One thing to remember with any pyschotropic drugs, there is always an element of "did it really happen?" Drugs do have benefits, and I'm not degrading them, but when a substance is required to enter another realm the thin line between halluncinations and visions becomes obscured.
But don't take me the wrong way, I too have had feelings of unity on mushrooms. My sense of self almost dissolved as my lower body meshed into and become the earth. I had no concept of legs and couldn't understand why we needed them anyway. There was a deep appreciation and love for the earth. But when I came out of that, I'm now left questioning if my love was "true" at that time.
-Ted
themadness:
when you put it that way, the exact same can be said about astral projecting, or anything in relation to that matter. Its common belief that drugs just make you hallucinate and mess your mind, but really most of the experiences closley resemble the spiritual experiences. Personally I don't see a difference between asking, was this trip real? or, was this spiritual experience real?
Thx logic for clearing that up [8D] If you really want to know whats real...lol snack on this "distorted bit of a memory"
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/24190 Anyway, the only time I've ever left my body was that trip and I merged with my higher self for a brief moment and ten trillion full body orgasms and a backrub still couldn't describe that feeling. When the other side looks you dead in the eyes, able to look back at them and read the future.... it becomes real. lol, sorry to get all serious......blaze it~~~
Chad
Aw man...i've been thinking about trying ye old Magic shrooms for some time now....your post has just settled the moral dabate....ALTERED STATE HERE I COME!!!
What i'm thinking is that if i get a wee helping hand from the mushrooms then i'll know what to strive or feel for when i attempt to recreate the experience again on my own....sorted....cheer muchly
Hum... for me, using shrooms is like having sex while being drunk (maybe not the best example but I can't find another one [:D]). You might not get much out of your experience... Also, some people think that it's too strong on the body...
So, my advice: take your time; don't try to rush...
I really dont think the sex while drunk thing is very close. Its more like dying and being reborn. Anyone whos seen the 3 panel classic of Alex Grey's 'journey of the wounded healer' knows what I mean http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/jrny1.html you cant compare that kind of experience to anything in life. To realize christ conciousness, and to fill you body with nothing but love for the divine...... I dont see a pricetag. They are not an end in themselves, they are simply a means to see the end of the tunnel (death/future). http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/trns-2.html mabey that one will explain it. or I love this one http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/wndr.html the point is.... that is reality and this is the dream we are in now. The 4th/ 5th dimentions that surround are unfiltered pure spirit travel that is very real. The future is in that bag......lol......for real. Meditation + Mushrooms = Find your meaning. [;)][;)][;)]
Chad
I really enjoy Alex Grey's work! I own a print of http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/wndr.html (Zena Gazing at the Moon - Wonder)
You bring a good point, Logic. It's hard to discern what is real - from drug trips to spiritual trips. You could say that my thoughts and experiances are so heavily influenced by outside sources (food choices, others' thoughts, books, etc.) that placing drug induced trips below spiritual trips is trivial - that getting power from the mushroom is no different than getting power from bread. And I would agree with that, but I still feel as drugs can open things in your mind and body that you might not be able to handle. Things that can overpower you and leave you in a changed state that you might not desire.
Hey, I suppose Zen could do that, too! ;) lol It's just some of the harder drugs today have such a purely negative energy that I'm turned off to everything but mary, shrooms, and alcohol.
LeCosmic, do try and go with someone who has done it before. It helps. Cheers!
I have one thing to say about psylocibin mushrooms and other psychadelics: don't ever understimate them. They truly incorporate the duality of this world and can be both terrible and wonderful, (sometimes at the same time). To say or even insinuate someone would have "a good time" or discover inner peace for sure under the influence of these substances is not wise because many/most are not prepared for the "trip". Furthermore the "trip" is really much more than a word like that can convey. The trip is different for everyone and might drive some mad. The main thing to know is that what they do to you is influenced only by the totally subjective experience of the individual. Therefore, for example, when the mind's eye overlays 3D hallucinations onto your reality and they just happen to be sadistic and violent (or confusing and depressing), what's going to keep you from acting out irrationally and hurting yourself or someone else? Or what if someone couldn't stand a backwards fall into the vortex of introspection while thinking about 12 things at once? If you know what I mean by that then, nevermind...
The last time I "tripped" on "shrooms" was the time I realized that I didn't need drugs to enjoy this life to the maximum and in fact realized that recreational drug abuse or use of any kind made me a less productive and happy being. But some of us need to learn that the hardway...and it can take time.
Right on madness thats what im saying. The kundalini is not for everyone but many universes lie within for those who want to. That too cool you have the Wonder piece, I wish I did.
Peacful-
I agree they tell you that you dont need anything... thats the best part. But I think its wrong to say to someone 'oh if you start flippin, remember its just a hallucination, because what the 'bad trip' is, is the person not being able to handle a part of themselves (chakras). If they lie to themselves and say its a hallucination you create tug of war with the mushies which Im sure you know isn't fun. My point being people shouldn't take them whatsoever unless its for Gnosis/Magick/Spiritual purposes. Those are the only set/settings. The mystery is waiting to be experienced through such mediums. An initiation.
MushieMagick, how many grams did you take and what was the dosage of the kind of mushrooms you ate?
