Holy cow.
I had a death rehearsal last night or something.
I got out of my body as usual (through astral projection) went out into the street and things started changing as usual morphing into other dreams.
It wasn't long before the Game started and I was off.
This time I found myself in one of the Hells. Probably the higher Hells from what it looked like. Still awful awful awful!
I found myself in one of the chain gangs walking around in a line of people. We never stop. Just go from one horrible place to another tired as dogs.
We were directed to go down into a pit of complete darkness at one point and that is when I came to my senses and bolted. I broke my chains and squeezed through a grait in the fence and I was off.
I had to get out of this Hell! It was bad bad bad. Trash everywhere. Dead things. Yuk.
I started exploring and found myself in this dark corner next to some old machine garage. It was boxed in with these three shelves full of old old books. I started looking through some of them and they where all the home-made satanic books God had collected from all the bad bad people. Probably the worst ones. They where awful!! Later on I realized this was my first test. If I would of stopped there to read those books I would of stayed in that place.
I quickly climbed the shelves of books and made it to the other side where a huge cliff stood. I looked over the side and it was abyssal. It was the highest cliff over a desert I have ever seen. I ran and jumped off the cliff.
Fell for like 30 seconds and landed gently on my feet on the first level above Hell. (I don't know why it was below Hell. I just know I made it out of there.)
It was full of intoxicated happy people taking baths everywhere. That is their thing. After hell I guess taking baths is the thing to do first! [:D] Oh how I wanted to get into those pools. There where big ones and small ones. I started looking around and finally asked someone if I could take a dip in one of them. "They always ask." is what I heard one guy say. Haha!
So there I am enjoying the water. It was relaxing and I tried out these massage chairs as well that vibrated as water splashed all over you. It was nice... but the place isn't Heaven. It's dark and a little creepy still. I knew this is not where I wanted to be.
So gently I asked my friend next to me, a big guy that was cracking crude jokes, how to get to the next level. He gave me directions on how to find the "Elevator" and I was off. On the way... I asked myself why doesn't everyone just take the Elevator? I was about to find out why.
I asked around a few times. There was this small kind little alien or elf that tried giving me directions but quickly fell asleep. Finally found the elevator after reading some signs.
It was a big room like a subway station but with three dark holes in the middle. Every so often a huge Elevator from different levels comes by and I figured I'd have to hop it to go there. You never know which of the three platforms the Elevator is coming up and it's a pain getting to the other side before it goes up so you only have one chance to guess at a time.
So I'm waiting... and waiting!
Finally I hear a rumble and one of the Elevators comes down. It's the one I need to catch but I'm on the wrong platform. So I have to wait again and again.
Finally I catch the Elevator. It's not the Elevator to the next level though. It's one back to Hell!
There are these great dressed devils in nice suits smoking cigarrs with a girl in each arm and babes sitting in cushions that are so hot and tight dressed that anyone might just go with them. Another test.
The girls come off the Elevator and try inviting me to go with them. I'm like no way!! Not going back there. They all then start making fun of me and rediculing me. Finally the Elevator goes down again and I breath a sigh of relief.
I'm not the only one waiting around for the Elevator. There are a few crazy guys waiting too. One in a cowboy hat is running from platform to platform constantly. I guess he really wanted that Elevator bad.
I'm about to give up when the Elevator from above finally arrives. And I catch it! Phew!
I start talking to the conductor and he says this Elevator is shut down for maintenance! Great. He said there is only room for a few people and those seats are taken. I had time to engage the conductor in a conversation. I asked him if meditation would take me to Heaven quicker. He scratched his head and said Geez! I'm not sure!
So he's about to take off to the next Level and I see an empty seat. I think about it and actually sit down on the chair. Then though... I think about it again and stand up. Good thing, because there is a mean mean devil alien looking thing who the seat belonged to. I take it as another test passed and head out to explore the Level I am on.
Forget the Elevator!
I start thinking that if I just keep working on trying to get to Heaven I probably will eventually. It's easy as long as you don't stop. And God it seems is with me the entire way ! ! ! Testing me at every turn !
I'm definately convinced that there is life after death. It's just not what we think. God's souls are tested every step of the way. That is why I am thinking that even normal everyday life here on Earth is a test.
Why so many tests... I guess there are no words for explaining those things. But I found myself weeping when I understood this silent conviction.
