3rd eye opening this morning

[cube]

That's definitely a valuable tip! Do you have any tricks for raising energy, like improvements on doing NEW?

[Sentential]

Hmmmm..... this get back to my tainted past... weeeeeeelll thats a touchy subject. I know pplz will get somewhat taken aback by what Im gonna say.....what I *used* to do was draw the energy out of things <which is really REALLY bad>, to fuel myself... ie psionic vampire.[xx(]

Im not proud of the things Ive done in the past. Thats partially why I had a hellova time with demons. Needless to say, my atonement back into the light too a looooong time.

But now I just relax and meditate. I mainly try to shift my chakra points to have a direct line to my 3rd eye, to there is little delay from where the energy needed.

Finally what is "NEW"??

[cube]

It's not bad if you learn from it and then teach others not to do the same thing, the more people learn from it the more your valuable your 'bad' experiences are.

By shifting your chakra points are you literally lining them up in a geometric line somehow?

Here's a link on NEW:
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/new/new.htm

It's basically using awareness to direct energy through your body.

I'm going to go outside and practice using my 3rd eye, are there any more tips you have like stuff you like to do when you're just walking around seeing things?

[Sentential]

OOOOOOH Ho ho.... I learned the hardway alright. NEVER....NEVER attempt to learn abilities that even slightly use neg power, not even unknowningly. Bad things happen when you do.

Im not really sure how I get a direct feed. All I do is mentally set all my chakra points to feed into my 3rd eye. I dont know if they are lined up or not. All I do is feel the energy and sift it to where I want.

BTW thnx for the link

[upstream]

1. further theories on the rotation of the dreaming double

In the case of the "light version" you don't feel yourself above your body. You feel perfectly awake and normal in every sense, except, you know that the orientation you feel is falsh. By opening your eyes, your felt orientation will snap back to its original. It is very easy to loose the falsh orientation even without opening the eyes, but you could always restore it easily. This is all very curious, because if you try to get the feelings of the opposite orientation from awake, you'll come to a conclusion that this consciousness is something that very difficult to get. Because you feel yourself in your body all the time, this consciousness can't be explained by the double of the "hard version."

If we assume that the simple attraction/repulsion modell is correct, the double's opposite orientation have to be stable and there are no reason to reorientate itself when forced to retract by the cable at awakeing. There are two problems with the "light version:" 1. absence of mechanism responsible for the reorientation; 2. absence of feeling of rotation at reorientation....Some ingredient is still missing.


2. some observation on etheric separations

If I'm in a state of deep trance charcterised by very low muscle tone (not real paralysis of the REM-sleep) and try to move by great force the pressure felt on my lower body will increase (see my post "how to paralyse yourself") to the point when I'm able to detach my double. At this point the double is attached to my lower body by a honey like flow of substance made up from threads. I think, this is the first version of the cable with diameter 20-30 cm. If I succeded to detach fully, the honey will saved back and another cable type will emerge. I've observed agressive cables attached to my solar plexus regio dozen of times. At least 5-10 times the attachment regio gradually moved up when I was increased the length of separation. The sight will turn on when the cable attachment point on my double reach a point situated between my heart and the base of my neck. The pull and diameter of the cable will decrease by distance in an exponential manner. I've read somewhere, that the attachment point correspond to the exact state and composition of the double. I think this is correct, and the entire process is similar with the natural lifting up of the double when special (?) dreaming is occur. But in the vase of dreaming the attachemnt point will stop at the solar plexus.


3. practical aspects of the double rotation

Imagining myself sleeping at a remote location, preferably a place where I slept before, is proved to be a good way for me to enter REM-sleep with full awareness. It is very possible, that holding the feelings of sleeping in the opposite direction is a good way for inducing an OBE. As I said above, this consciousness is very difficult to get. Even if I would find myself being unable to detach after succesfully stabilize the feelings of lying in the opposite direction, success to enter to dreaming by holding the consciousness of being a remote location is supposed to increase.

