Astral consciousness and 'GHOSTS'

[Gandalf]

What are 'ghosts'? Why is this a subject for 'astral consciousness' I hear you ask?

Well, I have seen some weird s**t myself in the past and my ex-girlfriend saw her own fully fledged classic ghost a couple of years ago too, so I have little doubt that the phenomenon is real, but what is causing it?

Bruce Moen has a very good idea, which is neatly tied up with his retrieval knowledge (extract taken from his website):

Ghosts are real. The following is condensed from my second book, Voyage Beyond Doubt

"Several times a year I get calls from someone concerned about a ghostly presence they're aware of, usually in their home. Some callers are frantic, worried the ghost might do them harm. Others are more concerned for the welfare of a ghost. There are some simple things anyone can do to permanently move a ghost out of their house. Before getting to them, let's cover some basics and hopefully clear up a few misconceptions.

First, the most important thing to know is that ghosts are just human beings not living in physical bodies. These are people just like you and me. Like people everywhere, ghosts can be friendly, scary, smart, stupid and everything in between, but they're just people.

Second, at its most basic, the reason you can be aware of a ghost is because its attention is focused at the level of physical world reality. There can be many reasons why ghosts do this. They may be unaware they're dead and staying close to familiar surroundings or people. They may be aware of their death, but confused about what they're supposed to do. Some ghosts may have a message they want to give someone still living in the physical world. There are lots of reasons why a ghost's attention may be focused at the level of physical world reality, but that focus of attention is what brings them to your awareness and keeps them here.

Third, you have nothing to fear from a ghost. Despite what Hollywood horror films would have us believe, such a person is not a threat to you. Projecting your own fear onto a ghost can certainly appear to give evidence to the contrary. Too many people I work with bought into Hollywood's fear-inducing images, and are scared out of their wits, thus adding to their problem.

Fourth, there are Helpers living in the nonphysical world who will gladly assist you in your attempt to move a ghost along. All you have to do is ask. Often the Helper is someone actively trying to assist the ghost, but unable to reach him. Sometimes there's a Helper waiting to move a specific ghost. The Afterlife abounds with Helpers willing to volunteer their assistance wherever such an opportunity presents itself."

So again, yes, ghosts are real. They're just human beings stuck in Focus 23 close enough to physical world reality that some of us are able to perceive them.

Bruce Moen


Do you agree with his theory?

I think it fits the bill, at least for some cases, what do others think?

Douglas
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[clandestino]

Hi Douglas !

I do agree with Bruce Moen's comments.

However I've got a couple of other thoughts to add in; it seems strange that ghosts are rarely witnessed by more than one person at a time. It seems to me, that if a "ghost" was fully manifest in the physical, then anyone could perceive it.

Perhaps, when your girlfriend saw her fully-fledged ghost a couple of years ago, she was perceiving the same focus 23 that the ghost inhabited.

Or, perhaps she was perceiving both a combination of the physical world, & focus 23 at the same time.

A couple of years ago, my girlfriend's mother was in Brighton. Staying at her son's house, she woke in the middle of the night to see a figure, dressed in white, holding flowers and standing at the foot of her bed. A classic ghost experience, but also perhaps, a classic example of "astral sight" ?

Another thing - perhaps some ghosts aren't of the "lost souls" type that Moen refers to. Could the thoughts of a living individual, influence the perceptions of someone else, maybe living next door, maybe living miles away ? I believe that Bob Monroe has an example of this kind of thing in his 1st book, but unfortunately I don't have it with me.

Kind regards,

Mark

[Gandalf]

Clandestino_

Yes.. this is the angle I take. Moen talks about how ghosts can be so focused on physical reality that they can manifest in physical reality..
But what if it is the other way round and it is US who in certain circumstances are able to perceive other astral scenarios.

Hauntings are said to occur in cases of severe emotional disturbance, ie a murder, suicide and so on.. It may be that  this leaves an 'imprint' on the enviroment, and this imprint can cause an effect on certain individuals, shifting their mind slightly 'out of phase' as it were with the physical, so that the 'ghost' is perceived, overlaying the surounding enviroment.

Some recent research has shown that in areas of hauntings, there is a higher magnetic field than normal, which may have the effect of pulling people 'out of phase' so that they can perceive other realities (similar to the research in which magnetic fields have been used to induce obe experiences).
However, unlike the scientists who try to use this to prove that all 'ghosts' and obes are illusions of the mind, i would suggest that the magnetic effect is real enough but that its effect on the brain is to weaken the interface between mind and brain, allowing perception of other realities.

Perhaps it is the scene of an extreme emotional incident, like a murder, suicide etc that sometimes actually *causes* this altered magnetic field..
you then have a resulting 'haunted location'

Doug

[Psan]

Perhaps it is the scene of an extreme emotional incident, like a murder, suicide etc that sometimes actually *causes* this altered magnetic field..
you then have a resulting 'haunted location'

Doug

Although I never found any mention of emotions (and deaths) causing changes in magnetic fields in surroundings, the reverse is possible. That is, magnetic fields(especially the low frequency one's) can cause certain weired effects. Pl check this link -

http://www.erowid.org/spirit/devices/devices_article1.shtml

A quote from
http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/elf.htm

Subjects verbatim reports were quite revealing. (Keep in mind that none of the subjects actually said they felt the ELFs.) The most common verbatim reports occurred between 8.6 and 9.6 Hertz. Common statements were subtle "tingling" sensations in the fingers, arms, legs, teeth, and roof of the mouth. Two subjects reported a "metallic" feeling in their mouth. One subject reported a "tightness" in the chest and another subject reported a "tightness" in the stomach. Several subjects also reported sensations when the ELF frequency was between 6 and 7 Hertz. The verbatim responses in this range were "ringing" in the ears, "flushed" face, "fatigued", "tightening" in the chest and "increasing" pulse.

Sounds familiar ?

The brain operates through chemicals, electric and magnetic forces. These are the (known)media through which information flows, so it is only natural that when you mess with any of these, brain *malfunctions*.

I'm not qualified to say about the 'astral' part, but ghosts do look like entirely subjective phenomena, irrespective of causes. There is a twist, btw, some people have witnessed objects moving around, but I feel that is entirely different phenomena, and is commonly mistaken for the objective presence of a ghost.

[liquidreality]

Hey douglas, i was wondering, are you saying that ghosts  are people who have died and are not moving on to the afterlife so they are still in the phisical relm?

and just incase your wondering i have no religion

i was wondering what is the afterlife what happens there and all of that stuff, or atleast what do you think happens there because i have read many theroys and i am very curious and still do not beleive in one more than another.

so what do you think happens in the afterlife? (this question is to everyone)

[Gandalf]

haha well that is a HUGE subject and really not the subject of this post, which if you dont mind I want to get back onto the subject of astral consciousness and ghost phenomenom.

However for a basic rundown of  the immediate situation beyond our physical reality (the afterlife) i would recomend reading Bruce Moen's website http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/what.html

I know, you are thinking... god not another website.. but this one gives a quick rundown and is well worth reading for the basics and will get you started, i would recomend it!

Doug

[liquidreality]

Thanks douglas i will be sure to look at that it sounds very interesting, in fact i will be looking now....

[liquidreality]

Cool ive ben to that site before but not that page thanks its a very interesting page...