Me vs Vibrations :(

[Astral_seeker]

I'm happy that I can quite easily reach the vibrational stage. It's been a long way to get there.

Unfortunately and since they're never the same, I never know what to do to be able to project.

Sometimes, they are wild and strong. In those case, I don't do anything and just go with the flow and I find myself in the astral realms.

a) However, recently has seen them being mild, soft. They can last quite a long time, for instance today I had them the entire morning. But I can't do anything when they are that weak. I try to strenghten them by imagining that I'm swinging or levitating but nothing works. Do you have the same problem ?

b) Another issue is that I never know when to move (supposing that I dont go with the flow) to exit my body. So, more often then not when I try to move, this is my body which moves. Never know if I have to move as soon as they come or if I have to let them grow ? (but what if they DON'T INCREASE ?)

I've found way more easy to project using the phasing method. Issue is that I don't always have dream images showing up. Sometimes I only have the vibrations and therefore I'm quite ****ed up not knowing what to do..

Do some people here have the same issue ?

[EscapeVelocity]

Astral_seeker, your experiences parallel my own some ten years ago: The vibrations went from being pretty easily manageable in order to create an exit, to where they softened or weakened; they became very comforting and welcome, yet they also became less manageable somehow, as a result. This was rather confusing to me, as well. I used to be able to just "rev" up the vibrations like imagining a helicopter lifting up.

I wonder if it has to do with our learning how to exit with a more sophisticated and increased consciousness?

The "vibes", as wonderful as they are when we learn to appreciate them, may only serve as a "bridging" mechanism to more advanced transitions...ie Phasing methods...which you have apparently experienced.

Once I had Phased a few times, I quickly realized a significant difference between these and my vibrational/RTZ/Etheric exits. Phasing doesn't require any physical-movement thoughts; initially, when a proper scene forms in front of you, you may feel the "movement" of entering the scene by stepping into it, but pretty quickly you realize that the "shift" is not in any way physical, but rather a simple mental/Intent decision.

As much as I liked the Vibes, I don't get them any more...it's all Phasing...

I think you are being challenged with finding the transition between these two methods and what that means within the evolving quality of your experiences and your consciousness.

Think about the differences between the two and you will begin to better understand the differences between Physical-World thinking and Non-Physical thinking.

[Astral_seeker]

Thanks for your reply. You're raising interesting points. I don't know neither what makes us experience either phasing or vibrations.

Phasing is way more easier because it doesn't involve the physical body. When I have the pictures I just imagine touching what I see. As you said, it's only mental. I don't have to move or think about anything physically related. It's a feeling, a will to touch - I use the sense of touch - what I see and automatically I'm there.

Vibrations are more challenging because only using mental affirmations doesn't work (so far). Therefore when feeling the vibrations, I stated "clarity now" and couldn't see, "I'm teleporting [name of the place] and it didn't work neither, "I'm floating" and nope didn't work neither.

So I'm there, vibrating like an idiot and not knowing what to do. When I try to move, my body moves and all is over ; when I do nothing, they fade out. This is annoying. I've been told to imagine some spheres to some specific points around my body and that will allow me to exit. Thought process must be that doing so I 'throw' my counsciousness is various parts in the space and that will lead my mind to project. Have to try, can't say if this work. Also been said to focus on the part of my body which seems to vibrate the most so that the vibrations increase in all my body, spreading out. Have to try this as well.

[FuzzyQuills]

Thanks for your reply. You're raising interesting points. I don't know neither what makes us experience either phasing or vibrations.

Phasing is way more easier because it doesn't involve the physical body. When I have the pictures I just imagine touching what I see. As you said, it's only mental. I don't have to move or think about anything physically related. It's a feeling, a will to touch - I use the sense of touch - what I see and automatically I'm there.

Vibrations are more challenging because only using mental affirmations doesn't work (so far). Therefore when feeling the vibrations, I stated "clarity now" and couldn't see, "I'm teleporting [name of the place] and it didn't work neither, "I'm floating" and nope didn't work neither.

So I'm there, vibrating like an idiot and not knowing what to do. When I try to move, my body moves and all is over ; when I do nothing, they fade out. This is annoying. I've been told to imagine some spheres to some specific points around my body and that will allow me to exit. Thought process must be that doing so I 'throw' my counsciousness is various parts in the space and that will lead my mind to project. Have to try, can't say if this work. Also been said to focus on the part of my body which seems to vibrate the most so that the vibrations increase in all my body, spreading out. Have to try this as well.

How's about imagining yourself floating upwards, rather than an affirmation? I was going to try that myself, but ever since winter hit where I am, the cold's completely nullified any sort of technique I had... Anyway, good luck getting out again.

[ThaomasOfGrey]

So I'm there, vibrating like an idiot and not knowing what to do. When I try to move, my body moves and all is over ; when I do nothing, they fade out.

I know this experience. You might not be deep enough to project. Some say that vibrations are a result of a de-synchronisation between your physical senses and mental senses. This transition seems to get less dramatic as you become less shocked by moving between the states. Some authors recommend that the point of feeling vibrations is too early in the process to exit and that you want to wait until you are on the other side of the transition and they calm down.

