing, and I'm then able to get there, but I'm still not able to do anything specific from there. I wasn't yet able to see my guides, even if I can feel they are there. I can't do specifics like Lionheart was describing with the basketball for example. It's all still happening to me in place of me making things happen. I guess it will get better with practice over time...

Lionheart, I saw you had bought a new AVS machine, it sounds very interesting. Maybe in a few months we will buy that too. I'm also very curious about it. I've read your experiment with it and can't wait to hear more. Looking forward to your boarder review after you have tried it long enough.

We are now buying one Laxman for my sister too. She and my mother tried it this Christmas and both of them found it amazing too. They both had OBE with it already respectively after the second and the third times. I do have to insert that both of them, like me, have done the Silva method two decades ago. My mother actively meditates already a very long time, but my sister did not. Now my sister is looking forward to receive her New Year's present to explore the Laxman further.  Neurotronics has truly made something very special...

Hi,

though I'm neither using the Laxman- nor the Kasina L&SM, I have some experience with MMs. I have a Proteus and designed a few sessions for it. You can get some quite nice effects from them; they also help quieting the "monkey mind" and keeping you from falling asleep and thus balancing on the border of consciousness and getting some hypnagogic images.
However; I recently wondered about their efficiency regarding AP and LD. AFAIU for AP/LD/OBE one needs to switch to the "minds eye vision". But instead of providing visual sensory deprivation, all MMs are heavily using the physical visual sense; actually overloading it to create all sorts of psychedelic visual effects. So in my understanding physical visual stimulation should be contradictory since it keeps you from tuning into the minds eye. Also; binaural beats might help or not (since noone knows the "right" frequencies). Looking at e.g. the gateway series from monroe himself, it looks more as if his sessions were mainly based on hypnosis (not that this lessens his achivments in any way). Though he was using binaural beats, the actual cause of his success seemed to be the hypnosis and not the BBs.

So MMs are definitely nice tools, but can one really induce a full blown AP/LD/OBE with them ? As far as I'm concerned, I never was able to.

I have been following this thread on and off for the last year or so, decided to go with the Laxman instead of the Procyon, though getting the funds for it is another story, a question regarding visuals, some people on this thread state that they end up on a beach, a question, just how does this feel to you? what do you really experience? how intense is the experience? I mean do you imagine your self on a beach? or are you full blown on a beach as in being there? and secondly, a few people seem to mention having obes with the laxman, do you still experience the laxman whilst out of body? or are you completely phased out?

Thank you.

Tahir,
I think your point has some validity. But also besides being able to assist one in entering a hypnotic or meditative state, mind machines offer the benefit of repeated state experimentation as well as 'suggestive imagery'. That is stimulating the visual centers to evoke 'after-images' to build upon.

LionHeart's session is particularly well designed for this purpose. It progressively lessens the contrast of the flicker over the session until at the 'working' part of the session you are being presented a field of mostly solid color, ie a Ganzfeld. (google that for research on the topic) Thus now you have a very suitable projection screen.

Also, in session design there would be no reason why you couldn't have the lights dim or turn off entirely during the 'work' segments.

Let's be clear here though.. it is not the mind machine that is doing the work for you. It is just a tool and you have to acquire the other necessary skills. Though as an assistive aid, especially at beginning/intermediate stages or during 'dry' periods, such a machine can be a potent ally.

Best regards,
Scott

I would love to have one of these but the price is so high, I can't afford $600. And the prices for these sort of things dont ever seem to come down much. The Nova Dreamer has been around for so many years but it is still about the same price that it has always been :/

Interesting discussion.

Manuel, I've found your question very interesting. Thanks for making me think about the experience.
When I use the Laxman, unlike Lionheart who is expert in doing things purposefully, I suddenly find myself at places during a session. I'm many times aware of my physical body laying where I do my session and at the same time I'm completely aware of the other scene I'm at too. Can even feel a breeze and the warmth of the sun if applies or can feel little chill depending on the scene I'm in, never uncomfortable, though. Other times I'm completely aware only of the new environment I find myself in.
I'm not visualizing being there, I'm there. It feels very real.

Now that you made me think about it, the moment I'm lifted out, I have no awareness of the light show in the googles. I do hear the music or binaurals from afar. They help me build my scene I think. To me the sound also helps in getting away from the noises of the physical world. Maybe some noise canceling headphones could do the same. All in all it feels like I'm leaving the Laxman behind too.

Now that we've tested it, I would also like to to testify to the fastness and friendliness of the customer service at neurotronics.
Unfortunately our googles had a problem, so we e-mailed www.meditationsuk.com (http://www.meditationsuk.com), where we originally bought our Laxman from (their customer service is also fast and friendly) who directed us to www.neurotronics.eu (http://www.neurotronics.eu) the makers of the machines. We explained what the problem was and after mailing them a copy of our invoice, they promptly said they are sending a new one ASAP, no further questions asked. All went very smooth, we are very happy. I was not aware of the long warranty. Although our machine is very new, they would have done the same as long as our machine wasn't older than 2 years.

Quote from: Indigowings on January 15, 2014, 12:39:00
Interesting discussion.

Manuel, I've found your question very interesting. Thanks for making me think about the experience.
When I use the Laxman, unlike Lionheart who is expert in doing things purposefully, I suddenly find myself at places during a session. I'm many times aware of my physical body laying where I do my session and at the same time I'm completely aware of the other scene I'm at too. Can even feel a breeze and the warmth of the sun if applies or can feel little chill depending on the scene I'm in, never uncomfortable, though. Other times I'm completely aware only of the new environment I find myself in.
I'm not visualizing being there, I'm there. It feels very real.

Now that you made me think about it, the moment I'm lifted out, I have no awareness of the light show in the googles. I do hear the music or binaurals from afar. They help me build my scene I think. To me the sound also helps in getting away from the noises of the physical world. Maybe some noise canceling headphones could do the same. All in all it feels like I'm leaving the Laxman behind too.

Now that we've tested it, I would also like to to testify to the fastness and friendliness of the customer service at neurotronics.
Unfortunately our googles had a problem, so we e-mailed www.meditationsuk.com (http://www.meditationsuk.com), where we originally bought our Laxman from (their customer service is also fast and friendly) who directed us to www.neurotronics.eu (http://www.neurotronics.eu) the makers of the machines. We explained what the problem was and after mailing them a copy of our invoice, they promptly said they are sending a new one ASAP, no further questions asked. All went very smooth, we are very happy. I was not aware of the long warranty. Although our machine is very new, they would have done the same as long as our machine wasn't older than 2 years.

Indigo, those ideas like "parting the screen like a curtain, etc." come to me spontaneously, through pure impulse. The same with the Basketball. It's just there, then I toss it. I don't really think long about the action. It's just like when you move your hand, you don't really think a long time about that action before you do it, it becomes a impulsive action. The same comes when I experiment with the lights, take for example, "I am enjoying the lights and wonder what happens if I unplug them. It's not that I have visualized an actual plug in, it's that I know it's there, thus I have the option to unplug it." This impulsive action has come through quite a bit of practice and I am definitely not an "expert" in anything.

I can't tune the lights out yet, so I have to use what they have to offer. If you can, you have great control of your focus. As I said in my last post, I am going to turn my brightness down. My last session left me with 2 days spasms in my optical nerve, so I am going to go much easier the next time. Possibly a toned down brightness will help me to be able to totally tune out the lights period. That would be cool.  8-)

I'm glad Neurotronics has rectified your problem promptly. Good friendly customer service is becoming harder to find these days, especially electronics. We had our TV repaired about 5 months ago. It took over a month to get it back. 

Thanks Lionheart and Indigowings, that clarified matters for me, looking forward to finally being able to purchase the Laxman though.

Quote from: Lionheart on January 15, 2014, 17:30:58
Indigo, those ideas like "parting the screen like a curtain, etc." come to me spontaneously, through pure impulse. The same with the Basketball. It's just there, then I toss it. I don't really think long about the action. It's just like when you move your hand, you don't really think a long time about that action before you do it, it becomes a impulsive action. The same comes when I experiment with the lights, take for example, "I am enjoying the lights and wonder what happens if I unplug them. It's not that I have visualized an actual plug in, it's that I know it's there, thus I have the option to unplug it." This impulsive action has come through quite a bit of practice and I am definitely not an "expert" in anything.

