Appeal for help

[LPC]

I am currently trying to develop a new webpage on the specific subject of animals on the astral - both domestic and wild. I did a search on this forum, but didn't find anything apart from my original thread when I joined.

I'm sure that there are many experienced APers on this forum who have encountered animals during their visits. If so, I would be truly grateful if you could PM with your experiences:

What sort of animals did you see?
Were they with other animals or with people?
Could you communicate telepathically with them?
What interaction did you have with them?
What levels of the astral did you observe them on?
Anything else of interest...

My own experience, for what it is worth, is that animals are to be found on all levels of the astral, rather like humans. Assuming 7 levels in total on the astral, in my experience on level 4 they can understand one's thoughts but not all can "speak" telepathically. On level 3 and above ("ascending") I have found that they can both understand and communicate telepathically, just as humans. It would seem that the level depends upon their spirituality rather than raw intelligence.

Any contributions will be most gratefully appreciated! I came to AP fairly late in life, so the experiences of long-term projectors will be invaluable. Thank you in advance....

[the8reader]

problem is that they may not be animal at all... its just how you preceave them in the relm. so you may see them as animals cuz that is less scary to you. some may only see shawdoey things..

[LPC]

Oh, dear! Is there no-one here who is able to help? 

[majour ka]

Intersting project. I can only speak from my expirience as a spiritual medium. Animals are often presented to me by the people they are with in the spirit world. I'm often able to not only describe them to the recipient of the message but also talk about the animals personality and often their names. I haven't seen any during astral travel personly. But I know that they remain emotionally bonded to people here or people in the spirit world they have shared their lives with. Which often brings great comfort to the people receiving the message, regards.

[LPC]

Thanks, Majour, for taking an interest.

[citizensnipps]

I sadly have nothing to contribute to what you are putting together but I am so glad you are doing so- I wonder about our animal friends in the spirit realm quite a bit and I can't seem to find much info. kudos!

[Contenteo]

Noble intentions, however, I have unfortunate news. 

Animals are a result of physical evolution.

Evolution happens in Time.

Time doesn't exist, especially in the Astral. It is not a place.

&

An area of consciousness is not a designation of a level.
It is not a place or thing.
It is not an area in space.
An area of consciousness is a focus of attention!
                                               -Frank quote

There are different Focuses of the Astral, the most common is a private realm of your imagination. FoC2

I fear that even if you succeed, in the end, the fruits of your labor will have, for the large majority, created a taxonomy of a sample sizes' imaginations. I wish not to discourage you, but save you the time from creating a work of fiction, if that is not your intent.


Cheers,
Contenteo

[majour ka]

Noble intentions, however, I have unfortunate news. 

Animals are a result of physical evolution.

Evolution happens in Time.

Time doesn't exist, especially in the Astral. It is not a place.

&

An area of consciousness is not a designation of a level.
It is not a place or thing.
It is not an area in space.
An area of consciousness is a focus of attention!
                                               -Frank quote

There are different Focuses of the Astral, the most common is a private realm of your imagination. FoC2

I fear that even if you succeed, in the end, the fruits of your labor will have, for the large majority, created a taxonomy of a sample sizes' imaginations. I wish not to discourage you, but save you the time from creating a work of fiction, if that is not your intent.


Cheers,
Contenteo

while I understand what your saying. Animals are also a manifestation of spirit...are you also suggesting then that we wont find human spirit outside of a realm where time doesn't exist as it does here? Humans are also a result of physical evolution....and both continue to exist in the spirit world...focus 3...and can travel & therefore exist in the astral...where do animals dream?
PS LPC, Gordon Smith, one of the worlds most prolific mediums has written a book all about animals in the spirit world. One of the best messages I have seen (and ive witnessed hundreds!) was a communication from a dog to its owners (I kid you not)...when I was at a demonstration with Gordon Smith in London..the evidence he gave from the dog was simply mind blowing !!!

[Contenteo]

I don't disagree that animal spirits exist in the Astral. In fact, I am saying just that.

It is their forms that are subjective. Just as the apparatus of a living entity in the physical plane depends on what point in time you observe the progress of evolution of that species. As does the perception of the animal to the beholder on that plane. For instance, There has been numerous accounts of guides coming in all different shapes and sizes. Most times in the shape that one least expects.

Globular Entities seems to stay somewhat intact through the transition process, but information that would lend itself into a progressive taxonomy of creatures appears to be completely lost. In my research I have found sequential manifestation and change to be one of the few advantages to this physical realm. Intent causes instant change over there. Why evolve when you can change shape on command?

