Programming the mind to have OBE

[Astral_seeker]

Sheriff, I keep a daily routine working on my awareness, reason why I'm quite annoyed it doesnt transfert in my night dreams.

Soarin, I sleep 6 to 7h MAX every night so after that lenght of sleep I cant fall asleep. So maybe cutting to 4h of sleep and try the Vigil method ?

Anyway, this is just a week for the alarm multi awakening method and I just cant stop it now. I have to give each method some more time before switching to another one. Otherwise I will never let one technique enough time to set up and expand naturally.

As an update, unfortunately nothing much to add for 2 nights. I kept on waking up to the sound of the multiple alarms but never found myself at the treshold and about to exit. Now I realized that I found my own voice whispering slowly "dont move, dont open your eyes" very annoying. So, I dont know how that can have an impact in the failed attempts.

However, something good happened (yiha !) :

It was 2 nights ago.
After the last failed attempt I remained laying down on my bed. I was obviously deeply relaxed since I was just waking up from sleep but since I had slept all my usual hours I wasnt asleep anymore. Just greatly relaxed, and thinking about nothing. Then, all of a sudden, I felt a shift of my cousciousness and vibrations or something odd that I couldnt describe happening. Since I was not prepared at all to this (I was doing nothing and had no purpose of projecting then), I was like "wow wtf is that ?!" and obviously this tough reaction of mine ended the experience.

I woke up for good and thought about what just happened. "So, this is it right ? The famous relaxed and blank mind state required to AP ! This is how I shall be each time I want to project, uh ?".

I tried to keep in my mind how I felt, how it was to be in such a state which was the one holding the holy keys to astral projection.

I realized that it would not be that easy to reproduce this state. Mostly, because of the blank mind thing. Because when it happened, it was all black in my mind. Really ZERO thoughts. Pure VOID. But still not sleeping. Quite a tough state of mind to reach at will !

Anyway, I tried again. A training to reach that state counsciously. If I could replicate that state then I would be assured to AP on a very regular basis.

The first time was during the same day. It was 3pm and I decided to take a nap. But contrary to the previous times, I didnt aim to sleep. I wanted to get to that same state as the previous night. Deeply relaxed and blank mind. So I just layed down and relaxed my body to the best I could. I couldnt tell it was AS relaxed as during the night but it was ok I guess. Then I focused not to let any thoughts come in and kept at it. Again, couldnt say that I reached that same state than few hours earlier but it wasnt that bad.
Unfortunately nothing happened.
Nothing happened
No, really, nothing happened
Nothin ha..... WOW what was that ? Dont know what happened but my physical body liked jumped over the bed. Like an electric shock. I guess that I started to AP without knowing it and that I got jolted back into my body.

Second time was today. I did the same thing, relax and blank mind and it lasted soooooo long with nothing at all.
Then I had a thought. The thought of a short dream I just had. For maybe a couple of minutes I clicked out and return back with the souvenir of a very short dream. I had crossed the treshold without really paying attention but without being unfocus not to be able to come back immediately from the dream.

Maybe I'm improving, maybe not. Anyway I will keep on working to reach that state, learn how to get to it, to control it, to get used to it. And then with some practice and some luck as well I hope to be able to AP from a meditative state on a regular basis, aside my nightly attempts.

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Be careful what you call "obvious." Also it does seem to be a bit easier to get to that point unintentionally. That's how it happened for me the first few times I projected.

[soarin12]

Soarin, I sleep 6 to 7h MAX every night so after that lenght of sleep I cant fall asleep. So maybe cutting to 4h of sleep and try the Vigil method ?

Yes!  Definitely tailor it to your specific situation.

Congrats at finding the blank minded state!  I think some people try for years, never reaching that and wonder why AP doesn't work for them.  Once you've experienced it you know what your after. 

[Astral_seeker]

Yes!  Definitely tailor it to your specific situation.

Congrats at finding the blank minded state!  I think some people try for years, never reaching that and wonder why AP doesn't work for them.  Once you've experienced it you know what your after. 

Last night the multiple awakenings during the night didnt bring any positive results.

However, I had quite a vivid dream and when I woke up it was 6:30am. When I look at my DJ I see a pattern : every LD/AP or very vivid dreams occured in the 4:30am - 6:30am roughly. If I want to fine tune the proper moment it would be more between 5am and 6am but for now I'm gonna keep the scale pretty large (ie 4:30am to 6:30am).

