Just Sharing...

[Nay]

Good afternoon all,

Like the title of the thread says, just thought I'd share.

This morning I was surprised to find my son not up yet, WOOT!   So I thought it would be a perfect time to try for a conscious projection.  

It started out goofy for me, as usual.    My legs were the first to float out and boy did they float out fast and right up to the ceiling causing me to be on my head..lol..  Every time this happened in the past,  I couldn't  stop laughing but I actually controlled my humor this time.

I got calm and straighten out to try again.  I fell over to the right and for a split second I was afraid that my head was going to hit my end table.. but it didn't, went right thru it, but my dang legs were sticking straight up again..  I grabbed onto the carpet and pulled myself away from my physical.  I was in the RTZ at that point, but that lasted only a minute because I found myself walking through a door into a house full of people.

I thought I had drifted into a dream so I lay down on one of the couches in one of the rooms, only to have some people come by asking me what in the world I was doing?..lol.  I started to explain OOBE's to them.. they seemed interested and just stood there watching.  I have no idea why I did this but I started doing my relaxing and had the same sensations of exiting.  I floated right out and floated past all the people that had been standing there.

So there I was floating and looking at all the other people walking around and then noticed one little girl whom was floating above the floor about the same height I was floating at...around 12in.  I had passed her in the hallway.  My mind started thinking waaaay too much.. 'why was she floating and no one else, am I in a dream, what is this place'..etc..  I'm sure alot of you know what I mean, it was twenty questions all at once in my mind..  This caused me to whoosh back to the couch.  WHAT!!??  Now I was really confused.  

I expected to find myself back in MY bed..but nope I was laying on that silly little couch.  There were only two or three people there now and  I thought this has got to be a dream!!  Soooooooo, not one to give up easily I tried again, but now the couch was too uncomfortable for me.  I got up (walked) went over to another couch across the room, but there was a little girl laying there.  Not the floating girl, but a girl whom was trying to have an OOBE!  hehehe..I swear!  I started to ask her if we could switch, but before I could get that out she was up and going to the little couch I had just left.

I started relaxing again on the large, soft, comfy couch..  A man started asking me questions again.  I was trying to answer him, and was doing so in that slooooooow motion talk, you know the kind.... Like half of you is there and the other half isn't and you are desperately trying not to break the trance.  But he just kept asking questions and it was getting harder to keep myself in a semi feeling trance state.  So, I said.. "You are making it very difficult for me to do this, go get a deck of cards, pick a card and lay it on the table in the other room and I'll tell you what card you picked"   Once again, I have no reasoning on why I asked him to do this..I've never even done the card thingy..lol

I floated out and went right to the card.  It was hard to focus on it, but I did and went back to the couch and then got up, walked into the room with the card and the guy was standing there.  I told him the card..which I can't remember now!!!!!...too funny.. and he said..NO.  LOL!!!  I asked him "did I float in here or walk in here?"  "walked" he responded.  I mentioned the little girl floating around and said, "you have a ghost in here"  
(I want to add here, that I was really confused in the experience...thus why I walked back to the couch, thinking that I needed to wake up so the man could see me...yea, I'm a dork..)

Next thing, I'm in my body at my home, with my son asking.. "you awake mommy?"...well I am now my little onion head..  I was sooooo heavy I could barely move for a couple of minutes.  This doesn't happen often and the only thing that seems to correlate them are the fact that I struggled hard to stay out of body..

This was a confusing experience, but my thoughts now on it are, I was projecting but kept thinking I was in a dream, thus making me keep trying to project when I didn't need to.  Could this be why I felt so heavy after being woken up?

I hope someone can make sense of it, I know that sometimes others can see what is right in front of me so, please give your thoughts on this...if it makes sense at all..lol

Thanks,

Nay

[Selski]

Nay

I'm not one for making sense of my projections, never mind anyone elses, but I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

A lot of it correlates to my experiences, and I have to say, I had to giggle at some of the stuff you got up to - only because I've been in similar situations myself!

Nice one and thanks for sharing.

Sarah

[Nay]

Thanks Sarah!  It certaintly was a strange one..

Nay

[Nay]

Hmmmm..that is interesting and made me think!

When I project in my house it is always to the RTZ and I'm usually distracted by several of my pets that have died over the years and even though I love that, it takes up all my time and I end up not doing anything else.  I guess my subconscious new that, and I went some where else right away..thus confusing me...

That makes sense, thanks MT!!

Nay

[Telos]

It's interesting that you had to explain to that group of people what OBE's were.

That experience happens all the time with me, and it's very disconcerting. I mean, I achieve this great state of mind and freedom, and what happens? People are freaked out or confused. I take great steps to not alter their environment or trouble them any further, to the point where I'm no longer thinking of my own purposes and focus on not interfering with theirs.

