Hi everyone,
I have a simple question for everyone..
Why you guys are into this? (I mean phasing and astral activities) What comes in your mind to go for the astral projection?
Is it just out of curiosity or wants to do something big/mind blowing thing to rule the world/to masmarise other people?
Most of the people I have met, were not doing well in their wordly life hence they decided to do something spiritually to rule the world.
Only honest answers.. pls.
Regards
:-)
I have been doing it since I was a child, not knowing what it was. When I got older (most notably when puberty kicked in) I refocused my attention (which is normal, I am sure) to more 'worldly' things and didn't get back to it until I started having involuntary projections. So to make them stop I had to learn to do it on purpose, and that refocused me again towards this.
That's it in a nutshell.
Hi indian, I was just thinking about you yesterday. Nothing in particular, you just popped up.
Anyways, I suppose when I started it was mostly to gain more control over my life and find things I felt were missing - after years of a lot of negative emotion, I wanted to feel happy more often. These days, I want personal experience and knowledge of the mysteries in my life and evolve towards my ideal being. I also want to help others find the same things in their life. It seems kind of pointless/selfish if your not doing it for all of humanity.
I guess I've been doing it involuntarily most of my life. I only started doing it purposefully in the year or so. My main purpose is for self-development and seek answers to questions. Also, it's just fun ;)
Quote from: indian on March 01, 2011, 10:43:14Most of the people I have met, were not doing well in their wordly life hence they decided to do something spiritually to rule the world.
How's that endeavor coming along for them?
The reason why I'm interested in the Astral, in a nutshell, is to hopefully answer the usual questions: Who am I? What am I? What am I doing here? Where am I going after I die?(I'm a tenaciously inquisitive person) And if this reality is indeed the product of the mind, explore and experiment in the Astral in hopes of finding a way to enhance my life both spiritually and physically. Why not? :-)
QuoteMost of the people I have met, were not doing well in their wordly life hence they decided to do something spiritually to rule the world.
(You asked for honesty) that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The words "spiritually" and "rule" are natural opposites, and if they honestly think that using spirituality to rule the world is within the realm of... anything. they are deluded.
That's like saying 'let's all be one so I can be someone else'.
:-P
Quote from: soul_reaper on March 01, 2011, 10:52:19
:-)
I liked that smile :) a smile is enough to say it all
Quote from: Stookie on March 01, 2011, 12:00:22
Hi indian, I was just thinking about you yesterday. Nothing in particular, you just popped up.
Anyways, I suppose when I started it was mostly to gain more control over my life and find things I felt were missing - after years of a lot of negative emotion, I wanted to feel happy more often. These days, I want personal experience and knowledge of the mysteries in my life and evolve towards my ideal being. I also want to help others find the same things in their life. It seems kind of pointless/selfish if your not doing it for all of humanity.
See .. you remembered and I am here :)
The "missing" phenomena is a common thing among all of us.
Quote from: Astral Anarchist on March 01, 2011, 16:06:01
The reason why I'm interested in the Astral, in a nutshell, is to hopefully answer the usual questions: Who am I? What am I? What am I doing here? Where am I going after I die?(I'm a tenaciously inquisitive person) And if this reality is indeed the product of the mind, explore and experiment in the Astral in hopes of finding a way to enhance my life both spiritually and physically. Why not? :-)
Agreed :)
Quote from: CFTraveler on March 01, 2011, 16:29:55
(You asked for honesty) that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The words "spiritually" and "rule" are natural opposites, and if they honestly think that using spirituality to rule the world is within the realm of... anything. they are deluded.
That's like saying 'let's all be one so I can be someone else'.
:-P
Right, but not everyone understands the meaning of "spiritual" as you do. I think its a forum of like minded people and we all are here because of that "thrust".
For me.. this spiritual realm is just a like a "Fit", it keeps coming to me often but it doesn't stay with me all the time. I am a kind of "let go" person and never tried to hold anything in life. When it comes i enjoy and after that I am busy in my worldly life. People around me get so confused because they haven't seen a crazy like me :)
If people know you as a spiritual person, they expect you to be calm, behave like saint and talk about God and spiritual things only.
Yesterday, my mother asked me "What kind of person are you? you showed us the path and now when we experienced amazing things, you just tell us to keep doing it and go ahead. While you yourself gets involved in your worldly things and get busy with your friends, going to bar and doing everything what an nonspiritual person will do" :)
I told her that I am here NOT to set any example or anything like that, but she does not understand. My friends tell me, "See how many people are coming to you just to know/learn all this, but you start talking about latest release (movies) and current affairs. This is not good, because then they say that you are fooling us and how can you be spiritual if you indulge yourself with all the nasty things they hate."
:) so people around me want me to act like a saint but I am devil :) Three months before almost more than 80 people were ready to start an organization where I will teach them, but I broken their dreams and started going disco, bar and started doing what I was doing before :)
Now.. I have with me.. my few friends, my family and 3-5 other people who are real thirsty. But they also get very confused because they do not understand the "life".
I'm into it because it fascinates me. I don't really know another way to put it. I see possibilities and potential and want to take that red pill and see just how deep the rabbit hole goes. I know it's not everybody's cup of tea, but from my perspective it's hard to understand why everyone isn't fascinated by spiritual things. It's just so awesome! Haha
I've just always been interested in stuff like this... I mean, when I first discovered meditation and found that I could actually do it, that's when everything really snowballed towards this point for me. :)
I researched all I could into everything of a metaphysical nature, until I stumbled upon Astral Projection. My problem was that I made it up in my head to be more difficult than I actually is, and it completely locked me. Also, it didn't help that the vast majority of books I read on the subject were so full of crap that it made my head spin... >_<
Anyway... I'm just really interested in all this stuff, Astral Projection especially. I look towards it as a means to grow spiritually and to remain balanced in my physical life.
