I'm struggling to have my first astral projection experience no matter how hard I try. I simply can't figure out a way to get there?
I find myself envious of those who speak of being able to "leave their bodies" at will, and I begin to wonder if I may NOT have the natural ability to do the same thing. In fact, I am starting to become SKEPTICAL astral projection is even possible. The truth is, learning how to astral project on my own seems to be harder.
If someone was struggling like I do now, but manged to get there, can you tell me how you did it?
Where should I start, is there a place to start learning about this step by step?
Thanks in advance !
If you want step-by step directions I suggest you try MAP (Mastering Astral Projection by Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer) -the book, or look at the techniques in the Techniques section of this forum.
I used to project not nearly as much as i do now. .
When i was in 8th grade the possibilities began really opening up for me when i started meditating every day for at least 45 minutes. I'd just get used to a trance state, and go as deep as possible. Sure, there were many times i fell asleep when doing this, but it has seemingly helped me today in getting into the right state.
Quote from: CFTraveler on June 15, 2011, 22:37:25
(Mastering Astral Projection by Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer)
Thank you, that seems interesting despite the 90-day period, I wish it was less days. Someone like me who discovered Astral Projection a month ago is very eager to have his first experience anytime soon.
Quote from: Under_the_Midnight_Sun on June 15, 2011, 22:53:46
When i was in 8th grade the possibilities began really opening up for me when i started meditating every day for at least 45 minutes.
I can only feel more guilt for being lost all those years, strange I never heard about it early in life.
Check out my Steps to success sticky in astral consciousness. I was on the bring of throwing in the towel and then I phased. I had a very clear WILD and was able to give it a good one over analysis. There is a way of interpreting what people say and not getting there, but ending up at dead ends.
I am starting to project all the time and those are the things I wish I knew in your position. Later in the comments I also post a step by step breakdown of the process.
Cheers,
Contenteo
The secret to success in doing Astral Projection is "HARD WORK" and "DEDICATION". :)
I think the secret is belief...or faith even. Without one of those, it could be difficult..
Or maybe you just have to be a lucky mothertrucker.
Do you practice daily meditation by any chance? My dream experiences and AP opportunities are pretty lackluster without it.
Xanth is right. Patience is also required also.
As a newbie to all this aswell, I can really relate to your post wow. Its very easy to get carried away in all the information and posts talking about all new dimensions, communicating with the deceased, personal guides, going off to see alien worlds. Allsorts. It all sounds absolutely fascinating and I want to be an expert at all of that stuff right now.
I actually found Astral Projection when doing research into possible afterlifes, because it came a real interest to me, for no particular reason. A lot of the stuff I have read sounds far out. Extremely far out, and by reading one thing, which leads onto another thing, which leads onto another thing. Eventually, youre at the point where you believe that it is possible to goto sleep one night, and find yourself with full access to everything you ever need and have a beer with your late uncle john in the Astral.. Hmmmmmm..
So, best thing, is step back and discover yourself whether anything you have read is possible and start taking small steps to what could be a bigger thing.
What I can tell you, is that from my limited experiences, is that there is definately something here in this. By following various techniques, I have tapped into something. Its definately more than a dream. I have seen it, I have felt it. I havent proven to myself that i've projected my conciousness out of my body or that there is an after life. But i have tapped into something new here. Whether its another part of the brain, heighetened conciousness, I have no idea. But I'm going to keep going at it, keep reading, keep trying, and keep learning with an open mind. What I'm not going to do is instantly think once I do project that I'll be able to everything which people talk about on these forums or in guides. Its little steps at a time.
For me, learning to get to that woosh, or vibrational state, or to that state I know im going somewhere at will would be a good start.
Anyway good luck, and keep posting :)
i think PART of the secret is just simple lust and desire to project. during my last semester of school, i put aside projection and spiritual practice just because i devoted most of my time to studies and being out with friends. i still had spontaneous experiences every so often, but they were much less controllable and much more dream-like. just this week, i decided to go on this forum for this first time in a few months and after reading some posts, i was motivated to try and project. i wasn't able to that night, but the very next day i achieved one. i remember when i started i remembered having read somewhere that everyone can lucid dream but not everyone can have an out of body experience. this kind of stuck in my mind until i reached this forum where i read that astral projection is achievable by anyone. within less than a month, i successfully projected. for some it may take longer, and for some it may take less, but just begin to doubt otherwise those doubts will only hold you back from projecting. goodluck!