After a short while, I got really sick of that, and took a complete laizzes faire approach concerning dream characters, and to ignore them completely. Stubbornly, some of them became angry, until they collectively would try to stop me from holding lucidity!

Later, I tried to help them, offering them techniques on how to become lucid and alter their reality. "Would you like to learn how to fly?" I taught others how to manipulate their reality, and it was fun for a while. I had very many memorable experiences. But every time I meet someone in a conscious experience, the result is the same. They are worried/frightened/suspiscious/angry and just plain preferred that I stayed on the ground and didn't disrupt their reality. It's like I'm a stranger in my own dreams!

Nay, while reading your experience, it sounds like you are a stranger in the places you visit, too. With this experience, do you think you felt like one?

[Nay]

Hi Telos.

First, I'll say they didn't seem upset with my presence at all, they seemed fascinated actually.   I would get the "feeling" if I wasn't suppose to be there, I just didn't know where I was..lol

Nay, while reading your experience, it sounds like you are a stranger in the places you visit, too. With this experience, do you think you felt like one?

Absolutely!  but I didn't feel unwelcome either, know what I mean?  I'd say I feel like that a lot, with the exception of the past-life dreams, when I feel I know someone even though their physical looks do not ring a bell.  I can also tell when someone is different from the rest of the players.  I can't explain it, I just feel it and know it.  The one person that felt different in this experience was the floating girl, but I never searched her out again...should have.

Thanks for your comments Telos!  Sounds like you're having some intersting experiences too.

Nay

[Potatis]

Nay, it was great to read your experience!

You said you thought it would be a perfect time to project when you realised your son was not up yet, and then you did project!

Do you usually have such a good success rate once you decide you will attempt a projection? hehe.. it sounded so easy! "Yeah, I've got a spare 10 minutes to have an obe, I'll just sit down here until the boy gets up, *WHOOSH* There I go..." . Hmm

Heh!

Potatis

[Nay]

Nay, it was great to read your experience!

You said you thought it would be a perfect time to project when you realised your son was not up yet, and then you did project!

Do you usually have such a good success rate once you decide you will attempt a projection? hehe.. it sounded so easy! "Yeah, I've got a spare 10 minutes to have an obe, I'll just sit down here until the boy gets up, *WHOOSH* There I go..." . Hmm

Heh!

Potatis

Hehehe...10 minutes Noooo..  I just don't bother posting about my relaxing and what nots anymore, that part is even more boring then some of the experiences.

I would say my success rate is pretty good, I'm certainly not complaining.   It varies really...out of ten tries I get out consciously four to five times.  It's been some time since I actually been trying for conscious projections, but I found myself fighting to STAY in!  So, something was going on there.  

And believe me, having a child, a four year old child really interrupts all that is involved.  For instance, it isn't even six in the morning yet, and guess whom just came in here and said, "what you doing mommy?" and my little pumpkin is now in my bed laughing and playing with the cat.   I doubt any conscious projections will happen this morning.  

I think my lucky stars I started meditations and spontaneous projections around 16yrs ago, or I doubt I would be able to get what I get.  Up until 2yrs ago I was able to meditate a good hour or so a day, while the little pumpkin took his naps, but he is hyper like me, and gave those up pretty early..

So, that is why I was sooooo happy to find him still asleep.

Nay

[Potatis]

Yes, the 10 mins was just a joke. It got my attention that you said you'd try for an obe and had one. 4 to 5 times out of 10 is very good. I have wondered what the success rate is like amongst the seasoned projectors.

I've been trying for a year, so my success rate is not very good. I am not disheartened at all, it feels like an obe is just around the corner. I have experienced some interesting things recently, and I have started to get lucid dreams regularly. Inside I feel this hmm feeling that something will happen. It's a kind of numb vibe, I don't know how to explain it, I just feel different, I feel confident about it, a warm numb sort of vibe.

Or maybe it means nothing at all LOL!

Potatis

[Tayesin]

Hi Nay,
Kids are fun aren't they ?  I had to plan my time for when my girl was asleep, around 8:30 pm, and did it regularly at that time every night.

To get away from the lower realms/levels/whatever you want to call them, so you don't un-bump your head when going through furniture,  have an Intent of where you will go.  And then go there.  Intent is a key to navigation.

Here's a strange concept from me to you....  Maybe...  when you projected from your bed at home, you crossed into another of the incarnations your Higher-Self has here now...  See, I told you it was a strange concept !

Just maybe...  in the life of the other Self, we can call it Fred, you dropped in somewhere and experienced the communication with other people and then the projection along Fred's silver cord ?

