Programming the mind to have OBE

[Astral_seeker]

Hi,

Would it be possible to program our subcounscious when we go to be so that we are automatically awaken in the vibrational stage ?

I already experienced this but very randomly. I would be sleeping and at some point I would wake up because of the vibrations.

Unfortunately it happened maybe two or three times at most.

I wonder if we could program our subcounscious so that it wake us up directly being in that stage ?

It would be so great, we wouldnt have to struggle that much to AP, we would just have to go to sleep and wait to be awoken !

Any thoughts about this ?

Thanks

[mon9999]

Its posible i know some people who had obe during hypnosis session..

[Astral_seeker]

Read someone who could do it just telling himself when he was falling asleep "I am in sleep paralysis"

Automatically he would wake up during the night vibrating

[Szaxx]

Mmmm you are attempting to become aware before the destination.
It would be far better to become aware already at the destination surely?
The subconcious can be programmed by repetition, daily affirmations, trying to see yourself at some location. This takes around 3 weeks to do and it can be quite successful. There's another way where you can instantly program the subconcious which is effective.
This method is best done with you being at the scene in question.
You put yourself in the mindset of having already projected and visualise flying around with the tactile sensations included. Recreate the feel of being there ( requires previous experience) and be convinced you'll return shortly when projecting. You create a powerful sensation of all the senses when programming is being done with a strong intent and desire to boot. Know it'll be successful too.
The experience can follow in a day or so.
The programming itself can be done in less than a second and the more sensations you visualise the better the success.

[Astral_seeker]

Mmmm you are attempting to become aware before the destination.
It would be far better to become aware already at the destination surely?
The subconcious can be programmed by repetition, daily affirmations, trying to see yourself at some location. This takes around 3 weeks to do and it can be quite successful. There's another way where you can instantly program the subconcious which is effective.
This method is best done with you being at the scene in question.
You put yourself in the mindset of having already projected and visualise flying around with the tactile sensations included. Recreate the feel of being there ( requires previous experience) and be convinced you'll return shortly when projecting. You create a powerful sensation of all the senses when programming is being done with a strong intent and desire to boot. Know it'll be successful too.
The experience can follow in a day or so.
The programming itself can be done in less than a second and the more sensations you visualise the better the success.

I woke up couple of times in the past vibrating and it was very convenient. All that I had to do was to roll over. Reason why I thought about auto suggestion to wake up directly in that state.

But what you say makes even more sense and if I could 'wake up' directly in the RTZ it would be even better !

However I dont see any real difference between the two ways you're talking about. In both of them you are talking about visualizing me being at the place where I want to regain awareness in the RTZ.. So in which way your second method is different from the 1st ?

Another question : can I work on that not only by visualisation of me being projecting in that place but also being there physically and acting as if I was in a projection ?

I'm thinking about something simple : my living room. Why ? Because this is a place I know very well, I'm accustomed by the various touch feelings (of the walls, the sofa, the tiled floor etc), and moreover this place is close to my bedroom so it makes the projection and recollection of awareness easier (at least that's what I think).
So, could I :

- visualise that I'm projecting there, touching everything, engaging all my senses etc
- and also go physically in my living room and imagine that I'm astral projecting there and acting as if I was in an astral form (like being happy to have projected there, thinking about where I could go etc) ?

What do you think ?

[Szaxx]

You may be too close to your body. The idea is to find a location at least 30 feet away. Being too close can terminate the experience too early and it can give unwanted side effects similar to what you find in sleep paralysis.
Being in the physical at the location gives you unlimited time to become familiar with what's there. The feel or ambience of it, how it smells ect are good to learn.

The instant programming of the subconcious is a different thing. An example is while driving you see a beautiful landscape and feel the awe of it being there. You can visualise flying across it and being a part of its wonder. The feeling of it grabbing your attention is what you recall later and having a strong intent to be there in the NP may result in you gaining awareness flying around it.

[Astral_seeker]

You may be too close to your body. The idea is to find a location at least 30 feet away. Being too close can terminate the experience too early and it can give unwanted side effects similar to what you find in sleep paralysis.
Being in the physical at the location gives you unlimited time to become familiar with what's there. The feel or ambience of it, how it smells ect are good to learn.