The entire process could evolve like a pyramid shaped protocol: (1) relaxation => (2) stabilizing the consciousness of the opposite direction => (3) holding/enter the dream => (4) return to the consciousness of the opposite direction => (5) awakening.

The act of the 4th point is very important, and can be used to stabilize and prolong dreaming. Years ago, I have been making experiences with matching the posture of my dream body to my phyisical. As you can read in one of my previous post ("Dream approach..."), this practice proved to be very useful to turn LDs into OBEs. Couple of weeks ago I found a new variation of this technique to "superstabilize" dreaming. In 3 LDs I've found that when I have matched the posture of my dream body with the exact posture of my physical body by a fault (I continously change my sleeping place), but in opposite orientation, I can't wake up by will. This simple act prolonged and stabilized all the four dreams to the point where I've began to experience claustrofobic feelings (~ 1+ hour in dreaming time. This is not a placebo, because up to this moment I was not aware of this pattern.


>>> upstream

[wisp]

Upstream,
Thank you for your detailed descriptions. I understood your original post in this thread better after reading it a second time. I saw the arrow you mentioned (in the picture). However, the arrow suggests a spinning action. Cube seemed to identify with it. However the action for me is more like a somersault or flip over action.I guess it really doesn't matter. I've never seen a silver cord. I've read that some do and some don't.

Now I'm trying to picture the triangle you mentioned in your last post. It sounds interesting. []

[upstream]

Perhaps its not too late to make definitions I forget before, Wisp.

By rotation I meant circular movements resembling to those what a spike of a compass does. The double "rotate" on the axis of silver cord moving on a vertical plane parallel with the body axis.



By spinning/vortex I mean an another type of circular movements (no picture) perpendicular to the rotation, so the double "spin" like a log in water. This is a standard movement to generate and detach the double.

Hm...what do you mean by "picturing the triangle?"

[wisp]

upsteam's quote:

quote:The entire process could evolve like a pyramid shaped protocol: (1) relaxation => (2) stabilizing the consciousness of the opposite direction => (3) holding/enter the dream => (4) return to the consciousness of the opposite direction => (5) awakening.

This is the part I wanted to understand,upstream.

[upstream]

from
http://www.astralframeworks.com/metrics.html

quote:Your body doesn't have to be completely asleep for you to try out this technique but you want to be in Phase 3 as it may help trigger an astral projection, and the techniques in this phase may come in handy. Ideally, you want to be in a very relaxed state, so at least be at Phase 3 Round 1 before you begin. So anyway here's the trick:

Lying down position: With your eyes closed you're going to imagine your head is where your feet are and your feet are where your head is. Try this by not trying to bend your mind but by bending your surroundings. For example, if the bedroom door is over to your left while your lying down, then imagine it is over to your right. If it's down towards the direction of your feet imagine its now up behind your head. Even for non visual people this trick is extremely easy, but if you can't feel this, then simply open your eyes, get some bearings, and then flip position and see the room for that angle, and then flip back. Remember, you're simply shifting your conscious perception of where you head is relative to your feet, but flipping your spatial perception of the room.

Sitting position: With your eyes closed you're going to imagine that you're facing the opposite direction so that you now looking out the back of your head. Again, the trick is to imagine the room around you changing, such as the door to the bedroom being on the lefthand-side of your body instead of the righthand-side. If you have trouble visualising this then have a look at the room with your eyes open and from both positions then close your eyes and imagine you're in the opposite position.

Once you've convinced yourself that everything has really flipped where going to take this one step further and shift your concsiousness out of your body.

Also, the method, which is basically counting breaths is worth a check. I use similar - but far less sofisticated - method to let started my OBEs.

Cube, I'm sad to report that we're not the Father of Rotation.

[cube]

I asked about the reversed body doulbe effect in the Mediating an Archangel thread. The reply was that we're seeing the effects of a mirror and it's similar to how in dreams it's easy to get numbers out of order.