Both times have been just PS Cubensis that had people who had alot of experience growing them. Its a belife just from talking to people on shroomery.org that mushrooms are more grower dependent on quality whereas cannabis' quality comes from genetics. The obvious execption would be Stropharias!!! Never had them but i know their power. Many indians wont eat that specific variety and some others wont consume anything but them. I usually fast all day and eat a lite meal and take a cleansing shower, afterwhich 4-5 grams is the usual. I can never seem to find them around here but as of yesterday I was informed of thier return to my area in Cali 8DDDD. Next week well see how far I can fall into the depths without dying. Actually I took someone really really bad to the forest and ate and then I brought them into my circle. They brought very bad energy into the area and I (trying to pry him out of his little personal hell) kept telling him to let go and get up. Then (I had another friend their luckily) as I was paying attention to my friend, this dude starts to grab onto me and his demon was entering my body (we realized how cold it was and had no more warmth in a huge forest peaking, all of us hudled) EVERYTIME I switched my attention to my friend, his demon would telepathicly demand "NO, PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE" You gotta realize I am made of music. I was in a bad situation without any music (wheres Maynard when you need him, lmao) So there was this verbal battle of sorts in which I have never been in more of a serious hell realm. The once beautiful moon became very red and I COULD NOT focus or concentrate on ANYTHING. Everytime I would think 1 though... the negative energy would delibrately confuse me. When we got back this dude (not realizing what had happened) asked me if I was ok!!! I was sick for a day and then the next, only 2 days after the worst/greatest learning experiennce, I experienced the union and a connection to the divine. I knew why it (the so called bad trip) had happened, so with such knowledge I went back for a rematch and I thank the force I did....lol
Life Is A Trip
Chad
I'm going to trip again soon. Not sure what kind it is I get, but a friend and my girlfriends wants to try them (they've never done them) because she has been getting into the metaphysical side of things with me (we both just received a reiki attunement), and has heard all my tripping stories and wants to try.
Anyhow for first timers, I'm going to give them 2 caps and about 3 stems a piece, if after an hour they're not feeling much, i'll give them another cap. I usually eat about 1/2 of an 1/8th, and that is enough to trip balls as we say round here. Definately don't want to give too much to someone for their first time. I wigged out the first time I ever tripped, but I don't regret the experience.
By the way TOOL(Maynard) pointed me down my spiritual path. And, there's nothing like listening to Lateralus while shrooming.
Oh by the way. For first timers. Do not rush this experience. My recommendations, is to wait for a day where it is beautiful outside. And, be somewhere where you don't have to deal with anyone who you don't want to know what you're doing. It can be easy to be set on a bad train of thought and you don't want that. I always thoroughly enjoy being outside. Dakrness can be a little scary sometimes.
I'm sorry, I don't believe it, it also doesn't have anything to do with an OBE.. it is just killing braincells, and in my oppinion, it's nothing but one big illusion.. illusions can feel real, because in that state, you don't know better. this does not mean I don't believe in OBE (I never experienced an OBE before, I'm just a beginner which started just 3 weeks ago). So I just want to experience an OBE without any drugs.
I only want to get "real" instead of being a junk. [:)]
Kajz, where have you perceived this idea that mushrooms kill braincells, this is something unheard of to me. Usually things like that and "lsd makes your brain leak blood" is some garbage rumor of propaganda started by government parties or people to scare uneducated kids away from drugs.
I may not know what your idea of "real" is, but I see no difference between doing OBEing on substance or natural, except for the fact that when you do it naturally your acctually learning something. Your mind, body and soul are interpreting external information in a different way than you normally would, so the idea that one is more real than the other dosent exactly make sense to me.
In my opinion, reality is what you make it, and how you perceive it.
Then you've never done it Kajz. You can read about it and inform yourself, but you have no clue until you do it, it's not like drinking or smoking or anything, not even close.
If you want some good reading on the topic, check out 'BE HERE NOW' or pick up The Sacred Mirrors by Alex Grey. Also search the net for people's stories, 1000s of people in different countries aren't collaborating to make this stuff up.
i personally believe you are all just hallucinating, you can argue that as much as you want and it wont change my mind as you are on drugs at the time and have no idea...
yeah it might feel good but you seem to not want to accept the fact that there are consequences.
and ok so what if im wrong?... well then its the weaks way and you are no further spiritually as you are dependent on drugs to get there.
i only have respect for those who put in the work to get what they want and dont resort to the easy way out.
Yeah it may seem harsh.. but why pull punches on what i feel
-Syke
I do it maybe twice a year. I'm not dependent on it personally. But as far as it being hallucination, sure some of it is, just as some of what you see in the astral is.
All of it being just my imagination though? Nope. My friend and I were finishing each others thoughts outloud, things that had nothing to do with what was going on on the outside. And, discussed when sober to confirm that I wasn't creating it all in my head.
My other friend, who is not in the least bit spiritual, the first time we ever tripped, he said for about 3 hours he felt like his back was to the ceiling and he was watching everything from above us, could see himself laying there on the floor and everything.
I do not think people should depend on drugs or do them often if at all. But, you cannot say that it's all BS, there are plenty of books out there on the subject. Check out some of Alex Grey's work, read Be Here Now, then there's DMT the spirit molecule (something like that).
Sure syke, I agree with your descision towards drug use, but have you acctually taken any initiative towards seeking the alternative possibilities? How do we not know your the only one whos hallucinating when you try and project, after all your the one whos stimulating the seretonin and melatonin productoin in your brain, so why not? Yes, many people have had spiritual experiences accompanying drug use, but that might not necisarilly be the motivation behind it.
Some people choose to use them for fun, others for health, spirituality and sometimes, abuse. Just because some one uses drugs dosent mean they dont put work into practicing their spirituality, I for one do both and I am happy with my progression.
There are mushrooms, poisoneous mushrooms and mushrooms that stayed too long out of the fridge - these last one are poisonous too...
ANy how, just to add a few words, Mandrake (like in Harry Potter) is a plant that is well known to induce what is clinically called hallucinations. And that's how the witches are flying, by getting intoxicated with Mandrakes and possibly having induced OBEs. One of the explanation is that these plants are able to produce an OBE. This comes to the next step which is actually that some people using other drugs do actually (when they overdose) induce what seem to be OBE. I have read some accounts of such "experiences" on the site of NDE, since these people were actually in a "coma" state, and while in the coma they saw themselves from outside their body. One account is about this guy who freaks out when he realised he is kind of dead. Eventually He calls for help and here comes to the rescue his Guardian (higher self?) and takes him for a ride in the astral realm... All these seems to be more like OBE (though clinically classified as halucinations), usually very close to the physical plane.