Yeah I agree with schockstuhh. I think my first projection was perhaps the best because at the time, Astral Projection was a new concept to me. I was very very excited about it and very keen to do it. I still am, but perhaps some of the wow factor has worn off, and therefore any subsequent experiences i have had, have not been nearly half as good.
Also, some of the astral projection techniques I read, sound very familiar to what a lot of people naturally do anyway. Except they dont come saying they are having projections. So I think it is the understanding of what it is, and the desire to do it makes it happen. Perhaps saying "You can't Astral Project, if you don't know what it is." could have some truth behind it.
Also if Astral Projection was that easy, and everyone can do it. Then why isnt everyone doing it? Why isnt it a well known mainstream part of life? We talk to each other about dreams, but not about Astral Projections.
My first projection was only about two months ago even though ive had a real interest for over 20 years. My interest started with dreams and many books on crystals, lucid dreams and astral projection and that was the basis. The reason why i had my recognised ootb (recognised only because i may have had various ootb but assumed they were lucid dreams when i was younger) recently was because of a friend of mine who started an interest in it and that motivated me to start trying again.
I used affirmations and two nights running i had an ootb, i said to myself as i was going to sleep "i am going to have an ootb experience" over and over again and it worked, fantastically. But hard work it is cause since then nothing, but you must keep trying...
To see the world in the non physical is amazing!!!!!
Quote from: wow on June 15, 2011, 22:25:39
I'm struggling to have my first astral projection experience no matter how hard I try. I simply can't figure out a way to get there?
I find myself envious of those who speak of being able to "leave their bodies" at will, and I begin to wonder if I may NOT have the natural ability to do the same thing. In fact, I am starting to become SKEPTICAL astral projection is even possible. The truth is, learning how to astral project on my own seems to be harder.
If someone was struggling like I do now, but manged to get there, can you tell me how you did it?
Where should I start, is there a place to start learning about this step by step?
Thanks in advance !
I can assure you that OOBEs are real. They do happen. Have you tried the pre-nap/sleep method? It's very effective.
It's a very good site! Good luck!
Thank you guys for the feedback, I can see everyone has a story to tell.
Quote from: Astral316 on June 16, 2011, 20:21:58
Do you practice daily meditation by any chance? My dream experiences and AP opportunities are pretty lackluster without it.
I used to practice it everyday after lunch for about 1 hour and at night for 1-2 hours, but nothing happens. I noticed sometimes when I sleep without mediation I end up having a liquid dream, other times I get an OBE (I think), but I can't move my body.
Quote from: Summerlander on June 19, 2011, 19:21:02
Have you tried the pre-nap/sleep method? It's very effective.
I will take a look at it right now. :-D
By the way I ordered this book online, I heard its worth it.
http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/roberts-books/235-astral-dynamics-the-complete-book-of-out-of-body-experiences.html
try to do it in the morning after you wake up and are still tired too. a month is not long at all to be trying. I think it took about 3 months till i had my first one. Keep trying every night and sooner or later you will feel the vibrations. After that it is a lot easier to get the state of mind needed to project.
Keep researching it and keep wanting it and it will happen.
And don't be skeptical about it. Do you think all these people on this forum are just making it up? no
Quote from: astralp on June 22, 2011, 21:39:19
And don't be skeptical about it. Do you think all these people on this forum are just making it up? no
Making it up? No.. Mis-interpreting a very vivid / lucid dream? Over exagerating their experiences? Become so in to Astral Projection they are believing in it themself? Maybe.
I personally am not sceptic. But I am taking an Objective approach, and hope one day to be able to prove to myself that I have actually projected my conciousness away from my physical body. But like the OP, I'm struggling to get any sort of astral projections
there are basically two ways to achieve AP.
either learn how to "short circuit" the process and enter OBE as you're going to sleep or waking up.
or
spend a good deal of time conditioning your mind to allow for AP.
the first option is obviously easier and takes less time, but it is less controlled.
the second option will take time and requires dedication and discipline, but it will be more effective and goal oriented.
Quote from: Astral316 on June 16, 2011, 20:21:58
Do you practice daily meditation by any chance? My dream experiences and AP opportunities are pretty lackluster without it.