The instant programming of the subconcious is a different thing. An example is while driving you see a beautiful landscape and feel the awe of it being there. You can visualise flying across it and being a part of its wonder. The feeling of it grabbing your attention is what you recall later and having a strong intent to be there in the NP may result in you gaining awareness flying around it.

Thanks for the explanations. So in one case I cant go where I want to go and 'just' imagine being there and with daily repetition eventually I will end up one night there, and in the other case I go on the spot and feel the place with all my sense and a projection on that place should occur quicker.

Did I understand you properly ?

Another question : can I succeed with proper and sustained affirmations and visualisations to AP in the chosen spot on a very regular basis ? I mean... I wouldnt want to vizualise just to have an AP on the spot once every 100 years. My aim is to either AP at will or at least on a very regular basis. I have lots of things to do in the astral plane, hence my hard work to be able to project often. So, with both those methods, could I succeed in projecting there several days a week ?

[Szaxx]

I originally started my experiences around 4 years of age and they all initiated with me floating upwards in my bedroom. These occurred every night I wasn't too tired and desired another walk/fly around the woods behind the house. If I didn't move outside the experience only lasted a short time and dreams took over.
As they were naturally occurring events the number of experiences per week seemed limited by how tired I was. If you can get enough sleep and not be overtired the same should apply to everyone. It's finding the balance to make the opportunity  successful.

[Astral_seeker]

Thanks

Talked with a skilled projector who told me that attempting to OBE via mind programming would take a ton of time to become effective. He recommended me instead to wake up multiple times during the night and attempt to project upon each awakening.

What do you think ?

[Aaron330]

Thanks

Talked with a skilled projector who told me that attempting to OBE via mind programming would take a ton of time to become effective. He recommended me instead to wake up multiple times during the night and attempt to project upon each awakening.

What do you think ?

I'm a really light sleeper so I wake up multiple times a night, usually to go to the bathroom. But I have the hardest time trying to project in the middle of the night. I lay there and say some affirmations, try to get into a trance, and the next thing I know I am waking up to my alarm. It is so darned tricky to keep yourself awake long enough to project at night. If you find any successful methods at doing this, please let me know

[Astral_seeker]

I'm struggling with that as well.

Set up an alarm to wake me up every 30 minutes from 4:30 to 7:15am.

I customized an alarm with my voice telling : "dont move, dont open your eyes, wake up gently".

1st attempt is a fail.

Pros : I heard the alarm and message worked since that everytime I woke up I didnt move/opened my eyes
Cons : however I found myself too awake none the less upon each awakening. I was expecting to find myself at the treshold between waking&sleeping state and that I would just have to "push the button" of astral projection but it didnt work that way. I was just wake up and each time fell back asleep.

I guess that I will have to work more on the falling back asleep stage after each awakening so that I feel when I'm reaching that treshold state to astral project.

I read everywhere on the internet that this method (used by raduga and others) is THE way to AP but I dont find it is that easy.

[Szaxx]

30 mins is too soon. You need at least 45 mins or better 105 mins. This gives you a full dream cycle and your body should be far more receptive to external stimuli ie the alarm.
There's no point in losing out on dream cycles, you'll end up too  :-Dtired to do anything.

[Astral_seeker]

30 mins is too soon. You need at least 45 mins or better 105 mins. This gives you a full dream cycle and your body should be far more receptive to external stimuli ie the alarm.
There's no point in losing out on dream cycles, you'll end up too  :-Dtired to do anything.

You were correct !

Went to bed at 11:30pm, think I fell asleep 1h later (yeah I usually take quite a bunch before falling asleep, that sucks). Woke up a first time naturally at 3:30am, went to the restroom, went back to bed, try to WILD with no success and fell asleep.
1st alarm with my voice at 4:30am, I woke up without moving/opening the eyes but nothing happened and I fell back asleep.
2nd alarm at 5:15am and at first nothing happened, I just was awake eyes closed and not moving in my bed. But then I decided that I had to give more attention not only to the awakening, but also to the moment I would fall back asleep. So I just layed there, focus, and then it happened.

I started to feel vibrations and move oddly (ofc it wasnt my physical body moving).

