Shakti helmet?

[Nomesb69]

Has anyone used the shakti helmet? Got the good, bad or ugly on it? I am seriously thinking about saving up for one. Just want some input first.

[Stillwater]

Lol... tell us more... you seem to know much more than I.

From the mere name, it sounds like it may just be a scam, but who knows!

[floriferous]

Diffuicult subject to find info on. A while back I did some research. There was a thread on some forum where someone was testing the 8 coil. Seem to have some interesting effects.

I almost boulght one then chickened out. Not sure I felt comfortable with that stuff wrapped round my brain....but by all means be our guinea pig and give us some feedback

This link is not the one I originally read but still has some user feedback...

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=163901&st=15

[Nomesb69]

Lol... tell us more... you seem to know much more than I.

From the mere name, it sounds like it may just be a scam, but who knows!

Well it stimulates point in your brain with sound through magnets or something like that. Can you post links here with our breaking rules? If so Ill post a link to the one i am looking at and it explain it in great detail.

[floriferous]

Can you post links here with our breaking rules? If so Ill post a link to the one i am looking at and it explain it in great detail.

Well I just did. I think you'll be fine unless the link you provide takes us to your personal dogging in a carpark tribute page

[Nomesb69]

Well I just did. I think you'll be fine unless the link you provide takes us to your personal dogging in a carpark tribute page

Ok here it goes

http://www.brainwave-entrainment.com/winshakti/index.htm

[Stillwater]

Still can't really say... never seen a device like that, or heard of anyone having gotten benefits from one, and I have been here a decade.

What is really common to hear, though, is people using "binaural beats" systems to achieve the delta-stage projection state, such as the Monroe Institute and other sources produce. These work by entraining brain freqencies to the difference between two tones, one played in each ear. It sounds like a very similar concept, and much better known ( and safer, I would imagine).

[CFTraveler]

Sounds like they're inducing temporal lobe seizures.  Gawd.

[Nomesb69]

Still can't really say... never seen a device like that, or heard of anyone having gotten benefits from one, and I have been here a decade.

What is really common to hear, though, is people using "binaural beats" systems to achieve the delta-stage projection state, such as the Monroe Institute and other sources produce. These work by entraining brain freqencies to the difference between two tones, one played in each ear. It sounds like a very similar concept, and much better known ( and safer, I would imagine).

Yes I am using the TMI Gateway series. Still in the Discovery album.

[Nomesb69]

Sounds like they're inducing temporal lobe seizures.  Gawd.

No I dont think that is the case.

[TofuAttack]

just take LSD instead.

loljokes, but seriously this thing doesn't look too safe.

[CFTraveler]

No I dont think that is the case.

The helmet induces magnetic fields.  They are specifically targeting the temporal lobes.  Magnetism induces electricity.  The temporal lobes exposed to magnetism would cause the neurons to fire.  Result=an artificial temporal lobe seizure.  It's a simple extrapolation, really.
I thought you said you didn't know anything about this?

[Stillwater]

I would have to agree with CFT... this does not sound safe, or tested.

[David Warner]

It is really interesting device and the results that the scientists have discovered that pay tribute to neurological research of the brain for out-of-body / near death experiences commonalities.

Unfortunately, we have not yet seen or have listened that this device produces these states as fact and prove exact duplication of OBE / NDE. I would enjoy listening to the people who have been tested with this helmet with two sets of control groups. People that have had out-of-body experiences on a weekly basis's who are adept, or the real life near death full blown experience would be first group. The second group would be people that have never experience the out-of-body experience using this helmet to induce.

My honest opinion and talking from experience is that the conscious spiritual awareness this produces is different from the wide awake body asleep full blow OBE or NDE. Sure there might be some similarities in the feel or experience during but I don't think it could compete.

Remember that people are are near death due to trauma, they are certainly not relaxed. And even if the person who is under anesthesia that has the nde, they are not aware of conscious. They have flat lined and died - the people in this experience were alive, breathing, aware, except for being placed in a room that is dark, eyes closed and not given any idea what to expect. I didn't see or hear anything mentioned about Peace, Love, Warmth, Mental Telepathy, Angelic encounters etc.. Most of felt outside the body, ways from it. The feeling of being re-located to another position.

If anyone has more information on this research or who does decide to purchase this helmet. Please contact me and we can perform in-depth comparisons.

I for myself am tempted to contact the institution for more info. for better clarification so I can post this and share with the community.

Thank You,

DW

[Nomesb69]

The helmet induces magnetic fields.  They are specifically targeting the temporal lobes.  Magnetism induces electricity.  The temporal lobes exposed to magnetism would cause the neurons to fire.  Result=an artificial temporal lobe seizure.  It's a simple extrapolation, really.
I thought you said you didn't know anything about this?

I don't other than what is on the website and that of course is why im trying to find non biased opionions or possible first hand input from others who actually used it.