And again and again let me refer you to the NDE site, where the initial start of the NDE is actually almost always an OBE in the real plane http://www.iands.org/
However, I do agree with Sike, that I would rather OBE all by myself without any "external" assistance ...
As to the potential physical harm these can cause,.. I do not know, but I'll give as answer what I have heard from a physician talking about the exctasy pills "these chemicals are never found naturally in the human body, not even in very small amounts and none knows what they do to the body, so I would not try that on myself for any reason on earth even if you give me 10,000 dolllars"... just by precaution.
I like mushrooms with roasted walnuts and tofu, slightly fried, over brown rice with some dill and raisins too... delicious.
Shaman The Dreamer
People eat meat, but the human body dosent digest its own 'meat'.
I think Logic brought up a really good point here.
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Some people choose to use them for fun, others for health, spirituality and sometimes, abuse. Just because some one uses drugs dosent mean they dont put work into practicing their spirituality, I for one do both and I am happy with my progression
I think we should concern ourselves with looking at the bigger picture and not being as judgmental. Remember what HH Dalai Lama said that there are many paths up the mountain. Granted, drugs may lead to abuse and turn from a guide to a slipping point.
Though this may seem to rationalize use, I feel that if psychotropic mushrooms evolved, they did so for a reason - whether it be as a defense mechanism to stop animals from eating them or as a tool to assist consciousness. When you stop and think about any "drug", it is hard to see what substance isn't a drug. What about the tea you drink? The stimulants released when you bite into your favorite food? Where do they fit in the scheme of things?
I am on the same page with Logic. The only drug I will still do is mushrooms and maybe acid again (but this is very rare). But, I do them because of the spiritual aspects, and I do attempt to progress naturally, without an aid or whatever you want to call it.
LSD is what basically set me on the path to seek spiritual truth.
Oh, and ecstacy is nothing like shrooms, nada.
ok,
Logic and Seeker.... Much Love.
I would really like to expand on this idea of the word drug. TV IS A DRUG. Believe it or not. Money is God to most. A drug is something external that changes internal processing. When you bond with a plant such as the sacred mushroom you enter directly underneeth the Great Pyramid, inside all the coffins ever known. You dive into their minds as well as the Mayan and learn of time being different from what were taught. We are poised for full on evolution awakening and were using the generalization "drug"?? The mushroom is no shortcut. LMFAO!!! This is the last thing ever. It is but a complex look at our potential and a kiss of the Universal Mind and heaven. Let me ask you all something. If your a higher mind and you want these simple humans to understand complex natures of the universe do you write a book watered down with mans ego or do you create unusually looking plants to !!!SHOW!!! them how to evolve through the medium of Uncondional Divine Love and Music, the manifestation of the Pure Harmony? The Mushroom is initiating yourself into the Higher Mysteries. Look....I mean LOOK at Alex Grey's work. Feel his work with your heart. LISTEN to TooL. You dont have to like them, but what Im saying is look and listen to whats happening. That other side reached by the mushroom is blending with our dimension as we speak. We are intering the Fifth World and I can smell the transformation on the horizon. What im telling you is as real as you "can ever suppose" and these plants are ready for us to start to tune in to the new frequency and tune to the light. ~Watch the Weather change, Mention this to me.....Mention something, mention anythiiiiinnnnngg....... Watch the weather change~ - TooL
ok,
Logic and Seeker...Much Love!!!
First of all, there are no 'shortcuts'. Our language binds us to such meanings and terms that are not important whatsoever. The mushrooms simply initiates one to the higher mysteries. Watch the TooL - 'Parabola' video and that will be the last video you ever need to see. It's time for us humans to change from our material lead into spiritual gold of awakening to the Divine Music of the Cosmos that has always been with us. Think about it. Check out TooL/APC, Alex Grey, Bill Hicks, Tim Leary, and just the flow of our entire history bubbleling at the suface. The other side is bleeding over. Psychedelics are a trip to the Great Pyramids. They are lying in the coffins and listening to the Elders sing. But soon.....very soon, you will not need psychedelics!! They have shown me this. Look at Alex Grey, Bill Hicks, Tim Leary, Terence McKenna, and TooL/APC. The future is here. We are creating it. That is what the mushrooms says "The kindom of heaven is within you. If you choose to let go, I will take you beyond the heavens" We are on this earth to connect to other forms of life ('symbiosis') and personally I think generalizing "drugs" is at the top of the temple thats collapsing as we speak. Its an illusion that you need deprive yourself of the Food of the Gods, if your truly seeking. Its so great to see people who feel what im saying. But read what I originally posted. I've gave an experience that was more real than me typing this, and what I was wondering was how this ties into the astral or OBE as 'shaman' was heading towards. I KNOW they tie in, I'd just like to hear how one thinks seeing a million divine puzzle pieces flow in golden light to the Mystery with LUCID vision, could tie into the astral. To sit for 4 hours in full vision of the divine play of the cosmos, while letting your heart guide you to leave your body and connect to your higher self....um...... can you put a price on that???
cool....it pasted both things I wrote....right on.... does anyone understand what im trying to say?
Yep! its nice to see some one who understands where I'm comming from when I talk about 'drugs'. Usually when I try to talk in any type of forum or chat, im riduculed for my beliefs towards them. By the way, have you ever heard of DMT? do some research on that, I'm sure you will be more than satisfied with what you find.