From there I tried to mentally imagine myself rising up since I had issues in the past when trying to roll over. Unfortunately my mind didnt know how to visualise myself rising up (hard to describe but in a nutshell I felt powerless with my mind).

So, I thought "I will count up to 3. When I reach 3 I will be projected at the top of my building. 1....2.... 3 !". Nothing happened, I was still in that vibrational stage.

So, last chance for me, I tried to roll over but was stuck with that magnetism which was a huge pain in the butt. I felt a lot of resistance and couldnt exit so I gave up and fell back asleep.

So, 3rd awakening was the good one (at 5:15am) which my be MY best time to project.

I have to work on the exit stage tho because this is too bad I was almost out and couldnt exit

This method with multiple awakenings seem powerful though, and I will stick with it for quite some times.

[Szaxx]

Use this time as your initial starting point. You can't force anything so doing should be replaced by allowing. By allowing the natural course to take place you should start to feel changes rather than see them. Most people still look at these new experiences through a physical mindset. It will help to accept and remember the effects you feel. Some you'll recognise from things you've read, others that matter are your personal learnings.
Enjoy

[Astral_seeker]

Use this time as your initial starting point. You can't force anything so doing should be replaced by allowing. By allowing the natural course to take place you should start to feel changes rather than see them. Most people still look at these new experiences through a physical mindset. It will help to accept and remember the effects you feel. Some you'll recognise from things you've read, others that matter are your personal learnings.
Enjoy

I will keep with that schedule yeah :
- go to bed at midnight at most
- wake up naturally toward 3am, restroom, try to WILD and if fail fall asleep
- and then from 4:30am and until 7am, have my alarm going off every 45 minutes

As about the exit process, what should I have done when feeling those vibrations ? I tried the exit via suggestion (count from 1 to 3) but it didnt work. I didnt have the proper tool just to lift up with my mind, so I ended up trying to roll over but failed.

I should have waited longer ? And then what ?

Thanks a lot for your help !

[Aaron330]

I will keep with that schedule yeah :
- go to bed at midnight at most
- wake up naturally toward 3am, restroom, try to WILD and if fail fall asleep
- and then from 4:30am and until 7am, have my alarm going off every 45 minutes

As about the exit process, what should I have done when feeling those vibrations ? I tried the exit via suggestion (count from 1 to 3) but it didnt work. I didnt have the proper tool just to lift up with my mind, so I ended up trying to roll over but failed.

I should have waited longer ? And then what ?

Thanks a lot for your help !

This is fantastic seeker! I'm going to try this technique out tonight!  My problem is never with getting out, its always with entering the projection trance where I'm actually ready to pop out. I've been close a few times in the past 3 months, but never quite there.

If this helps you at all, I've had 4-5 actual out of body experiences (all between march to July) and each time I do the same thing. I always find that I cannot leave during the vibrations, I have to focus on something that sends me into the "projection blast" as i like to call it. What always happens for me is I hear the slightest high frequency ringing noise in my ears, so I focus on it (a few times it has been some sort of dream imagery that appeared in front of my vision tho). The instant I focus on that noise, it becomes jet-engine loud, and it feels like my ear drums are going to burst. But if I don't freak out and keep focusing on it, all the sudden it goes completely silent, and I feel extremely warm and tingly, and I know that i am now non-physical and ready to pop out. At that point I use the roll-out technique. I roll towards the corner of my bed, and I even stretch my arms out and grab the edge of my bed and pull myself off the bed and onto the floor (anything that mentally helps really). This seems to work every time.

I hope that helps you at all, because i anticipate that this method is definitely going to help me! We shall see

[Szaxx]

I hope someone with experiences in exits from the vibrational state can add a suggestion. I don't get the vibes or SP, I never really have.
With no real experience it's not something I can comment on.
I guess I'm fortunate from what I've read about SP lol.

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Of course it's possible. You can program the mind to do just about anything. It's pretty cool how mechanical our bodies actually are.

[Astral_seeker]

Of course it's possible. You can program the mind to do just about anything. It's pretty cool how mechanical our bodies actually are.

So, why people struggle that much to OBE if this is just a question of programming ?

