HI
I have a question concerning Frank's 'noticing' exercise.
In brief, during noticing you stare into the blackness in front of your closed eyes, and passively observe/notice whatever appears there.
In Xanth's phasing method (http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/11/25/xanths-phasing-method/) I have read the following:
In the begining, you should choose a spot (within the blackness) where you 'fixate' your gaze, and 'notice' the images with your peripheral vision. However, elsewhere I have read that that 'choosing such a spot' is not necessary, and simply staring into the blackness is fine.
Is it necessary to choose such a spot/direction for your gaze during noticing, or simply staring into the blackness is enough?
I think either option is fine (In other words, it doesn't matter wheter you choose a spot/direction for your gaze or not), but I am not sure. Thanks in advance
Both techniques lead to the same results, which is releasing your focus on your Physical body. Do which ever one makes you more comfortable. Experiment, you will find you may create an entirely new technique that works for you.
My technique is to just stare into the darkness before my eyes and just notice anything that shows itself. While noticing, I may find that my attention starts to wane or I have a small disconnect. I then go back to focusing again and see that the darkness has a new depth to it or the darkness has been replaced by a grey mist. At this point I just keep my focus there and passively observe. Now I might start to get some Hypnagogic Imagery coming through the mist or darkness. This could be a white or a colored orb or it could be actual shapes and patterns. Again I just passively observe this, until it creates an actual scene. Then I create an intent to enter the scene and I am off on my Journey.
Hopefully this helps you!
Good Luck and Safe Travels! :-)
Ditto on what lion said.
It's all about passiveness. You don't try to do anything.
So whether it is a spot or not, as long as you don't move your eyes around, you'll be able to pass into a F12(aka be nicely on your way to projecting)
Cheers,
Contenteo
One more question: It seems almost impossible, for me at least, to keep my eyes completelly still during phasing. They never move much and not often either, but the move somewhat occasionally. Do the eyes need to be completly still at all times? If so, then phasing suddently became much much harder.
Edit: Am I wrong in thinking that I should not think of my eye movement even as they move, because that takes the focus to my physcal body again?
You should be removed far enough from your physical body that you're not aware of what your eyes are doing. You're "phasing" your awareness away from that.
Yesterday while trying phasing I sank into a deep trance. It felt as is I raced backwards very fast and ended up far from my body. I recignize it as a deep trance. unfortunately my legs cramped up and that annoyed me likehell, so I ruined it by tensing and releasing them.
Great, just keep doing what you are doing, minus the leg cramp, lol! :-)
Mind linking to a thread where the cramping thing is discussed? Otherwize, care to give me a hint of how to avoid it? Im doing relaxation exercises before my sessions, but nothing else. The problem is during trance, not before.
I don't know of a thread like that here. You could check in the right hand corner search engine though.
I used to always do 5 minutes of progressive relaxation before I attempted to AP. It seemed to work pretty good at relaxing my body. I still do it sometimes when I find myself unusually tense. Once in awhile I get a spasm or itch while entering the trance state. I immediately use Robert Bruce's NEW technique to either wrap a invisible bandage around the area or move that energy away from the area that is irritated. That works great as well.
But then you have to switch focus from the phasing to your physical body again? That works well for you?
Cramps? eh? electrolytes and such should help with that :-D
All sorts of distractions occur during this process.
I just wanted to chime in to add that keeping your eyes from moving is a VERY difficult thing to do. It sucks. Just thinking about makes them want to move. Years later I still screw up many projections by flippant eye movements. No one ever said this task was for the the weak of mind.
Cheers,
Contenteo
Quote from: AteBits on October 16, 2012, 03:26:26
But then you have to switch focus from the phasing to your physical body again? That works well for you?
Yes, but it doesn't happen all the time and when it does it is only a minor inconvenience. Just another obstacle that needs to be jumped! :wink:
Quote from: Contenteo on October 16, 2012, 03:37:52
I just wanted to chime in to add that keeping your eyes from moving is a VERY difficult thing to do. It sucks. Just thinking about makes them want to move. Years later I still screw up many projections by flippant eye movements. No one ever said this task was for the the weak of mind.
Cheers,
Contenteo
I agree with this 100%. I find the sensation that my eyes are opening to be more of a hinderance though. At first it annoyed me because I couldn't tell if the light I was seeing was in the NPR or light coming through my eyelids. This caused doubt and had to be handled right away. I fixed this problem by wearing an Eye Pillow.
