US identity, inception in astral

[radman32]

Is there a way to identify concepts of our collective reality in the astral. IE, how our subconscious depicts a lot of our choices; is our collective subconscious similar to our collective reality?

The point I'm trying to get to is, Can you change the collective subconscious to affect the collective reality? This concept reminds me of the movie Inception. Like they go into peoples subconscious to make them think something. In the physical, we subject ourselves to a lot of effects from movies, tv, etc. Is it possible at all, or do people have to heavy of blinders?

[shineling]

I really believe that we are the architects of our own realities.

I mean... reading through quantum physics... even science states that reality ultimately comes down to probabilities. It cannot be and never will be a certain concrete way.

So if you begin to learn how to create your own reality and be alone in that bubble of yours you'll see that inception can never really work.

You are and always will be you... making your own choices at the highest levels of Heaven.

The person who wrote this message for example is gone already. He is in his own reality a few million parallel dimensions from your own. 

[horaciocs]

The collective subconscious is directly related to its conscious counterpart and is constituted by all consciences that exist and all they produce. Therefore, I believe it's hard to mold it to our individual likes.

However, one can become increasingly aware of the collective subconscious and learn how to avoid being affected by it in his own actions (In a ideal society, this influence would be desirable, but given our's current condition, we're better off keeping away from it).

I don't think it takes any sort of meditation or trance state to create that awareness, however. I think having an active attitude towards life, being positive and self-assured is enough to make one aware of his surroundings and of the effect that his and other's actions might affect his and other people's lives.

[personalreality]

wow, that's a really interesting question radman.

i think you could effect your reality in that manner.  in fact, that's part of my theory on mental health and well being (i'm a psych student).  i'm researching experiences like shamanic healing, astral projection, active imagination (carl jung), and some other things, as a means to literally interact with one's subconscious for healing mental "disorders".  As opposed to trying to get at the subconscious in a round about way through behavioral therapy and the like. 

as far as effecting the greater reality.  i do believe you can access and effect the collective subconscious of humanity, but i don't know if the power of one person would have a noticeable effect immediately.  if many people combined their efforts, i think we could literally reshape this reality because i think this is an astral environment that we are heavily focused in.

[CFTraveler]

Is there a way to identify concepts of our collective reality in the astral. IE, how our subconscious depicts a lot of our choices; is our collective subconscious similar to our collective reality?

I think it is- the study of archetypes can help identify collective subconscious concepts, and personal experience sometimes seems to 'dip' into that, although I think the symbols are much more literal and personal, at times.

The point I'm trying to get to is, Can you change the collective subconscious to affect the collective reality? This concept reminds me of the movie Inception. Like they go into peoples subconscious to make them think something. In the physical, we subject ourselves to a lot of effects from movies, tv, etc. Is it possible at all, or do people have to heavy of blinders?

I think when you make your experience a conscious experience- that is, when you bring your conscious mind to the experience, you change how the collective consciousness works- so I do think that if enough people learn to dream consciously (though lucid dreaming, dream yoga, meditation, etc.) [there may be a minimum number necessary to do this, I don't know] the whole nature of the collective unconscious may change.  To what, not so sure, though.

Just a speculation, obviously.  The only people I know of that used to do this as a group were the Australian Aborigines, it would be interesting to see how this shapes their reality- of course, I don't know if we have any way to do this, as we just don't know enough about the way their culture evolved, etc.

[horaciocs]

The only people I know of that used to do this as a group were the Australian Aborigines, it would be interesting to see how this shapes their reality- of course, I don't know if we have any way to do this, as we just don't know enough about the way their culture evolved, etc.

their, as you stated, makes me wonder if the collective conscious applies also to smaller groups, rather than only to the universe altogether. Smaller groups tend to create their own little collective conscious and I think these might be changeable in some easier way.

[Xanth]

their, as you stated, makes me wonder if the collective conscious applies also to smaller groups, rather than only to the universe altogether. Smaller groups tend to create their own little collective conscious and I think these might be changeable in some easier way.

Definitely!

That's where we end up getting the Belief System Territories. 

[horaciocs]

Definitely!

That's where we end up getting the Belief System Territories. 

That's where we end up getting the Belief System Territories indeed

[CFTraveler]

Yes, but I was referring of the possibility of the collective consciousness being changed by direct consciousness, and that in turn affecting how the world works in general.

