3rd eye opening this morning

[wisp]

Cube,
I ask if anyone knows of this double and opposite position, a couple of times on the forum. Your the first to describe what I have asked about. I always experience this just before getting a flash or vision while in bed or resting. I mental travel, but rarely astral travel while awake.

I'll be glad to find out any more you know about your experience. I sleep usually east/west. It doesn't seem to be related just to north/south.

[cube]

I've had two experiences since I moved here, one was an actual projection while I was sleeping with my head to the south. The other was this one, and it created my double with the head to the south. It could be that it's easier for a double to be created facing south.

However, on this page Robert Peterson says that he has had the most projections while west.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/chap23.html

quote:
I have my best luck when my body is pointing West. I have my worst luck when my body is pointing North

But it really doesn't explain why your double would get created backwards, does anyone else have ideas?

[upstream]

Yes, I have one, hello Cube.

I think that some form of dreaming require this kind of reorientation. My sister, who don't replace her bed continously (as I do my matress), has been experience a lite version of it. Which is: you could be fully awake and knowing at the same time that your body position is not as you feel that it is. The falsh consciousness will cease when you open your eyes. The hard version of it is connected to stable preseparational states in which you have an unquestionable, albeit falsh consciousness of your body position. I have about 50 APs with the hard version, and uncounted experiences with the lite ones. I should research my notes for detailed examples.

My hypothesis is that the first "body" that have no macro-structure (I mean the subtle versions of thread-like structures of vessels, nerves) and therefore able to "do" the 180 degrees rotation without functional deficit is an amorphous bioplasm body, regularly serving for dreaming. When the process of dreaming begin, your consciousness is transferred into this body, then projected into the virtual/astral space by local mindsplit. The remaining, semicoscious part of your being (which reflected into the bioplasm body) seems to constantly register its position - perhaps for security reasons.

In reality, there is no need for gradual rotation, but due the habit of having a body and directionals to move, you would get the feeling of rotation by "levitating" on your "silver cord." So, having experiences of rotated body postitions would sign the increased consciousness of your dreamer/bioplasm double.

This double even can be moved in short distances. I have dozen paged notes about the agressive cables connected to my solar plexus region wich is supposed to be the control centre of the dreamer vehicle.




>>> upstream

[wisp]

upstream,
Thanks for the picture. If you can turn the top figure into the opposite direction, that's what I'm trying to explain as what happens. The top figured does a flip toward the opposite direction. This causes a disoriented state.This disoriented state is what seems to bring on the vision or other experiences.

[upstream]

quote:If you can turn the top figure into the opposite direction, that's what I'm trying to explain as what happens.

Oh my God! Of course, Wisp, we're all talking about this. See the narrow on the picture. (Its originally from Ballabene`s OBE and Astral Pages. He "have cancelled all his sites because of an unbearable quantitiy of spam"...)

quote:The top figured does a flip toward the opposite direction. This causes a disoriented state.This disoriented state is what seems to bring on the vision or other experiences.

Yes, yes, as I said above, "I think that some form of dreaming require this kind of reorientation."

Hm..I'm start to think that I can't explain myself. Just say, we understand you, upstream, please feel free to bonk off! And Cube...he so cube...at least he could say that take my willy, upstream or something.

Feeling devastated because various reasons:

>>> upstream

[cube]

upstream, how come the double gets rotated exactly 180 degrees? I can understand that it would be natural for the double to float around a little and get skewed after a while, but it's not clear why it consistently settles in the opposite position.

[upstream]

This is a good question. It have to do something with the body own magnetic field and the opposite polarities. There are no other direction for opposing something than the 180 degrees. But this oppostition is not a rotation, as I sad above, albeit can be felt so at times when you identify yourself with your etheric double.

In this state, we're still assume that we have a body, ergo a sense of direction. Just think on the problem of the 360-degrees sight you have experienced in the RTZ.

