Experiences with the Wave II cd?

[Steve 2B]

Hi all,

I've been having a read through some of the older posts about the WaveII cd, specifically the 'Introduction to focus 12' track. I bought the Wave I cd a few weeks ago, found I can (within reason) maintain a reasonable focus 10 state, but that's about as far as I can get with it. It's a really nice sensation, get swirly colours and the occasional flicker of the hypnogoic imagery and all that, but that's as far as it seems to go...So I'm wondering if any of you have found the 2nd cd has been of help? I know I might sound a tad impatient with all of this, but just trying to be a little pro-active is all, wondering if the wave II might give me an additional prod in the appropriate direction

Cheers in advance,

Steve

[Stookie]

I'm kind of curious about this myself.  I also get the swirley colors and hypnogogic stuff at focus 10. For about a one week period I was getting intense vibrations and OBE, but now I just seem to get the swirley colors and an intense, real-life image here and there. I just keep doing it as often as I can and try to drift deeper. I know if I keep doing this I'll make it. Hell, I've made it this far.

However, Isn't focus 10 of consciousness and RTZ the same thing? What are the differences? Or why can't one explore immediately at focus 10? Is there something to the "separation" I don't understand?

Perhaps Major Tom can help. He seems to know a lot about focus 10.

[Stevo]

Focus 10 is more of a halfway house between C1 and F2. As you are beginning to open yourselves to suggestion, the body still lingers in the background. Usually it is easy to move from focus 10 in to focus 12 because it is simply letting in completely to suggestion.

Steve, it may be a case where you are analising too much. The problems with the Wave CD's is there is still a crutch. You have made yourself mentally relied on the noises to get you to where you are.

What I suggest is to turn it off. That takes away the sound your body is telling your brain. If you're familiar with what it feels like to be in focus 10, it shouldn't be too hard to bring yourself back to it. After that, don't look for focus 12, just let life be. Exist in the swirley colours, enjoy the fact you're there. Don't think about achieving focus 12. The harder you try, the more inaccessable it is.

One big lesson many people need to learn to achieve different things is to appreciate every step of the way. Don't think of focus 10 as a doorway, imagine it as your play place. Then after that, you might just snap in to F2 without realising it.

[one_each]

Stevo has some good points and I would like to add a few more.  

Point 1: First of all, I have all 7 waves and have had success with all of them.  Did I have to have them?  No.  However they do give you a guided tour to the various focus levels that Monroe talks about.  Some say they can become a crutch, but I must admit I've never had that problem.  In fact, if I use them too much, they stop working.  The Focus 10 tape has almost no effect on me, but then again I can reach Focus 10 in about 5-10 minutes without the tape.

Point 2: Focus 12 is not better then Focus 10.  The same can be said about all the other focus levels.  That's like saying that the TV channel 12 is better the TV channel 10 just because it is 2 levels 'higher'.  For you personally, the shows on channel 10 might be more enjoyable.  12 is just different, not better.

Point 3: Focus 10 is the roughly the same conscience level as the RTZ.  However, there are two parts to it.   The first is your level of conciseness (focus level) and the other is your point of awareness.  Changing your focus level but keeping your mind blank (point of awareness does not change) is basically what meditation is.  Letting the point of awareness 'see' and move is OBE or AP.

[Steve 2B]

Hi Gents,

Thanks for the replies. :)

Stookie,

Funny... I've never had any of the pre-phasing/OBE vibrations in all my attempts. I think in all honesty I'm glad that I don't have them, as I suspect they'd just get in the way.

Stevo,

Steve, it may be a case where you are analyzing too much. The problems with the Wave CD's is there is still a crutch. You have made yourself mentally relied on the noises to get you to where you are.

Well yes :) I guess there has been a bit too much analyzing on my part, as a way of trying to learn/understand the mechanics of the whole process and to get to grips with it all. I never really bought/ used the cd as a crutch, so to speak, it more of a comparison between what I thought/perceived focus 10 to be (From earlier experiences) and what it felt like having subsequently tried it out directly. I can say now that both experiences were quite similar tho I'd have to say that the Monroe method of relaxation is better overall, will continue to incorporate this method for initiating a phasing attempt.
Before I bought it I was either using a BWgen track, or just good old fashioned ear-plugs (For day-time use), as I find external noises quite annoying. In the early morning sessions (4-5am) I don't use anything as it's quiet enough to do without them ;)
In the last few days I've gone back to using the BWgen track and use it as a method (As before)of dulling exterior noises, go through the rundown in a BoB Munroesque kind of voice. Now that I know what the Monroe focus 10 feels like, how to attain it, I realize of course I don't need the cd anymore. :)
But here lies the crux of the problem for me. When someone talks about the nature of a focus state, even though they may describe it in objective terms ultimately it remains a subjective experience, until of course you buy the disk to 'try it out', compare it to your own subjective experience, if that makes any sense?
Again...If I were to buy the wave II cd and try it out I may well realize that I've been popping in out of that state all the time. I suppose all I'm trying to establish is an objective sense of what an acceptable 'launch-platform' is. ;-) Once I'm happy with it, so to speak, I'll be comfortable to let it all just happen.

one_each,

 Thanks. About your 3rd point. How do you get your point of awareness to see and move? Sounds very cool!