All of my wake induced experiences have been from this other side, but I mostly got there coincidently. When I experienced heavy vibrations and the rapid relaxation wave I was unable to remain calm enough to complete the process. It is also said that it is possible to induce the separation at this point with a very strong intent to grab a rope and climb for instance, however, like you I have found this results in my physical body moving.

[Astral_seeker]

How's about imagining yourself floating upwards, rather than an affirmation? I was going to try that myself, but ever since winter hit where I am, the cold's completely nullified any sort of technique I had... Anyway, good luck getting out again.

Like I said, just imagining myself going upwards didnt work when I tried. Maybe I have to try again. I'll keep this thread updates with my progress.

I know this experience. You might not be deep enough to project. Some say that vibrations are a result of a de-synchronisation between your physical senses and mental senses. This transition seems to get less dramatic as you become less shocked by moving between the states. Some authors recommend that the point of feeling vibrations is too early in the process to exit and that you want to wait until you are on the other side of the transition and they calm down.

All of my wake induced experiences have been from this other side, but I mostly got there coincidently. When I experienced heavy vibrations and the rapid relaxation wave I was unable to remain calm enough to complete the process. It is also said that it is possible to induce the separation at this point with a very strong intent to grab a rope and climb for instance, however, like you I have found this results in my physical body moving.

Well the other night when the vibes arose I imagined a sphere on a white side of my shoulder and then I felt dragged to my right. Issue is that this would never end, like being dragged to my right for a very long time without I could separate neither, so I dropped it.

I read one of William Buhlman's book last night and he said that when you feel the vibrations you have to focus your will outside of your body such as to your bedroom door or another room in your place. Will have to try.

This is really annoying, I dont know why I can't have images showing up anymore, it made the whole process be so easier, I just had to imagine touching them and I was "there".

[FuzzyQuills]

Just a question; how do you get to V-state?
I'm asking, because my "get-up-early" method doesn't work atm, like I said in my last post, it's too cold where I am to do that...

And you said that imagining a sphere to your right shoulder "pulls" you, but you still couldn't get out? How's about moving that sphere as you get pulled? 

[Lumaza]

Just a question; how do you get to V-state?
I'm asking, because my "get-up-early" method doesn't work atm, like I said in my last post, it's too cold where I am to do that...

If you are still feeling the cold, your focus is still on your physical body. I live in Northern Minnesota and I can still Phase any time of the year. You need to find a focus technique that brings you so deep that you forget your physical body altogether.

This is the second time I have seen you post that it is too cold to attempt.

[FuzzyQuills]

If you are still feeling the cold, your focus is still on your physical body. I live in Northern Minnesota and I can still Phase any time of the year. You need to find a focus technique that brings you so deep that you forget your physical body altogether.

This is the second time I have seen you post that it is too cold to attempt.

Where else did I post that? Anyway, it's not really that as such, it's the fact that the cold put's my body to sleep, whereas normally, it's warm enough for me to remain awake when my body drifts off... Long story short, the old "sleep, then wake up" method's been stuffed around by the cold...

Of course, I am yet to try again, it would mean going to bed earlier for whichever night I pick...

[Lumaza]

Where else did I post that?

In this post on the thread on "Cycling". http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cycling-t45973.0.html;msg358071#msg358071

What I meant is that the cold or heat should not be an issue if you are creating a strong NP focus. It may be a obstacle, but there are many obstacles that you need to overcome in this practice in general, just as there are in life in general. Obstacles are put in your way to help you learn and grow.

I have a medical condition as well that has to do with my facial nerves spasming severely. Pills/Pharmaceuticals only helped to calm the situation so much. If I was to continue to explore the NP consciously aware, I needed to find a new way to Phase. This was very challenging to overcome, but I did it and am actually still altering my technique all the time. You will find, as many do, that you have early success, but then it goes away. It goes away because you are being challenged to create anew. Now is the time for thinking outside of the box. Common sense comes into play here as well!  I take it as "a test of will".

[Aquarius94N]

about 2 years ago when i last took up AP discipline. I made it to the stage of vibrations, had a partial and then i stopped practicing.

From what Ive read, you have to wait for the vibrations to stop before you try to get out but.. ive also read the vibrations can "push" you out idk.


Once the vibrations hit, i noticed unlike last time, i could withstand their sensations. before i would "squirm" around because it was too intense/ticklish. once i stopped moving, the vibrations would return again too intense to stand. I do not know if my physical body was moving or my astral self. so this time when i could stand them i just felt them for awhile. and then i figured hey, i better try to get out! so i lifted my head and peaked around my room, i saw a bunch of numbers scratched? into the door and they were all sporadically moving around. i "grabbed" the blankets, and was trying to get them off of me. i couldnt. its as if i could grab things, touch them, but couldnt move the blanket off of me. so i just sort of roll out of bed. at this point i am extremely disoriented and hazy. i see my dog run into the room (he was outside when i was meditating) and i notice/exclaim to myself that he had eaten all the oreo's! (slipped into a dream? cause that wasnt real)

so my question is.. if astral world and the dream world, overlap from time to time. just like the physical world overlaps with the astral.. then... wtf is the dream plane..