I meditated daily for years before I even knew what astral projection was. I was experiencing many EXTREMELY Lucid Dreams and spontaneous OBEs but I did not have the vocabulary to describe what they were to others. The first time I got vibrations I had no clue about what was going on. I thought I was spontaneously combusting and really thought maybe my family would find a carbonized corpse in the morning.
I went through periods where I stopped the meditation and other "awareness exercises" and I can say that, for me at least, there is a strong connection to LD and OBEs.
The comments here about needing to put in months of practice are true.
If you are just curious and want a quick result I think the obe4u.com method, recommended above, is your best shot. Read and even study the SOBT textbook and watch all the free videos on that site. Also I suggest that you watch all these free Lucidology videos on Youtube;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOaNw4RedOU&feature=related
If those don't get you at least a short OBE within two weeks I would be surprised.
Personally this is just a small part of a lifelong journey for me so I will continue this effort for many more years.
I found that I was doing AP many times, very often, but the secret is to be conscious of your astral projection.
And then I was trying very hard i wanted to project with my physical body, but later i understand very important thing, astral body is VERY SUBTLE BODY. Think about word SUBTLE. The difference like earth and AIR. You can throw earth in the air, but it will not leave there. You can jump in the air, but the physical body will not fly. AIR is more SUBTLE.
It took me 11 years till I achieved multiple OOBE's having now. First time it just happened naturally, I didn't even know anything about this stuff, and then discovered how exciting it is to mess with your mind, by practicing lucid dreaming, making yourself used to different states of mind through meditation, etc. Now I just work with verbal commands to myself, like: "I'm going to sleep now, I'm fully relaxed and comfortable. When my mind will be ready to have OOBE, I'll wake up to astral travel." And it works pretty good, although not every time. Maybe it works very well with me, cause I'm one of those who talks almost non-stop with myself. When I was blown away by Carlos Castaneda work, I understood, that I need to shut up and control more what I'm discussing with myself and started to experiment with those commands and manifestations of what I am, how I am, and what I want. And still a lot of work to do. For me it's like - I'm for it, I'm in it, and there is no way back, cause I already know too much, to ignore it and go back in daily routine without practicing this parallel reality. It's just much more than only "cool" stuff like going out of my body to have fun. And maybe it took so much time, cause I needed to get ready for it, you know? To gain some more fundamental and philosophic insight on my existence and value it comes with. Cause now I really know what information I want and I go to seek it. And my creative mind is ready for that too. If there are some borders, I can use it to make my way through it, cause the only border for me is nothing.
NOW THATS A GREAT QUESTION! I have Phased... and discerning now the secret. I believe its all on your believe system! How you were wired as a child. That can help or stop your exit! Some can exit a little easier because of how they were raised and other cant for the same reason.
For instance... if you believe that your all brain power or consciousness only... then follow those who believe that who have exited. Meditation... and such.
For me... i believe we have three layers... Body (physical) SOUL (mental, senses...) and spirit (intution, Conscience) once i learned to separate the three... hmmm make deviders so i know the source of where the info is coming... phasing is getting easier. Just my input... none are wrong! just different paths.
The first step to astral project is patience. Nobody will project within the first couple of weeks at projecting. A big tip from me to you in projecting, is to master relaxation. If you're all stressed and tensed up it'll make it more difficult for you physical body to "shut off"
~astraladdict
I will say this... the HEMI Sync Gateway series is a very nice tool for all!!!!!!! I am enjoying this series. I have never had vibrations on exit, felt them for the first time with this series...
anyone with a little internet skill can avoid the $500.00 cost.
Quote from: TravelingBull on July 14, 2011, 17:17:13
I will say this... the HEMI Sync Gateway series is a very nice tool for all!!!!!!! I am enjoying this series. I have never had vibrations on exit, felt them for the first time with this series...
anyone with a little internet skill can avoid the $500.00 cost.
Personally i wouldn't suggest binaural beats. The way i see it is, if you get too attached to using tools like binaural beats, than in the long run you wouldn't know how to self induce anything. Hard work pays off greatly
~astraladdict
it is a very useful tool, but don't make the mistake that i did and expect it to do all the work for you. it helps you get into the right mindstate, but the job is still yours. (not necessarily directed at you TravelingBull, just to everyone)
and good call addict. but if you need that "proof"factor in the beginning, HEMI-Synce can really help. confidence builder. but yea, don't become reliant on it.
