Alien Curiosity...

[Seeking ET]

I was just wondering if anyone has been having OOBE with alien depictions?  I belong to a sort of alien society and I have a theory about their multidimensional states.  Just curious if anyone could shed any light on this subject for me.

[str8_thizzn]

ay mann.dude swear on everything yur not who i see yu to be

[kurtykurt42]

I was just wondering if anyone has been having OOBE with alien depictions? 

What do you mean by alien depictions?

I belong to a sort of alien society and I have a theory about their multidimensional states. 

An alien society with actual aliens? What is your theory of multidimensional states?

Just curious if anyone could shed any light on this subject for me.[/i]

Which subject?

[cocteautwin]

Twice!

Once when I was 14 and the other time when I was around 20 or 21 - I'd have to go back to my OBE diary - what would you like to know?

[Seeking ET]

Well I have this theory that alien communicate telepathically and in alternate dimensions.  I think that OOBE could be a communication tool for us between extra terrestrials, quite possibly in helping initiate world wide contact in the next stage of our evolution.  Just wondering if anyone has had experiences that might confirm this.

[kurtykurt42]

They exist in our dimension and in higher dimensions. But it is against their highest laws to interact and help other races who are less advanced.

[Seeking ET]

Help, yes, but not initiate contact.  Aliens have been visiting and influence human history since the very beginning.  They are quite possibly our missing link, our genetic ancestors of evolution.  The catalyst that leaped us into homo sapiens.  Contact with other planets is a common occurance in the universe.  Earth is unique in that it IS NOT.  But contact has happened, and they have shown themselves to humanity before.  Indeed it still occurs today.  They haven't yet landed on the white house lawn, but they have flown closely above it!  Once we realize that we are not alone in the universe, then humanity will choose for itself to move past our petty ways and try to better understand our galactic society.  So they won't be helping us or interfering with us, but showing us the natural, true way of most of the universe, and letting us make the decision about what to do with that knowledge.  Origionally when contact was made with the leaders of our government, an agreement was arranged.  Essentially, the aliens would slowly reveal aspects of their technology, and the truth about Earth and mankinds history, in exchange for our leaders to slowly expose the existence of an alien presence among us.  This was done to keep in jurisdiction the of methodoligy society at the time used for its own progression.  The ET's complide, we did not.  Our government kept much of their technology, and kept secret the presence of aliens among us.  But the contact was already made, and we had our hands of some of the goods.  Now aliens, I think, are bypassing our leaders and contacting individuals on a personal basis.  The most concealed way of doing this is to tap directly into the minds of the contactees.  I think that lucid dreams, and OOBE, are one of their methods for doing this.

[Yamabushi]

I have regular remote and OOB contact with EBEs (with occasional close encounters). I believe most of the ones we humans experience are not extra-dimensional, but actually biological life forms who have mastered some fairly simple, electro-gravity based technologies. However there is also the occasional rare encounters with 'hyperdimensional' life forms, some of whom are asomal (massless energy).

[zareste]

dimensions are not above or below each other, and nobody is less or more advanced than another. Dualism is a nutty thing

Anyway, OBEs can do the trick, though I prefer telepathy alone. Most humanoids are not going to fly 10 light-years to Earth just to chat with people, but they have plenty of telepathic systems setup so you can talk to them mentally

[kurtykurt42]

dimensions are not above or below each other, and nobody is less or more advanced than another. Dualism is a nutty thing

Anyway, OBEs can do the trick, though I prefer telepathy alone. Most humanoids are not going to fly 10 light-years to Earth just to chat with people, but they have plenty of telepathic systems setup so you can talk to them mentally

I meant higher frequency dimensions.

Species are defined by there level of spirtual advancement and technology. If we had ships that could travel through the stars we would use a software program to database all of the species we come in contact with. For example:

Species: Humanoid Reptilian Class 4
Technology: Iron Age
Planet: Class M
Current Population: 533,232,000
Dimension: Class 3

Instead of thinking how aliens act we should think of ourselves as aliens. Soon we will have the technology to explore new worlds and we can't rely on other species to hold our hands.

[zareste]

Frequency of what?
How does technology and spirituality become 'leveled'? And who decides what level it's at? You? I thought you were inferior because of your frequency or something

[kurtykurt42]

Frequency of what?

Frequency of their vibrational pattern, a concept we are only beginning to understand. The reason this is important though is because beings with different vibrational patterns have ESP such as telepathy/clairvoyance/healing etc.

How does technology and spirituality become 'leveled'?

Sometimes it doesn't. Some races may spend all of there effort developing science and technology leaving there spirituality behind.

And who decides what level it's at? You? I thought you were inferior because of your frequency or something

I never said we we inferior, only that we are all unique. All worlds with intelligent life can be measured with these criteria. The level of spiritual and technological development is decided by extensive tests and observation.

[zareste]

vibrational pattern of what?
and I wasn't wondering which cases of tech and spirituality you've assigned levels to. I wondering how in the world you assign levels to any of them. Tests and observations should lead to a hypothesis, not an arbitrary number saying how much you like someone's tech

[kurtykurt42]

and I wasn't wondering which cases of tech and spirituality you've assigned levels to. I wondering how in the world you assign levels to any of them.

You act as if I created the system that categorizes species. These systems have been in place for millions, if not billions of years. And like i said you assign levels to them by comparing them to many other worlds.

Tests and observations should lead to a hypothesis, not an arbitrary number saying how much you like someone's tech

Tests and observations lead to conclusions.