I'm suppose the dreamer double is an amorpheous cloud made up of charged ions constantly emanating and reabsorbing from our tissues. Both the sense of this body and its supposed direction are interpretations, because this body has no real macrostructure.

> Hypothesis #1

Only the particles or the field are reorientated at times, when the special (?) type of dreaming/projecting occur. In the case of the hard version of the symptom, your waking personality would interpret the 180 degrees reorientation of the axis of your polarised ions as a rotation. When I would get only a little awareness of the ordinary awakening process, I could think I'm laying in the opposite direction (the lite version).

> Hypothesis #2

Perhaps, I have simplified the problem a little by saying that your bioplasm body has no macro-structure at all. The ion pools of the various organs can't be the same. Considering only the chakra hypothesis, at least there enirely different pool are exist. Their borders are at the diaphragm & somewhere at neck. Perhaps the ion pool of the abdominal cavities must excange with the thoracic pool to do the dreaming/projecting in question. In this case real rotation have to occure.

> Hypothesis #3

It is possible too, that both hypothesis #1 & #2 are correct, but their associated doubles are different, so the hard and lite versions come to occur in different "bodies", perhaps this would occur in a successive manner as the process of awakening/projecting progress.

[Zonmezz]

Hey cube, with regards to your astral sight, how exactly did you go about opening your third eye? I've been trying to work this problem for a while now and, at best, I've gotten a weird x-ray blue vision and lots of pretty colours.

I'm just wondering if you can go a little more into your technique. That would be awesome. Thanks in advance.

With regards to the full 180 degree change, couldn't this be just a result of the full 360 degree viewpoint disorientation you supposedly get when you go astral? Just wondering. I think a little more practice would definitely help to straighten things out for you. Not that I'm an expert or anything (far from it heh )

Good luck!

Jason.

[upstream]

That was good.

[Sampson]

Hi Cube,
I've just checked my Dream/Oobe log and I had a similar experience the same morning as you, not regards the orientation but the opening of the Third eye or Astral vision.

After having just dreamt, I was suddenly aware that I could see through my eyelids, I could see my bedroom ceiling it was quite dimly lit but looked just as it normally does except for the fact that I could see that there were sheets of paper pinned to the ceiling?

Shortly after I willed myself out of body, I felt myself float out, I would say that I got about 1 or 2 metres above my body before I blacked out, I put the blacking out down to the fact that I was probably low on energy.

[cube]

On the reversed double
So maybe it's like your physical body and your etheric double have magnetic polarities and when you project but don't do anything because you don't know you projected, the double's north pole repels the physical body's north pole and it twists on the cord. Same with the south pole since opposites repel.

If that's the case then it doesn't have much to do with your RTZ representation or the Earth's field.

There have been a lot of times when I was relaxing trying to OBE and it felt like I was spinning, maybe that's where your double has been created because of your intent to project. Because I don't have the mental control to transfer awareness to it, it just sits there and spins, giving me twirling sensations as I slowly try to acquire access to it.


On third eye opening
Probably everyone gets third eye openings from time to time when they wake up, it's really a matter of paying attention to what's going on when you wake. Don't move when you wake, just become aware of what you're sensing from your body, you may have projected without knowing it or have the transparent eyelid effect.

Unless people are specifically looking to see if their 3rd eye is open, they'll probably never know it.

My 3rd eye opens erratically, but here are some things that seem to affect it:

1.) Using the interrupted sleep technique

2.) Working out the night or day before is pretty good energy work for me

3.) Taking a shower before bed helps to wash away negativity and make for less resistance for astral experiences

4.) If I meditate during the day during your afternoon REM cycle and then sleep for an hour I sometimes wake up with an open 3rd eye. This tends to screw up my nighttime sleep cycle however.

Zonmezz, could you please tell us what you do to try to open yor 3rd eye and get the blue vision? You probably know better things to do than I do. In my specific case it wasn't because of 360 degree wraparound vision, although it could be the case of other people. For me everything looked normal, about 160 degree vision but also my head was where my feet should have been so 360 vision wouldn't have affected that.