I can't tune the lights out yet, so I have to use what they have to offer. If you can, you have great control of your focus. As I said in my last post, I am going to turn my brightness down. My last session left me with 2 days spasms in my optical nerve, so I am going to go much easier the next time. Possibly a toned down brightness will help me to be able to totally tune out the lights period. That would be cool.  8-)

I'm glad Neurotronics has rectified your problem promptly. Good friendly customer service is becoming harder to find these days, especially electronics. We had our TV repaired about 5 months ago. It took over a month to get it back. 

Lion, it looks like I can spontaneously leave the lights behind and you can spontaneously play during a session. Now we both have to develop and practice each other's skills. I will be very happy if I learn what you can do.  8-)
As I was thinking about this further, I have to add that I forget about the light show most of the time -like 80% of the cases-, not every time. Sometimes I do have an off day, when I'm not able to switch that far. Also, if I fall back into my body for some reason, then I see it again until I'm able to exit again.
I'm sorry for your eyes, hopefully they are back to normal already. Do you use the Kasina with open eyes then?


Manuel, I can't wait to hear your experience with the Laxman.  8-)

Quote from: Indigowings on January 16, 2014, 16:33:00
I'm sorry for your eyes, hopefully they are back to normal already. Do you use the Kasina with open eyes then?

No, the Kasina is a closed eye unit, I don't even use the Laxman eyes open. But that day I messed up my left eye, I took a muscle relaxer + a Percocet because of intense pain in my shoulder/back. I read afterwards that doing that can magnify my sensitivity to light. I never knew that before. I still am experiencing the muscle spasms, but they are toning down.

I haven't attempted any sessions via the Kasina or the Laxman since. I can feel the temple spasms even when I just close my eyes to go to go to sleep now. I won't go back to my AVS units until this problem is well passed.

I have had this in the past though. When I first learning to AP, I used my physical eyes, instead of my "inner eye". That caused a lot of eye strain. It took a while until I learned to just relax my physical eyes and turn inward. I think this is where many people find their problems with AP in general though.

The last time it occurred it took a couple of weeks before things returned to normal. I'm in no rush though.  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on January 13, 2014, 17:45:41
A AVS unit is only a tool. I use it solely to achieve a NP focus. You are correct that it consumes your physical eyes, but not necessarily your mind. You can be viewing the lights, but also see a completely different scene, via thought =action right through them. Other times you can experience a dual awareness.

You are right with this. I see it as a tool only too, but mainly experienced dual awareness only. But instead of discussing brands, why not going into the (boring ;)) technical details ?

I designed four sessions which differ only in length but use the same approach. I start out with harsh sounds modulated at higher frequencies and programmed a constantly falling modulation, using the same modulation frequency for the LEDs and as binaural beats. The deeper it goes, the more the lights are dimmed and the softer the sound gets, until I reach the deep part of the session where the lights are turned off and only a smooth sine sound with ~4Hz binaural beats is present. Unfortunately the Proteus has only 16 steps for the light modulation, so there is no smooth fade out of the light towards the deep part. Interestingly, although the LEDs are only red/green I can see all colors (even turquoise and yellow) during the induction and wakeup parts. I can see all kinds of abstract imagery in psychedelic colors, even a kind of a tunnelflight, but this is more like watching it on a big 2D-screen and no 3D experience. It's all visual, meaning it's caused by the overloaded visual system. Sometimes I'm getting flashes of dual awareness, but somehow I don't get deep enough to get to F10 by this.

What I am wondering is whether

• the actual binaural beat frequency (or multiple of then) is making a difference or not
• the frequency of the carrier wave is making a difference (well, of course, 500Hz is annoying and 1000Hz even more so, but does it make a difference if I use 200Hz or 220Hz ?)

Hey Everybody, Hey Lion, long time no talk.

Things have been busy over here ever since I bought my floating tank. I realized that my Laxman has been sitting on the shelf for quite some time now only because I am always in the floating tank. Since the Laxman was such a good tool for me to learn projection, and now its just sitting there, I thought Id see if anyone here is interested in taking it off my hands for a good/fair price? Since we are probably not allowed to solicit deals through the AP, which I completely respect, then anyone who's interested can just let me know and then I can post it on ebay or something like that where the transaction can take place between a neutral medium where nobody can get screwed or anything like that.

Other than that hope all's well with everyone....esp you Lion. I miss our conversations! But such is life :-)

Cheers.

I am curious, what is this floating tank?   What does it do for you?   How long do you spend in the floating tank?

Alright, I finally got the Laxman!, alright sweet, ill post up some experiences when I get around to it tonight, cheers.

Alright, first experiences, firstly the finish and quality of the Laxman unit is high quality finished metal, the buttons have a satisfying click feel to them, and the LCD display is easy to navigate and use, the goggles resemble swimming goggles, though the thin wire leaves me feeling that it may be to thin and prone to breaking if misused, any owner of in ear buds will understand, so handling the cable with care and making sure not to crimp or snag it on any thing to ensure it lasts.

Okay, like every ones first experiences, I found the flashing light to be very dazzling to the point of making my eyes water, I turned down the light intensity, and also turned down the flashing intensity, which helped, the goggles fit snug, how ever in my case it was very uncomfortable near the bridge of my nose to the point it distracted from the experience, tissue paper stuffed in the bridge area helped elevate this problem some what, although I think DIY soft foam inserts into the goggles to soften the goggles onto my face will help greatly.

I used underwater and deep relaxation, I have to admit, I spent a large portion of my time waiting for some thing to happen, and the anticipation of it was distracting, I was hoping id come into some some psychedelic encounter with a dolphin, where I strap on to its back and it takes me to hyperspace to the planet ooomtar, this didn't happen, nor meeting deceased relatives or meeting people and being under water etc.

I found the my self adjusting the level, volume and flashing to get it right, and adjusting the goggles to feel comfortable, I thought at one point that all was lost, it dawned on me that I started to find my self fighting to keep my eyes open, a deep wave of relaxation came over me several times through out the experiences, mind you I had drank a mug of coffee earlier on and its the afternoon, I did feel my self getting deeper and deeper, and at times too felt my body start "disappearing" mild at most, how ever, given its my first few uses, and I have a few comfort bugs to take off, I can see with farther use I can go deep very quickly, ill keep you guys updated.

 Be very careful with the Laxman goggles, Manuel. Try not to flex/bend them if you can. They are very sensitive.

I took the straps completely off of mine. That way I never had that heavy pressure on my face.

I just drape them over my eyes and when I am finished a session, I can easily remove them with no loss of focus at all.

Thanks for the tip, its rather strange that the Laxman unit is made to be very strong and resilient, yet the goggles are sensitive, how strange.

Did my second attempt at deep relaxation sessions sans straps, made a big difference in comfort, I place a light towel over the goggles to seal out any ambient light that may enter because of the lack of straps, within 10 mins that same deep relaxation came over, towards the end I started seeing hypnogocic imagery, in this case, it was me pulling out a bottle of pepsi out of a coca cola fridge, I dont know why, lol, as the session came to end, I decided to call it day, it will be interesting to see where this all leads.
Edit had one more session underwater one, WOW, towards the end I clicked out momentarily and found my on the cusp of approacing mind awake body asleep! okay now we are talking!

I've got a Laxman and another light and sound machine called an InnerPulse DeLuxe.
I've found them both very helpful for all sorts of psychic work, including, of course, astral projection.
Manuel – are you keeping your eyes open when you use your Laxman ? If so, I think most people would find that uncomfortable on their eyes. I know they say you can keep your eyes open, but I always have mine closed and I find that really effective.
Also, a big misunderstanding with light and sound machines is that they are more effective if you have the lights set bright. This isn't correct and the important thing is to have the lights at the level that's comfortable for your eyes without straining.
I've tried a Kasina and, like Lionheart, I've returned it. I got the feeling that it's more of an 'entertainment' machines and  been designed by people who are really interested in music and wanted a light show to accompany the audios.
The InnerPulse DeLuxe is actually my favourite light and sound machine for trance work, it's got some great deep-meditation sessions built into it.
By the way, I live in the UK and like Indigowings, I bought my machines from www.meditationsuk.com (http://www.meditationsuk.com/psychic/astral-projection.htm) . Also like Indigowings I found them helpful and friendly, and they seem to know what they're talking about.
Just going back to the Laxman, I've always found the goggles to be really comfortable. I guess we're all different. I don't think much of the supplied ear-phones though and use my own over-the-ears headphones (actually I use the headphones that came with the InnerPulse DeLuxe, they're brilliant).