Good luck all!
Did you feel that there was anyone that you were supposed to do a retrieval on?
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If you wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible, why didn't you just return to your body?
Should have taken the elevator. Whenever I'm faced with stairs or elevators it usually means I need to take them, up or down and will find myself in a totally different environment. Sometimes a educational one.
Quote from: shineling on December 09, 2010, 02:33:55
Holy cow.
I had a death rehearsal last night or something.
I got out of my body as usual (through astral projection) went out into the street and things started changing as usual morphing into other dreams.
Do you remember what was on your mind that day or what events happened that you feel might have influenced these changes in the non-physical experience?
Well...
It was one of those astral dreams that you get entrenched in. Know what I mean? You can't wake up no matter how hard you try. You're stuck out there trying to get back home. Very scary... at least the Hell part. Made it out so that is cool.
But this isn't dream stuff. It's hard core visuals and auditory. I was there man. More real than real as they say. Either I have a real awesome dreaming ability (which I might) or this stuff is just what I can expect when I get out there permanent. There's whole worlds out there man and it's just you and God. Scary...
No... It was a great day for me. I was happy, positive, and happy about making some progress in my spiritual quest. My meditation has been really coming together.
Anyway... there is a part of me that really enjoyed it. Being in Hell man was an eye opener. Underlying all of this was a sense that a Greater force was guiding me - showing me the ropes, testing me, and taking care of me at the same time.
Anyways... thanks for reading. Peace. :-P
Quote from: shineling on December 09, 2010, 12:00:31
Well...
It was one of those astral dreams that you get entrenched in. Know what I mean? You can't wake up no matter how hard you try. You're stuck out there trying to get back home. Very scary... at least the Hell part. Made it out so that is cool.
Actually, now that you mention it... I don't know. I don't have scary dreams anymore... I haven't for many MANY years. I've never been "stuck out there trying to get back home".
I think that if you just always remain calm and relaxed, you shouldn't have any issues being stuck.
QuoteBut this isn't dream stuff. It's hard core visuals and auditory. I was there man. More real than real as they say. Either I have a real awesome dreaming ability (which I might) or this stuff is just what I can expect when I get out there permanent. There's whole worlds out there man and it's just you and God. Scary...
That is the very nature of the non-physical... ironically, just as it is the nature of the physical. It's ALL REAL.
However, my belief in god aside (or lack thereof lol)... you have an awesome "dreaming ability", everyone does. I feel it's our natural state of being.
I don't particularly like calling a dream "just a dream" anymore... because I like to think I know better. I call them all non-physical experiences now.
A dream is simply a non-physical experience where you think you're awake.
QuoteNo... It was a great day for me. I was happy, positive, and happy about making some progress in my spiritual quest. My meditation has been really coming together.
Then we'll have to look elsewhere for where the troubles began in your mind.
QuoteAnyway... there is a part of me that really enjoyed it. Being in Hell man was an eye opener. Underlying all of this was a sense that a Greater force was guiding me - showing me the ropes, testing me, and taking care of me at the same time.
Personally speaking, and this is only how *I* interpret it, it wasn't a "hell" it was a Focus 2 oC environment created due to a stray though you were having at the time which grew and grew to encompass a "world" you referred to as "hell".
I don't see "hell" as objectively existing... or "heaven" for that matter either.
Wow. That sounds scary and exciting. Why do you think you had to make this journey?
I don't know why I had that happen... maybe it's because I have been watching too much Star Trek or maybe I'm sexually frustrated. :-D Not sure... both are true though.
But if it is just me making up my own story, that is a relief. That puts it in perspective. Thanks Xanth.
Such a fertile mind we humans have. Maybe it's true... there is no "out there". It's all in here (points to head). :-)
Hallo Shineling
Good to see that you made it back from the 'nether regions' safe & sound (no joke intended).
Extreme emotions can sometimes negatively affect an OBE. Remember that while out of body you should be able to a) teleport from one place to another and b) fly or float at will.
Did you think to use either of the abilities at the time?
It might even have made sense to have asked to see someone in charge and have them explain why you were there. There was probably some type of mistake that brought you there. Anyway you did well in a very unenviable situation.
Regards 8-)
Grey
Thanks Grey. I will remember to try and fly or relocate the next time I'm in a weary place. :-P
I never believed in Heaven and Hell until just a few years ago. I mean... I thought about them. I sort of believed there was a God up there.
