So are we knowledge gatherers or farm cows?

[mcdwg]

If I understand correctly, Bruce Moen says that the disk (inner self?) sends out probes to earth so everything can be learnt and brought back. Once all the probes come to the understanding of who they really are then there will be a gathering and a "winking out". He doesn't know what will happen next.

Robert Monroe I believe is along the same lines but he also reveals in one of his books about the loosh production and how we are like cows producing this loosh for other beings to feed off from.

I also read a few excerpts from Carlos Castaneda where to my understanding he wrote about us being in a sort of a prison where we create energy that other beings need to survive. To me it sounds somewhat like Monroe.

So is this all tied in together? Some beings created this earth as sort of an amusement park for beings to come and experience anger, love, emotions knowing they will be addicted to it and they will not want to leave creating loosh or energy they need to survive but at the same time providing knowledge useful for those using the park (earth) to take back after it's been used?

Am I just scratching the surface or am I way off? I wish there was an university to dedicated just to learn this and no one would label you as crazy.

[Xanth]

Oh man... I *COMPLETELY* forgot all about the Loosh thing!  ROFL
I need to go back and re-read those books. 

Thanks!

[no_leaf_clover]

So what was that about "loosh"?

At least tell me which book to look for it in. 

[mcdwg]

So what was that about "loosh"?

At least tell me which book to look for it in.  

From one of Robert Monroe Books "Far journeys"

"There is a special "energy" called "loosh" which is precious and wanted by some somewhere. One of them who collect this energy created a place to grow this energy: The earth. The evolution that has taken place on earth is just modifications this creator did to get more and higher quality of loosh. This was provided by animals who are fighting, during a fight for life, and when ending a life span, loosh can be harvested. But the most loosh can be gotten from the humans; the creator had implanted a part of his own into these humans. When they have feelings like lonelyness, desire, parent's love, grief etc., the highest quality distillated loosh can be harvested, which is by far better than any other raw loosh." Loosh-rote ("Far Journeys", part 2, chapter 6) summary:

[horaciocs]

I was also stunned when I read all about the "loosh" thing in Monroe's book.

It doesn't fit in with the rest of his books, which see Earth as a compressed-learning system - supposedly, one which you voluntarely chose to take part on and use as a school to help you on your path of evolution).

It'd be nice to discuss what Monroe and the other authors meant with all that.

[Stookie]

Here's a well written gnostic look at Monroe's "loosh" I found interesting:

http://www.gnostic.info/outofbody2.html

I'm not saying it's right, just interesting...

[CFTraveler]

Interesting.  I'd like to read the next one, with the 'other sources'.

[horaciocs]

The Gnostic culture is entirely new to me! I had heard about it before, but never read anything on it. Sounds interesting, for there seems to be an extense knowledge of the universe and its functioning there.

However, I wonder how they came up with the "Gauntlet of the Archons"!! Come on, "evil" beings trying to keep us attached to Earth? Was that the outcome of a series of bad enconters with negs?

**Wrote my last paragraph before reading the whole Gnostic text. After looking through it, I see that they seem to correlate the "Archons" to the "Loosh collectors", never met Archons and neither did Monroe ever meet his collectors. AND, if those are, in fact, the collectors / guardians of the "loosh", then it is expected that they should look after their crops. Even if it means imprisoning us down here. So the Gnostics' point of view doesn't seem to be that much different from Monroe's. Sorry for the prejudgement, reading the whole text made it all clear.



The whole Loosh-collectors and Archons-and-their-gauntlet thing seems to have been "taught" to us by non-physical beings, but, according to Monroe and this Gnostic text, there are no actual reports of encounters with the entities.

In the Gnostics text, there is a comment regarding the fact that Monroe never again mentioned the Loosh thing, much less it's collectors. It sure is intriguing. Did he find out something totally disappointing? Are we in fact just the machinery doing the hard work of creating "Loosh", whatever that may be?

After reading about it in Monroe's book, I honestly wished he had exposed more on the subject, but he never did. Seems we'll have to do our own individual field research  

--Has anyone ever asked their spiritual guides what that is all about?



I can't stop writing! haha new ideas keep coming up!