It's the only way to personal truth (which is a big deal to me because I don't believe in absolute or objective truth).
It can be expressed through many different means that people might call "spiritual".
Quote from: indian on March 02, 2011, 07:03:20
For me.. this spiritual realm is just a like a "Fit", it keeps coming to me often but it doesn't stay with me all the time. I am a kind of "let go" person and never tried to hold anything in life. When it comes i enjoy and after that I am busy in my worldly life. People around me get so confused because they haven't seen a crazy like me :)
If people know you as a spiritual person, they expect you to be calm, behave like saint and talk about God and spiritual things only.
Yesterday, my mother asked me "What kind of person are you? you showed us the path and now when we experienced amazing things, you just tell us to keep doing it and go ahead. While you yourself gets involved in your worldly things and get busy with your friends, going to bar and doing everything what an nonspiritual person will do" :)
I told her that I am here NOT to set any example or anything like that, but she does not understand. My friends tell me, "See how many people are coming to you just to know/learn all this, but you start talking about latest release (movies) and current affairs. This is not good, because then they say that you are fooling us and how can you be spiritual if you indulge yourself with all the nasty things they hate."
:) so people around me want me to act like a saint but I am devil :) Three months before almost more than 80 people were ready to start an organization where I will teach them, but I broken their dreams and started going disco, bar and started doing what I was doing before :)
Now.. I have with me.. my few friends, my family and 3-5 other people who are real thirsty. But they also get very confused because they do not understand the "life".
Interesting. Here's what it made me think: If you're denying things in your life because of guilt or what others think, you're not learning or being "spiritual". Consciously choosing actions in your life (including the choice to go to a bar) is an act of pure will done through thinking - and thinking in this manner is the only true spiritual action that happens on the physical level. We mostly think through impulses (why most go to a bar), but our thinking can definitely be a spiritual process done through will.
Then the physical world becomes something amazing to immerse yourself in, not avoid or escape from.
I may have completely missed the mark, but that's how I view will and thought in regards to physical living.
Quote from: Stookie on March 02, 2011, 12:00:55
Interesting. Here's what it made me think: If you're denying things in your life because of guilt or what others think, you're not learning or being "spiritual". Consciously choosing actions in your life (including the choice to go to a bar) is an act of pure will done through thinking - and thinking in this manner is the only true spiritual action that happens on the physical level. We mostly think through impulses (why most go to a bar), but our thinking can definitely be a spiritual process done through will.
Then the physical world becomes something amazing to immerse yourself in, not avoid or escape from.
I may have completely missed the mark, but that's how I view will and thought in regards to physical living.
I usually do not "think" that much. My mind never fight for good or bad. My actions are involuntary and it all comes sudden. I am really "unpredictable".
Phasing is very hard for the people who think too much. Even not only phasing, all other spiritual activities are harder to perform if you are "mind" driven. I have been a neutral "witness" since childhood and i enjoy seeing rather than getting involved. And this helped me a lot to do good in spiritual world.
People miss the essence of phasing/obe when they read too much and try to classify levels and focuses. What frank and other people are saying, is to "observe" and that is to "witness". Buddha have been teaching this witness for ages.
Mind actually has no use when it comes to daily routine of life. I use it when I am doing programming or some analytical thing, rest of time it is off :)
Once you know this observer/witness you will actually not analyse useless things. The more you are attached with your mind the more difficult it becomes to shift your focus.
It's cheap entertainment. :lol:
Quote from: indian on March 15, 2011, 02:00:17
I usually do not "think" that much. My mind never fight for good or bad. My actions are involuntary and it all comes sudden. I am really "unpredictable".
Phasing is very hard for the people who think too much. Even not only phasing, all other spiritual activities are harder to perform if you are "mind" driven. I have been a neutral "witness" since childhood and i enjoy seeing rather than getting involved. And this helped me a lot to do good in spiritual world.
People miss the essence of phasing/obe when they read too much and try to classify levels and focuses. What frank and other people are saying, is to "observe" and that is to "witness". Buddha have been teaching this witness for ages.
Mind actually has no use when it comes to daily routine of life. I use it when I am doing programming or some analytical thing, rest of time it is off :)
Once you know this observer/witness you will actually not analyse useless things. The more you are attached with your mind the more difficult it becomes to shift your focus.
I disagree. I think most people are on auto-pilot... they let their actions flow through them without much thought. They're too engaged in the material world to ask themselves the deep questions and I'm sure even if they had the answers they wouldn't care. This doesn't bode too well for a strong memory or "in the moment" observation conducive to projection.
The one who observes is the one that analyzes what the other group deems "useless things." Their actions don't flow through them, they imagine all the angles and proceed with caution. This is "in the moment" observation. I am this way... unless I'm doing something incredibly arbitrary the wheels are always turning as I'm highly introspective to a fault. It's distracting in most social situations and probably isn't the way to lead a happy physical existence, but it has allowed me a peak into our larger reality.
I guess my main point is... either of these groups can get bogged down with terminology if they lack experience. That doesn't really say anything more than spiritual or not, we are all still human.
I've experienced sleep paralysis since I was a child and I had vibrations once when I was about 18, (but I passed that off to the drugs!) :-D
I'm 32 now and I experienced the vibrations once again (I'm all grown up now and I was completely sober at the time!), so I decided to Google it and I found myself here. Best thing I ever did, I'm making some great discoveries. :-)