Then however, through astral projection and serious decipline to my meditation my eyes opened.
I'll close out the thread with some Sant Mat poetry.
Sheikh Farid asked a question of a nightingale:
Oh nightingale, why are you black?
Then he himself replied:
I know the reason why. You have burned yourself in longing for the Lord. That is why you are so black.
Kabir says:
My mind is being powerfully attracted to the home of my Beloved. This world has no attraction for me. I wish to fly from here and go to the country of my Lord, which is so beautiful. There no one comes and goes (there is no birth and death), and to it even the sun and the moon, water and the air can never reach. Oh, is there anyone who would carry this, my message of longing, to my Beloved!
The ailment of bireh (feeling of separation) is chronic and has now gone deep into my bones. It is not possible to get rid of it. It is a pain of love which is even smothering my heart. The feeling of longing caused by separation troubles me at all times, and as a result my entire body is burning. Only one who has caused this pain or who undergoes it can understand this.
shineling
My view on heaven and hell has been heavily influenced by the writings of Robert Monroe. After extensive out of body travels Monroe concluded that there is no One Heaven or One hell. Rather there are many smaller Belief System Territories that serve the same function. I believe that he called these locations false heavens and false hells. His view on these places (and one that I agree with) is that most were/are populated by deceased people who either want to be there or who feel that they need to be there due to prior religious indoctrination.
Regards 8-)
Grey
Quote from: shineling on December 09, 2010, 02:33:55
God's souls are tested every step of the way. That is why I am thinking that even normal everyday life here on Earth is a test
You are dead right about that!
Most people fail daily tests and dont even know they're failing.
Heck, most dont even know they're being tested at all
Just to add to that shineling, I'm not sure you were being tested with those hot girls. Last time I looked in the bible there's nothing evil or sinful with a man and a woman having sex. Heck, some the greatest Biblical men had plenty of concubines (unmarried girlfriends). Not one peep from God about this.
The modern church teaches pre-marital sex is a sin, this is fact.
But if thats the case why does it nowhere in the Bible directly say: "Thou shall not have premarital sex"??!!
Quote from: Fresco on December 22, 2010, 11:10:08
Just to add to that shineling, I'm not sure you were being tested with those hot girls. Last time I looked in the bible there's nothing evil or sinful with a man and a woman having sex. Heck, some the greatest Biblical men had plenty of concubines (unmarried girlfriends). Not one peep from God about this.
The modern church teaches pre-marital sex is a sin, this is fact.
But if thats the case why does it nowhere in the Bible directly say: "Thou shall not have premarital sex"??!!
Most likely because that's a relatively new addition whereby the people making up the rules now added in due to their own beliefs... and them trying to force that belief upon others.
Just a thought.
The Bible does detail lust as being sinful, though, especially when it is unchecked and hedonistic.
Quote from: Xanth on December 22, 2010, 11:52:02
Most likely because that's a relatively new addition whereby the people making up the rules now added in due to their own beliefs... and them trying to force that belief upon others.
Just a thought.
And a way for the church to control their flock.
Hey you sinner, dont have sex or you're going to hell. And make sure you keep tithing us every month.
This is why I dont go to church. I do tithe, but I tithe to charities
as soon as anyone uses the bible for evidence of anything other than brainwashing, my mind turns off.
Quote from: AlanRK on December 22, 2010, 12:20:40
The Bible does detail lust as being sinful, though, especially when it is unchecked and hedonistic
Where??!
All it talks about is "sexual immorality" but then can cover many things like incest, pay-for-sex, homosexuality, bestiality..etc.
Nowhere does it say a boyfriend & girlfriend cant have sex.
Quote from: Fresco on December 22, 2010, 12:25:01
Where??!
All it talks about is "sexual immorality" but then can cover many things like incest, pay-for-sex, homosexuality, bestiality..etc.
Nowhere does it say a boyfriend & girlfriend cant have sex.
I didn't say anything about two people having sex, I said that the Bible details lust as sinful. Not that I actually care, as I don't live according to a centuries-old book. Some people do, though, and given its importance in modern society it is necessary to know some things about it. In any case the Bible definitely does label unchecked and hedonistic lust as sinful, but even this probably varies throughout different translations and versions. Now the real challenge here is thusly; who cares what the Bible says about it?
