Are we shifting dimensions when astal projecting and when we get the Holy Spirit

[kuurt]

It's been a while since I've tried astral projecting. I guess I get sick of not succeeding that I give up for a while.  Anyway. I gave it another try today and I did get to the point where there was a shift in consciousness or shift in awareness - I really don't know what this shift is or how to put it in words, but I'm sure you experienced projectors know what I'm talking about.  I've experienced it before, and I know that the vibration stage often follows or can accompany the shift. 

First I stop thinking kind of like you do when falling asleep at night.  So I think what is happening is that my brain activity level is going from beta (active/thinking) state, to alpha (less active/less thinking), and maybe even into theta, I'm not sure.  But, at some point there is this shift that takes place.  If you were falling asleep at night it would probably be the point where you actually fall asleep, but since I'm trying to stay awake that doesn't happen.  Instead a shift takes place.  What is this shift exactly, does anybody know?  Is it what is felt when you go into the theta brainwave state?  Is it my awareness expanding from the body to more than the body?  From local awareness to non-local awareness?  Although I still feel very much in the body.  Something feels different at this point, like I'm losing consciousness - not becoming unconscious, just becoming less conscious or awake.  Like I'm going into dream awareness. 

I've heard it said that we are multi-dimensional beings and that when we astral project or dream we are really just shifting our awareness to another dimension.  Do you think that is what the shift is?  The vibration stage, the sound of buzzing, feeling like you're vibrating, and the speeding up of the heart chakra.  If it's true that everything in the physical world including our bodies are made of energy and not really solid, then perhaps we're just feeling the vibrational change as we shift from one dimension to another? 

This leads to my next question, something I've been wondering about.  Church folks will talk about something they call "getting the Holy Ghost" or "getting filled with the Holy Spirit".  When this happens sometimes people even receive miraculous physically healings.  I think that is because people feel a real shift take place inside them - like with astral projection.  I think their vibration speeds up, and because of that they feel different, they feel something which they call "the holy spirit", and because of that change it makes it easier for them to believe or have faith in a miracle.

Years ago, I wanted to know what it felt like to "get the Holy Spirit".  I wanted to know what these people were experiencing.  So I prayed for it.  I asked to be filled with the Holy Spirit even though I figured it was probably just energy that they were labeling the Holy Spirit. I imagine a kundalini experience to be the same thing - correct me if I'm wrong.  Interestingly, I prayed for it a couple of times and then like the next day a couple of church guys came knocking on my front door.  I had some health issue and they said they wanted to pray for me.  So right there on my front porch these guys put their hands on my shoulders and prayed for my healing.  I didn't end up getting healed, but I did end up getting what I had been praying for.  While they were praying for me I suddenly started feeling different.  I felt like I was floating.  I felt lite as a feather.  I looked down to make sure my feet were still touching the porch, and they were even though it didn't feel like it.  I also felt a swirling sensation of energy in my stomach area which rose up into my chest.  A lot of people describe their experiences with getting the Holy Spirit very similarly.  A friend of mine said he felt like a 100 pound weight came off of him when he received the Holy Ghost. 

So what's really going on here?  Is there a connection between the shift we experience when trying to astral project and the shift people experience when "getting the Holy Spirit"?  Are both of these experiences shifts in awareness from the physical dimension to another dimension - astral dimension or whatever you want to call it?  Is that why both experiences are accompanied by vibrational/energetic sensations and like an expanded awareness? 

Does this mean that we can use this shift for more than just launching into an out-of-body experience (astral projecting), but also to help boost our faith for a physical healing and manifest it?  And if prayer and church music can bring on this shift and "Holy Spirit" experience, then why couldn't they also be used to get out of the body (astral project)? 

[Bluefirephoenix]

Whan you " get the Holy Spirit" the experience is an increased awareness of something that is always there. We cannot exist outside of God. So the presence is always there and it is changeless in quality and quantity. The only thing that changes is our awareness of that presence and our relationship to it. Most of the time we are totally focused on the physical world. But we can turn from that towards the Spirit or greater reality and that turning our awareness creates an experience. You do the same thing with phasing or astral projection. But where you go with that depends on your beliefs and focus at that time. I have been told you can be completely in heaven and walk the earth at the same time. I've not achieved that but I have seen indications that this is likely to be true.

[kuurt]

Nice reply - it feels right. 

Whan you " get the Holy Spirit" the experience is an increased awareness of something that is always there.

Is it also a dimensional shift though or not?  And when we astral project and dream are we shifting dimensions? 

You do the same thing with phasing or astral projection. But where you go with that depends on your beliefs and focus at that time.

Does that mean we can use the shift for healing as well?  Is that what's going on with faith healing? - the person feels the shift (Holy Spirit) and that makes it easier for them to believe they can be healed?