[cube]

upstream this trick you have sounds a lot like some of Stuart Wilde's "etheric manuvers" where he imagines stretching his etheric body all over the place. Recently in meditation I've become aware of a cloud of awareness that forms over me and I'm going to try your spinning idea and spin the cloud around to see what happens.

[upstream]

It's obviously not my idea - unfortunetly. But if it works, our duty to popularize it.

quote:we're seeing the effects of a mirror and it's similar to how in dreams it's easy to get numbers out of order

I don't understand you at all, but I'll make a visit to that thread.

quote:Recently in meditation I've become aware of a cloud of awareness that forms over me and I'm going to try your spinning idea and spin the cloud around to see what happens.

I hope it's clear for you, that the rotation of etheric double you try to accomplish (good luck and don't forget to report your experiences) is not the same with laying back in a dream in the opposite direction of your sleeping body (it's still my idea...for a while).

We already talked a lot about the possibilities of direct double rotation in this thread, but I have only mentioned this inner rotation in order to superstabilize dreaming from inside (see the last post on the 2nd page).

And thanks for the info about Stuart Wilde. Is he the mouse flying around in that Celine Dion's clip? I'll check him out as soon as possible.

[wisp]

cube said:

quote: asked about the reversed body doulbe effect in the Mediating an Archangel thread. The reply was that we're seeing the effects of a mirror and it's similar to how in dreams it's easy to get numbers out of order

I read this too. It does seem to fit my experiences.

upstream,
I've enjoyed reading your posts. It's all very informative and helpful, thanks again! I'm going to try it. If I have any questions, I'll be back. []

[upstream]

Thanks Wisp, I do my best.

Concluded from my very limited success of Rope (excluding RB is anyone at all able to do that?), it seems to me that the greatest hindrance for being able to directly separate the etheric body, is an unfulfilled notion about its putative "solidness." If other people are like me, they try to separate their etheric body as it would be a second physical body. Due to this misconception, they will tense up all the time, especially in their legs.

By succesfully holding the body sense of opposite orientation, this misconceptions will be gone naturally. The first separable portion of the energy body is the bioplasm associated to the solar plexus regio. Its dislocation will cause the "torso energy rush" sensation. However, the best body for RTZ travelling is associated to the hearth regio, representing a more subtle type of energy.

So, from purely a theoretical point of view, the double rotation should facilitate any kind of OBE, because anyone who is capable to hold stable the sense of their rotated positon will get off the hindrance of tensing up at separation due to the total abolishion of the false identification with the physical body.

Hope it makes sense.

[wisp]

upstream,

quote:So, from purely a theoretical point of view, the double rotation should facilitate any kind of OBE, because anyone who is capable to hold stable the sense of their rotated positon will get off the hindrance of tensing up at separation due to the total abolishion of the false identification with the physical body.

Hope it makes sense.

This explains a lot! And it does make sense. []

[upstream]

There is no doubt in my mind, Stuart Wilde's site is loaded with a great amount of excrement, but I like it. One of my favorite one is from the article called "Avoid Yoga, It's Deadly."

From http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_aviod_yoga.htm

quote:You will never meet a yoga person that's not allergic or sick or weak, or dying in front of your eyes. Have you ever wondered why? I'll tell you my theory below. I reckon yoga is deadly, they all seem to be dying from it. Here's the reason but first let me explain. One thing we discovered from the wars against the ghouls is that some of them come up from an angle of 225° below you. (...) They come up through the floor or from drains and toilets from an unseen dimension below you. (...) They are devilish, etheric beings, golden colored. They look and fly like fireflies and they sting like hornets. You can dodge them because they don't move very fast but the problem is they come gang-handed. You knock a dozen down and there are fifty more behind you. (...) Well, those little buggers came up via the floor at 225°. I found it interesting that 225° is two thirds (66.6%) of the way round a compass or circle, the same numerology as the beast (666). When you are on the yoga mat, you are very vulnerable to attack from the ghouls below, who will attempt to get up inside your body. Women are even more vulnerable when their yoni is on the ground like that, exposed. It's harder for the ghouls to get up a man's penis but they will definitely try it the other way.