Regarding the nature of the "Loosh", whether it's love or something else, I can see it correlate with the following quote (from myself in another thread):

I've heard a spiritualism expert in my country report a experience that reinforces this concept of "universal love" being linked to energy that I have exposed. (he gives out a bunch of lessons on all we talk about here, but they're all in Portuguese-Brazil If anyone wants to look for some of his work, his name is "Wagner Borges" ). It goes this way:

During a group meditation practice, while he was setting up his students for their work, he noticed a man laying on the floor by his side. The man was dead, looked terribly pale, consumed and putrid. He had worms and other insects all around him, can you picture such a sight? Imagine this man's suffering, being dead for who knows how long and stuck to his physical all the time.
As he noticed the man, he couldn't help from feeling gross, but he managed to send him some energy form his heart chacra, in an attempt to help him. After some tries with no success, he noticed another being entering the room. This time, it was a beautiful woman with long black hair who simply SHINED LOVE. He felt a extreme surge of love and energy and received a message from her. She said that, when trying to help others, it is important to send out not only energy, but also love, since energy always follows love. Having said that, she took the man in her arms as if she were holding a child and went upwards, fading away. After his experience, he stopped his class and told his students about the amazing situation that had taken place just a few feet away from them.

It could be that this sort of "universal love" that we produce here is a way of "channeling" or simply using/transfering energy, making it a candidate for the "loosh" category. (Universal love = energy, packed and ready to be harvested?)

Another possibility is that "loosh" is the energy created by humanity's united consciousness towards a common goal (creating a better world and all that it implies). I don't really know, I don't think I'm allowed to speculate more than that in a single post  


Horacio.

[zareste]

It doesn't fit in with the rest of his books, which see Earth as a compressed-learning system - supposedly, one which you voluntarely chose to take part on and use as a school to help you on your path of evolution).

I've heard that our area of the galaxy is considered a 'nursery' for younger cultures that are planted here by more 'adult' cultures that live further away (more than 50,000 light-years or so). But it's clear that these 'parent' civilizations are very negligent (if not outright malevolent). Many are fighting each other right now, and most consider us either a burden or a resource, depending on their standpoint and our progress - but almost none consider us important. We're ants to them

They send out seeders that create new gene patterns in this nursery area, and place experimental species on planets here and there, then they leave. The new creature is left to fend for itself and evolve with no interference from above. Every few million years, the parent culture checks back (this is partly due to the relatively slow space crafts in our galaxy) and they take specimens and do tests to check the species' progress.

Different cultures do this differently, of course, but this is the standard method as far as I've seen. Some are more empathic and caring, but that's rare to come by. The Milky Way is a very conflicted place right now (I think because it's made of two galaxies that recently collided, and neither inhabitants seem to like each other)

Anyway the reason for planting cultures: Some do it because they like to see life spread throughout the stars, others do it for exploitative purposes. Guess which one we came from. The less empathic parent cultures plant new, younger cultures for reasons such as testing new gene patterns - where they put you in extreme conditions to see how well your genes hold up for millions of years, then they can adapt the working genes into their own gene pool. Other times, like Monroe points out, it's for farming purposes. If the child culture begins to want independence - or if they appear to be advancing too quickly to control - they're often wiped out. Just quick and easy genocide - it's not uncommon. Other times, smaller massacres are carried out, like a well-placed natural disaster that wipes out a defiant sect of the young culture, or governmental/religious restrictions can be placed on them.

In the case of 'loosh farming', I think Monroe says we were altered to produce more loosh, not created from scratch. (it would explain why moments of both joy and rage are quickly ended, leaving everyone in a stupor) A lot of galactic predators would rather alter an existing species for exploitation than make one from scratch.

As for humanity's actual origins, it's more complicated than a quick creation or just evolving out of apes. I could go into it but it's a bit of a tangent

[kurtykurt42]

That is pretty crazy!

They just put a few people on various worlds and let them evolve for a few thousand years and see what happens.

