WAKE-INDUCED

[djed]

WAKE INDUCED

Two questions...

1.   Is it possible to enter non-physical consciousness from a wakeful state without the body being  asleep?
2.   If we try to enter non= physical consciousness  from a wake-induced method, is it necessary for the body to enter into REM sleep?

djed 

[Xanth]

1.   Is it possible to enter non-physical consciousness from a wakeful state without the body being  asleep?

Yes, that's the entire point of a "conscious exit" via meditation.

2.   If we try to enter non= physical consciousness  from a wake-induced method, is it necessary for the body to enter into REM sleep?

Nope.  As with #1, you don't need to ever put your body to sleep.  You simply need to become unaware of it.

[djed]

Yes, that's the entire point of a "conscious exit" via meditation.
Nope.  As with #1, you don't need to ever put your body to sleep.  You simply need to become unaware of it.

Thanks Xanth for your prompt and clear explanation. 

So if we can enter non-physical consciousness from a wakeful state without the body being asleep, then, there should be a higher quality of the astral experience, being free of 'dreamstuff' and subjectivity.
And yet I can't help feeling there is evidence of 'dreamstuff' and subjectivity in most peoples' recorded astral experiences, even of Monroe's.

djed