Quote from: AlanRK on December 22, 2010, 12:31:41
Now the real challenge here is thusly; who cares what the Bible says about it?
I do since I'm Christian, which doesnt make me exactly popular in the online community, but thems the brakes
In the bible, lust doesn't mean sex. Lust is a state of wanting something. It can be the neighbor's cattle, or his wife. Which back then, were equally valuable. So when it considers lust a sin, it means that you shouldn't covet that which isn't yours.
Hi Shineling.
That sounds like an absolutely fascinating experience!
If you dont mind me asking, what kind of meditation (or method) do you typically use that leads up to these kinds of projections?
-Firmitas
Quote from: Firmitas on December 23, 2010, 03:37:10
Hi Shineling.
That sounds like an absolutely fascinating experience!
If you dont mind me asking, what kind of meditation (or method) do you typically use that leads up to these kinds of projections?
-Firmitas
Does sniffing, swallowing, or smoking something count as a technique?
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 22, 2010, 12:47:24
In the bible, lust doesn't mean sex. Lust is a state of wanting something. It can be the neighbor's cattle, or his wife. Which back then, were equally valuable. So when it considers lust a sin, it means that you shouldn't covet that which isn't yours
Agreed (dont covet), but thats just one of several interpretations, its not the only one though IMO
Do people eat meals in astral?? I was wondering this today :|
Quote from: Fresco on December 23, 2010, 12:00:14
Do people eat meals in astral?? I was wondering this today :|
They can, and they do, but obviously they don't need to. It's just one of the many physical pleasures which they feel attached to and compelled to do. I once created a meal and took a few bites, and let me tell you it was absolutely delicious! It was a perfect replica of what I considered to be one of the best meals of that type I've ever had in the physical. I don't know if the same feeling of being full is possible in the astral though (although it's probably redundant without the need to satisfy a hunger).
Quote from: AlanRK on December 23, 2010, 12:07:14
They can, and they do, but obviously they don't need to. It's just one of the many physical pleasures which they feel attached to and compelled to do. I once created a meal and took a few bites, and let me tell you it was absolutely delicious! It was a perfect replica of what I considered to be one of the best meals of that type I've ever had in the physical. I don't know if the same feeling of being full is possible in the astral though (although it's probably redundant without the need to satisfy a hunger).
Everything tastes like chicken! :D
But yeah, seriously, Fresco, haven't you ever had a dream in which you were eating something you really loved and it just tasted SO... DAMN... GOOD?
When I was young and thin I used to have recurring dreams of eating the most amazing chocolate cake. Now that I'm old and fat, it doesn't even appeal to me.
:-D
Quote from: AlanRK on December 23, 2010, 11:50:31
Does sniffing, swallowing, or smoking something count as a technique?
That was quite rude Alan. May I ask what you were drinking, smoking, swallowing or sniffing when you wrote that out?
Let's stick to the topic, and not segue into personal attacks. ;)
Remember, discuss topics... not people. Thanks ;)
Yeah, sorry about that. I just thought it was rude and saw that you didn't remind him of the personal attack rules and thought to help out.
Quote from: Naykid on December 23, 2010, 13:33:19
Yeah, sorry about that. I just thought it was rude and saw that you didn't remind him of the personal attack rules and thought to help out.
It definitely applies there too. :)
Quote from: Naykid on December 23, 2010, 12:49:36
That was quite rude Alan. May I ask what you were drinking, smoking, swallowing or sniffing when you wrote that out?
Yes it was rude. IMO it's just a humorous way of conveying my opinion that I think this person is on some drugs that are inducing her strange experiences. Do I need to state my opinion if it's not wanted? No, I can just keep quiet of course. But I think it necessary to inform others who might be misguided by her accounts. And if it really is that rude, then it can be ignored. Simple.
Quote from: AlanRK on December 23, 2010, 14:57:49
Yes it was rude. IMO it's just a humorous way of conveying my opinion thatI think this person is on some drugs that are inducing her strange experiences. Do I need to state my opinion if it's not wanted? No, I can just keep quiet of course. But I think it necessary to inform others who might be misguided by her accounts. And if it really is that rude, then it can be ignored. Simple.
I couldn't agree more with your comment! Thank you for that.