[zareste]

nifty, isn't it? Like a big petri dish

I just noticed what mcdwg said about Bruce Moen and the 'probes'. This is interesting because I once went into a trance and tried to find my origins as a spirit. I got this image of deep space, where some wand-like object was sending out some kind of orbs all over space. It lasted about half a second and didn't make much sense in visual form, but it seemed to imply that I (or at least someone) was sent from the cosmos for some purpose.

I've gotten some conflicted data about my origins, so I don't know what to think yet.

I think the appeal of sending spirits as 'probes' is speed. Where a physical probe could take hundreds to thousands of years to traverse star systems, a spirit can take the astral and get here in a short time (given they have a vortex set up), so a lot of factions will send low-rank spirits as probes. Emphasis on 'low-rank' - even if you're from a galactic culture, they still probably see you as a runt

It's important to note that this is also a conquest method. A faction sometimes studies prospective slave races by planting spirits among them, or gradually removes spirits from a civilization and inserts their own. Sometimes multiple factions fight over who can psychically inhabit a planet, as we see on Earth

[kurtykurt42]

The earth is a big place and there are planets out there WAY bigger than this one.

My spirtual teacher has begun to get attacked by bugs recently  !!!

Apparently some kind of 4th density (RTZ) race has the ability to control these bugs with there mind. He explained to me that this is why fly's move so fast, it's because they can sense your energy and intentions and are able to avoid it on the 4th density level. 

I was listening to the latest episode of coast to coast with Stanton Friedman and he was describing eye witness testimony of triangular ships that are the size of three football fields. There were also reports of strange insects in the area as well. I have a theory that these ships are actually pyramids existing in the real time zone (RTZ / 4th density dimension) and spirits or energy bodies live in them.

[Cho]

Look up Theory of the Torsion Fields, very interesting stuff.

I am currently in the process of researching and understanding what I think is actually happening.
For instance, Thomas Campbell explained the following (Behold my unimaginable skills in MS Paint):


The green is our little system - the Universe, everything physical. The red is the paranormal, or nonphysical shell around it.
Yet, you can see the gray 'circles' are what Consciousness is and the other colorful 'circles' are other systems like ours (with all their differences of course) within consciousness. So, we are merely a drop in the sea, so to say.

Dr. Campbell he said that we eventually will always find ourselves in a dead end street following the principle that everything derives from something else.
I believe something has created Consciousness and all within it, but we cannot yet understand who or what that is since, I think, it has created Consciousness while being in an environment outside of consciousness itself and probably still is there. So we would have to go beyond the system of consciousness to see who's in charge of it and who's in charge of what is in charge of consciousness and so forth. Unless, it has accidentally or intentionally left clues within the system of consciousness that would identify it.

Thus, I think we are not exactly a farm since we would not be productive enough to contribute any power that would be significant to whatever created consciousness. More like an endless amusement park for us to participate in, while something is observing our behavior so as to create other similar amusement parks and establish statistics that would probably help its self development in the hierarchy of its own system, or whatnot..

It is interesting because I believe it has created consciousness in its own image or of an image of something in its system as it is the only source of knowledge it can extract ideas from. Much like how we created helicopters by looking at bugs
And perhaps it finds itself in its own prison cell of consciousness created by something else and so it goes. Someone once said that when you just think you found an answer it is just another illusion. It supports in a way the principle that something always has to derive from something else.
Well, in my opinion Dr. Campbell is right after all when it comes to consciousness, yet I still think he is considering consciousness to be all that is. And maybe it is, but not for me until proven how it came to be, which, I am afraid, will not happen anytime soon, if ever.

I realised, however, that you may be referring to something else. I think that we may indeed be illustrated as a farm for other beings in our conscious system to feed of. And these beings may be a farm for other beings to feed off of them.
We see this process in the animal kingdom, for example.. yet not a good one. I don't elaborate my point well in the post as a whole and I'm sorry, but I am in a hurry and I like taking my time to explain myself well since my condition prevents me from remembering terms and certain meanings of words and it usually takes time for me to dig into my notes and attach the points there to whatever point I am expressing here.

Edit: I recently noticed Mr. Campbell to actually mention something about this that goes into the 'we cannot and do not know' lines. I hope is turns out to be incorrect for the first former.
Best regards

[zareste]

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