I honestly prefer the "Journeys Out of the Body" series.
Quote from: personalreality on July 14, 2011, 17:23:39
it is a very useful tool, but don't make the mistake that i did and expect it to do all the work for you. it helps you get into the right mindstate, but the job is still yours. (not necessarily directed at you TravelingBull, just to everyone)
and good call addict. but if you need that "proof"factor in the beginning, HEMI-Synce can really help. confidence builder. but yea, don't become reliant on it.
I honestly prefer the "Journeys Out of the Body" series.
Agree with both of you... its a factor of achieving the phase... Brings faith... move slowly to self reliant. Kinda like a baby... goes from Bottle... to pacifier.. to eating on your own... its a great tool.
the following is my experience.
I have alwasy had sleep paralysis since I can remember, I thought it was norma for everyone but when I started asking about it everyne was saying it never happened to them. One day I was looking up sleep paralysis in google and found the term astral projection, which led me to this forum, I started reading here and found Robert Monroe in one of the threads, I researched his name and found his experiences to be very informative and at the same time not attached to religion or, but very analytical and throrough. I bought all his books and I think I read them all in about two weeks i was obssesed with jsut finding more and more information.
While doing all this I never thought about actually practicing to have an OB or AP. i was actually fearful because I thought I was not ready. I feared I would encounter bad entities, or things I would not enjoy so I never practiced. The funny part is that after about two months of just reading and reading and having this iformation in my head all the time I did experience my first OBE, without even trying. I think it was because my mind was constantly thinking about the subject that it triggered for me to have an OBE, it only lasted a few seconds but since then I have had a few more OBE's and several phasings. Throughout all this I have never had a bad experience, in fact i tried having one while getting ourt in one occasion just by thinking bad thoughts and all I heard was a devilish laugh but that was it.
Bottom line, in my experience the constant feeding of astral projection information was the trigger to have experiences, I think it was like a highway with no blocks, free flowing information. In my opinion when we practice to much and expect certain results then that expectation can actually be a block since the mind is thinking about two subjects, having an astral projection, and expecting not to fail.
Expect nothing and feed your mind, things will begin to happen.
My two cents
Take care
Wow,
You might find this helpful:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/why_cant_i_project_invisiblelight_book_reference_for_beginner_to_advance-t28924.0.html
Remember, projecting out of body takes time, patience, practice and it is never ending. You were like me in the beginning even thou I took me three months to experience my first. I was started to feel skeptical and once I let go and didn't expect the experience, it happened. When it did - it was a HUGE wake up call and trust me - It is For Real!
Good Luck,
DW
The true secret to Astral Projection is achieving the state of "Mind Awake Body Awake." This is the holy grail for OBEs and Lucid Dream inductions. There are many ways to achieve this trans state, they normally involve meditation or using mantras. Perfecting the ability to quickly reach this state is the secret to mastering Astral projection.
Quote from: Taliesin on January 12, 2014, 21:21:04
The true secret to Astral Projection is achieving the state of "Mind Awake Body Awake." This is the holy grail for OBEs and Lucid Dream inductions. There are many ways to achieve this trans state, they normally involve meditation or using mantras. Perfecting the ability to quickly reach this state is the secret to mastering Astral projection.
Do you mean mind awake body asleep? Mind awake body awake is fine too though. LoL
My point really is that isn't a "key" as much as just another way to project.
The "key" to projection is about being able to shut off your physical sensory input by ignoring everything around you as much as possible. From there, Projection kicks in naturally. You don't need to worry about your body being asleep or awake.
IMHO, I think where many people go wrong with astral projection is that they don't invest the time in developing basic psychic skills first.
Astral travelling is actually an advanced technique and you have to build strong psychic foundations first in order to perform it effectively - and safely ! These include knowing how to ground yourself, energising your chakras, knowing about psychic protection, and so on.
Without taking the time to practice and develop these basic psychic skills first, most people will either not be able to astral project, or they will have unpleasant experiences when they do.
Quote from: Phaedrus on January 24, 2014, 07:08:48
IMHO, I think where many people go wrong with astral projection is that they don't invest the time in developing basic psychic skills first.
Astral travelling is actually an advanced technique and you have to build strong psychic foundations first in order to perform it effectively - and safely ! These include knowing how to ground yourself, energising your chakras, knowing about psychic protection, and so on.