What is the mushroom realm? Never heard of it.
jc84,
It is the realm where you realize all potential that is within you. It simply shows you that the universe is very alive, and wants you to sit down and find a connection (back) to the source. All I got to say is read Terence McKenna if you reeeally want to know.
http://www.deoxy.org/mckenna.htm
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/11
Logic--
I have read about what is the strongest psychedelic (you wanna talk shorcuts here..lol), It takes one ~right next to death~ which is what all mediums do yet this chemical does it in 10 or so mintutes and that it. When McKenna gave it to some Buddhist friends in India I believe it was, and they said it was the 'Lesser Lights' and said its the closest the bardo that one can get to without falling right into it (death). I've never had the chance to try. You never really here of it around and I dont think its that easy to cultivate. I will have to look further into it now that you reminded me.[:D]
~cough http://www.hands-onhealth.com/wake_up.html cough~
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Thanks for telling me what it is!
I ate some with my girlfriend Monday night, her first time. Was an awesome experience :).
What you guys do?
Well, I didn't give her that much, since she's never done it. At first she was amazed by the slight visuals she had, was watching the carpet move and such. It was very mild for me because of experience but I was just chilling out feeling connected.
I finally got her to go sit on the front porch with me (outdoors feels so good, and just right when you trip). I've never tripped with someone I love before, so it was a new feeling. She felt such a profound feeling of happiness and love that she just cried for about a half an hour.
She said when I was holding her that she could feel 'our energy' touching, then she felt like she was falling into me, and couldn't tell where she stopped and I started. I felt a lot of the same but I don't think as intense as she did. I can always feel my energy really easily when I do it, and a few times when we were holding each other I couldn't tell which part was me and what was her. I also had a feeling that we were trying to get to each other, but our physical bodies were blocking us..?
I had some other deep thoughts, but next time I trip, I'm going to go deeper down the rabbit hole, and take notes :).
Lovely :)
Where do I get these? It sounds awsome!
Hehe, I don't know, ask some kids that do drugs. And if you do, do it, don't eat too much, 2 caps + 2 stems = good 1st dose. But then again, that depends on the strength, but that should be a good amount.
Thats alot of shrooms, considering the size of the ones my friends get.
Wow! Thanks for the info!
How much do they cost? What part of the mushroom has the most trip?
Wow...
A woman that connects and lets go without fear is a definate keeper. I've never had anyone to connect to while in the ultimate reality, so I can only dream of such experiments. You can imagine how much power such couples can create as we see with Alex Grey and the power he brings to family. Try to begin by doing sort of an eye meditation on each other before they come on, staring deep in the eyes and soul, as well as the moment itself, to find the divinity in now. But you'll be on here in a while schooling me if you keep to that path with your heart set on her...
Chad
Thanks Mushie, I plan on keeping her :). Cap is the most trip corvette. But, there are differnt types of shrooms, so it's hard for me to say how much to eat w/out knowing what they look like.
I think 5 mushrooms, cap and stem, is good. Lol... mabey 10!!
Thanks for the info.
5-10! WOW thats a lot! How much do they cost?
lol....its usually around $25 an eigth. That like 3-4 mushrooms unless you get hooked up and luck out and get 5. Its best to grow them. After some experience, since they take 2-3 weeks to flower, you could have 2 flushes with a harvest every week. Think about a couple of ounces every week or 2. Got so many you dont even know what to do with them. While McKenna was trying to get his book published he grew and sold shrooms and completely supported himself until his grow guide was finished. I dont know whether or not you should test the water with a toe or bounce on the diving board to see how much splash you can make, thats your decision, but I'd recommend some prayer and meditation with a goal for the night and just suicide with 5-6 grams. I'd fast all day with a lite meal before consumption. But if you dont put yourself around nature or evolutionary music, you chance a big challenge. Create your own heaven, it's waiting for you!!!
Chad
Once I live on my own again (back with parents) I will grow my own, but will not eat them too often, not something you can really do everyday.
And J8, if you do get some, go with about a third of an 1/8th for your first experience, and make sure it's a happy environment. You could eat half an 1/8th, but you might freak out :).
Hello there,
Just a quickie as I'm at work!!
I've never taken any drugs, yet...
That said I have read DMT Spirit Molecule, and would like to try this or ayahuasca one day, when the time is right. I'm just starting for the first time in my life to want to try some of things for myself. I've always been very cynical about 'external' aids to spiritual development. But some of what I've read (including a lot of Terrence McKenna) lately has made me think twice.
I'm going to the workshop in November, so I don't want to try anything before hand in case it messes up my natural abilities, which are doing quite nicely as it is. But when I return my mushrooms should just about of finished growing...
Hi Caroline, I was thinking about buying that book myself, how was it? I noticed it has Alex Grey artwork on it, if you want to read more on the topic, pick up Alex Grey's Sacred Mirror's or Transfigurations. But anyway, tell me about the DMT book, I was thinking of buying it.
It's very good, scientific. I got the feeling he was a little scared by what he found at times. There are two whole chapters dedicated to 'entity contact', something I think he was a little uncomfortable with at times, still there it was.
Another book I highly recommend is 'breaking Open the Head', there's a great chapter in there called, 'I smoked DMT'.
Well I'm going home early, my cat has to have some stiches out...
Thanks for the information!
I found a couple of website that I read some of that book and I must say those enity contacts are way too real. I think all psychedelics are different means to the same end, and it really makes me feel better when I read people that have also encountered higher beings. I wonder how its cultivated. I guess that would be a good chemical to see whos waiting to school you on the other side, whereas the mushies have an Other who guides trips to realms. Id love to try it. [:)][:)][:)][:)]
Just got Transfigurations and I thought Id seen it all with Sacred Mirrors. The Caveman speaking pure language with Psilocybe Mushrooms in his hand or the Adam and Eve with an apple in one hand and Psilos and Amantias in the other, with flowering female Cannabis plants on the bottom of the painting. I love that he put TooL's album cover sequence in there. I cant say enough about this book but buy it on Amazon now...lol. Have a happy Halloween everyone. I'll be in San Fran at Hollowfest, hope everyone finds something to dance to tonight!!