Sampson, don't know for sure but I would guess the papers you saw were RTZ residue, maybe someone who used to live in your room had them there and so the impression of their presence is still hanging around.

Two things that I've found that limit the time for a projection are your energy level and how much you control your imagination. I've found that if I start materializing imaginary things I lose the connection to the experience. If I stop and just observe for a bit I solidify the connection and stay longer.

[Zonmezz]

Ok. Well. The way I originally worked it is with movement. You see it's a lot easier to see something moving for me then it is to try to see the room by itself. (There's truth in that whole Star Wars Luke with the blind killing the droid scene). Get a blindfold, then put your sheets over your head, then use new to activate your brow chakra (you should feel tension there), then wave your hands in front of your face, you should see movement, though you'll question yourself. This situation gets more prominent in alpha. In addition, if you regularly work at it, you'll be able to see your pinky wiggling in any direction you want to look it under a mass of pillows. If anybody saw me resting sometimes, they'd think I was the kid from the shining. Anyways, this 360 concentrated view is the way that this type of vision seems to work for some reason.

There's a number of steps I've used to get where I am today, which isn't as far as I'd like but I guess it's interesting.

Okay first. New energy ways is extremely important. You need to know what energy feels like before you can do anything with it. In addition, you need to practice getting into alpha. You'll know it when you get used to it. It just takes practice. It's where you're relaxed enough that your body slips into an altered awareness state that's very tenuous. What I mean is that it's very easy to fall asleep in alpha. But it's a lot easier to handle then the deeper sleep states like theta.

The relaxed state is very important, you need to relax every muscle in your body over and over until you're actually relaxed. If you do a sweep and relax say all of your muscles, you'll find that your neck will constrict while you're relaxing your legs, your shoulders will constrict when relaxing your chest etc. You need to practice getting into a relaxed state. And you need to go over your body at least two or three times or you're just wasting your time.

Finally, I relax my brain. That may seem weird, but there is a distinct difference between when say you're thinking about something and you're not thinking about something. (I sound kind of dumb saying that). There's a tension you need to get used to turning on and off. For instance, to really relax my body, I often release tension in the mid back portion of my brain. It's like this tension switch you can turn on and off. If you just contemplate and observe yourself, you'll eventually be able to feel your brain thinking. And different things you think about will affect different parts of your brain.  

Anyways, to make a long story short, lately I've been turning the switch for my eyes on and off. For me, that "tension" area is a little bit behind the middle of my brain. It's hard to keep that area relaxed as any time you see lights or movement or whatever, you're physical eyes naturally kick in and that of course screws everything up. The cool thing is if you're concentrating, you can get right back and relax that area. Anyways, I was in alpha, and working on that area when I started to see my hands move in a very luminescent blue. My main thing that I'm concentrating on these days is turning off that switch and making sure it stays off. I think the third eye naturally opens when your eyes have been turned off.

Anyways, that's what I'm working on, I just wanted to get somebody else's technique for doing it.

Jason.

[cube]

Wow!

Thanks a lot, I'll certainly go through your routine and see if I can come up with any improvements. I like your approach to selectively control specific parts of the brain, I haven't tried to do anything much more than mindblanks and counting breaths. Your ideas sound like they'll help me get to the next level.

[Sentential]

hmmm... it seems I have to opposite problem. My third eye is always open and it closes with my eyes. Unfortunatly its quite disorienting at times having it open and such.

Everything I see is covered in static, not to mention seeing all the ghosties swimming around. Unfortunatly I need to further hone my senses cuz its impossible to have depth perception with only one eye. I hope my other 2 can compensate

[cube]

Sentential how did you get your eye to open permanently?

When my third eye is open, for me it's like looking though my normal eyes not like a single eye in my forehead. Many times I only have energy to open one astral eye and I watch the astral eyelid wavering up and down as it runs out of energy and I lose it.