I find it healthy to express ones opinion. BUT.. when I get banned for saying "panties in a wad", I'm thinking it isn't too fair for others to be able to express their feelings (about someone being on drugs) without the banning be handed out accordingly. And believe me, the wad comment was all in jest. Call me a nic picker, but it seems only fair that the muzzle should fit all sizes instead of just my size. :-)
Quote from: Naykid on December 23, 2010, 15:44:37
I couldn't agree more with your comment! Thank you for that.
I find it healthy to express ones opinion. BUT.. when I get banned for saying "panties in a wad", I'm thinking it isn't too fair for others to be able to express their feelings (about someone being on drugs) without the banning be handed out accordingly. And believe me, the wad comment was all in jest. Call me a nic picker, but it seems only fair that the muzzle should fit all sizes instead of just my size. :-)
*sigh* that's not why you were banned... say "panties in a wad" all you like Nay. I PM'd you the reason.
Let's please get back to the topic at hand though.
A trip to Hell!
Unless it's run it's course...
:lol:
This is a trip to hell, so we are right on course! :-D :lol: :wink:
Quote from: Xanth on December 23, 2010, 12:17:54
Everything tastes like chicken! :D
But yeah, seriously, Fresco, haven't you ever had a dream in which you were eating something you really loved and it just tasted SO... DAMN... GOOD?
Ive done lots weird stuff in my dreams, but cant honestly say I ever ate a meal in astral. If I did I dont remember it though
Quote from: Xanth on December 23, 2010, 16:04:27
*sigh* that's not why you were banned... say "panties in a wad" all you like Nay. I PM'd you the reason.
Let's please get back to the topic at hand though.
A trip to Hell!
Unless it's run it's course...
Some people have the theory that life in this physical world is hell.
Dunno if I completely agree with that though. I think every person creates their own type of hell
Quote from: Fresco on December 23, 2010, 17:33:44
Some people have the theory that life in this physical world is hell.
Dunno if I completely agree with that though. I think every person creates their own type of hell
Lots of people feel that way because they are living a life of hell. I'm living a great life but for many years it wasn't a walk in the park. Do you think children create their own type of hell? Or do you think it's a higher- self kinda thing going on? Do we create said hell to play out karma?
Maybe it's just in our nature to create hell on Earth as opposed to heaven. It certainly seems that way, for the moment.
For the moment?
Are you talking about personal moments? or are we talking right now, in THIS moment? And whom are we talking about? :? I was talking as a whole, as in people's lives and the trials people have to go thru.
This whole watching what we say really makes for a confusing conversation. :lol:
Oh, I wanna say one more 'moderator' thing...
If anyone ever has an issue with something someone says in a post, please don't post publicly regarding it... either report the post in question stating your reason why you feel it was offensive, or PM a moderator directly. We'll help out and talk to or edit whatever needs doing. This way we keep the forums clear of conjecture and further escalating situations that could have otherwise been handled easily.
Thanks guys!
Quote from: Naykid on December 23, 2010, 17:54:40
For the moment?
Are you talking about personal moments? or are we talking right now, in THIS moment? And whom are we talking about? :? I was talking as a whole, as in people's lives and the trials people have to go thru.
This whole watching what we say really makes for a confusing conversation. :lol:
The present, the current state of the world, peoples personal lives and how they collectively combine their lives to mold Earth into what it is.