*update*

Last night I went to bed at 11:30pm but unfortunately I was awoken by my alarm at 4:30am, which means that I was really tired since I didnt naturally wake up at 3:30am as usual.

So I woke up with the alarm and my voice "dont move, dont open your eyes", but nothing happened. Same with the subsequent alarms every 45mns. I just wasnt at the treshold and couldnt reach it neither while falling back asleep.

So, it was a very disappointing night.

I've read so many accounts from people telling how they immediately find themselves at the treshold when being awake by alarm going off that I dont understand why I dont find myself in such a state inspite 3 or 4 awakenings with my alarm.

Last night was just my 2nd attempt so I guess that I have to give it some more time, but still I thought it would provide some steady results almost immediately.

I've no trouble with hard work and discipline so I will continue until I crack the code.

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So, why people struggle that much to OBE if this is just a question of programming ?

*update*

Last night I went to bed at 11:30pm but unfortunately I was awoken by my alarm at 4:30am, which means that I was really tired since I didnt naturally wake up at 3:30am as usual.

So I woke up with the alarm and my voice "dont move, dont open your eyes", but nothing happened. Same with the subsequent alarms every 45mns. I just wasnt at the treshold and couldnt reach it neither while falling back asleep.

So, it was a very disappointing night.

I've read so many accounts from people telling how they immediately find themselves at the treshold when being awake by alarm going off that I dont understand why I dont find myself in such a state inspite 3 or 4 awakenings with my alarm.

Last night was just my 2nd attempt so I guess that I have to give it some more time, but still I thought it would provide some steady results almost immediately.

I've no trouble with hard work and discipline so I will continue until I crack the code.

Because people either don't know what they are doing, or they just haven't found a method that works well for them yet. Sometimes it's about trial and error.

[Aaron330]

Because people either don't know what they are doing, or they just haven't found a method that works well for them yet. Sometimes it's about trial and error.

It sure is. I feel like I've tried every trick in the book so far. It's easy to get discouraged, but I want this so bad that no matter how many times I fail, I can't let myself give up. I will keep trying new things and hope I stumble upon a method that works for me.

[Astral_seeker]

It sure is. I feel like I've tried every trick in the book so far. It's easy to get discouraged, but I want this so bad that no matter how many times I fail, I can't let myself give up. I will keep trying new things and hope I stumble upon a method that works for me.

I'm with Aaron here. I tried so many things without constant results.

Of course I read Xanth saying "dont try, just do" etc etc, but these are easy words when you have crossed the frontier (I know it took him 10 years so dont get me wrong) but when you are in the heart of the battle those kinds of words are not really helpful.

AP is confusing because you hear that you have to hard work but on the other hand that you dont have to expect anything and allow things to happen, which is contradictory (in b4 "no this is not contradictory at all bla bla").

Seriously, AP is annoying. I'm struggling for 1 year and EVERY DAY I'm doing my routine in the street, shops, metro etc to become lucid at night. I also meditate. And I broke down in 1 million pieces my sleep cycles at night as well to AP. So I'm working on both LD and AP avenue NIGHT AND DAY and EVERY NIGHT and EVERY DAY with discipline, consistency and hard work.

Am I a black belt astral projector or lucid dreamer ? FAR FROM IT

I just had 2 LD in those past 4 weeks and before that my last NPR experience was maybe 6 months behind.

Last night I woke up naturally at 2:45am (gone to bed at 11:30pm), went back to bed and fell back asleep with no LD, woke up 3 times with my alarm from 4:30 to 7am but nothing happened again. The alarm just woke me up and I didnt feel any threshold state.

I will toy with the lenght between the alarm or maybe make them start sooner (at 3:30am for instance and going off every 45mns or every 60mns or 30mns I dunno).

Sorry but I had to rant and whine this morning after waking up without any AP/LD. There are some mornings like that where you're ticked and discouraged.

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I'm with Aaron here. I tried so many things without constant results.

Of course I read Xanth saying "dont try, just do" etc etc, but these are easy words when you have crossed the frontier (I know it took him 10 years so dont get me wrong) but when you are in the heart of the battle those kinds of words are not really helpful.