Chad
I've taken mushrooms and know the affects. I wouldn't necissarily take your word on anything that happened in a shroom trip because the real world itself and everything in it is 'not really real' when you're tripping. The mind plays incredible tricks on you. If it's not a sober experience, I question it's validity.
Define real please.
The mind plays tricks on your when you project also. And, it's good that you question the validity, you should always question! I've had some experiences validated with people I've been with.
For instace: My friend and I were finishing each other's thoughts outloud, thoughts that had nothing to do with what was going on outside of our minds. I thought for a moment (while shrooming) that I might have been creating it all with my mind. But, the next day we discussed it, and validated the experience.
I guess anything is possible. Mushrooms are definately fun to do, but one thing is for certain, you can't clear your mind. I'm not exactly sure how someone would go about even trying to project while they are shrooming, everything is just too strange. But who am I to say it can't happen? Maybe I'll just have to give it a whirl.
I've never had an OBE doing them, but if you do enough you might just be forced out. My friend was on LSD, and he is not spiritual at all, but he said for a few hours he had his back to the ceiling and was looking at me and him laying on the floor. But, he was sort of lost in deep thought so he didn't pay much attention to it, he just kinda chilled there.
There's this shroom that is ment for OBE's...Forgott the name. Bevis what was it?
I'm having a hard time believing. I've watched friends on shrooms who thought they had actually died and were now in the afterlife. I've tripped and believed I knew all the answers to existence, no questions asked. I mean, to believe that you are out of body would not be so uncommon to me. However, the defining factor is that once I am done tripping I remember everything but I am in the right frame of mind to know that it was just the drug, not real. So I guess maybe if someone remembered everything once they were sober and still believed that something beyond just the drug happened, then maybe it could be real. I'm just not sure, but I know that the whole purpose of doing drugs is to lose your mind. If you were happy with reality, then you wouldn't do drugs to try and escape from it. But when you escape from reality (which drugs undeniably) then how can you be 100% certain what is reality and what is hallucination? Keep in mind, hallucinations aren't always things you see that aren't real. A hallucination can be something you THINK that isn't real.
I've had the feeling of knowing the truth of existence, and have then gone on to read stuff that went along with the thoughts I was having.
Perhaps your friends were aware that they were indeed a soul, and not being used to this/combined with the drug, assumed they were dead.
ive done mushrooms too, and mushimagick im totally with what your saying. To many things seem to be pointing to a possible spiritual awakening in man...
The experience you have on mushrooms is beyond anything you could comprehend before doing them, for the people who think they have the right to say mushrooms are bad because they associate "drugs" with addiction, homelessness etc have no idea...
Theyll make you feel more conscious than you ever have, they make you realise what religion is, the point of it, the ideas of heaven and hell- all a state of being, you will know what buddha, jesus etc have encouraged us to do...
This higher and more evolved way of living...
when i was high on them, i could fully feel how everything was one, how the only real aspect within anything was consciousness- and that expanding this consciousness was the point of all existence.
I was so happy i was crying, and when i began meditating on the love i was feeling the sacred "AUM" started to resonate through me and everything- this made me realise what Buddhism was about- a complete visceral understanding of what heaven is meant to be..
This to me was a fullblown , valid spiritual experience- i now know what i am trying to acheive when i meditate, or why i want to learn how to OBE- to explore these very real, very happening planes of being.
I see in the future, science and psychology begin to understand eastern concepts such as yoga, and begin to take research into ESP and astral projection seriously, and discover the correlations between drug induced hightened states of consciousness and states reached in a natural meditative-trance state.
Thats why i look forward to all this 2012 stuff, its got me really excited thinking "what if something big is gonna happen which is gonna completely revolutionise life on earth" because since were beggining to take the metaphysical more seriously (the existence of the astral pulse for example) what if all these fragments of knowledge from all over come together and triggers a new age..
I would imagine your experience mushie may be reffering to this.
I see being on mushrooms as being closer to home, and closer to everything. i think the awareness of being on mushrooms will one day be our natural state, it seems so completely logical.
i always try and do a new drug, just to have a different experience of what it means to be alive.
hey guys, forgive the intrusion here I'm a newy online and just wanted to add abit bout shrooms...well drugs. I've done more than my fair share of them in my travells, and one of the best was in nepal on a shroom omelette, I had some with the locals and had the usual visuals but it wasnt until I was on my own late at night looking at the forest across the local lake the I could see the connection between everything (im talking about a real physical connecton) I could see a silver thread connecting everything to everything, the forest had a beautiful astral body that glowed...it was one of the best nights I've had, it left me with a profound peace.
One other thing I've noticed of late tho, the more I've meditated the less I've felt the urge to explore going thro that door...anyone else find that?
shanti
Hello RodentMouse, you put into words the feeling I get too. I can feel the interconnectedness of everything clearly, and I fell more concious than ever, and I realize that this is what I'm aiming for with meditation, etc.
Thanks for putting it into words so well [:D]
I wouldsay that psychedelics are ok to do for a while but meditation and naturally cultivated altered states is really where it's at-when you really get out there without drugs you know there is really something to this trip.
heres a song i wrote based on my mushroom experience, its called "edible heaven"
i tasted heaven, infinity, in space
freedom i lost myself
the now is mine
everything is love
pure bliss and joy
the source and i is heart and light
the planets just dissapeared
in a timeless state
where i did not exist
nothingness
a higher plane
where mind is mass
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
i tasted heaven, infinity, in space
heaven, samhadi, enlightenment, for US.
the song lasts about 15 minuites.