Phaedrus, I keep my eyes open, I keep the light down to a comfortable level and have a minimal of flicker, but after 10 or so minutes I feel an overwhelming urge to close my eyes as I become deeply relaxed, doing this seems to let me go deeper.

Quote from: manuel on February 07, 2014, 07:05:29
Phaedrus, I keep my eyes open, I keep the light down to a comfortable level and have a minimal of flicker, but after 10 or so minutes I feel an overwhelming urge to close my eyes as I become deeply relaxed, doing this seems to let me go deeper.

OK. Thanks Manuel. It sounds like you've found the best way of using the Laxman that works for you.

The next time I use my Laxman,I will try keeping my eyes open and see how it works for me.

It's always good to hear of other people's experiences. Thank you for sharing.

 Hmm, I still haven't tried an "open eye" session, even after owning my Laxman for a couple of years now.

I did find out the hard way recently about what happens when the lights are too bright!  :-(

Phaedrus, thanks for the tips. Have you tried any of the new "Trance" session downloads from Neurotronics.eu yet?

Now that I returned the Kasina, I think I will purchase a couple of new Sessions for my Laxman.

Quote from: Lionheart on February 07, 2014, 17:36:05

Phaedrus, thanks for the tips. Have you tried any of the new "Trance" session downloads from Neurotronics.eu yet?

No, I haven't Lionheart. In fact I didn't even know they had extra sessions.

I've just checked their website and some of them look tempting, though they seem a little expensive.

Please let me know if you try any of them and what you think of them

I do honestly think it is unfair to have a MindPlace and Kasina discussion on this Laxman forum. It just seems hostile and I don't mean it that way really. Neutronics has a good product.

Starting another thread would probably be best.

Quote from: neuroasis on February 10, 2014, 11:40:32
I do honestly think it is unfair to have a MindPlace and Kasina discussion on this Laxman forum. It just seems hostile and I don't mean it that way really. Neutronics has a good product.

Starting another thread would probably be best.

That's a very fair assessment.
I'll do so now.

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Now for everyone...
I want to remind everyone too that we're all on the same side here.   
Let's try to get perspective on things said.  Try reading posts made as neutrally as possible, because chances are good that the emotion you're assigning to something someone said is incorrect.

Hi, I'm new to Astral Pulse. I have a history of spontaneous OBEs and have worked on initiating them on my own. I haven't been successful in that respect, but when I spontaneously wake up with heavy vibrations and buzzing in my ears, I have no problem with getting out. I continue to work on techniques I learned through Bill Buhlman's course at the Monroe Institute. I have some of the binaural recordings Buhlman created, as well as the CDs he engineered to provide a guided hypnotic approach to achieving OBEs. While I haven't initiated separation on my own, I've become very close.

I just ordered a Laxman through the Mind Modulations website. I don't know how the Laxman will help me specifically, but I'm going to approach it as an aid to meditation, then basically experiment to see what is possible. I'm intrigued by the results that people have described here, and I'm hopeful that I'll have some interesting experiences to share. I've read a lot of opinions here that seem to recommend that someone should be experienced at astral projection before using the Laxman. If that is to suggest that I should be able to initiate vibrations and sleep paralysis on my own, then I guess I'm a little premature on my purchase of the Laxman. Just the same, it can't be much harm to begin experimentation with some of the Laxman programs from a purely meditative approach. If my experimentation into these altered states leads to projection, then all the better. Am I approaching this with the wrong expectations? Just wanted to know what the consensus opinion is on this subject.

Hello and Welcome to the Astral Pulse Brett!   :-)

The Laxman creates a very deep NP (Non Physical) focus. What you do when that happens is up to you!  :wink:

Just be prepared to strap in and enjoy the ride!   :-)

Just so that you know, MJ (my better half) and my friends, all people that have never experienced AP consciously aware, all experienced being drawn into the scene that the Laxman was suggesting, via the light and sounds.

After the Session was over they just kind of laid there not moving a muscle. I had to actually take the Goggles off of them before they moved, lol!

 To any people wishing to purchase a Laxman in North America. Mind Modulations has been closed for the last couple of years now, so you can no longer use them for your purchase.

Neurotronics (the maker of the Laxman) does have another distributor in the USA : It is Marks General Services (Mark Adamak) from Wisconsin (www.marksgs.com).

They will be more than willing to help you with your purchase.

Thank You!  :-)

Hey Lion,

Not sure if Mind Mods is out of business, but they currently don't have any Laxman units. They called me and asked if I wanted to wait for a shipment to get in. I declined and immediately picked up a new unit off EBay. I get the same warranty and support from the German manufacturer. I should get it either Saturday or Monday. I wasted a week with Mind Mods. They left me hanging with no follow up. Perhaps they truly are out of business and are working to get back in the game. Either way, unless they demonstrate to be a reliable dealer, I would look for Laxman units elsewhere.

Sincerely,

Brett

....as a matter of fact, (my Laxman I got off EBay) is actually coming from Wisconsin. Perhaps that's the North American distributor Lion was talking about!

The Laxman I ordered off Ebay was actually from the Marks General distributor that Lion mentioned. However, I got the last new Laxman from this distributor. Others are on order from Germany. He was also selling some used units on Ebay that came from open boxes or were previously used as demo models. Marks General is probably the best bet to buy a new or used unit if you live in the US.

Astral Pulse followers,

Got my Laxman today. Started with the "Deep Relax" program, followed with "Underwater" and "Across". I experimented with open eyes vs closed, and determined that closed eyes actually provided the greatest variation in color and stimulation. While keeping my eyes open, there didn't appear to be the variation and imagery that closed provided. Open eyes gave a great intensity, but I would have to say I prefer to keep them closed. I achieved a wonderful relaxation experience during the sessions, but did not phase today. At one point, near the end of "Across," I felt a huge surge of vibrations, much like I have felt during spontaneous OBEs in the past. It took me by surprise and my shock kind of killed it for me. I need to be a little more of an observer, welcoming sensations as they come. The program was coming to an end, so I felt to shift to Beta, killing the vibration state.

I took Lion's advice on the goggles, removing the strap altogether. This seemed to work pretty well. I draped a towel over the goggles to cut out any outside light, as well as hold the goggles in place. Never had a problem with discomfort or movement with the goggles during the sessions.

At one point, feeling her presence, I called on the Archangel Haniel during one of the sessions. It has been over a year since I communicated with this angel! She provided some valuable feedback to what I should expect. She was very comforting during the process, putting my mind at ease in my expectations of a possible OBE today. She said that the sessions will help build up my energy body and that I will achieve an AP soon enough. I've been very sick for most of the past year with pancreatitis. It is still a mystery as to how I got sick, but I'm thankful that I began to come out of it near the end of the year.  It is only recently that I have taken myself off all the pain meds. Haniel further reminded me that I am still healing, and my energy body is healing as well. The Laxman is serving as a vehicle to build me back up in mind and spirit. She encouraged me to continue the sessions, as all progress is cumulative, nothing is wasted.

This is not a forum about angels, but angel communication is a big part of my life. It is something I lost during my sickness, while I was on all the meds. Getting back to being able to communicate, as well as learn to initiate OBEs is important for me. When I got sick, I had just finished the first draft of a book I'm writing and had turned it into my editor. Needless to say, for over a year the book has remained unfinished. Angel communication, messages and inspiration fill the pages I have channeled and crafted thus far. So restoring that channel, as well as opening up to new experiences and inspiration are quite important to me. I have to feel that my sickness served a purpose. Had I not become sick, I would have probably finished the book with the same perspective I had when I started it. I would like to think that the Laxman will provide something important that I was missing, taking me to places full of inspired thought and messages that would not have been available to me a year ago. All indications seem to point to this truth.

Thank you for reading this rambling post! I will continue to experiment with the Laxman, as well as remain open to your suggestions during this learning process. I have read all your posts and feel as though I know each of you. I look forward to sharing something a little more interesting next time.

Love and Light,

Brett

 Hey Brett. I am happy to hear your Laxman has arrived and you are enjoying it. It really is a fantastic little machine!  :-)

As far as your health problems go, I have heard many people, while travelling doing my shows, tell me how their health problems led their life into a new direction. Most of them state that if it wasn't for their problem, they wouldn't have found or did what it is they are doing today. It's like a blessing in disguise. I just wish it didn't have to come with so much physical pain.

I know if it wasn't for my own health problems I wouldn't be here on this Forum today either. It frees up quite a bit of "healing time".