AP is confusing because you hear that you have to hard work but on the other hand that you dont have to expect anything and allow things to happen, which is contradictory (in b4 "no this is not contradictory at all bla bla").

Seriously, AP is annoying. I'm struggling for 1 year and EVERY DAY I'm doing my routine in the street, shops, metro etc to become lucid at night. I also meditate. And I broke down in 1 million pieces my sleep cycles at night as well to AP. So I'm working on both LD and AP avenue NIGHT AND DAY and EVERY NIGHT and EVERY DAY with discipline, consistency and hard work.

Am I a black belt astral projector or lucid dreamer ? FAR FROM IT

I just had 2 LD in those past 4 weeks and before that my last NPR experience was maybe 6 months behind.

Last night I woke up naturally at 2:45am (gone to bed at 11:30pm), went back to bed and fell back asleep with no LD, woke up 3 times with my alarm from 4:30 to 7am but nothing happened again. The alarm just woke me up and I didnt feel any threshold state.

I will toy with the lenght between the alarm or maybe make them start sooner (at 3:30am for instance and going off every 45mns or every 60mns or 30mns I dunno).

Sorry but I had to rant and whine this morning after waking up without any AP/LD. There are some mornings like that where you're ticked and discouraged.

It's okay. It happens. Also, it is indeed contradictory at first. "Letting things happen" is actually a process that one has to learn. Just not doing anything and having an expectation is not the same as letting something happen. The first mistake people make is assuming that "letting things happen" means just doing nothing. Letting things happen either comes naturally to someone, or is something that one must work for in order to understand how exactly to just let something happen to them.

[soarin12]

If you guys get weary of your vigil method, try just setting your alarm for 6 hrs. after you go to bed.  Wake yourself up enough to not feel sleepy anymore, then attempt.  As you go into trance, hopefully you will notice that as you approach the borderline of sleep, it is fairly easy to keep from falling asleep.  With 6 hrs. of sleep behind you, your mind is rested enough to pull this off.  Your body, however, is still very relaxed and wants to sleep some more so MABA is readily achievable.

In order for this timing to work well though, you have to be getting enough sleep every night in general.  Don't attempt projecting at an earlier time of the night.  It will just rob you of needed rest and by hr. 6 you're mind will still be very tired and you'll just fall asleep during your attempt.

I've played around with timing extensively and the hr. 6 timing has been the one thing that works consistently.  I don't do it every night because I don't want to program myself to always wake up at that time.  That might mess with my natural schedule and skew my consistent results.  I do use it every other, to every third day, and get 3 projections a week from it.  I'm satisfied with that and don't push for more.

Everyone is different, true, but because humans generally need about 8 hrs. sleep a night, the principle of this should work for all of us.  Hrs. 1-5 = mind potentially too tired and too easy to fall asleep... and hrs. 7-? = body potentially getting restless and a good clear, descent length projection becomes harder to come by.  For myself this is proven fact as I've experimented a ton with it.

Hr. 6 is the only thing I do now because I know it's consistent and I don't have to knock myself out trying at all times of the night.  It causes a minimum of disruption to my life and is something that I can sustain for the long haul.  Good luck with your efforts! 

[sheriff_rango]

 I think that the key to LD is less about a method and more about maintaining a kind of state of receptiveness even in waking hours. Not as formal as reality checks but an openness to the possibility that you may be nonphysical if that makes sense. Because the most successful LDs are the ones where your awareness is at waking level, right? And for this the transition should be seamless. It sounds vague but in a way what were dealing with is beyond language : its a state of being and a way of life, even. You just have to believe - genuinely believe that the NPR is not as distant as it can seem to be and that the borders between 'worlds' are rather fluid and malleable, actually. I mean we're there every night.

Aswell as this you should also periodically dissect your lucid experiences. Try and recall the sensation of being nonphysical it should be easy and free-flowing there, like second nature or it will be with time (and if I'm honest I'm still not quite there yet myself). Sometimes you get these little flashes of inspiration whether its something to motivate you or just something new to try out when lucid the latter especially because you're then engaging with the nonphysical space, kind of reinforcing its presence in your psyche.

So in short don't think about LD but do think about it sometimes... Not contradictory at all then!