Here is what is has for safety info:

First of all, Shakti does not use "electromagnetic" stimulation. It uses magnetic fields that become stronger and weaker, millisecond to millisecond, to mimic the patterns that appear in specific EEG traces. The electromagnetic radiation that cause concern with cell phones, power lines, and nuclear technology have nothing to do with Shakti. Shakti produces magnetic fields using simple magnetic coils. the actual output from Shakti is no different from common magnets, except that Shakti's magnetic fields change their strength constantly. Holding a magnet to your head is safe, and so is Shakti. Shakti does not put electricity into your head, although there are neural stimulation devices that do.

Sounds safe but hey I am no expert either. Just a curious potential interested buyer/user Seeking info other than what's on the website

[Nomesb69]

I for myself am tempted to contact the institution for more info. for better clarification so I can post this and share with the community.

Thank You,

DW

Please if you do i would love the info you find out. I am would like to purchase and try one. But I don't really feel like being a guinea pig.

[Stillwater]

First of all, Shakti does not use "electromagnetic" stimulation. It uses magnetic fields that become stronger and weaker, millisecond to millisecond, to mimic the patterns that appear in specific EEG traces. The electromagnetic radiation that cause concern with cell phones, power lines, and nuclear technology have nothing to do with Shakti. Shakti produces magnetic fields using simple magnetic coils. the actual output from Shakti is no different from common magnets, except that Shakti's magnetic fields change their strength constantly. Holding a magnet to your head is safe, and so is Shakti. Shakti does not put electricity into your head, although there are neural stimulation devices that do.

But as has been mentioned, it is a basic law of electromagnetism that electrical currents induce magnetic fields around them, and that conversely magnetic fields also induce electrical currents.

You can't in the same breath say that electromagnetic stimulation is not used, and that magnetic fields are applied- they are nearly synonomous.

Perhaps you would not hesitate to hold a kitchen magnet to your head, but maybe you would think twice about an industrial solenoid.

[daytona955]

But as has been mentioned, it is a basic law of electromagnetism that electrical currents induce magnetic fields around them, and that conversely magnetic fields also induce electrical currents.

You can't in the same breath say that electromagnetic stimulation is not used, and that magnetic fields are applied- they are nearly synonomous.

Perhaps you would not hesitate to hold a kitchen magnet to your head, but maybe you would think twice about an industrial solenoid.

I'll second that, having studied electrical theory for the last four years. But that said, before I went to college I had no idea that electricity and magnetism were so closely interwind. It's not suprising that it's not common knowledge. If anyone wants some light reading! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
Enjoy! 

[CFTraveler]

I don't other than what is on the website and that of course is why im trying to find non biased opionions or possible first hand input from others who actually used it.

Here is what is has for safety info:

First of all, Shakti does not use "electromagnetic" stimulation. It uses magnetic fields that become stronger and weaker, millisecond to millisecond, to mimic the patterns that appear in specific EEG traces. The electromagnetic radiation that cause concern with cell phones, power lines, and nuclear technology have nothing to do with Shakti. Shakti produces magnetic fields using simple magnetic coils.

Maybe my explanation wasn't clear enough?
Let's go back into basic science:
Magnetism, when applied to a circuit, induces electricity.  Electricity, when applied to a circuit, induces magnetism.
With me so far?  To produce electromagnetic fields, you simply either use electricity and magnets and produce electromagnetism.  They say it's not electomagnetism- em fields.  They are correct, because they are using magnets without the electricity.  Or are they?  How do they get the field to collapse and reform again?-  But let's say I believe them.  The magnets are not producing electromagnetism, they are simply producing magnetism.  And then applying it to your brain.  But your brain is an electric component, for the purposes of this.

Your brain is a very interesting combination of semiconductors- some conductive material, some nonconductive.  Cells, water, blood, tissue...
The temporal lobe, along with most of the rest of the brain, has neurons in it.  Neurons are cells that produce electricity.  So your brain is an electric circuit that is constantly firing every time you think or pretty much do anything else.  Ok?
Now, the helmet applies magnetism- a controlled magnetic field to the temporal lobe, with firing neurons with the purpose of changing the firing patterns to that of the magnetic field.  You are applying a magnetic field to an electric circuit.
No, the device doesn't produce em fields such as what is found in electric poles or cellphones- the device is producing them in your brain, more specifically the temporal lobe.
So they are in effect inducing firing pattern abnormalities in your temporal lobe- and the results are the same as when a person experiences a temporal lobe seizures.

Holding a magnet to your head is safe

It is, (I looked into it)  Your nervous system works at minuscule voltages and currents, so the magnetic field they generate is also minuscule.  So the em field produced (yes, an em field is induced) is very small, so your brain won't be 'rewired' to become epileptic or something like that.  But the effects are the same as a seizure- so once again, it artificially induces the effects of a TLS.