Pretend for a minute that we learned to create ships that could travel though space. We explore and find that there are worlds that support life with no intelligent life currently on them. We then decide to clone our human DNA and place humans on these uninhabited worlds, unaware of us doing so. Over thousands of years they learn to build villages/cities, they create music, poetry, art. Now lets say that we did this will 100 worlds or 1,000 worlds. By monitoring them we will begin to see similarities. Each planet, in time will learn mathematics and science and eventually develop there own technology.

In my previous post I gave an example of what a database entry may look like. The software would be used to bring up current facts about each world. Orbiting satellites could be used to track populations and relay the information in real time. The level of technology for most worlds would most likely be similar to that of earth. It is referred to as Periodization, such as The Stone Age, Bronze age, Iron age, etc.

So, you see it's not about "liking someone's tech" or assigning "arbitrary numbers", It's about learning who we are and where we come from. By understanding other worlds and other species we can learn to better understand ourselves.

[zareste]

Heh, a lot of galactic humanoids setup telepathic systems to monitor planets, but I guess satellites are more our thing. (you have quite an understanding of how this stuff works. That's a rarity)

Anyway anyway -
As the parent species, you might be inclined to call one sub-species more advanced than the other, but again it's an arbitrary value based on a linear path you believe they should take. (and a very naive notion, as you should expect your experiments to take you by surprise) Someone else might find the so-called 'lesser' species to be far more valuable than the 'greater'. For example the Zetans searched far and wide for the gene patterns they needed, and tried taking DNA from other humanoids before us, but nobody else had such instinct-driven DNA as we do. While some races consider instinct-driven DNA a drawback, others consider it very valuable - more valuable than intelligently refined DNA. What you're doing is assigning a subjective value of advancement that nobody else has to acknowledge

[Seeking ET]

I understand what you're saying about the "higher" and "lower" dimensional frequencies.  It's not a matter of altitude or geography, but of speed of vibration, like sound.  I think that having an understanding of higher frequencies would allow you access to lower frequencies.  Since evolution is progressive, ET's likely have a better understanding of our own dimension than we do, and how to get around it's rules.  Or use them to make contact.  The major point is that none of this is being done by phone or email, but is being transmitted through Thought.  As people are being kept in the dark through our media practices about visitation in the current age, it's our Thought patterns that bridge the communication gap between the species.  They have a much higher understanding of Thought frequency, and thus we don't get their telepathic messages, but they do recieve ours.  Even to the level of inducing and manipulating our own OOBE experiences to be conducive to their "lesson plans".  Many abductee accounts have strikingly similar characteristics as OOBE.  They communicate through other dimensions, and especially through thought.  Which is what OOBE are precisely!  So even though we are just stuggling to gain control over our own potential, and so can't begin to grasp theirs, they are aware of that potential, and hearing us clearly is much easier for them then it is for us.

[Alex-Anderson]

More recently my dreams have developed that involve being awakened during the night by an entity in my room. The dream is very lucid and will involve me sometimes floating from my bed and encountering the entity crouched in the corner of my room wearing a hooded cloak, or pointed hooded top of some sort. The entity then launches itself from its crouching position grabbing me and pulling me upwards through the ceiling. It has only been in the last year that I had encountered the entity in the real world environment (i.e.: the room for which I am sleeping in and have been awoken from during the dream).

In previous years it appeared more in the dream world but my lucid dreams have matured over the last few years where experiences only take place in the real world or non-imaginary dream world. I would never class them as aliens similar to the classic abduction scenario that is often referred to when people are awaken during the night by something in their room and being taken somewhere.

For me it has only happened in the 'dream' state and not during the actual physical conscious awakened state. Nor have I seen what would be classed as your typical 'grey' or other typical alien in any of my dreams. Mine has always been very tall and lanky in its shape. Its mouth is often in an 'o' shaped position and its jaw is somewhat stretched or elongated. Its eyes are dark or seem to be more void like.

However when I am grabbed by the entity I have a gap in my dream that I have no recollection and then the dream carries on in its complete lucid/OOBE from where I was grabbed from - sounds silly but its like I have missing time during my dream.

My impression is I do not think the entity likes me being to consciously aware of my surroundings and its form when I have action reaction awareness when it grabs me. I'm not sure why it's taking me or where I go to in the dream but its very odd and more so very scary. The thing that makes it more frightening is the fact I can remember to much detail after awakening as if it has happened in real life.

[Seeking ET]

To your degree of awareness, it is real life.  But it's as I said, these characteristics are very similar to alien encounters.  Though you're right, many consist of the typical 'greys'.  However in many encounters there have been taller beings as well, alien in nature but much "lankier" in stature.  The missing time is uniquely characteristic of alien encounters, but you wouldn't be the first to overcome that barrier. 
On a separate note, when I was first studying consciousness I read of a few experiences others had when beings would actually try to make them fearful of trying to project.  As they got close to projection, they would encounter frightening things that seemed to hinder them from going any further.  Many have also been known to induce and OOBE from the lucid dream state.  Characteristically it sounds like you may be having OOBE, from you lucid dream state, but something is trying to scare you out of progressing. 
A major difficulty that OOBE come with is memory recall.  There are probably many intentional OOBE's that are experienced, but mesh with some dream state as well, and just aren't remembered.  There are techniques to overcome this.  Perhaps if you start recording your dreams you'll get even better at recalling the missing sections of memory.