Eyepillow.. oh, I have one of those. Why aint I wearing it... doh.
I get to a point where it feels like my eyes are open even though they are closed, I suppose because I lose feeling in my eyelids. With practice all of these distractions will eventually go away. They tend to pop up during trance because your sensory input is slowing down, so very small things that normally go unnoticed can seem very intense, like a small itch on the back of your leg - normally it would be so small and your attention would be so spread out you wouldn't feel it. Now you're quiet and centered, so it's all very annoying. You just have to get to a point where it's normal.
Thanks for the replies.
I have one more question.
During noticing, I begin by choosing a spot (within the blackness) to hold my gaze at. After a while I tend to become unfocused (which is obviously normal if you gaze at something for long enough). I usually let this happen and stay unfocused for longer periods, and simply observe the 'blackness' in this way. I think this is the right way of doing it, since, otherwise the regular 'retuning' of my focus might prevent me from reaching a proper meditative state.
During noticing, is it all right to remain unfocused for longer periods?
Hi,
That's whats needed, no examining, just noticing.
When the scene comes alive be part of it.
You're doing fine.
Quote from: gil-galad on October 17, 2012, 05:23:30
During noticing, I begin by choosing a spot (within the blackness) to hold my gaze at.
This isn't necessary. You just want to passively observe anything that rises and then let it fall away. Don't focus on it, just observe without attaching any thoughts or feelings to it. Like Szaxx said, that's all there is to it.
If you feel like you need to focus on a single spot... then do it.
If you feel like you don't need to focus on a single spot... then do that instead. :)
You might find that sometimes focusing on a single spot will help... you'll find other times it won't. You might even feel like switching it up midway through a noticing session. There's no set in stone way of doing any of this. Just do what feels right...
Another way of putting it is to allow your eyes to guide themselves to where they want to be.
Allow them to do what they want... allow them dictate where they want to go.
"ALLOW" :)
Hmm great post here! I deffinately feel that the focus switching gets me out of the meditative state. Good knowing that the unfocused vision is something I should stick with too! :)
QuoteDuring noticing, is it all right to remain unfocused for longer periods?
Noticing I such a great term because it doesn't specify the many different ways one
can notice.
There are many strategies. For instance, Frank regularly tucked his eyes all the way up. So they stuck. A great way to force focus on the 'third eye'. So, I tried and can't and won't because it really really hurts and is uncomfortable. It's not for me. To echo Xanth:
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If you feel like you need to focus on a single spot... then do it.
If you feel like you don't need to focus on a single spot... then do that instead.
There are many strategies from. You now have the fun job of experimenting.
QuoteYou just have to get to a point where it's normal. -Stookie
Cheers,
Contenteo
It's not really about what technique you use to notice. It's that you have your focus outside of your Physical Reality.
I too tried Frank's technique of lifting my eyes to my 3rd eye and found I received a eye cramp almost every time I tried it. Now I just notice the blackness right in front of me without trying to cramp my eyes into any unusual position.
Definitely experiment, only you can find out what's more comfortable for yourself. I'm sure there is no "right" way that it has to be done.
The lifting of the eyes up to the third eye is what Robert bruce calls Third eye trigger and you can use that as an exit technique when you are in the vibrational state. Never tried it but many do and have success with it. In this case I wouldnt do it because it would require to much attention, for me, on the physica body.
Hi,
For a read on this.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/to_the_door_perfecly-t36502.0.html
Enjoy.
The whole point of noticing is to concentrate your awareness down to one point. It's the same effect as focusing on your breath, or focusing on a run-down. You shouldn't be thinking "should I do this now?", that's an interruption. Just "hmm, there's a light area"... whatever comes up, notice it, and let it go.
Don't do things on a whim, decide what your exercise is going to be and stick with it. It's not just about projecting, it's about creating good habits and skills that become indispensable tools later.
Quote from: Lionheart on October 18, 2012, 04:20:18
I'm sure there is no "right" way that it has to be done.
Maybe not, but there's a lot of wrong ways.
cramps might also indicate physical tension or lack of alignment make sure if your on your back your knees should be slightly flexed. The pressure on the cyatic nerve can cause numbness and cramping of the legs. Also too much pressure on the back of the knees will impair blood circulation. Especially if you've ever had a knee replacement or have Peripheral vascular disease. eating fruits and veggies will help with the electrolytes.