Non-physical vs Physical memories

[Xanth]

When you "remember" a memory... say one of real life, how does it compare to a memory you "remember" from a non-physical experience?

[Contenteo]

Honestly, I see no difference in the quality.

In the quantity of succession of "frame" recalls, I would say that there is a faster diminishing response in the event of dream/astral memories. Almost on par with memories from when I was a child. You know sparse photo-like frames you can piece together. For instance a dream I had a couple months ago, I can remember a couple distinct frames and kinda recreate the flow.

However, the astral experience I had a couple days ago, is still as clear as day and I can remember nearly a complete string of vivid frames.

Is frames the right technical word, I have done movie editing and stole the word from there.

In conclusion, my experience is no effect to the quality, but a drastic effect on the retention rate.

Cheers,
Contenteo


P.S. what is curious to me, is where the information is being stored, because I have seen research on near death experiences, and there is no brain activity during the supposed NDE. However, they can recall it.

[Astral316]

^ The frames concept explains it nicely, and I agree.

However, I find my non-physical memories carry unique "auras" that are difficult to replicate in intensity when making physical memories.

[c0sm0nautt]

Sometimes my waking mind has trouble processing my non-physical memories because of the context in which the waking mind operates. An example being colors which are not part of the waking visible spectrum. Another being the hyper-dimensionality of some nonphysical experiences.

[CFTraveler]

Besides context, no difference. 

[Summerlander]

I get what you guys are saying but...all memories are non-physical anyway. Perhaps the terms should be "waking life memories" and "dream memories"?

On AVers I'd done an articles on memories. Boy it was the longest thing ever!

[Xanth]

Well, I was more wondering if people "remember" real life memories in the same fashion as their Non-physical memories.

Because, for me, that's the case.  My memories of dreams, lucid dreams, whatever... when I recall them, they're identical to, say, a memory from my childhood in quality and content.

[Contenteo]

Ha, Xanth, the childhood example was my short answer to your post before I expanded it. Nearly exactly the same, but I will say recent astral memories are clearer, then old ones.

[daytona955]

They're the same for me too, although sometimes I remember something randomly and I have to think to myself 'was that a dream or did that happen!!' 

[Boom]

Well with the limited concious non physical experiences i've had.. when i have woken up, they are remembered in the same way that dreams are remembered.  I dont think i could ever get confused between an AP and something that happened in the physical... two totally different memory spaces.. kinda like seperate folders on a computer

[eflynn]

I like this question.  Honestly, I'm not sure.  Most of my non-waking memories fade very fast and I often can't recall them.  However, when I do recall them, it seems I can remember them with greater clarity than waking-life memories.  I have mental access to far more waking-life memories, be even these fade in time.  I can remember pretty much everything I did yesterday and if given a quiz on it, I would probably do pretty well.  But these memories, while accurate, aren't particularly sharp or vivid in my mind.  Meanwhile, some of the non-waking memories I have, while most are fragments of larger experiences, are very clear and vivid in my mind.

I wonder what that means. 

[manwesulimo2004]

P.S. what is curious to me, is where the information is being stored, because I have seen research on near death experiences, and there is no brain activity during the supposed NDE. However, they can recall it.

I find this very interesting. Really makes me wonder how robust Monroe's focus model is, seeing as a focus is applied to a specific brain frequency. Do you have a link or something?

[Contenteo]

The source was a video on YouTube from a doctor who was explaining that science objectively constrains itself within its on bounds, said otherways, the scientific method and our institutional infrastructure are against funding paranormal research because it can only be subjectivly explain. The metaphor he used was that of medicine. Scientificly, one can never prove taking the aspirin makes the pain go away. The perception of pain is subjective by nature. One can only take statistics. Astral projection is the same way, it is your own perception of occurrences. Make your own conclusions from that.
Anyway, he then went on to cite this other case about NDE's. I forgot where I sourced it, but I remember making the fact that that specific study occurred in the Netherlands.

http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html
Ok, here's a link I found, its this guy. Pretty cool, pretty recent and he is getting traction overseas. Neat stuff.

If anything, it strengthens Monroe's model. Did you ever think that the brain waves are simply a product of the phasing process?
If you ask me, the astral consciousness was here before you figured out what brain waves were.

[Neccrid]

Sometimes non-physical memories are strange for me. As soon as I wake up from a dream those memories are still very vivid and easy to recall but as the minutes and hours pass it seems like they begin to fade.  Like today I recall all of a sudden being hit by the incredibly clear memory from a dream I had last night.

What really gets me thinking is when I recall dreams where I feel astonishing amounts of physical sensations. The feelings of lightning quick motion, slow motion, and even sharp pains. 

[Alex-Anderson]

I do not see that much difference in my memory recall be it real life or say from a dream/OBE/AP etc. And thinking about it I guess there wouldn't be any difference as the memory recall is being triggered mechanically in the physical.

I suppose what can distort, influence or fragment our memories is how content can define the memory context and/or how the context can define or influence the memory content.

On the other hand memory recall in the nonphysical feels somewhat less mechanical and more spontaneous, sort of like breathing.

[GodsProxy]

You could try the wide awake contexting process to switch visual focus onto the astral (see first forum). Then experiences will be transferred directly into waking memory

[Demigod]

Well, with dreams, I can't tell, if I had it yesterday, or a year, or 5 years ago, it always seems the same. If you keep a dream journal, maybe it's different, and it's just caused by a lack of reference points. And there's also a difference for me that memory of physical events are usually with more details that I can recall. In dreams they seem to play a lesser role for me.

I had a very similar question, but I was more focused on time:

How does a memory (which is an interpretation of something that already happened - so already exists) differs from a vision of event, which you have no "experience" of, like you have for something that happened to you in the physical. For me it's the same, and the "blurry" effect is symmetrical as the point's of event position on a time curve gets further in the future or back in the past. It got me very excited, cause there's much more to grow out of it.

By the way! Do you remember the good old question: "To be, or not to be?". How about an answer: "It just IS"? It just "is", and it is "now", no matter it seems like not experienced yet. The concept of experience already is formed by asking that question, so this experience already exists. And I know that his question was rhetorical and, hell, makes as much sense as our existence, but that's how our creative mind works. Take something in, and spit it out with added, reformed information. Just another interpretation. Maybe it's the same with memories. You could recall something to reinterpret it again and again, learn from it, or just strengthen something on which you want to base your reality, your beliefs, dunno how to clearly formulate it now. And there comes the difference between memories of physical and non-physical experiences with how much a memory means to you - how much you're bound to it. Different added values to a location and persons taking part in it, depth of feelings surrounding the event and so on. It's just that we're "normally" more bound to the physical, so we just feed those "physical memories" more.

brrr... it's difficult for me to translate and write that much information in English and form it in a logical order not becoming too chaotic. Makes my head ache.