[Sentential]

Ya know.... thats a damn good question. Sadly I dont know. I have no training and am looking to find anwsers myself. For me its always been like this. Although its open its clarity is somewhat poor. Yes I always see auras, yes I always see ghosts too.

But its soo damned annoying in another sense. Plus its a real grump to get any sleep watching spirits swim and swirl across your ceiling. Ive begun to meditate extensively again... I think Im begining to see my aura in color again.

As for the vision... I dont know what normal is. I guess its like everyone elses, but like I said everything has a static on it. Especially the sky. There is alot of that stuff on the sky.

As best as I can describe it, it looks like life thru a bad TV. but the static bends and shifts around auras and spitits etc.

Im not sure if thats the third eye or not, but from what I hear it sounds an aweful lot like that

[cube]

That's interesting, when you look at a photograph does it has etheric ghosts and things in it or do pictures filter out the astral stuff?

Can you look at people and tell things about them that others can't?

[Sentential]

Hmmmm. Actually the TV and photos dont have that. Thats odd you mention that. But as for the finding things out. Im not really trained in telepathy quite yet.

I mainly see on a base emotion level. However I have an inherent ability of mind control. Ive been told that my "presense" is quite intoxicating. When Im happy EVERYONE is..... its really weird. I used to have to OBE to get the ability to work. But now it seems to work sub-conciously now without direct control, like its got a mind of its own.

Not only that but everyone knows me... and I dont know them. Just today I had someone talk to me and I dunno who she was, yet she knew my name and everything, and I didnt recognise her, not to mention her name. This sorta stuff has been happening ALOT recentally

Not to mention pplz as fastfood resteraunts knowing me and making lengthy conversation like Im a close friend or somethin. Just really weird stuff. Ive even had strangers say I look / feel familiar and they ask me my name. It seems like I have a very strong PSI pull on pplz. I still dont quite know what to make of it yet.

Im not sure what's causing it. The 3rd eye, or the fact that I modified the way my Aura works. Im not sure which it is but there is something causing this, cuz my friends dont have this problem.

Anyhoo... I should specifiy that my 3rd eye, although open is usually half open and not focused. Focusing it takes alot of attn and the static mesh increases greatly, including its clarity. But I want it to be 20/20 good.

Ive had the gift all my life. But only recentally have I devolped it any. I know there is some purpose but I havnet found it yet

[Zonmezz]

Hmmmm interesting. I'm wondering if maybe you could try the experiment with the blanket over your head and you moving your hands. You may be in for a nice surprise. Or not... *shrugs*

Heh. maybe I need to apply more energy to my third. I guess I'll try that next.

Jason.

[upstream]

Hello Cube, thanks your feedback.

quote:So maybe it's like your physical body and your etheric double have magnetic polarities and when you project but don't do anything because you don't know you projected, the double's north pole repels the physical body's north pole and it twists on the cord. Same with the south pole since opposites repel.

If I understand you correctly, you said above, that the double has a magnetic field corresponding with the physical body, so when it's raised above the body it is forced to rotate on the cable by magnetic attraction/repulsion:

            
NN-----SS  physical body & its double are in sync


N-----S   double
N-----S   body


S-----N  double
cord
N-----S  body


It can explain all the symptomps of the "hard version." The rotation will occur automatically when the body and its double come out of alignment. Role of the Earth's magnetic field is eliminated as well. We should be pleased by this simple and elegant explanation. Tanks your idea, Cube. But what do you mean by "RTZ representation"?

Perhaps there is an another, but dorsoventral polarisation which lift up the double. So, the double have at least two magnetic field perpendicular on each other. The dorsoventral polarisation lift up the double, the rostrocaudal polarisation rotate the double. The only requirement is to set free the double by deep muscular relaxation/REM-paralysis. It's simple, like shitting in bed.