I look forward to reading your book. It has peeked my curiosity!  :wink:

I agree with you Lion. However, not all learning and change comes thru pain, but sometimes it serves purposes otherwise not possible. I'm of the opinion that it's all for the better. I see positive changes I'm making now, as well as a perspective I might not otherwise have had. My patience is perhaps one of the elements I find most difficult to find peace with. However, I can't expect everything to happen all at once.

Thanks for the L#3 program. I assume I can connect the Laxman to my computer with the USB connector and load to the internal drive? I ordered a mini SD card, but I don't know if I'll be using it anytime soon. The only downside I see to the preloaded programs is the tendency for them to shift to Beta, thus killing any vibratory state that has built up to the point. Found that out yesterday. Any opportunity for an OBE would be limited by the length of the program. This may not necessary continue to be the case though .Still, there is much therapeutic benefit to the programs, even if you don't go out of body. I guess that's why I'm looking forward to working with the L#3 program today.

I will say, the experience changes the more the Laxman is used. Archangel Haniel was right. All experiences are cumulative and changing. Nothing is wasted. It's kind of cool to have angels take an interest in our progress towards the exploration of altered states. Their interest and involvement goes beyond our imagination. We certainly are never alone as we might think we are. Have a good day everybody.

Love and Light,

Brett

 Yes Brett. To download it to the Laxman, you hook up your USB connector, then open the Laxman "files" on your computer. Then you download the L#3 Session on to it. But remember to turn the "Data Transfer" on your Laxman on first. You can find that in the Laxman device settings. All of this is written in the Laxman manual as well.

You will enjoy my L#3 Session because it ends in Theta. I wanted to stay deep in the trance state at the end of it.  :wink:

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)

Hi Lionheart. I've just joined the forum and I already ordered the laxman a couple of months ago after having read this thread, while in the process of learning to project.
I'd very much like to try out your L3 program for it. Could you give me the link as well?

Much appreciated!

Quote from: Shilo on March 12, 2014, 14:44:57
Hi Lionheart. I've just joined the forum and I already ordered the laxman a couple of months ago after having read this thread, while in the process of learning to project.
I'd very much like to try out your L3 program for it. Could you give me the link as well?

Much appreciated!

Hello Shilo and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

I sent my L#3 Session to you. Check your email.

What do you think of the Laxman? What's your favorite program? Does it help you to get into a good NP (Non Physical) focus?

Hi Lionheart!

Thanks for the program. I am still very much in the learning process of consciously projecting.
I have tried several things to find out what appeals to me the most.
I have tried Monroe's introductions to focus 10 for some time (no luck yet), I have done some energy work as taught by Robert Bruce and worked through part of his book Mastering Astral Projection and right now am working with William Buhlman's audio book.

I ordered the laxman to help me release physical focus and although I feel very far from reaching the vibrational state or phasing during normal waking hours, it has helped me relax and more or less forget about my body for a moment.
I am not giving up so I wanted to try your L#3 program having read the good reviews here.

Yesterday when you sent it over I decided I was gonna wake up after 4 hours of sleep to move to the couch and see if I could get results.
I put on the program along with Isochronic tones. First thing I must note is that next time I'm probably not using the tones since it almost felt it took away from the white serenity of the program. I just felt like being in complete silence while enjoying the white lights.
It felt so soothing, more than the factory programs to be honest, and I already love those!
The high frequency of the flickering just entered my mind so gently.
In the meanwhile I was not imagining scenes yet, I was actually waiting to get sleepy first but that took longer than I had hoped.
At some point when I got some dreamlike thoughts I gave it a go and I was well able to keep my focus away from the body.
But then the program ended and I still didn't feel very sleepy.

I think it was the excitement that was keeping me so awake. This was the first time I moved to the couch at night.
I therefor decided to go back to bed and continued visualizing while falling asleep.

Next thing I know I am looking into the room and my whole body feels very weird. I decide to will myself out of the bed and to my surprise I start moving.
With a little resistance, like a pull, coming from where I was lying, I break free and now I'm at the side of the bed. But my vision turns black. I've had the once before, but now I'm working with William Buhlman's method and I remember what he advised.
I demand "awareness NOW" and I notice I gain a little bit of sight on the left and bottom of my view. I keep repeating in english and in dutch until I have a pretty ok view.

I want to know if this is really an OBE or if I'm in a dream. I have had this before and the bed was empty when I looked back then. Now I try to look at the bed but when I do my vision starts turning black again. I persist and can see something lying in the bed but can't really come close.
I am forgetting at this moment that I should always move away from the body.

But then I do and I move to the living room decide to take a jump from the balcony. I observe some people in the garden having a conversation and then I move back in the house and jump from the window out of the other side of the house and fly a little bit through the nearby vicinity.
But I am very unexperienced. So I constantly feel afraid of losing memory of this experience and keep demanding "awareness now" while I move back to the house to re-enter my body.
When I come back the bedroom has changed. It is a completely different bedroom and I am lying there with my girlfriend next to me (she wasn't there for real).
I jump towards my body and scream out loud as I do (robert bruce's advice) to reinforce memory storage.

But then I have a false awakening as I remember now. I tell my girlfriend I just had and OBE etc which is all dream.
Not much later I wake up for real, but now I'm very much in doubt whether what I experienced was and OBE or a lucid dream about having an OBE.

I'd say the lucidity throughout the experience was medium. I have had lucid dreams that were more lucid than this experience. I felt somewhat half lucid, half automatic.
Maybe some thoughts on that?


Anyway, if the laxman has had a contribution to this inspiring experience, I can't say for sure. But what I do know is that I'm going to keep on doing this routine for some time from now on and allow myself to get used to the process of waking up at night to do a session, so that I can be more relaxed while doing it.

As for the program itself, chapeau! It's definitely my program of choice now and I totally get now why you didn't add any sound. It's perfect as it is.

 Congratulations Shilo!  :-D

All of your patience and perseverance has finally paid off for you. In the beginning my Laxman purchase was actually to show me that I am in this for the "long haul". I am not rich, so I felt that $600 purchase. But it also showed me my determination to advance and learn more.

Last week I made an hour version of the my L#3 Session for another member here. You are more than welcome to it as well.

I signed up after reading this thread and after seeing all the posts about the light/sound machines, I'm now 100 percent sure I also want to get one.
Like many here I want to use the machine to aid me in my Astral Projections, which right now happen once in a while through affirmations, FILD and luck.
I'm now stuck between the Laxman (positive feedback in this thread) and the Kasina (cheaper).

So I have one question for Lionheart; if I decide to buy/try out the Kasina, will I also be able to use the infamous L#3 session on the Kasina?

Thank you

Quote from: strengthfades on March 17, 2014, 16:48:18
So I have one question for Lionheart; if I decide to buy/try out the Kasina, will I also be able to use the infamous L#3 session on the Kasina?

Yes and much more. In my view if you have the money, I feel the Laxman is better. If you want great programs and the ability to "tweak" every aspect of your Sessions, than the Kasina is better. The Laxman is twice as expensive as the Kasina and I believe you normally get what you paid for. The Kasina is also a newer unit and I don't think it has reached it's full potential yet. They have a great tech dept and their own Forum as well.

I make my judgment by the visuals and that sways me towards the Laxman. I bought new 2 Session Albums from neurotronics.eu. I got "The Complete Album Altered States" and "The Complete Album Planets". They are both very good and worth the extra purchase.

In the next month or so I will be writing a review of them based on my own personal experience with them. Right now I am in the exploratory mode with each individual Session.

Thanks for the fast reply Lionheart.
I have 3 last questions and if you would be so kind to answer them because it would defnitely help me make the final decision.

1: I saw your post on an other blog where you said you used the Kasina session 'night voyage' and afterwards you had many Lucid Dreams do you get the same Lucid Dream results with a certain session the Laxman?
2: You used the L#3 on both machines on which one do you think it gave better/faster NP results, because my main reason for buying this machine is for Astral Projection?
3: I wanted to ask you if you could also send me the L#3 files for the Kasina and for the Laxman would I later decide to still go with the Laxman.

I will also post my results in a couple of weeks for those who're interested!

Thank you

 1. I have LDs regardless of whether I use my Laxman or not. This has come from daily entrainment by using positive affirmations before sleep plus logging my Dreams in my Journal.

2. Neither my L#3 Session or any other program via a Light/Sound machine will "make" you AP. These machines create a good NP (Non Physical) focus. What you do when you are in that NP focus is up to you. In other words they speed up "part" of the process. But the real work is still being done by you.