Sounds strange to me, and also very possible.

Have fun Nay

[Nay]

Potatis, you go for it and you keep that feeling close, I'm sure it means alot!!  

When I first started meditating, it was a astral projection book that taught me out to do so.  Even though I wanted to go for the gold that book had some really long drawn out techniques that just seemed silly..lol  So, I just practiced every single day on the meditation, for oh, I don't know, it had to be well over a year before I started having some fantastic dreams.   You see, I had no expectations back then, I was just happy to have the calm feeling of meditation and those lovely dreams to escape a crappy life.

Then it seemed everything started clicking into place... it has been a long and tough road for me and I've lost faith and my mind several times during my life..lol.  But it always gets better...always.

I think you have the right attitude, don't give up. and thanks for being so kind and interested in what I have to share.

Nay

[Nay]

Hi Nay,
Kids are fun aren't they ?  I had to plan my time for when my girl was asleep, around 8:30 pm, and did it regularly at that time every night.

To get away from the lower realms/levels/whatever you want to call them, so you don't un-bump your head when going through furniture,  have an Intent of where you will go.  And then go there.  Intent is a key to navigation.

Here's a strange concept from me to you....  Maybe...  when you projected from your bed at home, you crossed into another of the incarnations your Higher-Self has here now...  See, I told you it was a strange concept !

Just maybe...  in the life of the other Self, we can call it Fred, you dropped in somewhere and experienced the communication with other people and then the projection along Fred's silver cord ?

Sounds strange to me, and also very possible.

Have fun Nay

You know Tay, that doesn't sound weird at all..   When wisp was telling me about the purple aura, the book, the robe...  I would never attribute those things to the 'now' me, but I'm pretty sure I've been and am, some pretty interesting 'other-selves'   I've often wonder, where is this all coming from?  

I know they can't be just mere dreams...I had a mere dream this morning, and it consisted of me riding a aluminum boat down the street....hehe, I'd tell you the rest, but it just got down right weird from there..

When you mention about projecting along the silver cord, what popped into my head was a dream I had where I totally felt like I was inside another person's head.  There were two sets of thoughts, his and mine.  He was a soldier in Iraq or Iran, at least that is what it felt and looked like.  

I was totally along for the ride.  He was doing that Gi-joe thing, where you sneak around the buildings and such..that part was cool, but then...I couldn't make him stop from shooting a child that was weilding a gun at him.  It was a interesting point of view and distrubing as well.  He had no emotions about it, almost like a robot...he gave it not another thought that it was a child pointing that gun at him.  Actually I think the soldier and the boy were more alike than I'd like to admit.  That boy was taught probably from the day he was born how to kill, he was only doing what he was taught as well.

Anyways, I couldn't escape him until he passed out after being lost from his group, (not sure what the technical term is) for days and he finally found them, that is when he passed out and gave up, when he was safe.  I even saw the name of the...troop, maybe that is the word..lol.  but of course, can't remember the darn thing now.  But I do know that I have no idea what alot of this stuff looks like, so how in the world could I dream about it, if it weren't a bit real?

Or, maybe my other selves are just as hyper and nosey as I am, and I'm a busy little bee, hitching a ride making sure I don't miss a thing....

Thanks Tay!   You got me thinking...once again.

[Tayesin]

Hi Nay,
Your GI Joe experience reminded me of one of my own weird ones.

A few years ago I realized that in some dreams I was living moments of other people's lives, one in particular was in New York.

This male person in NY was being controlled by a rather nasty type who wielded a pistol to the head everytime the Male tried to get out of being used to case places and insure that people targeted for murder were at the right place and in the right time for it to happen.

I learned that this male had a wife and child who the nasty type would threaten to kill if the Male didn't do as he was told.

Last time I was the Male in NY, I tried to make sure he could get away from the controller and reach his wife and child.  Unfortunately, I was so intent on doing this that I did not get the memories needed to succeed..  so the nasty type found me and forced me to do his bidding again...at gun-point.

Once I recognized that this was another Self of the Higher-Self that I am now merged with, I haven't had that connection experience again.

And I understand that I had those experiences to bring me to the understanding of how the Higher-Self can and does have other Selves incarnate at the same time as ME.

I also learned that it is okay for other Selves to be living the lives chosen by the Higher-Self, and that I should not make value judgments about those other lives and their particular situations, and, that I can do nothing to awaken them..  it is not my role here to do so !

Now that sounds crazy, LOL

[Novice]

Boy am I feeling a bit less strange now!! Thanks Tay and Nay!  I have also had a few dreams in which it felt as if I were in someone else's dream. Meaning the characters and events didn't seem connected to 'me' at all. I have a pretty good memory for dreams and can remember at least one, usually 2-3 dreams a night. I also keep a dream journal with as much detail as I can (and some of these dreams sound like mini novels!)