Most of his statements are hard to believe in, resembling efforts to crystallising farts. But who knows? You might find my hypothesis are from the same kind of background. It seems I'm very lucky with my exceptionally long penis.

Some interesting stuff on his site might be connected to rotation (from http://www.stuartwilde.com/articles/sw_articles_mirror_world.htm):

quote:Tiller's basic theory is that there is a second space, most likely primary to our four dimensional (three dimensions plus time) space. He refers to our (four dimensional) electromagnetic space as D-Space. The reciprocal space or R-Space, as Tillers has labeled it, is also a four dimensional space. However R-Space is not composed of an electromagnetic wave structure but rather a wave structure, which Tiller calls magnetoelectric. (...) Professor Tiller's experiments were designed to show that human intent (both mental and emotional) altered matter in our D-Space by activating magnetic wave structure of R-Space. He used as his subjects professional healers and professional meditators. (...) The premise of his work was that he believed conscious intent (a magnetic pulse) altered R-Space and as a result R-Space's interaction with D-Space altered it. The way Tiller explains the interaction between these two dimensions is that they are a type of mirror image of each other. His mirror image is not a perfect reflection of each other but rather an image of information being sent from one to the other (R-Space to D-Space and back). (...) Since R-Space is composed of the stuff of our conscious, this space acts as an amplification of conscious intent (i.e. I produce the particle where I expect to see it). This reciprocal field is also a potential medium for non-local activity such as distant viewing and healing. Since R-Space is not measurable with electromagnetic instruments, non-local activity or travel (i.e. information moving from one locale to another with out passing through the intervening space) can occur here and we are absolutely blind to it.

It's somewhat shooting that Tiller is a real person. Interesting excerpts from "The Tiller Model" @ http://tillerfoundation.com/tillermodel.htm

quote:My working hypothesis is that we are primarily elements of spirit, indestructible and eternal and "multiplexed" in the Divine. As such, we have a mechanism of perception which is a ten-dimensional mind domain. In turn, this mind mechanism creates a vehicle for our experience - our cosmos, our local universe, our solar system, our planet, our physical bodies, etc. This is all a "simulator" for our experience which we view from the spiritual level of self which is outside the simulator (*1).

The Tillman Simulator:

[image]http://tillerfoundation.com/tillerfig5.gif[/image]

quote:Its substructure involves two interpenetrating and conjugate 4-spaces (the physical and etheric substance domains that together form an 8-space) imbedded in a 9-space (emotional domain) which is, in turn, imbedded in a 10-space (mental domain). (...) These conjugate 4-spaces are thought to bear a special "mirror"-type relationship to each other, one being of the distance-time variety and the other being of its inverse (a frequency domain). The former is the home of electric matter of positive mass traveling at velocities slower than the speed of light, c, while the latter is the home of magnetic matter of negative mass traveling at velocities faster than the speed of light, c. Images of the magnetic charges in the "mirror" form magnetic dipoles in the distance-time domain so that the interaction of the electric charges with these magnetic dipole images constitute our conventional electromagnetism. Images of the electric charges in the "mirror" form electric dipoles in the frequency domain so that the interaction of the magnetic charges with the electric dipole images constitute another field of the magnetoelectric variety in that domain that is not observable by our conventional senses. To a close approximation, the configuration of magnetic substance in the frequency domain bears a "Fourier Transform" type of relationship with the configuration of electric substance in the distance-time domain. It is the interaction between these "matters", as viewed from the distance-time side of the "mirror", that constitutes what we presently call quantum mechanics.

While you study the table below, it can be helpful to keep in mind the supposed ability of the etheric double to levitation and rotation.

