Request for advice to get back on track

[fcojosedea]

Hi everyone!
I am immensely interested on OBEing, I would like to find a mentor, or here friends that could help.
A few years ago, while in college, I had a fair amount of OBEs (about 60) which I could induce almost weekly and with about 70% success rate.
I have now about 3-4 years without being able to, I haven't been able to know why.
When I analyze what is different for me than it was me then, it is soooo much that I don't seem to pinpoint the problem.
Could you give me any advice?
Or has this happened to someone else and been able to overcome it?
Thanks a lot!

[Bloodshadow]

Hello and welcome fellow projector. Wow 60 projections that's awesome. Have you been keeping a journal of you adventures, it can really help with situations like this? with me I've been in a long dry spell as well. I find that meditating and watching a lot of vids and reading others experience help in spire and put you in the mood before laying down to induce. And also recreating the situations that brought you to projecting, like the position you were laying, and the method you used, and even somehow incorporate the feeling in there too. can't wait to hear about some of you experiences, again welcome to The Pulse.

also here is a method you can work with, that worked twice for me:

well there is no easy ways to do it, you have to go thru the process of getting to it, but i shall give you  my method that worked at least twice for me
try my arm method it might work for you.....


i lay there with my arm up waiting on the body to fall asleep, ignoring all the itching and ticks the body does to mess with you, if need be i dabble just a bit in the images but stay focus on my arm, if i fall asleep my arm will fall waking me up, putting me in the right state of mind, then i put my arm back up staying aware, then the body easily falls to sleep, and you will know because the arm starts to inch its way down, and when its all the way down, the body is sleep, just wait 5-10 mins and your body go into Sleep Paralysis, and all thats left is an exit techniques......

[Szaxx]

I can assume you know of the uncertainty principle and although Heisenberg doesn't apply in detail, there's that speculation on the energies utilised can be variant in nature which when applied leads to the old saying of 'what works today, will not tomorrow'.
The art of projection applies in this manner which could be one of many reasons why your success rate is negligible at present.
In order to aid your endeavors it would be pertinent to know of the approach and methods used previously so we can give you a pointer towards success.
What your environments consisted of once 'out there'also will speak volumes.
At present the general success rate is low for many so patience is a requisite virtue.

[Subtle Traveler]

Welcome, Francisco!

[Lumaza]

 For some reason lately you have to work extra heard to pierce the "veil". But it can be done.

Sometimes a look back through memory lane is what it takes. In other words, return to your initial Journals and go back to square one again. I found that the more I learned about projection through videos and books, the harder it got to project. I had to find something, a technique I was comfortable with. Then I honed it and shaped it to a way that fit perfect for me personally.

We always say it takes a strong focused will and intent. But it also takes common sense. Patience, practice and perseverance will get you back in the saddle again. Just like my "sig" says here "  To be successful with Astral Projection/Non Physical Exploration, your will to succeed must be much stronger than your acceptance of failure".

You have come to the right place Fcojosedea. If you are willing to do the work, I know others here and I also would be happy to "tutor" you. I will say though, I have attempted to tutor many people in the past and the success rate isn't as high as I would have liked. But like I say, if you are dead serious about this, we can help you fulfill your wishes.

[fcojosedea]

Thank you Bloodshadow and Saxx for your answer, I will talk further on how I achieved it.

First let me tell you that I don't fall asleep easily (specially back then), I could spend an hour in bed to fall asleep.

There were two times I practiced: One is on a free day I would sleep only 6-7 hours, wake up and go by with my day up until afternoon after my meal. The other time I did this was after 6 hours of sleep, I woke early and went to college for a short class, about 4 hours after waking up and not having eaten anything I went back home and did my practice.

The practice: I laid down on my back (I couldn't fall asleep on my back) and I reapeated an affirmation (curiously unrelated to OBEing, if it was related it brought excitement and didn't work) over and over. I did this for a while, probably 45min, my best cue to the next step is that my hand or leg jerked once (like the occasional jump when you are falling asleep), then I turned on my side, continued repeating the affirmation until I fell asleep (which was pretty quickly). Later, probably about 20min, I would wake up with vibrations or a "fluidic" feeling and I could leave my body at that point.

My experiences were varied, plenty of them included the bedroom or the place where I wanted to project, a few with strong feeling experiences, and a few with very blissfull abstract places. Most of them very short.

I did that technique once a week and had 70%-80% success.


Now the differences I notice is that I fall asleep more easily. I now can fall asleep while lying on my back. When I successfully do everything, after falling asleep, 10min probably, I wake up but with no feeling and just completely retsted and fully awake, I can meditate but no OBE.

[fcojosedea]

Thanks Lumaza for your answer.

I completely understand what you say about reading on OBEs. Back then I studied a lot of physics/math, now I have read way more on OBE's and spiritual matters and I see how much data in my mind clouds things instead of shedding light on it. But reading the topic infuses motivation in me which is also very required.

Wanting to OBE broght me to a whole change of my life, to a whole world of spirituality that I was ignoring and possibilities on explorations.
I am really serious about achieving consistent OBE, it is one of my main goals right now.

[LightBeam]

Now the differences I notice is that I fall asleep more easily. I now can fall asleep while lying on my back. When I successfully do everything, after falling asleep, 10min probably, I wake up but with no feeling and just completely retsted and fully awake, I can meditate but no OBE.

Hi fcojosedea, I also use a technique while falling asleep. My suggestion is to go to bed 1/2 hr prior to your usual bed time when you get sleepy, in order to hold your focus on a technique for at least 20 min.

[Bloodshadow]

hmmm from my understanding you start on your back, then when the sensation that eggs you to switch positions you actually do it, and continue with your process? most expert projectors say to ignore the position change sensations, now i'm wondering if they were right. I mean tossing and turning is part of the process of sleep, getting into a comfortable positioning, then you start reaching these altered states of consciousness, and as long as you are aware you can even project from it awesome, I might actually start doing this and see how it works out.

[Lumaza]

hmmm from my understanding you start on your back, then when the sensation that eggs you to switch positions you actually do it, and continue with your process? most expert projectors say to ignore the position change sensations, now i'm wondering if they were right. I mean tossing and turning is part of the process of sleep, getting into a comfortable positioning, then you start reaching these altered states of consciousness, and as long as you are aware you can even project from it awesome, I might actually start doing this and see how it works out.

You need to ignore them to a point. Earlier in the process it is okay to scratch a itch or re-position a arm or leg. But as you get deeper, you convince your body that that you are asleep by not moving at all. You can turn off that itch or impulse to move by simply focusing on a point of direction or a part of the body completely opposite of you body. (I use a point at the bottom or under my feet). Hence entering "mind awake/body asleep.

A good practice before you do this is to do some kind of "progressive relaxation". It doesn't have to be long or complicated. With practice you can do a good one in about 3-5 minutes.

LIghtbeam's tech (which I thoroughly enjoy) involves creating a swaying or focus on some kind of thing that creates motion. She does that as she falls asleep. You could use a "hammock" swinging motion. You could be swaying in the waves from a boat, etc. It doesn't matter as long as it is a swaying focus or body related motion.