And most of them, regardless of how weird they get, I can identify with as far as symbols/aspects, etc. But there have been some that completely escape my ability to personally relate to them. I hadn't considered this concept before. Some I am sure were flash backs to past lives. But there are others with a current lifetime feel to them, if that makes sense. And yet up to now I had assumed that I was somehow accidently invading the dreams of others, as the person, places, events and feelings seemed completely foriegn to me.

Thanks a bunch for sharing this -- it really helps!

[Nay]

Tay, that is wild!  

Novice, I just got to hear more of your experiences!  I'm really loving how this topic has brought up some new ways of looking at my dreams as well.  It might even cause some more interesting dreams..

Take Care,

Nay

[Novice]

Well, I've had two types that I think may fall into this theory....maybe.  I'm not a very open person, so I hope it doesn't sound like a 'cop-out' when I say I'm not comfortable posting details publicly. (if it does -- I apologize ahead of time). But I will give you some general info on my experiences:

I had one that was similar to what you both describe. Its like you know who you are but you are inside someone else and watching their thoughts and emotions, but yet you are seperate and not really experiencing them yourself. You have seperate thoughts, but seem unable to influence the body you are in. Its as if there is the consciousness of the person/body and then your consciousness is inside it at the same time watching and observing. I've only had this happen once. ANd I'm not sure I'm explaining it correctly.

The other thing I think may be related but is different, is being in a dream in which you are you, you have your own body and are conscious of who you are and where you are. But the people and the scene feel different from a dream. There is a 'real' feeling about them, and yet you don't know them or where you are, except that you are in their home. In this dream, I was there to help someone, which I did. It felt real, but not like a dream-real. There was a very different feel to it, but I wasn't occupying another body. It was as if I somehow ended up inside another person's life for a moment. I could instantly see history and feel emotions connected to the events. But was seperate and knew I was there for a reason. Although I didn't know why until the end of the experience. After helping the one person, I never had a dream about them or anything like it again. So how thoroughly confused am I making you now?  

I guess, my thoughts on this last experience was that it is possible for the higher self to help someone else (not sure if its another 'you' incarnating or another being altogether). And that you can be conscious of what is happening without knowing how or why. Its as if you are conscious of your actions, but you are doing things and saying things that are driven by the higher self and not your conscious self. I've had this happen a number of times where you will be fully conscious of what is going on and suddenly words come out of your mouth that didn't come from the conscious you. Or you observe as you do something, but you are consciously not aware of what you are about to do until you do it. And yet what you did or said was exactly what was necessary.

Ok, I'm stopping here because now that I read this, I'm making absolutely no sense.  

Sorry Nay, I'm not much help here. I'm still trying to figure out what's going on and thus I'm not real clear on what it is just yet to describe it. So I think I'll just sit back and read and watch and keep my 'mouth shut' for awhile, for fear of causing more confusion than help for others!

[Nay]

Sorry Nay, I'm not much help here. I'm still trying to figure out what's going on and thus I'm not real clear on what it is just yet to describe it. So I think I'll just sit back and read and watch and keep my 'mouth shut' for awhile, for fear of causing more confusion than help for others!

Are you kidding me???  You explained it VERY well and even showed me a couple new ways of looking at some situations I've found myself in over the years.  Well done!

I totally understand about not wanting to share though, and please do not feel you have to... I wouldn't mind though..*wink, wink*

Take Care,

Nay

[Novice]

wow, you not only understood my babble, but said it was helpful??? Hmm, you may be more confused than I am!    (just kidding!)

Thanks! I'm glad I wasn't sounding too 'far-off' in my description.

Not sure if what I described sounds familiar or not. But like I said, I think its somewhat related, in that the words and actions were definately driven by the higher self. I was more or less just (consciously) along for the ride. Kinda like a hands-on learning experience, if you know what I mean.

Maybe Tayesin has had something similar or has thought on this too.

[Tayesin]

Hi,
Yes, Novice said it perfectly.

And I know exactly what you mean about your other dreams and awareness of you in those 'dreams' that are not dreams.

I also get many where I am involved in group discussions that are important, I recognize the feeling of all the people there, and have a great in-depth knowledge of the discussion material, but, as I awaken I am drifitng back to my body's reality of waking up.  Then the memory fades rapidly, leaving me with only the feelings of an important meeting with a group of associates/friends.

So I intend to work at being fully aware during the return to body awareness so that I can build towards attending these meetings 'voluntarily' and with complete awareness.