[image]http://tillerfoundation.com/tillertab4.gif[/image]

Is it possible that the bioplasm which composed the double is situated exactly at the midpoint between the D-Space & the R-Space?

The solar plexus regio is considered as the centre of will, kind of transmitter between ideas and physical events. Dreaming - which require the displacement of the bioplasm double - is supposed to have a similar function. Also, it's interest to note, that the homeopathic frequencies of the dream center situated @ neck is ~500Hz which is the upper harmonic of the solar plexus's homeopatic frequency (~250Hz). (refs.: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm & the 3rd point of the last post on the 2nd page of this thread about possible application of the interconnected solar-pleus & neck centers for SOREM)

Basically, R-Space seems identical with the F22 astral word, which is the launching unit/state for astral projections after a non-etheric type separation (or techniqually after a controlled falsh awakening). This seems to be the last regio where I'm still able to lay back and match my dream body into the position of my sleeping body, because going further from the RTZ my bedroom will morf into unfamiliar places and the original directions can't be obtained.

Maybe rotation is some kind of mirroring on the solar plexus as an origo? Does it something to do with our bilateral symmetry and how its interpreted by our brains?

Monroe described in his first book that once he felt his left and right bodysides being reversed. He also wrote about a hole which manifested after a 180-degrees rotation (I mean a half spin to face downward), creating his regular gateway to Locale III a supposed parallel universe of ours. This etheric manoveur makes me to remember my dream rotations (also 180-degrees but on a perpendicular axis) and the resulted superstable dream environments as various trips into a seemingly paralell but very close universe. The most funniest was a very long projection (lasted many hours in dream time) to an alternative Cuba used by the Communists only to store nuclear weapons.

I've found an another application of rotation on a site @ http://www.phenyx-creations.com/BOS/astral%20meditation/Methods%20of%20Astral%20Projection.txt which seems to be a proper description of my efforts to stabilize the opposite sense of body awareness from the awake state:

quote:Displaced-awareness Projection

Get into your usual trance-state and make the desired conditions of the room: insence, music, candles, etc - if you listen to music, you will be able to completely tune-out, as a way of knowing your success. Your whole body should feel heavy and as if it where numb. Close your eyes and through your psychic awareness, try to sense the entire room, at once: feel yourself just above your shoulders and seeing all around. Remember to be very passive about what is going on - "allow" what you are sensing to come-through and only will for "where" you are.

As you begin to introduce other sensations, like touch, imagine you are facing backards, toward an opposite wall. Take the time to feel where you are and examine what is there - the idea is to forget about where you realy are and displace your sense of direction.
When you are ready, induce the feeling of floating high above where you are, on the roof. Look accross the expance, before you and try to feel the wind on you and the distance all around you. Fly to wherever you like.

Upon "returning", imagine that you are being absorbed and slowly coming to awareness of the room, again. It's fun to have that sudden disorienting feeling and all the physical stimuli just come back, all at once.

[cube]

I was laying in bed on my back this morning, I found that with my eyes closed I could get my astral eyes to open about half way.

They wouldn't open farther than that, but I could still see the ceiling in better detail than I could with my physical eyes without glasses. I noticed that there were a couple flat white or possibly translucent things moving on the ceiling. They looked a little like flat starfish that had camoflage to allow them to blend in with the background almost perfectly.

I lost the astral sight after a while but when I opened my physical eyes I got a flash of astral sight, as if I had first opened my astral eyes and then my physical eyes opened and washed out the image.

One thing that was odd about it, I've been alternating laying to the north or to the south when I sleep or meditate. While my 3rd eye was open the view was as if I was laying with my head to the south, but in the physical my body was to the north.

So I think the RTZ representation of me in me bed is a little hazy and has me laying to the south, so when I am on the edge of separating my astral body gets created with the head to the south.

Next time I have 3rd eye activity I'm going to try a round of deep breaths and see if that sends me into an OBE.