I think that identifying the proper time where "all the magic happens" is mandatory to be successful in the OBE's journey.

So now I'm definitely going to adapt my nightly routine to put some emphasis to that particular time during the night.

More to come (and with happy results hopefully !)

[soarin12]

I think that identifying the proper time where "all the magic happens" is mandatory to be successful in the OBE's journey.

That has absolutely been the case in my experience.  Timing isn't the ONLY thing, but it is a HUGE part of it.  As far as the mechanical side of projecting goes, timing and perfecting your trance are the two important things to work out.  If you have one with out the other...you lose.

When I say perfecting your trance -I refer to the fact that if you allow even a moment or two of 'too much thinking', fear, or excitement during your trance, it's all over.  Passive awareness is where it's at!

Sounds like you're figuring out the important ingredients to successful projection!  Good work!   

[Astral_seeker]

Didnt achieve any exit so far BUT two things happened :

- I sleep on my belly, so I always to try to AP from my belly but since this is my natural sleeping position I always end up falling asleep. I tried laying on my back but this is on the contrary too uncomfortable and I can't relax. On my sides I'm not comfortable enough neither.

So seems like I'm screwed but maybe not. 2 nights ago I woke up in the early morning and didnt want to wake up so I put myself on my back but not str8 on my back. Instead, I had my head turned to one side. I found this position far more comfortable without being my natural position neither. I drift off to sleep and at one point I started to feel light vibrations coming in.

Even if this seems to be a real minor achievement, this is huge for me because : a) I never felt vibrations when drifting off to sleep (just felt them when I randomly woke up and found myself in the treshold state). And b) Feeling those vibrations on my back is a huge improvement since it means that I can AP from my back and that this position might be my door to sucess in AP.

So last night when I woke up at 2:30am I was obv on my belly (natural sleeping position, remember ?), and turned to be on my back but with my head turned to one side. Although I didnt project, I fell asleep and even had dreams. I never could fall asleep on my back and seems that I found the way to crack the code which makes me be very happy.

Now I know that I have to be in that position if I want to AP : on my belly I just fall asleep 100% of the time no matter how hard I try to remain aware, and str8 on my back I just can't relax and let go. On my back but with my head turned on one side or the other this is the perfect middle : I can relax to the point of falling asleep but still this is not a very comfortable position for me.

That was the 1st point. Now, the second one and it was weird I dont know what it was.

I dreamt that I was in a house with some people and long story short I found myself laying down at night in a bed. But while I was dreaming that I was sleeping on that bed, I also became aware of being in my "real" bed sleeping as well. Then in my dream I felt someone come into my bedroom and get closer to my bed. I knew in my dream that this mysterious person was there to kill me.

Odd thing is that while I was aware of that dream person there to kill me I started to feel in my "real" bedroom someone really approaching to my bed. I started to feel scared in both my dream and in "reality".

I kept my eyes closed, still aware to be both in my dream and kind of awake and I felt that this shadow person (I couldnt have a pic of him/her, just a shadow) was stabbing me with a knife. I felt it in my dream but I ALSO felt some real physical motion in real life, as if someone was REALLY stabbing at me !

I really freaked out even if I didnt move.

At some point I opened my eyes, a bit nervous and still sweating (lol).

What was that ??

[Szaxx]

You've had a mini dream mentioned earlier and a fear test above post. Not much left to do now but keep on going.
The fear tests vary and do seem real, ignore them knowing it's a test and they dissapear.
Good luck.

[Astral_seeker]

You've had a mini dream mentioned earlier and a fear test above post. Not much left to do now but keep on going.
The fear tests vary and do seem real, ignore them knowing it's a test and they dissapear.
Good luck.

a "fear test" ? What is this ?

being both aware in my dream and in the waking life, does that mean that I could have AP from there ?

thanks for your help

[Szaxx]

Fear tests are where your experience can be challenged at the exit point by an underlying worry or fear. Eg, If you hated spiders you'd most likely encounter the feel of them crawling over you.
They are generally from within your subconcious and manifest in a way to hinder your progress.
They are the guards at the door and your fears may well be used against you.

It's to do with the physics of the NP. As thoughts can manifest you will need to have your fears canned up at the least. With nothing playing in your mind conciously or subconciously the ride is easier.
Even doubting your ability to succeed can manifest and instantly stop you although your progress is moving forwards by the interaction you'll not recognize this and feel it's useless to continue.
A positive mindset is required to make things quicker and analysis of anything negative usually results in a lesson learned on dealing with the unwanted effects of thought manifestation before you get the feel if it.