I do think the intentions are noble, I just do not want to let LPC to exhaust his/her valuable time in a quest to create a fictional webpage if the intentions are to create nonfiction. There is a high probability that the animals she would collect through her research process may be conjured in the lower Foci of the Astral.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[LPC]

Contenteo, I do not quite understand where your arguments are leading. If any attempt to collect the experiences of people meeting their pets on the astral would result in fiction, then does that mean that a similar attempt to compile the experiences of meetings with people we have known (family, friends) on the astral would equally be fiction? Or you suggesting the old fashioned view that humans are "superior"? Intellect and spiritual awareness are not the same.

If we can meet people who have passed over, we can meet animals we have known, too. If you think that APers meeting those who have passed over will result in fiction, you are entitled to your opinion. But it just that - your opinion. Others equally have the right to differ.

Majour, thanks so much for your helpful reply. Can you supply details about Gordon Smith?

[Under_the_Midnight_Sun]

I agree 100% with you Contenteo.
LPC, if you were to begin compiling a database of animals seen on the astral you would just be creating a database of what the projector perceives the animal as. The true form of any being in the higher realms is entirely subjective. They can fly as birds, or swim like fish.
So, you'd be creating a list of proposed species, but would soon realize the list would go on infinitely, as projectors share what they saw. For example, two projectors could be looking at the same animal being, but record it down as something entirely different.

Meeting pets on the other hand would be a semi-objective experience. YES, you'd see your loved pet as YOU remember it. The energy is the same but you perceive it like you'd EXPECT to.
The same thing goes for family and friends. They may take on an entirely different form (what they perceive themselves to be), but you (the true observer) would see them as you remember.

Everything in higher realms is just ENERGY without a physical form, so we must not look at it from our physical dimension perspective.

Regards,
UMS

[Szaxx]

Anyone can be anything out there.
If we look at it as numbers, (not maths), in the physical we use base 10. For every place value we get 10 times the value of its lower. In the astral things work differently.
Linear scales we know as above but the astral is non linear. Its like a logarithmic scale where each value is non related the first value is sexagessimal the next is a complex function of the lower dependant on its value of known numbers or letters unknown to us the third ends up being anyones guess as its dependant on mood.
Or as said in a previous post we see that expected only limited by the imagination and this is limitless in itself.
Its confusing isn't it.

[Contenteo]

LPC,

My apologies, your post gave me the impression that you were trying to figure out a taxonomy of the animals in the astral, when what your last post revealed seems to be you are more interested in simply collecting intriguing stories.

No argument, I am just being your critical friend before you start pouring yourself and your time into a long project. You need food for thought right now. You will learn a lot from this experience, how much depends on how strong your foundation is when you start.

Just remember, as you go forward, the forms these animal entities take are completely subjective in relation to the entity experiencing them. Information exists, but not a stable observable membrane form.

And yes, I would argue that human brains are superior, but in the way in which a larger star will draw in a smaller one. Both have monumental power, but it is all relative. And relativity only on this physical plane, as Szaxx so keenly pointed out, because relativity mathematical, thus linear.

hmm...and old-fashioned is also relative. I am sure the Egyptians and Pagans had this stuff much more figured out than the current mainstream religious establishments. Just because we know how to specialize our fields of study doesn't mean we are any closer to the truth.

Best of luck on the project.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[majour ka]

Hi everyone, Just reading through I think some of us may have misunderstood what the original question was.

Or maybe I have lol ! I think also LPC you might find that people here are intelligently answering the question from the perspective that the astral plane is a very subjective level of existence and therefore what we experience there is often likely to be our subconscious or wishful thinking.

But I feel you are more interested in the continuation and progress of the soul/spirit/intelligence of the pet beyond the physical form, which from my experience not only is a FACT I know they do because I often see them. But that seems to be in the "spirit world" the realm of existence beyond what we might call the astral realm.

I don't know what happens with wild animals though?

There is also mention here of how the form as we recognise it from a physical perspective starts to lose its necessity and fall away as we move into the subtle realms of existence and that guides often take on a more subtle or other chosen form etc and while I have no doubt that is true, I really cant see how or why that would pertain to our pets? not at least until we had started to progress in that sense our selves. But I'm sure we would still might recognise them even from an energy signature as long as we have an emotional bond with them at some level.

Regards.