I don't believe in hell, or "tests". God would never send anyone to "hell" to be punished for failing a "test" (especially one they know nothing about), as we are ALL God and all innocent beings at the core - so what purpose would that serve? The only "sin" is thinking you are different and separate from God. I wish people would realize this and stop fearing punishment. We are free beings and are entitled to limitless mistakes. The vengeful God of the Bible is petty and unimaginative; he's just a projection from archaic humans and their miniature little ideologies. I am a good person, but I don't condemn those who are not (not good people only in the eyes of society, NOT in the eyes of God) because we are all equal and all deserving of love. The idea of "hell" and those who believe in it really annoy me for some reason... such little faith in the unconditional love of God. :cry:
Quote from: Lunarvegan on February 02, 2011, 10:41:46
I don't believe in hell, or "tests". God would never send anyone to "hell" to be punished for failing a "test" (especially one they know nothing about), as we are ALL God and all innocent beings at the core - so what purpose would that serve? The only "sin" is thinking you are different and separate from God. I wish people would realize this and stop fearing punishment. We are free beings and are entitled to limitless mistakes. The vengeful God of the Bible is petty and unimaginative; he's just a projection from archaic humans and their miniature little ideologies. I am a good person, but I don't condemn those who are not (not good people only in the eyes of society, NOT in the eyes of God) because we are all equal and all deserving of love. The idea of "hell" and those who believe in it really annoy me for some reason... such little faith in the unconditional love of God. :cry:
It doesnt matter what you call it, hell or something else, there's clear evidence that the absolute lowest astral planes are very unpleasant dimensions and closely resemble what we would picture "hell" to be like. I dont think there's much debate about that
Quote from: Fresco on February 02, 2011, 21:53:43
It doesnt matter what you call it, hell or something else, there's clear evidence that the absolute lowest astral planes are very unpleasant dimensions and closely resemble what we would picture "hell" to be like. I dont think there's much debate about that
Hell is still pictured by some people as being the place where you get sent by God to repay for your sins, or simply if you didn't live a good and honorable life. In my perspective this is a mistake because what can take you to the lowest astral planes is your state of being, your emotional and mental baggage. So the concept of 'hell' still has different meanings for different people regardless of a possible consensus to the suffering you endure there.
Have you considered the Monroe/Moen concept, that all Hells are created by people themselves?
Discarnates end up in various Hells because that's their state of mind. And not because some external force puts them in Hells.
Quote from: Pauli2 on February 03, 2011, 07:20:49
Have you considered the Monroe/Moen concept, that all Hells are created by people themselves?
Discarnates end up in various Hells because that's their state of mind. And not because some external force puts them in Hells.
OK, but in the end what does it matter since the discarnate finds themselves in a very unpleasant dimension and most likely will remain there for quite some time. The only thing thats wrong with modern church thinking re: hell is that its eternal, which clearly it isnt
hmmm...
hell is on earth!!!
why? for people to work something out
you's arent going to like this but...
it (life) is all controll at least 85% of it anyway and if ya want to get really technical the other 14.999+% is in a particular way is controlled as well
noone guilty of nothing except only a few people that have gone after things that dont know nothing about long story!
but they have a small argument if they had any brains it might get them 1 year of their 30 year+ sentences :-D
having said all that we (some :|) are to take controll of it (life) consciously...fun
the only way that happens to take part is to live the bases of the meaning of life which is to live for other people and to love all
become this
live this
its the only way you can become the best you can be
and its the only way you get to take part in the controll of it (life)
we cannot have clowns that go to wars etc that hate each other taking controll of the worlds systems that dont understand the meaning of life...can we!!!
ask ya guides if ya dont believe it...but if ya have to ask odds are you dont have one :-(, because you are not living the meaning of life :wink:
good luck
love all
Sounds like your letting your internal Beliefs play out your Astral experience
Remember your THOUGHTS create your reality
Quote from: engagement on February 03, 2011, 21:21:51
Sounds like your letting your internal Beliefs play out your Astral experience
Remember your THOUGHTS create your reality
but you must understand where thoughts originate from :wink:
not all people could of had a good life at this stage in our life cycle
like we all want, i dont know anyone who doesnt want a good life for themselves noone
the reasoning being is that the energy required to run the world(s) system(s) was needed and it happened to be the emotions that are the one's we dont like disasterous and the like
however it has just recently changed the energy usage so their is no need for the emotions (energy) that we donot like
and the reason we are lead to believe that our thoughts create our reality (some) that is because we are to consciously take over the whole world(s) system(s) for the better of all
you will see a pattern if ya done a survey and that is if you looked at it you will find those that had the best intentions of many/all will have the most success... again controlled
good luck
love all
I personally don't believe in hell or "evil". It is even hard for me to believe in entities and planes with low vibrations, though I will consider it a possibility. I do think though that God would never purposely show you such horror.
Also when you project you see what your mind wants to see. You only take yourself where you go in the astral realm. So if you think of hell-like scenery, you will project to it.
Personally though I haven't been able to fully project yet but when I do, I will only ask my spirit guides and God to never reveal anything negative to my astral being. Maybe you that's what you could do.
when you have been out more you will see that hell like places are fun and full of good artwork
im sure if you was doomed to only that place you may feel diferently but when its a choice to go there its not scarey its just alternate 8-)
:NoY:
Quote from: lotuspaper on February 04, 2011, 16:04:46
I personally don't believe in hell or "evil".