[Astral_seeker]

Fear tests are where your experience can be challenged at the exit point by an underlying worry or fear. Eg, If you hated spiders you'd most likely encounter the feel of them crawling over you.
They are generally from within your subconcious and manifest in a way to hinder your progress.
They are the guards at the door and your fears may well be used against you.

It's to do with the physics of the NP. As thoughts can manifest you will need to have your fears canned up at the least. With nothing playing in your mind conciously or subconciously the ride is easier.
Even doubting your ability to succeed can manifest and instantly stop you although your progress is moving forwards by the interaction you'll not recognize this and feel it's useless to continue.
A positive mindset is required to make things quicker and analysis of anything negative usually results in a lesson learned on dealing with the unwanted effects of thought manifestation before you get the feel if it.

Thanks for your help. If you dont mind I have those questions :

a) Does having this "fear test" means in a way that I am improving in my Astral projection work ?
b) The example of spiders is clear. However, what does my fear test indicates ? Having that shadow person coming to stab me.
c) why doesnt our subcounscious want us to AP ??
d) what shall I do next time I have a fear test if I want to AP ?

thanks !!

[Szaxx]

A,
To get as far as you have shows progress. The last thing most people post about is an underlying fear. After that it's out and about in the NP.
B,
The shadow person is very typical for many. It's been written about for a long time too. The stabbing fear is from within you. It'll be something you've thought about and not liked at all. You may require a good think as to where it comes from. It may be a movie or something you've seen in your past.
C,
Good question, it appears from many posts from beginners that the fear issue isn't resolved sufficiently. The underlying scare from times gone by has left an imprint in your subconscious that faded with time. It still exists but never got resolved. Until these scarey thoughts have been sorted out they can appear in an experience. If you've had a few nice experiences they can appear with a vengence that you'll take personally and it will really scare you. It's just the physics of thought manifestation, once understood you can shrug it off and it immediately dissapears. Without any understanding the fear runs away with you and you'll not want to do any more. In a nutshell, you are only scaring yourself. Removing the fears you have through understanding will stop the runaway dead in its tracks. It is quite a hurdle if you have many fear issues unresolved.
D
Simply know you're safe and it's an echo from your subconcious trying to show you what you need to face. Just deny it has any power over you and continue with your attempt. Once you are successful these fear issues immediately are gone.

[Astral_seeker]

A,
To get as far as you have shows progress. The last thing most people post about is an underlying fear. After that it's out and about in the NP.
B,
The shadow person is very typical for many. It's been written about for a long time too. The stabbing fear is from within you. It'll be something you've thought about and not liked at all. You may require a good think as to where it comes from. It may be a movie or something you've seen in your past.
C,
Good question, it appears from many posts from beginners that the fear issue isn't resolved sufficiently. The underlying scare from times gone by has left an imprint in your subconscious that faded with time. It still exists but never got resolved. Until these scarey thoughts have been sorted out they can appear in an experience. If you've had a few nice experiences they can appear with a vengence that you'll take personally and it will really scare you. It's just the physics of thought manifestation, once understood you can shrug it off and it immediately dissapears. Without any understanding the fear runs away with you and you'll not want to do any more. In a nutshell, you are only scaring yourself. Removing the fears you have through understanding will stop the runaway dead in its tracks. It is quite a hurdle if you have many fear issues unresolved.
D
Simply know you're safe and it's an echo from your subconcious trying to show you what you need to face. Just deny it has any power over you and continue with your attempt. Once you are successful these fear issues immediately are gone.

Such great answers, thanks a lot !

c) yeah, that makes me wonder. Seems like the whole universe is against our efforts to AP : our subcounscious, the "astral police", entites.. Apparently some forces want us to remain chained.

I will keep at working. I've had only 10ish AP since november 2013 so this is not a lot at all.

I have identified the moment where the magic happens (from 4:30am to 6:30am roughly and more between 5 and 6am), and I have identified the best position for me to AP (on my back but lightly turned to one side or the other).

So, with those 2 things set up I "just" have now to work on the technique to achieve APs. Still a lot of work to do to get to know myself and see what works for me.

Will keep that thread updated if it doesnt bore the board

Thanks again !