Thanks again for help and tips :) I really appreciate them!

Cheers,

Steve

[Stookie]

Point 3: Focus 10 is the roughly the same conscience level as the RTZ. However, there are two parts to it. The first is your level of conciseness (focus level) and the other is your point of awareness. Changing your focus level but keeping your mind blank (point of awareness does not change) is basically what meditation is. Letting the point of awareness 'see' and move is OBE or AP.

That makes a lot of sense. But the next question is:

How does one move this "point of awareness"? Is it a matter of willing it to happen or do you drift into it somehow?

Before I reach focus 10, I stare behind my eyelids and "notice". Soon after, I feel as though my eyes are opened (even though they are closed) and I'm looking into blackness. Then when focus 10 sets in, it's a quick jump where I feel like I'm immersed in the blackness I was looking at (with the swirley colors now). And that's about it. Sometimes I drift in and out of it, or get a 2 second glimpse of a 3D image. I'm guessing if I can hold onto this 3D image I'll end up in focus 12.

Is there some sort of exercise to do in focus 10 to either OBE or move to focus 12? Also, would the sounds on the CD for focus 10 interfere with reaching focus 12 by constantly bringing you back to 10?

Thanks guys!

[Stevo]

This is a point of notice for everyone who's asking questions here. The harder you try, the less likely you are to succeed.

Sometimes I see the process in to the different focuses are almost like a lesson in life. As things we learn in C1, we analise, question, compare, and copy. This is the way we come to a knowledge of what we're supposed to do, and how we're supposed to do it.

Focuses beyond C1 are almost the opposite. There is no real right or wrong way to get the same results, and even then the results are different for everyone. Secondly, if we worry too much about actually gaining any progress, it deters from it.

In all my understanding, there is one big secret to all of it. Learn to appreciate where you've gotten, and what you can do there. Maybe even forget about focuses beyond 10 for now. Play with focus 10 until you've played it to death. Trust me, when you stop caring about moving on, you will.

I'll admit to you guys I've never gotten beyond a light focus 10 myself. I usually pick up on things very easily, and then turn them around to teaching other people how to do it. Right now, I'm answering your questions to questions I had myself, and in a way this is helping me realise what I didn't know I knew. Thanks for your help guys.

[one_each]

one_each,

 Thanks. About your 3rd point. How do you get your point of awareness to see and move? Sounds very cool!

I haven't quite gotten it to work yet myself. Lol.  I reach these states in meditation where you keep your mind empty and train your mind to not even create the images.  I've had success with Frank's "noticing" which is talked about in http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17413&highlight=notice where I reach the Focus level (10 or 12 is easiest for me) and just notice what is going on around you.  A flash of light or a bit of 'dark' that isn't as dark.  Soon other images form and you just join them so to speak.  For lack of a better term, I'll call this shifting my awareness or just shifting.

One exercise that I do is to reach focus level 12 and shift my awareness in and out of the images.  These images become the world around me since it is the astral areas I'm in.  Then I tend to loose my attention and get lost in the moment, forgetting that I'm in the middle of an AP.  To help gain/keep my attention I shift back to a meditative state (empty mind) once I realize that I've shifted into the image.  I almost always stay at/return to the same focus level from where I started.  So far, it has worked at F12, F10 and even F1.

Just a side story on my F1 experience.  Just after hitting the snooze button on my clock on morning, I thought I would see what would happen if I tried this exercise from F1 right after waking up.  I closed my eyes and just 'noticed' and let myself join the images.  When I noticed I was in one, I cleared my mind and returned to F1.  This happened a total of three times in the nine minutes before my snooze button needed pressing again.

I still have problems keeping my attention and awareness on what is going on while I OBE/AP.  But then again, I have the same problem in F1.  Too much thinking about things instead of staying in the here and now.

[MisterJingo]

Something to think about regarding focus levels is that it can take a long time to truly familiarise yourself with the state. What you are doing is training brainwaves and then using a trigger to reproduce those brain waves. To achieve a solid state of a specific focus level, practice must be maintained over a period of time. The more practice, the more pure the state. I can only cite from experience, but I first started using Wave 1 focus 10 tracks around 2000. My state of focus 10 now is vastly different to what it was even a year ago let alone 5 years ago. If I desire it I can achieve a true body asleep mind awake state, with little to no sensory perception of body using the counting to 10 trigger learnt from the CDs.
My advice would be to stick to daily use of Focus 10 exercises and let it grow in strength and depth. The stronger the foundations, the greater the structure can be built on them. If you have the desire to do 2 hemisync exercises a day, then use focus 10 exercises for the earlier session (including REBEL practice etc) and Focus 12 experiences for the later practice (if you have any of the other CDs, you can utilise their tools during F10 and F12).
Using these exercises is no different from meditating daily, I would call anyone a liar if they said a 1 year meditater could achieve the same depth of focus as a 5 -10 etc year meditater. Why should these exercises be any different?
My experiences of F12 have been quite dramatic. There is a huge difference between it and the F10 state. I remember after my first se of F12, the following day I was getting flashes of imagery and depth of thought whilst C1 that was quite amazing. Insights appearing as flashes of image overlayering my visual screen.