Without taking the time to practice and develop these basic psychic skills first, most people will either not be able to astral project, or they will have unpleasant experiences when they do.
I would have agreed with you 10 or so years ago... but now not so much.
What I mean is that most people BELIEVE it's an "advanced" thing to do spiritually... but it really isn't.
What makes Projection hard is usually a persons perspective and ideas about what it is and how one does it.
My mother is a prime example... she tells me about her sleep paralysis episodes quite often, and I tell her how she can take those episodes and turn them into projections. However, there's one catch, she thinks that you need to be "one of the special people" of the world in order to "do that kind of stuff". I've told her over and over that *EVERYONE* can do it, yet she refuses to believe me. It's all in her head.
Also, while I do agree that you need to build a foundation first... that foundation should come in the form of meditation. Learning to focus your mind, then learning to hold that focus for extended periods of time is the absolute basis behind conscious exit projections. Now if you're more interested in not doing conscious exit projections and are more of a spontaneous projector, then you don't need to worry about meditation as much... however, it is a big help still.
As for the other things... you don't ever need to do anything in regards to energy, chakras, or know anything about psychic protection in order to project.
In fact, many people project just fine (myself included) without ever having bothered with any of those things.
The secret to astral projection is persevering with it. Keep telling yourself you can ap. Practice meditation and keep practicing. Find out what works for you and what does not work. The only way to find out is to practice. I learnt from my own mistakes. I did not learn from a book.
Xanth gave you good advice. If you think you cannot ap, you will not ap. You do not have to be psychic to ap. I am not psychic and I can ap. My goal is to be able to ap whenever I want to. The only way I can do that is by telling myself I can do it. By believing I can ap, I am half way there.
Quote from: Xanth on January 24, 2014, 17:38:06
I would have agreed with you 10 or so years ago... but now not so much.
What I mean is that most people BELIEVE it's an "advanced" thing to do spiritually... but it really isn't.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this.
I still maintain that astral projection is an advanced technique and shouldn't be attempted before building core psychic skills.
And you're right when you say that
"you don't ever need to do anything in regards to energy, chakras, or know anything about psychic protection in order to project
In fact, many people project just fine (myself included) without ever having bothered with any of those things".BUT, you only have to read these boards to see that :
(1) many people do have problems projecting, and
(2) many people have had unpleasant experiences projecting.
Anyways, it never does any harm to present people with different views and, of course, they're then free to decide for themselves whether to invest some time building the foundations, or to just go for it.
As always, we're all different and what works best for one person may be different for another person.
BTW, I definitely agree with you about the need for practicing meditation as the absolute basis behind conscious projection. Being able to focus the mind is a key skill to develop.
Quote from: Phaedrus on January 27, 2014, 06:23:42
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this.
I still maintain that astral projection is an advanced technique and shouldn't be attempted before building core psychic skills.
That's fine. You won't hurt my feelings by disagreeing with me. :)
I'd be a very unhappy person if I got my feelings hurt everytime someone disagreed with me. hehe
QuoteBUT, you only have to read these boards to see that :
(1) many people do have problems projecting, and
(2) many people have had unpleasant experiences projecting.
Those issues are totally unrelated to energy and chakras.
The issues most people have is usually one of understanding what it is they're trying to actually do... AND they've usually overloaded their mind with preconceived notions of what projections is, which makes teaching a full mind very difficult.
QuoteAnyways, it never does any harm to present people with different views and, of course, they're then free to decide for themselves whether to invest some time building the foundations, or to just go for it.
I only share my perspective... I allow others to share what they want to share as well.
I don't call people out over their beliefs. I share mine and leave it at that... I'm not here to argue. I'm here to teach. :)
@ Pheadrus
I'm interested in your viewpoint on the requirement of developing skills and protection.
I had never heard of them before joining this site a couple or years ago.
I always found the mindset you possess to be the ultimate dictator of the experience.
Most of those having some difficulties in the art have psychological issues that are prevailing over their sensibilities.
The fear aspect being their biggest hurdle whether they admit it or simply don't understand the thought manifestations that fear can produce. It can be a runaway situation which itself instill more fear thus preventing further development. A catch 22 of sorts.
Having to protect yourself is another issue not understood on my part at all. Anyone in the physical carrying an ak47 for protection has some severe mental problems. Outside of war that is...
Size is no indication of power the same as some entity that appears gothic complete with horns ect.