3. I can send you my L#3 Session for the Laxman if that is the machine you are going to purchase. My L#3 Session for the Kasina can be found over at the Kasina Forum in Sessions. There you will also find many great Sessions created by other Kasina users. Neurotronics doesn't have a Forum for the Laxman, but they do have a Facebook page. I'm not on Facebook, so I don't know what it is. You will have to search for that yourself.

Let me state lastly here that these devices are "TOOLS". They are very helpful tools, but you still are doing the work. They are not a Magic Pill.

I returned my Kasina. So any questions you have on that device can be asked on the Kasina thread here or by the helpful people over at the Kasina Forum. Xanth has one and uses it often, so he would be able to give you some further info on the Kasina. He wrote his own review here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/kasina_light_and_sound_machine-t43994.0.html

Here is also a good thread created by Neuroasis (one of the engineers and developers of the Kasina).
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/why_avs_audio_video_stimulationstimulators_machines_matter-t44043.0.html

I'm aware it's just a tool, but a helpful one....
Yes it would be great if you could send me the L#3 sessions you made for the Laxman!

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

I placed my order for the Laxman, so I will be posting my results asap.
One weird thing though, my order number was 666.....not kidding, so hopefully this means I will defeat my demons.

Thanks Lionheart for your sessions, I will wait for my Laxman to arrive and try your sessions and let you know how it goes. I am an absolute beginner, But I do have natural NP focus throughout the day due to long term pranayama practice. Do you have any suggestions on any material to read regarding phasing in general. Thanks again for taking your time to write such a detailed reply.

 Hello Tom and Welcome to the Astral Pulse!  :-)

Xanth has a fantastic primer pdf on Phasing. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/xanths_free_60_page_ebook_"my_astral_projection_truth"-t32983.0.html

Here is one by a former very knowledgeable member named Frank Kepple.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html

Another thing you could do is to enter "Phasing" into the top right hand Search engine and see the many many discussions we had on it there.

Phasing in general is a deeper form of meditating where you actually are noticing things behind your closed eyes, instead of trying to clear them like some disciplines of meditation call for. You learn to passively observe and once they have developed into a full blown scenario, you enter it. There are many ways you can jump start the process though. one great one is creative visualization, which the Laxman will aid you with immensely.

At first just relax into the programs. I would start with Underwater or Deep Relaxation first, to get a feeling of what a AVS machine will do. Then the fun begins and you start your own experimenting!  :-)

That natural focus that your Pranayama Practice teaches you will aid you exponentially.

I can't wait to hear your review, experiences, first impressions with the machine!  :-)

Edit: Xanth just wrote this in another thread and it is fitting here as well. Although much harder to do at first than say. We live in the physical. That is our current existence. It's hard to learn to just shut it off, but it can and be done. That's basically what we do when we go to sleep. Our vessel goes into autopilot and we are free to roam. The trick is turning our conscious awareness back on during without interrupting our physical vessel in the process.

"Phasing...
If I had to really define it... phasing is when you've removed all beliefs and expectations about the 'entrance' to projection. 
There's no separating, because you don't have to separate, there's nothing to separate from. 
There are (usually) no vibrations, because it's simply not required. 
You just shift your perspective to somewhere else by ignoring your perspective here."

Thanks for the great info, Lionheart. Xanth's Pdf was really helpful, I started becoming lucid during my afternoon naps, felt the vibrations once when I was listening to multidimensional man mp3 with the random theta session. But because it was unexpected, with in seconds I returned to normal waking consciousness. I am very surprised and happy with the results so far, will let you know more later.
It is interesting to know, how do you normally end a phasing session?
Regarding the L#3session , I would like ask what is your contrast setting?. I see that the visuals are different at different contrast levels.
Regarding Laxman itself, a good quality product, very satisfied with the purchase, downloaded few sessions from their website which are quiet nice as well.

Quote from: tomswgc on April 25, 2014, 04:00:34
I am very surprised and happy with the results so far, will let you know more later.
It is interesting to know, how do you normally end a phasing session?
Regarding the L#3session , I would like ask what is your contrast setting?. I see that the visuals are different at different contrast levels.
Regarding Laxman itself, a good quality product, very satisfied with the purchase, downloaded few sessions from their website which are quiet nice as well.

Hello again Tom. I  end my Phasing sessions by just shifting my focus back to my physical body. After a Laxman session, that normally takes a bit of work to do. Since it feels like you are indeed experiencing a mild paralysis and your eyes feel like they are glued shut.

I use my L#3 session at the second brightest level. I never touch the contrast though. So that would be whatever factory default is.

I am enjoying my new sessions from Neurotronics as well. I purchased "Planets" and "Altered States of mind". I am slowly getting back into them, now that my eye problem is finally healing. I am not pushing it though. I don't want a relapse!

Hello,

Been awhile since I have been on this board and I was searching for a way to astral project but was unable and unsuccessful because of the beating I took at a State Prison I was a corrections officer and I was almost murdered at least that was the plan of the prisoner. Fortunately for me I had a hard head unfortunate for the State they had to Retire me at an earlier age. I was kicked in the head and in the back and ribs over one hundred fifty times at least that is what they tell me from counting it while watching the past video. I have bad PTSD, I can't sleep at nights and when I do I hardly ever dream anymore. I am dormant in my home with my wife 24/7 because I can't be around people. Subconsciously, my mind protects me and puts me on full alert! If anyone has or had PTSD before using the Laxman I sure would be happy to know there maybe help for me and I will be able to astral travel once again. I am not new to astral travel just new to this PTSD.

So do you all feel the Laxman is still the way to go over the mindset or other devices out there? My wife is wants to get me the laxman even that $20,000 lucy if it would help with my issues. I love your posting guys and gals I am 56 years young and ready to light the fires and kick the tires! I just need a little encouragement from you all that there is still some hope left! :wink:

Laxman just didn't quite do it for me. I was never able to get any visual perceptions because the flashing lights were just too distracting even when on low. Guess it depends upon the person though as some people have no trouble perceiving when using it. The first time my wife used it she saw herself as a dragon flying over land. I hate successful first-timers.

Correction123 welcome to the pulse  :-D   I am very sorry for the unnecessary trauma you've had to undergo!, but I am glad your here with us now!! I wish you the best of luck and hope you get back to np soon!  :-D I also want to try one of these machines! Once I hit it big in the lottery ( LOA thinking lol ) I'm gonna buy me one.... Wish I had lionheart as a neighbor I'd just go to his house and use his lmao  :-D :-D :-D

Selling my Laxman. Brand New. Bought it from Amazon for $550 usd. Will sell for 450. PayPal only. Don't miss out on this great deal!

Hello,

Everyone! I just bought the "Laxman" after 30 days of searching for the best light and sound devices. It was hard at first because there probably better and or worse in the market places. But like my family and my wife said, I am high maintenance when it comes to doing things like this. If it is not expensive too me then it probably won't due what I expect it to do. It's just my thing! With this attitude it makes for us a costly budget at times. But I have been right before and I hope I am right again with buying this unit!

I have PTSD from 3 years ago after my attack. I needed to find something that could take me away from the "Stress" factor that plaques me 24/7. If this can put me under then it will save me for later all those doctor visits and medications. Plus I love to astral travel when I can get it to work for me. I found that when the "vibrations" kick in it is really easy to project into the realtime world that Robert Bruce talks about that is I am right in the room with my body sleeping this is before entering the astral realm; again probably subjective. I am no expert I am in fact a little out of my league. I am a radionics operator for years using machines. So you have to have a little faith that the machines you are working with because there nothing that proves otherwise except what the receiver tells me.

That's why I am anxious to get this device in the next two days and luckily I live in Minnesota and the distributor of the "Laxman" lives in Wisconsin my neighboring state as far as I am aware he is the only distributor now and of course in Germany. I do not find many on the board about the Laxman lately so I hope this stirs the pot a little for more conversation and information. Like the others I too would like to put my experiences here online so hope it may help someone here. I wanted to say a little about the way I get out of body it is quite different!

