The Source and Consciousness

[Sagar]

If something doesn't exist when a consciousness doesn't perceive it, then how can it exist when I perceive it again?  Tom Campbell alludes it to the game World of Warcraft containing memory.  
Memory is an aspect of consciousness.  Things "exist" through "non existence" because the Source contains memory, which means it is a thriving consciousness.
So wouldn't that mean the Source is a spirit?
If not, can anything without a spirit have consciousness?

[no_leaf_clover]

If something doesn't exist when a consciousness doesn't perceive it, then how can it exist when I perceive it again?  Tom Campbell alludes it to the game World of Warcraft containing memory.

Also it may be related to the fact that time doesn't exist as we think it does.

Physicists now are talking about when you pass the speed of light, you go from the space-time realm into what they're calling the time-space realm, where instead of being able to look around and see things arranged spatially, you could look around and see things arranged temporally, as in you could see different times simultaneously.  (This is something that many people who have near death experiences or experience other kinds of altered states report.)  So from one perspective all times exist simultaneously and we only catch glimpses of events because we're on this side of the light-speed barrier.  Dr. William Tiller is one of the scientists pioneering this area of theoretical physics if you want to look up some of his books, which are really thought-provoking.

Memory is an aspect of consciousness.

That too.  It may be unconscious to the individual until it's consciously remembered, but it's still "there," somewhere, in the non-local areas I suppose. 

So wouldn't that mean the Source is a spirit?
If not, can anything without a spirit have consciousness?

I think it would be more to the point to say that the source is pure consciousness.  Consciousness learns to take on many shapes and forms and intentionally forget what it is and what it can do, and play pretend roles with itself in many different ways.

If the source wants to "create" a universe, what does it have to create it out of?  Only itself.  If the source was the first thing in existence, and everything else came from it, then everything has to be made of the source material.  So everything you see is part of the source, including consciousness.  So the source MUST have consciousness too, or else consciousness wouldn't have been able to come from the source of all things.

[Xanth]

Sagar, you're also trying to use poorly defined English words (in relation to the non-physical) to describe something so completely vast and undefinable. 

[Szaxx]

Take a typical photograph of a busy city centre.
Two descriptions follow,
1, This is a 2D picture and therefore flat in reality. It's made of colours and shades. The shades being produced from implanted chemicals and their appropriate reactions to light.
Now thats the physical aspects of it basically.

Now it's time to observe it.

2, See the faces, those expressions of discontent at the kids riding bikes on the seats. Look at the older ones, see the pain of carrying bags that are too heavy.
Look at the shops, you see a McDonald's. Now you can taste the big mac you had last time you had one... The mums teaching their young ones to stay close.
You get the idea.

Notice the difference in the two ways of looking at the picture.
Even though no picture exists in front of you, you can build up whats within its borders by reading the second description.
This is to show you something about your perception in your post. What you asked about the source, is closer to the first picture description.
Its an apparent perception that's suffering from lack of interpretation. This is likely from not having many experiences in connection with the source. This is apparent with the contents of some authors. They read a book and think that's it. With no experiences to back up what they say, the info presented is only a basic description. The authors who have had a great many experiences can put you there with a read of what they say.
However the source itself is way beyond comprehension to our minds.
We have time itself to start with. A future, present and past. One universe that stretches so far it's size is immeasurable.
The source has all time and no time. It is everything plus our universe which is tiny by comparison. The connection we make to the source is very weak, it has to be as the information within is immense. An example is, if all mankind's knowledge from the beginning to the end of time is available instantly how can our mind accept all that info?
The closer you go the faster the communicated info becomes.
The hunch you get on occasion where you just know is most likely from a connection.
It's not words, it's a feeling.
This feeling is very important in the NP. It's a common method of communication way above words or language.
Stronger than this is a clairvoyant connection. In these you can be at the future scene feeling all thoughts of everyone and everything too, watching an exact replica of all that's to come.
Closer still is where you obtain massive amounts of info instantly. These are very hard to interpret as it takes time to unfold the info within. The info is retained in a very similar way as waking from a good dream. If you don't take notes it's gone until it's triggered by something.
Closer still and you've little chance of grasping any of the information.
The ocean to collect and a tea cup is all you hold.
We are not evolved enough to interpret the info as it is.
We use physical forms to base things from. The source has no form we can understand.
We use words one after another to communicate. This is useless, even telepathy is too slow. The only method is to be precise in what you want to know so the info is extremely filtered and you'll revieve an imprint directly into your mind.
This is very similar to a compressed zipped file download into your computers memory.
The file is useless until its unzipped.
Then it can be used if your operating system supports it.
These imprints are the same, you have to unfold them in the correct sequence to be able to make sense or what you end up with is a knowing where the memory is on the tip of your tongue but you can't quite make it surface. Very frustrating, I'm sure we all know this one where you see someone you know from your past and can't recall their name. It's there but ...
Tiredness produces this effect, it makes the theory of our conciousness and memories are stored outside of the body and not within as materialistic science dictates.

Enough for now.

[Sagar]

Xanth, I found that one really hard to get out wihout using labels, so that one's on me.

Szaxx, You're right I don't have much experience with the Source, but thanks for the post.  It leads me to another question though.  If the Source created everything here, did it create other Sources that have their own Earths?  My brother was trying to explain this to me after hearing one of Campbells discussion about this being the primary Earth, and their being other bodies on other Earths containing our consciousness (but not primary consciousness).

[Szaxx]

The striking thing with the source is the overwhelming love that's abundant the closer you get.
Thinking on this it would only be human to assume all that's not love is rejected.
In a way this could lead you to believe the existance of heaven and hell.
However if you then use the thought processes that you develop with many non physical experiences, these creations are untrue. In the physical it's easy to imagine many bad things that people do in their life and despise them for this. In the NP you have instant answers as to why. This knowledge is unavailable in the physical and results in bias. The NP reveals a bad experience that the one suffering hasn't come to terms with and reacts expecting the same from everyone. This is resolved in so many people's lives by a visit to a psychologist.
The problem is resolved by understanding and this frees the one suffering from their torment.
In our primary Earth existance we create many emotional energies. Some of these persist long after the event and can manifest in many ways. They can be interpreted as a parallel world that occasionally interacts with ours. Those hauntings that repeat on a particular night each year are an example. In actuality the earth spins around the Sun and they both are moving through space so the exact position in relation to the universe is not the same.
A tie must exist and a parallel Earth can be assumed. It may be spot on or an energetic form like the reality fluctuations you see when in the RTZ or a false awakening.
It's not the primary Earth but the copy of it is extremely difficult to detect until you notice these fluctuations.
This brings up the old saying 'what is real'

[Daece]

Sagar, Tom Campbell uses the term "actualized reality."  Instead of another Earth and it's history just existing in another realm, it is a probability distribution.  There was a probability that the other reality could have existed, however it wasn't "actualized".  So, that's not to say it doesn't exist.  If you spoke with anyone there, what they told you would just be the most probable thing that they would say in that reality, as Campbell would put it.