Some of these guys are excellent to communicate with.
The attacks ect so often reported on have never occured outside of the Badlands. (their environment).
Is this a misconception of sorts?
I possess no fear whatsoever and this may project itself into those entities who look for weaker minded targets...
Bemused...
I agree with every one who says the Monroe books and all are great inspiration for going out of body,
but I also recomend the book "Out-of-body adventures" by Rick Stack.
I've not seen this one mentioned here yet. Stack is a student and teacher of the Seth material.
Though I don't follow everything he talks about , ( I pick and chose what works for me from anything I
read..), he has some good tips about discovering and changing (if need be) your beliefs about yourself and
life and going out of body. His method works on the "Do this for 30 days" thing, but I read the book, as did my husband,
and we both went out the first night, and ended up in the same place !
Quote from: seapony on January 28, 2014, 15:57:23
but I also recomend the book "Out-of-body adventures" by Rick Stack.
I have that book. I read it a long time ago. I have forgotten that book. It was a good book. Thanks for reminding me about it. I will read it again.
Quote from: Szaxx on January 28, 2014, 03:06:49
@ Pheadrus
I'm interested in your viewpoint on the requirement of developing skills and protection.
I always found the mindset you possess to be the ultimate dictator of the experience.
I'm sure you're right about 'mindset' being the ultimate dictator of the experience.
And I guess there are different ways of developing the right mindset if you haven't already got it.
For me, developing core psychic skills (such as grounding for example) is a good way of cultivating the right mindset.
Of course, there are other ways that are equally valid and different people may find other methods to be more appropriate for them.
QuoteI possess no fear whatsoever and this may project itself into those entities who look for weaker minded targets...
This goes hand-in-hand with the right mindset - having no fear is a great mindset to have !
Most people are not fearless, and again developing core psychic skills can help to build confidence and overcome fear.
QuoteAnyone in the physical carrying an ak47 for protection has some severe mental problems
That's absolutely true. But you don't have to necessarily carry an ak47 to protect yourself. Having an in-built sense of confidence and stillness (not sure I'm using the exact right words here, but hopefully you get what I mean) can also be a great source of protection. Again, I guess this relates to what you called 'mindset'.
I can give you an example from the physical worldl.
I have two friends who both exude self-confidence and stillness. One developed this demeanour by practicing martial arts, and the other by practicing meditation. I've seen both of these people in scary situations - but no one ever threatens or picks on them. Their demeanour (mindset) can be sensed by other people and keeps them safe.
I think that pretty much the same thing applies in other dimensions as well.
I hope this helps to explain my viewpoint, Szaxx.
Exactly, I have the meditation and martial arts in one.
About 5 years before this any nocturnal excursions were never interfered with by some neg. These were all in the RTZ. Having just started nursery school I would have expected something, I do posess one memory of a shadow being and he wanted out. I scared him... I must only have been 5, go figure.
I was wondering if the consistant 'you must be protected' thing actually had any base.
Mindset is how it is, unless you've got some 'Magic Crystals' to sell extortionately ( those tumble polished glass beads) that is. I love real crystals...
Quote from: Xanth on June 16, 2011, 09:31:12
The secret to success in doing Astral Projection is "HARD WORK" and "DEDICATION". :)
You said it Xanth. That is the real secret. I practice ap late in the afternoons. I am not always able to do it as I have things to do when I get home from work. Sometimes I am able to do it. I now practice ap before I go to sleep. I mostly always practice in the weekends. I am starting to ap before sleep. I need more practice. I feel reasonably confident I will get there. If I fall asleep I go to bed and I sleep until I wake up. I usually wake up about 2.30 am and I go out into the other room and I practice for about two hours. I usually can ap. This morning when I was lying down I saw a picture of colours. I got out straight away out of my body. Yesterday morning I felt my face and body getting lighter. That is when I know I can ap. I instantly go out of my body. I can end up anywhere. I have never ended up in a bad place or seen bad things. For those people who think I am over doing it, perhaps you are right. I look forward doing it. It is not a chore. I find it exciting. I am not tired when I get up early to go to work the next morning. I think it is because when I meditate it takes away some of the tiredness. I could be wrong. I have been meditating for years so I think that would help a lot not to get tired of it. For those of you who think I do not do anything else, I do. I have my life. I cycle and I play mahjong. I also spend time with my family.