I lie down and let my body go into a light sleep then I imagine "Jason" from Camp Crystal Lake coming into my room with his machete and all the sudden wham I come out of my body with the vibrations going wild. This was the only or is the only way I can do it manually to get a stir in energy body. Pretty weird that is for sure! I haven't been able to do it lately the last 3 years since my traumatic event but at least now I am retired! Hopefully I won't have to invite Jason into bedroom to scare my energy body out of my physical body like before!  Being scared to death! hmm! :-D

All my questions have pretty much been answered by most of all you; I spent an entire month on this site reading. I am just hoping I can get that L3 program that LionHeart was kind enough of giving out to "Laxman" users. I will even pay for it that's Ok with me. I do have a question a unique one, has anyone astral traveled to the Akashik Records or Hall of Records? I am interested to go there to experience by re-living the places in world history as I read the Akashik books. Thanks everyone for your participation by allowing us new people to start off at the right foot.  :wink:

I got to use my Laxman for the first time today to get a quick session in...and I did that Beach program I guess and WOW! I closed my eyes but since I was experimenting I was talking with my wife who supports me in this usage and I told her I saw images now imagine I am talking not meditating at this time, so I like I said I saw images of WWII sub and ship wreck under the water I saw two bottle nose dolphins and some kind of coral formation then I saw myself through my eyes I didn't see my body I was I guess scuba diving near the bottom of the sand deep in the water. Here I am talking with her then all the sudden I got sucked in some how and momentarily passed out then I awakened mind wise because my body was asleep or perceptually so anyways. I registered I had clicked out because the lights were over. So I just looked into the mild darkness and was seeing all kinds of hypnogogic images! I couldn't believe a machine is able to override your brainwaves to create such things.

Finally I got up and went to talk with my wife apparently she left the living room and I asked her what happened. She told me you were explaining what you were seeing to me and all those images then all of the sudden you got quiet and I left the living room to go to office and do some work. A person with PTSD such as myself to be able to experience this amazing short term relaxation was worth more to me than $600 and I didn't even use the rest of the programs yet! I am not sure what to expect at the moment but I bet I am in for a treat!

Another thing I did read some areas where they mention how tight fitted the goggles are if your talking about on the bridge of your nose I agree and I found a simpler solution. After my last session I placed a Curad bandage over the bridge of my nose thus placing the pad of the bandage over the bone area of the bridge it made it extremely comfortable to use now.

The chassis of the machine is very sleek and very shiny when you look at what you get my wife said that's it for $600! But she doesn't know that much about why it cost what it does. All I know she is in for a treat when she experiences the "Beach" program. I may have to take off the goggles for her after 30 minutes. So from just one example even while talking consciously to my wife wearing the goggles and experiencing the lights behind closed eyelids it still overrode to knock me out until the program was done. My wife told me it was about 15 minutes before she heard nothing from me while using it.

I use the Bose headphones they are perfect for this unit! My friend from Ohio also got his unit two days ago and he told me he went under and he heard himself snoring and he wanted to move his hands to shut off the program but he couldn't he was trapped! I guess what I am saying you all heard and experienced yourselves over and over again but being new I have to get it off my chest and talk to someone out there other than my blog that discuss the Laxman with my readers. One thing Lionheart was saying you can't fight it just go with it but to me it was not so easy done as said and of course everyone of us have differ temperaments. Because of my Trauma status I did somewhat fight it at first because I was afraid that maybe this trauma would be introduced back to me and I would live it over again that I couldn't handle.

I am still not out of the woods though I have the "Theta" and "Delta" programs to deal with even deeper areas of my mind to access I guess I will have to just light step into the cold water to get used to it. I am only hoping any military with diagnosed PTSD is reading this I know whoever they are I will say to them get this machine please! No Psychologist in the world unless he uses this device or the lucia can perform what this can do to a trauma victim such as myself and who experiences this everyday of the year for 3 years in a row! If anything it will save your sanity and that would be it's weight in gold! Of course on the lighter side I hope to get my "Vibrations" kicked on with the program do astral projection, every time the vibrations hit I pop out instantly by my will only! I thought to myself this is not that hard as people say it is! But the hard part for me was I couldn't always reach these meditative levels by myself so I am pretty excited and hopefully if the "Vibrations" meditative program can put me under to that area once the vibrations kick in from my chakra's out I will go and will go indeed!

i too have a Laxman light and sound machine so i will be trying it with lionheart file thank you.so let see what will happen if i astral or not but i just got to keep on trying...

 Warrior, the Laxman is not a "magic pill". It creates a good deep NP focus. What you do when you find yourself in this deep focus is up to you.

For now ALLOW yourself to immerse in the lights and sounds. Just enjoy them. Don't try to do proactively do anything. Just ALLOW what's going to happen to happen!  :-)

Quote from: Lionheart on June 12, 2014, 01:25:58
Warrior, the Laxman is not a "magic pill". It creates a good deep NP focus. What you do when you find yourself in this deep focus is up to you.

For now ALLOW yourself to immerse in the lights and sounds. Just enjoy them. Don't try to do proactively do anything. Just ALLOW what's going to happen to happen!  :-)

you are Great for create that sesson i thank you for a wonderful experience with it.
every one should try your sesson! it like wow i like it a lot.

hi there.
i am new on this forum. i have just ordered my laxman unit and waiting for it.
i would really like to try the L3 Lionheart track and i have sent some messages to him but i see he is away from this forum for more than a month.
could someone help me in getting that track?

i think it could help me a lot.

I've had my Laxman for a little while now and I love it!  Just a word of caution, I wouldn't use it daily as it will give you a bit of eye strain, but nothing too painful. 

A few week ago I was using my Laxman while meditating and I fell asleep :roll: and went in a AP/LD environment but I still have my Laxman on and the mandalas are showing up in my experience  :lol:  I spend a lot of time trying to figure out why I'm seeing these shapes all over the place in my field of vision until I realized my body was sleeping!  Once I came to that realization though, they went away and the experience continued on.

Lately I have been using my Laxman with guided mediation mp3s on manual sessions and I like the results I get from doing it like this.  It works out so well that I am editing out the induction part as they don't seem to be needed since the device throws you into a relaxed state so easily. 

If there was only a way I could wear this to sleep and have it come on an hour before I woke up!  That would be a guaranteed non-physical experience every night! 

Quote from: Lionheart on January 01, 2012, 17:17:48
Hello, has anybody here ever tried a Light and Sound Machine? I had a Phase Session yesterday where I noticed I was actually using one. I did some brief research on the topic and found that the Laxman is the 'Rolls Royce" of L/S Machines. I am curious whether it might make the Astral experience deeper and easier to maintain focus and memory. Here is a website pertaining to this http://www.mindmodulations.com/Laxman-Light-Sound-Mind-Machine.html. I find the fact that you can enter your own programs in this to be a great selling point. I would love to here your constructive views on this unit and opinions.

Edit: February 20th/2014
Mindmodulations.com has been closed for over 2 years now.  Neurotronics (the maker of the Laxman) does have another distributor in the USA : It is Marks General Services (Mark Adamak) from Wisconsin (www.marksgs.com).

This is really intersting Lionheart, thanks for posting. I was looking into to buying a l/d mask a while ago. It was called Aurora by iWinks. I can get out of body pretty easily and I still don't know why I can lol. It's probably from meditation. A while ago I seen my uncle in a OBE. It was my first time ever seeing someone else. My aunt just reticently past and it was the first night I spent over there in a while. I usually spend every weekend over there lol. This last time I heard someone whispering in my ear and had 2 OBEs. I'm going over there again to see if I can have more. I am really considering on purchasing a l/d mask to monitor my rem stages. I wake up during rem which isn't good so I've been told. Any advice?

Lionheart and leavesofgrass and others, thanks for all the great insights on the Laxman.

I have tried the Kasina and Procyon and unfortunately didn't get much out of either. To me there wasn't anything special about the visuals. I never really saw any great mandalas like Fairywindblues mentioned seeing with the Laxman.

With the Kasina, there were perhaps moments when I found myself going from scene to scene about memories or found myself still and thinking about being somewhere else, but that was more like daydreaming to a lesser degree. I never at any point felt like I lost track of time or forgot where I was. I'm hoping the Laxman will better assist with helping me let go of my surroundings and sense of time.

Lionheart - You mentioned you had tried out the Kasina too. Do you get a lot better visuals from the Laxman vs Kasina? Any details you can provide would be much appreciated. With Kasina/Procyon I tried everything from just letting go and not focusing on visuals to trying to picture mandalas, etc. Either way though I never really saw much.

Have any of you been in touch with the makers of Laxman? Do they have any new updates on the horizon? Think Laxman came out in 2008. From what I've read on here though, it sounds like the Laxman is still ahead of Kasina and other devices in terms of the overall experience provided.