*clicks my lighter and waves in the air*
sounds like a tool song
I agree with Ralphm. Personally all mushrooms have ever done for me is make me laugh and feel happy. If for some reason I wanted to project while on them, I feel I would not have as much control on my etheric body and the experience in general as I do now.
Overall, we already possess all the faculties needed to expand our conciousness. To grow dependant on a crutch such as hallucinogens or other chemicals is just not necessary. But used as an aid to gain SOME (not all) of experience/feelings involved may help... but I see it as being the lazy man's way out and people will just end up being dependent on it.
-Peace-
I agree that we don't need them, but that doesn't mean I won't use them. I only do it rarely though, like 3-4 times a year.
And I only laugh and feel happy, if I don't eat that much. I've had way way more than that happen, you must not have really tripped. Alochol can make you laugh and feel happy, tripping is nothing like that.
Oh I ate enough and I knew that I could have tripped but I didn't allow it to happen.
As I stated before I don't need extra chemicals to help me "trip". I do just fine on my own.
[8D]
-Peace-
Hi MushieMagick!
My take on it, as someone who has entered into the states you've described through psilocybin, LSD, mescaline, some MDMA, and also through only pure meditation (or while having a particularly strong "spiritual moment" in my life), is that the use of these drugs (while mixed with strong spiritual intent) allows you to glimpse states of higher dimensional perception, call it 4th dimensional or 5th dimensional if you will... Due to my use of 4th dimensional as describing the movement of 3 dimensions through time, I prefer the 5th, although when you hear about the "5th dimension", this may be a different concept.
These are (I believe) natural states inherent to the human physical vessel, be it nervous system, brain, etc or any combination, but that these states are ones we have become increasingly detached from over the past several thousand years. As our focus became more material and less spiritual we as a species "forgot" how to use this part of our perceptual toolkit. What drugs can allow is a 4-12 hour glimpse of what is attainable through other disciplines such as meditation, yoga, body work, energy work, what have you.
Would that be the "etheric or astral" you ask - my guess is that that experience is an overlay of both etheric and astral (heavier emphasis on astral) perceptions (normally unconscious to us) over physical reality. In this way we are taking all of these perceptions and refocusing them to work through the measley 5 senses we have, which is why we can experience such a great variety of visual, audial and tactile stimulation, as well as synesthesia, or the ability to perceive something visual as a sound, a sound as visual imagery, whatever.
In these states, everything takes on the profoundly personal feeling that magicians describe as their common state of awareness. We realize fully that we create our own reality instantly with our beliefs and suddenly our memory of our own control over our reality is blatant and obvious and we know then that we never really forgot it, but were pretending to be ignorant. We relax, realize that everything is fine and then eventually come off the trip. Of course when everything's been back to normal for awhile we lose the ability to conjure that feeling or remember the things we knew so clearly, and once again we are "pretending to forget", which is a frustrating concept, since we try so hard to remember.
Personally, drugs did this for me in this order:
First, I tried drinking - it relaxed me and caused me to become more sociable, but in general was unsatisfying.
Secondly, I began smoking pot, and this caused my personal anxiety, something I've experienced all my life and thought completely normal, to dissolve, showing me how to loosen up and resolve anxiety without the need for any chemical.
Thirdly, I tried ecstasy, which caused all of my emotional issues to come to a head. All blocks were cleared, all damaged or slightly damaged interpersonal connections were recognized and (within a week from the experience) cleared and properly healed. I came to a greater acceptance of the parts of myself which I had, up to that point, denied so strongly to myself. This caused my energy to become balanced, cleaned, and a layer of fear, based around the tenseness of 19 years of built-up emotional gunk, to fall away.
Next, I tried LSD. I had had mystical experiences and out of body experiences before, and had just shed Christianity entirely from my system of interacting with the world. I was agnostically searching, open to anything, and LSD showed me with great clarity how alive all things are, the energy patterns that make them up, how new and fresh the moment of Now is, and just how incredibly powerful and knowledgeable I was about the workings of my life and my consciousness. Of course this dissolved soon after the trip, but I used mushrooms, mescaline, LSD and morning glory seeds and got different but similar results from each one.
However after the tripping brought me back to a direct connection with my higher self, or the part of me that knows all the things that this little fragment of me desperately desired to learn, my entire life opened up. I no longer had even the option of believing in coincidence, since I had seen how directly and instantly consciousness weaves the threads of our physical reality. The inherent fear deep in me was reduced to nearly nothing, I found myself feeling a true "right" to be in the world, as the world as I know it is being created by me. I also realized the necessity of taking responsibility for everything as a part of myself, rather than resisting anything, thereby causing it to persist.
In other words, my happiness, looseness, social skills, compassion, deep love for all things as part of the one whole (and all conscious, from the molecules of the floor I'm standing on to the clouds in the sky), and ability to affect positive changes in my life and those around me are owed in a large part to these drugs. Would I have gotten there anyway? Probably, about 20 years from now, after going through who knows what kind of personal hell. There are shortcuts and previews available in the spiritual path, and as long as you aren't merely creating and manifesting what you think you should see or what you currently believe (be careful of this trippers - don't believe anything as absolute! A higher entity or part of yourself may communicate with you, and if you're Christian, you think you saw Christ. If you're buddhist, you think you saw Buddha, so on... Don't try to label or lock down anything you experience, or you'll only have one more barrier to lift in the long run), the benefits of these tools can be fantastic.
However, becoming reliant on the tools is an attachment. At some point we must realize that the experiences we have on drugs, no matter how far from our everyday experience, is still completely accessible to us without these tools. The real tool is our own consciousness. Consciousness altering drugs are here due to our need to reach these natural states combined with humanity's current trend of needing to externalize everything. We keep external gods, external concepts, external tools for consciousness expansion. But when we click back into that zone, there we are, the center of our own private movie, understanding intrinsically that there is no separation between ourselves and anything else.