The double of the hard version is not a habit forced interpretation of the expanded bioplasm body as I explained before, but indeed an independent body itself. A totally independent, perfectly human-shaped etheric body - a nightmare for the mainstream scientists. It can be a field-complexum which originate from the vacuum, and organize the body by morphogenetic control. Unluckily, it seems to me, that this can't explain the "lite version."

quote:There have been a lot of times when I was relaxing trying to OBE and it felt like I was spinning, maybe that's where your double has been created because of your intent to project. Because I don't have the mental control to transfer awareness to it, it just sits there and spins, giving me twirling sensations as I slowly try to acquire access to it.

When you awake from a dream you may feel a great urge to move. You could turn this tension into an OBE by not moving phyically but imagining one of your arms moving like a flag or setting a spinning sensation similar you have mentioned. At least 100 of my OBEs are occured by this manner. First I'll make the feeling that I'm lying in little a tornado spinning around my body. I found that easier to transform the tornado sensation into the feeling of a spinning double by centering the vortex at the height of my neck. You should do the vortex movement at least 3-5 minutes without moving to being sure that you could or couldn't able to spin yourself out. If you feel yourself spin, you can easily detach your double by increasing the speed of your spinning and concentrating a point above your head.

[cube]

upstream,
I have a feeling the reason the double tends to float upward is something like astral bouancy, the double operates at a slightly higher frequency than your physical body's etheric aura so the double is less dense and floats toward the lower energy level up away from the earth. It's probably like oil and water droplets separating out.

The double doesn't float up forever because there's some tension from the cord, and it rotates around due to like-like repulsion and settles in the opposite orientation from like-same attraction.

I'm not sure that the light/hard versions of the double are all that important since either way they have poles on either end and operate at a higher frequency.

I'll to try your 3-5 minute spinning suggestion to try to separate, thanks for the suggestion!

[cube]

Sentential,
I've found that astral vision is a lot more powerfult than physical vision, for instance if I stop and stare at something it zooms in down to microscopic vision. You could probably look at subatomic particles if you tried.

I've also found that you can look through things like x-ray vision and can control the depth of where you want the x-rays to end. I had a dream where there was a teacher who had these odd-shaped wooden boxes with many compartments. Some compartments had false floors that you could take out and see if there was anything underneith.

The idea was that some compartments has objects and you had to control the depth of your x-ray vision and see which one had an object.

There's probably a lot more to astral vision than I've discovered, I would imagine you can have telescopic vision and look at an ant in a galaxy a zillion light milleniums away.

I've tried to look at my aura but my color perception isn't very good in OBEs yet because of my low energy problems. I have seen parts of my aura but I really don't know what the true colors are.

I bet you can also look at something and see versions of it in the past, and examine its history.

Have you tried stuff like this with your 3rd eye vision?

[Sentential]

I dunno... its kinda odd, which is partly why Im here. I never really learned to use it for that kinda purposes. Ive focused my abilities solely for defense.

I didnt know that the 3rd eye could be used for that purpose. I do know *exactally* whatcha mean by the focusing effect that you describe.

However, like I said mine was used for defence against the visitors that kept attacking me as a kid. I used it mainly as a radar-scope, to see where they were coming from, thus it stays open all the time.

Its kinda hard to get a clear shot on an attacker when you cannot see him[8D]

Thats quite interesting tho.... im gonna look into it further. Maybe Ill learn something important today.

[cube]

Yeah let us know of the stuff you find out about your vision.

I went to sleep last night focusing attention on my 3rd eye and woke up with a nasty head ache. Do you know of a way to develop the 3rd eye without headaches?

[Sentential]

Nope... I call that "burnout". From my experiences the 3rd eye is the absolute most draning chakra point on the body. In a strange sense its almost paracytic. Once you give it xxxxx energy it will pull more and more, almost like a cascading effect, effectively wholly draining your whole aura.

The best way Ive found to train it is endurance. Give it a little energy all day long. Dont open it all the way, just crack it open and keep it there. Slowly each week or whatever, slowly open it more and more, until you have the strength to sustain it.