As far as the Lucia 3, I'm a little confused. If you're already able to have an OBE and also get there even quicker with the Laxman, then why the need for a Lucia which is $20K? Aren't you already reaching the same state or even higher without the Lucia 3 once you've gotten out of body? Or are you just interested in testing it out for curiosity sakes? I would think once you leave your body and reach your higher self then you're already at a point where you can keep going higher and higher towards awareness/consciousness? Not that I wouldn't fork over $20 if I could afford it :) But I'm hoping I can attain just as great an experience without the high costs.

Lionheart and leavesofgrass... That said, I'm interested in ordering the Laxman and would like to test out your L3 session. I have not yet had an OBE but hope the Laxman and your session will help me quiet the mind.

Would either of you be able to email the Laxman L3 session to me?

Thank you!!

Want to add that I don't want to take away anything from Kasina/Procyon because this product seems to work quite well for many others. I'm hoping the Laxman will speak more to my mind.

Would be interesting to learn why the Kasina/Procyon vs Laxman may work better for different users. Think Xanath uses the Kasina and is quite happy with it. Also, apparently CraigT prefers the Kasina as well if he had to choose one or the other.

I look forward to testing out the Laxman and hope to report a great experience like many of the other users here.

Yup, I have the Kasina.  I haven't had the luxury of being able to compare the visuals of the two... but I'm still extremely happy with the results the Kasina provides.
Although, like any "tool"... you still have to do the majority of the work yourself, but the machines provide a good non-physical focus with which to work with.  :)

Also, I've had a few requests from people for the "L3" program.
Contact me if you have any questions regarding it.

Xanth- thank you for the info and the links to the L3 sessions!  :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2070227/L%233.lax

My laxman goggles have developed a strange problem, it seems one side of the goggles work intermittently, or half-ish, for eg, white appears yellow, the only remedy is to bend it back very slightly and it goes to normal, it seems to have a connection problem in the goggles, ive handled them very carefully, im quite disappointed that such an apparent high quality device made in Germany, would have such an oversight on a weak spot in the goggles, any remedies?

Quote from: manuel on December 08, 2014, 07:10:32
My laxman goggles have developed a strange problem, it seems one side of the goggles work intermittently, or half-ish, for eg, white appears yellow, the only remedy is to bend it back very slightly and it goes to normal, it seems to have a connection problem in the goggles, ive handled them very carefully, im quite disappointed that such an apparent high quality device made in Germany, would have such an oversight on a weak spot in the goggles, any remedies?

Well, all I can say is that with any device... from time to time, there will be one made shoddily. 
I'd contact the company and see if you can get it serviced or replaced?

Until the Aurora Dreamer comes out, I'm not touching anything paid for lucid dreaming or astral projection. :( The REM Dreamer let me down, down-town.

Hello everyone havnt bin on line in forever but still read the posts everyday,  best site ever for open minded ppl !!! Anyways if like to first thank lionheart for sendin me the l3 session a number of months bak   Its the best session  that and lovely..   But my laxman has started doin the samething  as manuels about 3 weeks ago and i only bought it last march. I have made sure its always bin handled gently and kept in the case when not in use.   Ive tried contacting neurotronics a number of times so far explaining the problem  but they havnt emailed me bak and im startin to get cheesed .. after reading manuels post  its obv a  its a factory screw up  so hopefuly they honor thier product n replace it  cuz that aint a cheap toy lol    manuel could u pm me if u make ne progress contacting neurotronics  and let me kno what they say about the whole thing   Hopefuly u have more luck gettin a reply from them then me 

hi
It is a pity that this failure will be presented on glasses. Fortunately after nearly two years the mine still work very well. As a recommendation will never recommend bend or press in any way, because the construction is sealed and the naked eye can not handle simple repair.
Heart I hope you get yours repaired.
taking this instance: I invite you to create an active community blog about Laxman type, because unfortunately the mark is unable or unwilling to exploit this route. For thus we can enrich our experience with others.

hey manuel just to let ya know and everyone else on here the people at neurotronics were super helpful once i finaly got in contact with them and the said that its a known defect with the goggles and ther sending me a replacement no problems :-D.. super awsum     and manuel if u havnt gotten in contact with them yet jst email them from the address on the site  dont make the same mistake as me and try through the contact link. but if u do they said they got a gold pair  special edition  rite now witch ther sendin me so im sure if u havnt resolved it yet theyd do the same for you.  happy travels to everyone

Quote from: theswearjar on January 14, 2015, 06:58:30
hey manuel just to let ya know and everyone else on here the people at neurotronics were super helpful once i finaly got in contact with them and the said that its a known defect with the goggles and ther sending me a replacement no problems :-D.. super awsum     and manuel if u havnt gotten in contact with them yet jst email them from the address on the site  dont make the same mistake as me and try through the contact link. but if u do they said they got a gold pair  special edition  rite now witch ther sendin me so im sure if u havnt resolved it yet theyd do the same for you.  happy travels to everyone

Excellent.

I'd suggest posting the email address you used here.  That would help greatly for people with this same issue.  :)

Good idea the email address is   Mail@neurotronics.eu

Can someone send me the L3 Laxman file?

I plan on ordering the Laxman very soon.   :-D

Thanks.

Quote from: Slider on June 23, 2015, 19:08:57
Can someone send me the L3 Laxman file?

I plan on ordering the Laxman very soon.   :-D

Thanks.

Scroll up a bit.  ;)

Quote from: Xanth on June 24, 2015, 12:04:53
Scroll up a bit.  ;)

I did see that but it was only 465 bytes, so I thought it couldn't possibly the correct file.

But maybe it is, I think I remember reading that this L3 file is only the light portion for the Laxman system?

Anyway... I ordered my Laxman this morning...can't wait to get it and start again.

To make a long story short.  I've been away from the site mostly going on about 10 years.  I had originally signed up for Frank Kepple's class when he went missing.  :|

I tried to read all of his posts (which weren't organized back then, thanks for whoever organized them!) and do this on my own.  I came close a few times but every single time I knew it was about to happen I would get excited and say "....here we go".  At which point the whole thing would fade away.....

I can't wait to try the Laxman.  Hopefully it will get me to that point much quicker where I can practice the other techniques and finally get my first AP!

That's my plan anyway.

It looks like I have a lot of catching up to do and hopefully I'll be sharing some success stories.   :-)

Quote from: Slider on June 24, 2015, 16:05:19
I did see that but it was only 465 bytes, so I thought it couldn't possibly the correct file.

But maybe it is, I think I remember reading that this L3 file is only the light portion for the Laxman system?

It's the right one.  They're small files with just the data to run the lights and sound. 

QuoteTo make a long story short.  I've been away from the site mostly going on about 10 years.  I had originally signed up for Frank Kepple's class when he went missing.  :|

Welcome back.  :)

QuoteI tried to read all of his posts (which weren't organized back then, thanks for whoever organized them!) and do this on my own.  I came close a few times but every single time I knew it was about to happen I would get excited and say "....here we go".  At which point the whole thing would fade away.....

You're welcome. 

QuoteI can't wait to try the Laxman.  Hopefully it will get me to that point much quicker where I can practice the other techniques and finally get my first AP!

That's my plan anyway.

It looks like I have a lot of catching up to do and hopefully I'll be sharing some success stories.   :-)

I've only used the Kasina (a different light and sound machine) and I love it. 

I'm sure you're not as far behind as you think you are.  :)

It's the right one.  They're small files with just the data to run the lights and sound.  

QuoteIt's the right one.  They're small files with just the data to run the lights and sound. 

Welcome back.  :)

Thanks for the Clarification and Welcome back.

QuoteI'm sure you're not as far behind as you think you are.  :)

I hope you are correct and we are going to find out soon.  :-)

Hi,

I am new to this area and have just bought the Laxman which is really good and worth every penny.

I see some great things have been said about the L#3 Session which has been created by lionheart?

I would love to try it. Does the link above contain the full file as when i download it its only about 465kb in size?

Thank you and it was interesting reading through the whole of this topic.

Hi drexal,

I've been trying to Astral Project/phase on and off (more off) for the past 10 years.  Still trying to get the first one!

I've had my Laxman for a few weeks but had to wait over a week to receive a micro SD card with a Mini SD adapter.  I want to put all additional and newly created sessions on the add on card and keep the 1GB portion with the firmware and original sessions pristine.  So far that has been my only beef with the Laxman, you can barely find Mini SD cards anymore!  The people at Neutronics informed me that they are redesigning to accept Micro SD cards.

Anyway...

Yes the file above is the entire 30 minute L#3 session.  As I understand, Lionheart only used the light (no sound or Mp3) with the L#3 session.