JP
The neurological concept of self is defined consistantly through experience and the different levels of awareness which is defined through the minds understanding of current and present.
When we are experiencing reality through substance, we are still expriencing reality, but we will need to differentiate between what is realities concept of the spiritual, astral and ethereal self, and what is just what we desire to see, or what our mind plays with.
Really whether we are hallucinating by way of substance, meditation, fasting, dream, or just fates hand, its up to our individual selves to understand what it means and how it is interpreted.
LSD, mushrooms, mescaline/peyote, and other such substances have always been linked to spiritual visions or spirit quests because they are part of a certain cultures religion or mythos. What needs to happen is control in order to lose control.
LSD will gather sense towards designer chaos. In this you will have a difficult time understanding the self, but still interacting with the subconscious.
Mushrooms are similar yet have a unique effect in that you will have the ability to sleep, and control what feels untcontrolled
Mescaline/peyote has been the primary spiritual substance in that the negative and positive aspects of the drug enhance what you make out of the experience. Such as being in the desert, seeing a coyote and following that coyote to a tower. The tower sinks into the ground and a single monolith is left standing in its place. An epitaph apears on the monolith which you cannot read, but you know. The knowledge of the epitaph create a connection to both death and life, and you see then that the tower represented you and your temple(YOur body)and the coyote is the path you must follow in order to understand and acknowledge your body in order to keep it from self-destruction.
Drugs are drugs man, just learn what drugs do what, and how to seperate reality from vision, and vision from insubstantial hallucination.
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So let me begin from scratch....
What is astonishing is that the substance Psilocybin is chemically very similar to N,N-DMT and 5-HT (Serotonin) and might even work
as a neurotransmitter in our brains.
Then some background on drugs:
There has been a govermental war against drugs now for sometime. Which literally means goverments and other political forces pushing bovine excrement propaganda about some substance. Even one politician who got elected president because of his crusade against a substance about which he probably didn't know any facts of. During this crusade against drugs
they banned ALL research on those substances, making it impossible to gather any information about them at all otherwise than breaking the law and being at risk getting fined/thrown to prison.
A bit later this changed and it was allowed to do research on some chemicals constricted to publish ONLY of the negative sides of a substance.
Then in the public after many many years of propaganda in news papers about the dangerousness of drugs in general most people has gotten astray from the real facts about the substances. My estimation here in Finland about people is that 80-90% does not know a jackshit about drugs or what they do other than has been written and spooked in news articles. What is even more sad is that this group of people doesn't even bother to dig out the real facts, but blindly believe that this is how it is and repeat the litany "drugs are bad mmm'kay!". What is even more ridiculous is that they regard caffeine, alcohol, nicotine and medicines as less dangerous than the so scareful 'drugs' they have read about. When they should on a fact level be in the same category and even when under same category every substance should be researched and held under it's OWN positive&negative sides and health risks.
Then there is the other ridiculous very small group that promote only the positive sides of the drugs and neglates any negative things they hear/read/experience about it.
My personal experience and opinion about entheogens(you may also call them psychedelics) is that they give you a straight look into your own mind and realm of the subconsciousness. They might also be a tool in changing your subconsciousness to either worse or the better. (Comparable to deep hypnosis suggestions that stays a long time in both negative and positive ;) ). They can also give you a major spiritual shake or wakeup. The bad thing about the experiences is that they can be very overwhelming and traumatizing and you might not be able to escape from it for the next 8 hours before the substance leaves the bloodflow. (How would you feel
if you didn't have a spiritual background and took something only because you thought you would get euphoria from it and later notice that you get thrown into a spiritual realm with demons, ghosts and weird entities playing tricks on you which feels more real than when being sober and awake?)
I think that entheogens project your subconsciousness into your waking state, so it can be a bit compared to seeing dreams while wide awake.
In my own opinion all drug experiences are solid real, even if they were illusions. Saying that they are unreal is like saying that your own emotion is wrong and not real.
Many think about entheogens as the key to unlocking the secrets of the human mind...
Ugh this was not nearly all of what I wrote before the crash but maybe it is of some use anyways :)
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Originally posted by MushieMagick
Greetings everyone and great to be in this enviroment. I just wanted to ask a general question to see what everyone thinks. In the dimension (heaven realm) that I altered my frequency to get to while in the mushroom trance, I could walk around and LUCID-ly see the 4th / 5th dimension full of life waving around me with the higher beings watching my at all angles. Would this be the etheric or astral?????? When my friend would move I could see him connected to the area around him which was animated by his thoughts and intention (thats the future) in full color. I just wanted to hear some opinions on what plane the spirit of the mushroom takes one to with the proper intention. When I increaced my love for the divine I was propelled to higher and higher realms until full unity was realized. Any thoughts appreciated and thx for your time.............
Chad
Chad, I always felt that using drugs was wasting time. The experience ultimately was contaminated. By using anything beyond air, and will power (our internal apparatus) we lose. We lose time and we lose a willing astralnaut. I don't think there is any difference between using LSD, mushrooms, or alcohol. They all result in some altered state that is directly linked to the drug. Without the drug, you couldn't have that experience. Yet if you use will power, breathing and relaxation, the consequence is more predictable, therefore, the observations are more reliable, and more helpful in understanding the new frontier. Your stuff is contaminated by excrement. It stinks. If you took another 'room', you'd have an different wasted experience. Its not like you could predict the specific outcome of the drug's effect, like taking asprin, tylenol. Look at your descriptions, information. Look at the way you write....your observations are so abstract, you don't have the vocabulary to describe them. Your reference to the mushroom web page is ridiculous! That writer is disqualified as an astral observer. He suxs! Babbling, blah, blah, blah....its meaningless gibberish. So what! There is no revelation here! One million readers will draw one million different observations from that excrement. If you can't convey what your observer and repeat it....then what? You got nothing! Its called an hallucination. In this case, a chemically induced one. What have you learned? Your wasting time!!!!!!!!!!! If the astral is that incomprehensible, no wonder we have the physical plane to assist us to organizing our thoughts! What I need is someone who is 'awake', 'lucid', and can transfer awarness into the astral and record observations. Drop the junk and use your internal apparatus. It works if you develop it.