[Naykid]

Even after all these years I'm still baffled at why people don't want to go it the natural way.  How on earth will you be able to tell if it's a true experience versus a stimulated simulation?  I want to know that my experiences come from me and only me, not some pill or silly hat.

[David Warner]

Naykid,


Excellent way of putting it!

I am all for natural and have been consistent at projecting where I can pretty much close my eyes
and project. I do like *however* the studies and new technologies introduced to compare to the real
experience vs. simulated. Just because the device can help others simulate a OBE, it is also good to
experiment with those who are proficient at it as well.

It is all good.

DW

[Naykid]

Naykid,


Excellent way of putting it!

I am all for natural and have been consistent at projecting where I can pretty much close my eyes
and project. I do like *however* the studies and new technologies introduced to compare to the real
experience vs. simulated. Just because the device can help others simulate a OBE, it is also good to
experiment with those who are proficient at it as well.

It is all good.

DW

Thanks, it's just how I feel about it.  I don't like the idea of anything that might alter my mind, causing me to not have control of my faculties.

[brainsci]

Here are a few links, and some quotes from the linked pages

http://meditation-timer.com/how-to-improve-meditation-with-technology/

" I'm a fairly adventurous person when it comes to attempting technology for altered states etc, and 1 of the coolest things this far is the 8-coil shakti ..."

http://shaktijim.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

"When I went to bed last night after the Shakti session I felt energy movement over my whole body. I was very relaxed and it didn't take long for me to fall asleep. I had the sensed presence feeling happen again, behind and to my left. Then I felt almost like I was slightly above my body but not entirely out of my body. It was a subtle feeling, almost like I was a bit expanded to include my body and some of the space above it. I had a good deep sleep"

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2007/08/25/the-creativity-elixir-is-genius-on-demand-possible/

"To help engage creativity I use Shakti. Shakti is an electromagnetic brainwave entrainment device. I can't really recommend it enough. Todd Murphy developed Shakti and it is heap big medicine so use carefully."

http://sourceofmiracles.com/8-coil-shakti-part-5-wearing-my-body/

"This is my 5th Shakti session and this time the feeling it produced was unmistakable. I felt like I was "wearing my body". The intensity of the feeling came in waves."

http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16017&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

"Some of my friends decided to give it a try and here were the results.
Kurt: Did the modulated 40hz signal on his temprals and after 30 minutes he started to feel a floating sensation. He said that it didn't last long and when he got up it went away. But none the less he did say it felt very weird(in a good way) and that he was stoked to try it again.
Dillon: Did the same as Kurt and said he got nothing. Of course a bit later on he was quote-unquote freaking out. Not really in a bad way cause he seemed really happy. But in the kind of way that you are just overwhelmed with energy and do what you feel like doin.
Gabe: Did the hippocampus/amagdalla(<sp?) signal and said that after 20 minutes he felt like there was a tital wave going in and out as he breathed. He also said that he was fealing it after the session and that he was experiencing a state of bliss as a result. The signal he put on was designed to make you feel enlightened so that seems pretty close to me.
Two others also tried it but had no noticable effects. They were also not very focused on it and were probably a bit skepticle/cautious about how it was going to effect them. It does say to just relax and let it work, so Im thinking that their kind of a mindset will cause it to fail."


http://www.myspace.com/wetwarehacker/blog/101757264?MyToken=bc428823-90b7-42d4-a64b-fbff3fc778f1

"I got my 8 coil SHAKTI in the mail a couple of days ago, and WOW. Let me say it again WOW"

http://www.dreamviews.com/f44/shakti-device-43531/index3.html

"Like with most mind machines, the brain needs to "learn" what is happening and after repeated use I started noticing the effects more. After the third session I had fairly vivid dreams. Best of all, my recall was great and I can still remember the dreams many weeks after the event, even though I was not lucid. On the third session I could clearly perceive a mild feeling of euphoria while relaxing in bed and this was enjoyable. On the fourth session I did not get much at all. In fact I had accidentally muted the sound on my laptop and I then switched it back on and was able to feel some effect halfway through the session. This proves to me that the effect is not placebo."

[restinose]

Sounds just like a device made in the 80's by a Dr.(can't recall who ) called "the God helmet", which was a modified motorcycle helmet with electrodes mounted in it, acting directly on the right temporal lobe,which proported to induce trance like states and spiritual visions.

[CFTraveler]

Sounds just like a device made in the 80's by a Dr.(can't recall who ) called "the God helmet", which was a modified motorcycle helmet with electrodes mounted in it, acting directly on the right temporal lobe,which proported to induce trance like states and spiritual visions.

Yeah, we knew that.  Shakti helmet just goes about it more indirectly, inducing the electricity instead of applying it.  But the results are the same.