For example, if you look at a picture of yourself say, 20 years ago, and look at the hairstyles or clothes, you may be shocked at what you see, and wonder how the hell anyone would consider "that" attractive- but when you access your memory you realize you were convinced you looked good in that- and so did everyone else- they had the notion that that looked good.
In other words, the collective unconscious 'fancied' that look- that pattern seemed to mean 'attractive', so to speak.
Now, I wonder if you can take a look at (following the same theme here) what people of your area consider attractive (hairstyles or clothes) and actively think it looks horrible, and come up with an alternative look- something that isn't considered attractive today- and the next time you have a lucid dream you talk about how attractive this hairstyle is (and recreate it in the dream)- and then wait and see if the idea ripples through the collective unconscious and begins to manifest in the way people think in waking reality- see if in two or three years all of a sudden people are wearing purple bouffant hairstyles or something like that.

If it works, it seems to me that it could be used to effect positive change in the world.  Or negative, depending on who the people using this method are and how good they are at using it.

[Stookie]

For example, if you look at a picture of yourself say, 20 years ago, and look at the hairstyles or clothes, you may be shocked at what you see, and wonder how the hell anyone would consider "that" attractive- but when you access your memory you realize you were convinced you looked good in that- and so did everyone else- they had the notion that that looked good.
In other words, the collective unconscious 'fancied' that look- that pattern seemed to mean 'attractive', so to speak.
Now, I wonder if you can take a look at (following the same theme here) what people of your area consider attractive (hairstyles or clothes) and actively think it looks horrible, and come up with an alternative look- something that isn't considered attractive today- and the next time you have a lucid dream you talk about how attractive this hairstyle is (and recreate it in the dream)- and then wait and see if the idea ripples through the collective unconscious and begins to manifest in the way people think in waking reality- see if in two or three years all of a sudden people are wearing purple bouffant hairstyles or something like that.

Every generation laughs at the old fashions, yet religiously follow the new.

I suppose it's also about Leader/Follower. A leader can take an idea and get other people to share it, leading them to a new way of living. The more in the group that hold that view, the more reality will change to fit it. It's also how propaganda works.

[horaciocs]

I think it might be possible to change it through means other-than-the-physical, but I also think it would be much easier to change it through the physical by expressing in your actions the changes you want to see take place.

Take Gandhi, for instance. He changed the way many people think about violence or at least introduced a new point of view on it to the world (in which violence is bad and isn't required to end a conflict). He may not have succeded to a full extent, but, given his goal (change the whole world), he did a nice job.

I can't say, however, that all he used was his influence in the physical. Afterall, being such a spiritual leader, he probably attempted to make a change directly into the collective conscious thorugh meditation and other methods.

Personally, I don't know how to do that through meditation and such, but I am pretty sure it can happen. Again, however, I think using both the physical influence we have and the spiritual one we can achieve our goals much more quickly.

And, regarding the reach of our actions, I think a nice strategy would be to find like-minded people from different cultures and costumes and form a "army" of reality changers. Many small initiatives with smaller goals are better than a few global ones that don't thrive.

**Giving it a bit more thought, we, this online community, are reality changers. All we have to do in order to make a change is to make ourselves aware of it and to be willing to make an effort towards that.

[Stookie]

Personally, I don't know how to do that through meditation and such, but I am pretty sure it can happen. Again, however, I think using both the physical influence we have and the spiritual one we can achieve our goals much more quickly.

I think it's about living with intent. Not just having good ideas and thoughts and living how you think you should, but knowing and intending how you choose to live and interact. Your ideals are your being on all levels, physical and non-physical. I think if this is really done in earnest on yourself, it will automatically (in one form or another) spread to those you interact with.

[CFTraveler]

**Giving it a bit more thought, we, this online community, are reality changers. All we have to do in order to make a change is to make ourselves aware of it and to be willing to make an effort towards that.

... and agree as to what is the best course of action- we think we're 'like minded' in intention, but we may have very different ideas as to what is 'good' for humanity and the earth, and just from reading posts, you can see we're really not 'of one mind' as to what is 'good' and what is 'necessary'.

[horaciocs]

... and agree as to what is the best course of action- we think we're 'like minded' in intention, but we may have very different ideas as to what is 'good' for humanity and the earth, and just from reading posts, you can see we're really not 'of one mind' as to what is 'good' and what is 'necessary'.

Yes, it requires a plan of action to make combined efforts come together on the long run.

[radman32]

thanks all for replying so well to my question. Where it's gone now is totally where I had hoped it touch upon. Reality checks. Idealism. Correspondence. What I wish we could see in this world is focus groups of a sort. I can't remember the yogi's name, but he's current, he was talking about how if all the homeless were given the job to be "light bearers" and would be able to connect into the collective subconscious and help others out, we would have systemic changes.