I have only used the L#3 session once.  I was really kind of skeptical because it is only white light and no sound, but wow... it is everything that everyone has said about it.  When it was over I was in such a relaxed state... unfortunately my chatty mind started right up and I had the urge to roll over that I couldn't control.  :x Grrr...

I wish LionHeart was still around 1) to thank him and 2) to ask him where he learned how to create the light portion.   :?

I'd like to learn to create my own light sessions so if anyone has any reference links or tutorials please let me know.  I do have the lexedit software but I'm clueless when it comes to what color, frequency, intensity, contrast values to use.

Also, I heard that he possibly has a one hour session somewhere?

Scott

Quote from: Slider on July 18, 2015, 00:50:57
Hi drexal,

I've been trying to Astral Project/phase on and off (more off) for the past 10 years.  Still trying to get the first one!

I've had my Laxman for a few weeks but had to wait over a week to receive a micro SD card with a Mini SD adapter.  I want to put all additional and newly created sessions on the add on card and keep the 1GB portion with the firmware and original sessions pristine.  So far that has been my only beef with the Laxman, you can barely find Mini SD cards anymore!  The people at Neutronics informed me that they are redesigning to accept Micro SD cards.

Anyway...

Yes the file above is the entire 30 minute L#3 session.  As I understand, Lionheart only used the light (no sound or Mp3) with the L#3 session.

I have only used the L#3 session once.  I was really kind of skeptical because it is only white light and no sound, but wow... it is everything that everyone has said about it.  When it was over I was in such a relaxed state... unfortunately my chatty mind started right up and I had the urge to roll over that I couldn't control.  :x Grrr...

I wish LionHeart was still around 1) to thank him and 2) to ask him where he learned how to create the light portion.   :?

I'd like to learn to create my own light sessions so if anyone has any reference links or tutorials please let me know.  I do have the lexedit software but I'm clueless when it comes to what color, frequency, intensity, contrast values to use.

Also, I heard that he possibly has a one hour session somewhere?

Scott

Thanks Slider, I thought it came with some music as well so thats why i thought the file size would be bigger. l'll have to give it a try but like you i need to buy an external card.

This is where i am confused its not a micro SD card but a mini SD card which is needed?  Seems strange they didn't use the micro SD cards. Any ideas in the UK where is the best place to pick one up online? Also there appears different types of cards so i want to make sure I get the right one. I suppose I could go your route Slider and use a mini SD adapter with a micro SD card. That would probably be better.

Cheers.

Hi Drexal

As an alternative to buy online you have to DealExtreme , I'll leave a link with various vendors and products according to your need .

http://www.dx.com/s/mini+sd :wink:

Laxman supports Mini SD card, but you can use an adapter containing a micro sd card. According to the manufacturer references works just as well.
example : http://www.dx.com/p/transflash-microsd-to-mini-sd-converter-card-5341#.VaoFNvl_NBc

 You guys don't need a extra card of any kind unless you plan on creating a number of other programs yourself. The card it comes with has plenty of room on it. I have not only the programs that comes with it and some I made myself, but I have also purchased 2 other full sized "Albums" from Neurotronics and I still don't have a separate/extra SD card. Just saying!

My initial purchase of just the machine along with the sessions it came with were enough to keep me busy for a couple of years. Sure you can use Lax-edit for creating more sessions/programs if you would like to. But why don't you just get used to what's on it first.

Scott (Slider), all the info you need to make your own session(s) can be found in the manual. Do some experimenting. That's half the fun of the machine!  :wink:

Lumaza

Are right , but unfortunately in my case is the only way to add new content to Laxman . Because as you will see in the capture, I always get that error message , regardless of the PC on which you connect . I am resigned addition is not a critical issue for me, otherwise I am very satisfied.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2070227/ErrorUSB.png)

Reference mini SD card
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2070227/LaxmanMiniSD.png)

Quote from: Javier on July 18, 2015, 07:43:21
Hi Drexal

As an alternative to buy online you have to DealExtreme , I'll leave a link with various vendors and products according to your need .

http://www.dx.com/s/mini+sd :wink:

Laxman supports Mini SD card, but you can use an adapter containing a micro sd card. According to the manufacturer references works just as well.
example : http://www.dx.com/p/transflash-microsd-to-mini-sd-converter-card-5341#.VaoFNvl_NBc

Thanks for the link Javier - looks good and cheap prices.

Quote from: Lumaza on July 18, 2015, 07:50:46
You guys don't need a extra card of any kind unless you plan on creating a number of other programs yourself. The card it comes with has plenty of room on it. I have not only the programs that comes with it and some I made myself, but I have also purchased 2 other full sized "Albums" from Neurotronics and I still don't have a separate/extra SD card. Just saying!

My initial purchase of just the machine along with the sessions it came with were enough to keep me busy for a couple of years. Sure you can use Lax-edit for creating more sessions/programs if you would like to. But why don't you just get used to what's on it first.

Scott (Slider), all the info you need to make your own session(s) can be found in the manual. Do some experimenting. That's half the fun of the machine!  :wink:

Hi Lumaza,

Understand what you are saying and there is loads of stuff preinstalled on the machine and i've been impressed with the stuff I've heard so far. However i have a huge collection of music which i would love to use with the laxman. Its all ambient / meditation stuff and it will take me way over the preinstalled 1GB so i just wanted to get it on there as quickly as possible as some of the stuff I have, I absolutely love listening too even before I had a meditation machine such as the Laxman.

Now i have the Laxman i really want to try it out on it.

Quote from: Javier on July 18, 2015, 08:11:11
Lumaza

Are right , but unfortunately in my case is the only way to add new content to Laxman . Because as you will see in the capture, I always get that error message , regardless of the PC on which you connect . I am resigned addition is not a critical issue for me, otherwise I am very satisfied.

My bad Javier!  :-(
I hadn't taken into account other countries that might not have compatible systems. I am happy you found a way around it though.

Quote from: drexal on July 18, 2015, 14:09:58
Hi Lumaza,

Understand what you are saying and there is loads of stuff preinstalled on the machine and i've been impressed with the stuff I've heard so far. However i have a huge collection of music which i would love to use with the laxman. Its all ambient / meditation stuff and it will take me way over the preinstalled 1GB so i just wanted to get it on there as quickly as possible as some of the stuff I have, I absolutely love listening too even before I had a meditation machine such as the Laxman.

Now i have the Laxman i really want to try it out on it.

I use my I-pod whenever I use a musical accompaniment with the Laxman. That way I can write a simple program/session, then test it with various Binaural Beats, Isochronic Tones, Hemi Sync or any kind of other meditation music, etc.. This works out great and never uses up my internal card.

Quote from: Lumaza on July 18, 2015, 19:03:14
I use my I-pod whenever I use a musical accompaniment with the Laxman. That way I can write a simple program/session, then test it with various Binaural Beats, Isochronic Tones, Hemi Sync or any kind of other meditation music, etc.. This works out great and never uses up my internal card.

Don't have an ipod. External SD card is the way to go as i will run out of space.

It looks like I'm a few posts behind.

Correct, you do no need to use an external card unless you have over 1GB of material.  I chose to go the external route to keep the internal 1GB pristine.  You can use a micro-SD card as long as you have a Mini-SD adapter... I finally found one on US Amazon.

Lumaza – Yes I do plan on experimenting, but I was hoping that there might be some resources such as this color does that, this frequency does this, and some contrast here will do this.  With that said, I have not read the whole manual yet.

I did open the L#3 session in Laxedit, so I guess I can do some dissecting there.  I think I need to extend the session another 10 minutes so I'll have to experiment on how to best do that.

I also have NP3, which I need to learn more about as well.  :-)  I'm going to create some subtle background music/sounds and see which one binaural beats or Isochronic tones will work better for me and link it to the L#3 session.

Had a good session last night, but when it was over old Chatty Cathy acted up...plus the thunderstorms that rolled through were very loud.

Hi guys,

not sure if this is allowed or the Mods will let me know.

Thought I would let people know that my Laxman is up for sale. Please contact me by PM if you're interested.

If this is not allowed then I apologise.

Thanks

I was wondering if Lion or someone else would have both the shorter version of L #3
AND
The hour long version...

If yes, Please e-mail it to me...

Thanks!

Quote from: groh1 on September 22, 2016, 19:13:11
I was wondering if Lion or someone else would have both the shorter version of L #3
AND
The hour long version...

If yes, Please e-mail it to me...

Thanks!

Its no longer available. Sorry!