Question regarding phasing methods.

[gil-galad]

Hi,  I would like to ask 2 questions about phasing.

1, I am familiar with the "rundown" type of phasing, when you create a mental scenario, engage your senses as much as possible and after a while you find that your mental scenario developed into a dream sceen (and hopefully you remained lucid enogh). In other words, you phased into F2 (Frank`s model).

I also know another method which Frank often calls "Monroe`s method" in his posts. As far as I know, this means that to reach Condition B, you lie down, relax, and simply observe the blackness in front of your eyes. Soon you began to see "light patterns"( can be more complex images as well). If you remain aware, this action somehow leads to the 3D blackness (when your pbody falls asleep). In other words, you only have to passively observe the blackness in front of your eyes and these light patterns in order to reach the 3D blackness. No other action is needed to get to 3D blackness and it is not necessary to listen to Monroe CD or an alternative of it. 

Can anyone tell me if I am right in this? 

2, Can anyone suggests how can I phase from the dream sceen (created by my rundown) to the 3D blackness? How can I make the dream sceen fade away or how can I get to F3?
Thanks for answering

[3588897]

Hi,  I would like to ask 2 questions about phasing.

1, I am familiar with the "rundown" type of phasing, when you create a mental scenario, engage your senses as much as possible and after a while you find that your mental scenario developed into a dream sceen (and hopefully you remained lucid enogh). In other words, you phased into F2 (Frank`s model).

I also know another method which Frank often calls "Monroe`s method" in his posts. As far as I know, this means that to reach Condition B, you lie down, relax, and simply observe the blackness in front of your eyes. Soon you began to see "light patterns"( can be more complex images as well). If you remain aware, this action somehow leads to the 3D blackness (when your pbody falls asleep). In other words, you only have to passively observe the blackness in front of your eyes and these light patterns in order to reach the 3D blackness. No other action is needed to get to 3D blackness and it is not necessary to listen to Monroe CD or an alternative of it.  

Can anyone tell me if I am right in this?

It sounds right to me.

EDIT: Just to be clear, when you're doing the noticing exercise, you actively observe the blackness, but you are passive about everything you see or hear.

2, Can anyone suggests how can I phase from the dream sceen (created by my rundown) to the 3D blackness? How can I make the dream sceen fade away or how can I get to F3?
Thanks for answering

I haven't done this before, but I think to reach the 3D Blackness (Fz) from F2, you need to stop focusing on everything in F2 and eventually you will detune from F2 and begin tuning into Fz or F3. If you want a better explanation, read this: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/how_can_i_leave_foc_2-t18538.0.html;msg160373#msg160373