[soki]

You are close to be phasing if you ask me! I also feel like going into dream awareness when I AP. It is caused by the release of your awareness towards the physical, and slowly it gets directed towards the non-physical. You'll begin seeing scenarios in your head, seeing random images pop-out and you'll end up having mini-dreams. These are AP, you're in the non-physical. You have to practice becoming aware once you are in the non-physical. At first you'll probably wake up realizing you were out and then you will succeed in gaining awareness in the NP but you will wake up at that same moment. I have not got past that point, but I'm working on it. It's a long road and you have to keep practicing because it's worth the time! Last week I was by a beautiful river, alongside of which grew a big forest. There were rocks in the water that caused swirls and foam and there was a strong current. It was a sunny day as I haven't seen in a while since winter just ended. It was awesome, as much realistic as anything I have seen in my life. I really was there, but when i realised I was in the NP and that I actually was trying to AP at first, it made me come back. Even if I don't have a total control over the experience (and it took me years to succeed experiencing it for the first time which is recently), I enjoy what I am able to experience for now. Even if I can't phase that day or it's been a week since I had a phasing experience, I feel good while meditating and I get used to deepening my mental states. It's always gonna pay later on. Keep on going you are close, really! Let go your awareness, go towards the sleep state furthermore, the closer you can without falling asleep! You'll get those mini-dreams soon enough and these are your door to what is called phasing, a direct projection in the NP without getting the singlest sensation. At first you won't be able to remember what you were dreaming of, but as you advance in your practice it will come back and you'll gain control of the whole thing! Good luck!

[Bluefirephoenix]

to the healing question. Yes definitely. I experienced this first hand.

As to the dimensional question. Your used to thinking of dimensions as separate partitioned places. They're not. They just have that appearance, but it isn't reality.  There is only God that's the only dimension. The change of appearance is only a matter of focus and habit.  It's just a really tough mental barrier to break. I think usually people can only break one it in one area during a lifetime... it takes a lot of work to do it.  When we are born here our focus is oriented towards a certain appearance ( earth) to create an experience for learning. One of the challenges is to break that orientation and focus back where we came from. Dreaming or projection is a temporary changing of focus. You are not leaving your body because your body is also an appearance. ... it's sort of like Avatar. Your subjective experience is that your body is separated from the spirit but the reality is that separation is not possible.

[kuurt]

Ok, I get that the dimensions aren't actually separate places, but are in fact projections out of consciousness, just like this so called physical reality which isn't really physical or solid at all, but is likewise a projection.  But, when people talk about dimensions and they say we're currently in the 3rd dimension (of perception), or 4th dimension (depending on who you ask) and you hear Bashar (entity channeled by Darryl Anka) talk about how he's from the 5th dimension were he can move around in time more freely, are they talking about the same thing we are when they use the term dimensions here?  When Bashar says he's from the 5th dimension, is that the same as one of these places we perceive ourselves to be when dreaming or projecting?  Astral projectors do say you can move around in time more freely when astral projecting. 

Here's the way I understand all of this.  Let me know if I'm right or wrong:

Nothing is truly solid, it is just perceived to be.  Everything is made of energy or light which is projected from consciousness - which gives the illusion of a holographic reality (a construct), as if we were in a simulation.  Like the holodeck experience from StarTrek.  Consciousness is One (God/Source), but is also perceived to be fragmented in to many (you, me, and everyone else).  Each individual consciousness projects its own version of reality in all of these seeming dimensions, but, can become aware of its Oneness with God and others in any of these dimensions (expanded awareness).  Consciousness is not actually in any of these dimensions, as I said, it just perceives itself to be.  The dimensions are actually in consciousness.  Maybe a better word for dimension is "frequency domain" since it's all energy or light.  In this frequency domain we call the physical, all physical forms (projections) are perceived within a certain frequency range.  We only hear sounds within the range of 20 Hz - 20,000 Hz.  We only see colors within the rainbow range, etc. 

I was thinking that these other dimension were just other frequency domains that are currently outside our perception, but that we can shift in to.  And that that's what is happening when we astral project or dream.  There are after all different sounds associated with the different planes, like the sound of buzzing bees for the astral plane.  I think the physical plane is associated with the sound of lightening if I'm not mistaken, etc.  I guess "plane" is just another word for the constructed reality projected in that particular frequency domain?

But, then I thought, why then don't people perceive other colors, instead of the same colors, when they're perceiving these other frequency domains?  I was thinking they would see different or new colors, but maybe not.  If you think about the way sound works, colors might be similar.  Notice that on a piano you have Do, Re, Me, Fa, So, La, Ti, Do.  Seven sounds before they all start repeating again at other octaves.  If a sounds is say 70 Hz at one octive, it will be 140 Hz the next octive up - double the vibration, yet the sound sounds very similar, just different in pitch.  So maybe colors work the same way?

Maybe all of this explains why some people are able to see ghost and spirits and angels - because they're able to perceive past that normal range of perception into other dimensions (frequency domains), even if only momentarily.  Like the Holy Spirit experience.  Usually when people say they got filled with the Holy Spirit they felt some kind of physical sensations in their body.  The body isn't real or solid, it's just energy/light that's being projected from consciousness.  But when they shift into another frequency range their projected body has to shift also giving rise to the sensations felt.  I guess their vibration speeds up, which might be why some people feel an adrenaline rush when they get the Holy Ghost and go running around the church.  And why we feel the vibration stage before astral projecting as well as the heart chakra speeding up. 

Also, if you ever been in an emergency situation, you might have noticed how times seems to stand still in those moments.  And a sense of peace can come over you.  The same with zen moments. I'm guessing we are shifting frequencies to some extent at those moments too?

[FuzzyQuills]

If a sounds is say 70 Hz at one octave, it will be 140 Hz the next octave up - double the vibration, yet the sound sounds very similar, just different in pitch.  So maybe colors work the same way?

Well, from what I have been reading lately... What I believe is that these other planes of vibration can't all be perceptions made by consciousness; more, it's a perception of sets of vibrations specifically, of which can be induced by consciousness, hence how Astral Pulse Island can exist in the astral plane. And likewise, when someone's AP senses see a red ball in the astral realm, others will see just that, a red ball, although their perception is going to be slightly different.