I don't either, not in the objective and ultimate way that some religions promote.
QuoteIt is even hard for me to believe in entities and planes with low vibrations, though I will consider it a possibility.
If you remove judgements like 'evil' or 'low vibration', you can see the diversity of what's possible, here in the physical and into the nonphysical. So you can categorize something as negative if you have an experience that isn't pleasant- but ultimately, realms such as 'astral hells' serve a purpose that is not judgemental, that is for the benefit or the organism. If you give me a chance and meet me halfway I can illustrate it for you.
QuoteI do think though that God would never purposely show you such horror.
I suppose that if you believe in God as an objective and separate being, then it would be either very difficult to believe this (or relatively easy, depending on what you think is 'right'.) But if you believe that God expresses as you, then you may see a reason why God would want to experience such an unpleasant scenario- it's not being done to you, it's being done through you, and by you, or rather, by God manifesting as you.
QuoteAlso when you project you see what your mind wants to see. You only take yourself where you go in the astral realm.
I think this is metaphysically true- with the caveat that you are not the only being in the universe, and that everyone else also projects their beliefs and fears into the collective environment. Sort of like in the physical, but with more liberty of expression, and with different results.
QuoteSo if you think of hell-like scenery, you will project to it.
Maybe, if it's to your benefit.
QuotePersonally though I haven't been able to fully project yet but when I do, I will only ask my spirit guides and God to never reveal anything negative to my astral being. Maybe you that's what you could do.
It's possible that this may work for a while- but if you fear this experience, you may be asking yourself to help fix it, which will create a situation in which you will experience it.
Now, what I was trying to express earlier is this: It is believed by some experiencers that we come to this earth to experience what can happen, what is possible in this type of life. Material physical reality has its variety of experiences that are possible. And when we forget that there is more than this, a lot of negative energy is built up- fears, beliefs, what some would call 'unresolved issues'. Now it's possible that these issues were experienced on purpose, but your limited self doesn't understand this, and you develop some emotional distress because of this. Then you die. And you now are faced with the fact that there is unresolved emotional 'baggage' that you need to get rid of, if you want to do something else, in the nonphysical.
There has to be a way to resolve this, because you did not come into the physical to not experience- so there has to be a reason for it. So you decide to come up with a system in which you can release all this negative energy that is now 'weighing' on you (of course, this is a physical term, but I think it describes it). So what do you do? What can you do? A few possibilities:
One way is to somehow return to the physical, and through another person, release the emotional stuff. So you 'attach' to someone who is having some sort of similar situation, and is going through some trauma. And this may work for you, and you can continue on your path.
Or it doesn't, and you just turned into some sort of negative entity, who couldn't release this negative energy, and are haunting some poor bastard who was having a hard time in the first place.
Or, another plan would be to create a simulation, with help with other nonphysical entities that are helpers- to relive this negative thing, and eventually resolve it. A kind of roleplay, designed to release all this negative energy, which is incompatible with your desire to do (or be) something else. This makes perfect sense to you- you replay the bad situation, until you come up with an acceptable solution that makes sense to you, and you are free from it. Why not? the astral is an instant thought-responsive environment. And you are a creating being. So you create a situation that is similar or the same as the one that dogged you and brought you pain, and you basically redo it until you're done with it. If you feel guilt, then relive it through the other party. If you feel pain or rejection, you recreate the scenario with a different outcome. The possibilities are endless. And, time is relative. Or maybe different.
Now, imagine you are a projector who is seeing this from the outside. What do you think you will see? A being going through some sort of 'punishment' or 'hell'. Now, this is a judgement based on physical reality from the observer when it really is something else-after all, how else are we going to interpret it? The context is missing for the observer, but not for the experiencer.
So now the soul is done with the crap it came in with, and now there are other things 'he' can do- become a nonphysical helper, or a np teacher, or even decide to come back to physical reality to experience something different.
Ultimately, no one knows what the real truth is, but this makes more sense to me than 'literal' ideas of religious heaven and hell, with 'eternal' this or that. Now, that makes no sense to me in any context.
Because we do get these experiences now and then, and it's a lot to do with the attitude of the observer also.
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