Ok, I'm back. Before the workshop I said I was growing some Psilocybin Cubensis mushrooms, well I thought I'd let you know how it went.
First of all, I'd never done anything like this before, all my previous experiences were 'natural', lucid dreams, projections etc. So why the change? I learnt more, and the more I learnt the more open minded I became to certain entheogens. I began to see them as valid tools, for some people some of the time. Was I one of those people?
I'd read/heard much Terrence McKenna, and was interested in the communication with the Other that he describes.
I started with a tea of six mushrooms (equal to 1 dry gram). This caused the internal conversation but no visuals. A while later, feeling more confident I did 30 in a tea (equivalent to 5 dry grams). Below are excerpts from my notes:
Thinking as it begins that this experience is like, rather than leaving my body to travel to other dimensions, I stay in my body and the dimensions unfold around me. Asking questions, start up an internal dialogue. During the early stages there is this buzzing and crackling. On two occasions this buzzing ('physically' audible) comes right into the centre of my head, louder and louder, head buzzing from within, as if there's a bee in there, then stops. It felt like a homing beacon, a targeting device to pinpoint me in reality? Felt as if there were fingers, black, like a huge network, like fungal mycelium. A communication network? Is this an (alien) technology? That's what it feels like, a communication technology.
Opening and closing eyes, experimenting with internal Vs external reality. It's as if I'm a thin shell on the surface, I can 'flip' inside and outside. Realize it's all the same reality, just a different perception. Open my eyes and the psychedelic effects are just beginning. They're overlaid over 'normal' reality. Ceiling starts to move, patterns swirling. The patterns take the form of hieroglyphs, figures, symbols, Egyptian and Aztec
The voice starts talking about 'reality fields' and 'wave interference patterns'. I'm told that when I'm alone I am making the universe, but when our perceptions interact our interference patterns collide, and our collective consciousness then creates reality. Feel great, buzzing, happy. Told I should just enjoy this state of being, should always enjoy just 'being'.
I'm in touch with everything. When I'm on the outside (i.e. with my eyes open) I am everything, connected to everything, everyone everywhere. If I close my eyes especially I can remember anything. Can dip and out of any memory, real or dream, with complete recall, unlike conscious memory. As I'm dipping into memories there is a kind of buzzing and crackling just outside my left ear. Feels like a 'technology' again.
Feel as if I know how a schizophrenic must feel. Feel 'trapped' inside my shell, looking out of my eyes as if they're windows, an observer not a participant. Everything glows, has a luminesant aura, an inner glow, things are 'more' than they are hear, more beautiful, more vivid, more real (very Doors of Perception). Told that we (our consciousness) create the universe. I've heard this before I think, I've read this before, 'why are you telling me something I already know?' 'We keep telling people this, (the authors you've read) but you (they) never listen, so you have to keep coming back for the same message'! Consciousness creates reality; you make your own universe! All are connected, all are one.
Takes a couple of hours to come down. Wish it was faster, feel I've got the information I came for and ready to return. Wonder if I should do this again, can I get any more information if I come back, undecided.
Fantastic post Gleizner! I agree with everything you've said, even though drugs have never been my thing. I was lucky in youth, seeming to have a natural inclination to the openness you describe - not socially, but spiritually.
On this subject though, I found this site to be a wealth of information;
http://deoxy.org/index.htm
I thought i would reply because me myself have done mushrooms, and lsd many a time. I will tell you this, don't eat to many your first time. I would say more like a fourth of half quarter(an eigth), and if you don't feel high enough go for more.
And a little tip, your first time using them put them on a sandwich or something, cause if you get high sometimes the taste comes back to haunt you. I have seen people throw up from thinking of the taste after taking them.
Hey all. I know this is an old topic, and I don't know if anyone's still following it, but I just wanted to take a moment to thank MushieMagick for posting the link to:
http://www.hands-onhealth.com/wake_up.html
That is quite possibly one of the most inspirational and concise articles that I've ever read. [:)]
Funny too...the name of the article is "Wake up now", and made me think of "wake up Neo..." [;)]
I think this comment in the article is very profound and intriguing:
"The only reason, in any moment, that I am not experiencing the fullness of myself is because I want something else more."
I also want to highlight what Gleizner said:
"We realize fully that we create our own reality instantly with our beliefs and suddenly our memory of our own control over our reality is blatant and obvious and we know then that we never really forgot it, but were pretending to be ignorant."
"I no longer had even the option of believing in coincidence, since I had seen how directly and instantly consciousness weaves the threads of our physical reality."
"But when we click back into that zone, there we are, the center of our own private movie, understanding intrinsically that there is no separation between ourselves and anything else."
Awesome! [:)]
Greetings everyone and great to be in this enviroment. I just wanted to ask a general question to see what everyone thinks. In the dimension (heaven realm) that I altered my frequency to get to while in the mushroom trance, I could walk around and LUCID-ly see the 4th / 5th dimension full of life waving around me with the higher beings watching my at all angles. Would this be the etheric or astral?????? When my friend would move I could see him connected to the area around him which was animated by his thoughts and intention (thats the future) in full color. I just wanted to hear some opinions on what plane the spirit of the mushroom takes one to with the proper intention. When I increaced my love for the divine I was propelled to higher and higher realms until full unity was realized. Any thoughts appreciated and thx for your time.............
Chad