What do you do if your lover is having relationships with astral entities from other worlds? Is this cheating? I have heard a friend of mine has a husband that AP's into other dimensions (or at least claims too) and is in relationships with many people at once in different worlds, both romantic and sexual. Is this cheating? Or does the AP world work differently?
I wouldn't consider it cheating. But if I was in a relationship, I wouldn't mention it to my partner in case they considered it was cheating. What you don't know know can't hurt you. :wink:
We're all individual souls at the end of the day, and it's normal to have aspects of ourselves that we don't share with anyone, even our partners. It's a safe bet that they're probably not telling you everything that goes on in their head, (and are probably wondering if they should) - whether in dreams, fantasies or projections. You have to draw the line in the physical I believe.
i think if you was inlove you wouldent sleep with aliens just coz you can get away with it
:NoY:
Personally I never really understood the whole "committing yourself to one person forever" thing. It's a product of religious dogma if you ask me, and goes against human nature. The whole idea is so crazy it could only happen in the physical plane.
The world should be one huge harmonious commune, with everybody having sex with whoever they please, and children raised by the whole community instead of devisive familly units. Call me an old hippie but.....(waffle...drone..)
Cheating is cheating! If your partner is open then tell them, if they object, refrain.
If you can't or won't refrain, get a partner that is open to it, because otherwise
you're still sneaking around. If you feel you should have openness in a relationship
and you think you should have sex with whom ever you want, you should pick
a partner that feels the same way. That theory of "what they don't know", is wrong
and it's sneaky. Most people who seek to AP are looking for higher guidance.
I don't think being a sneaking cheat, really fits in with that. If you are able to
leave your body and have sex in the astral then just stick to that, or like I said,
find a partner that is like minded and agrees with you. Then you are not sneaking
and can be open, not walking around with a secret all the time. You owe that much
to your significant other.
I don't really agree that it's sneaky to retain some aspects of your life as private, especially non-physical aspects. You have to draw a line somewhere. Is fantasizing cheating as well? As long as you're not physically cheating on someone the rest is out-of-bounds as far as I'm concerned. And if I was in a relationship I wouldn't be bothered by my partner enjoying that same privacy, which is a basic human right in my opinion. Anything else is thought-police territory.
If you don't mind if your partner does it, that's fine. I think you should both be aware.
If you're having sex with a "spirit" you're cheating on the ultimate level. If you don't
see that, then I guess they let anybody out there. The fact that you don't think
it's cheating, speaks volumes about you. Are you making it out into that realm, because if you
are, I hope you're open to the lessons one should learn.
The astral plane is not some playground to get your rocks off in. It's about finding the true nature
of being. You are completely missing the point. Have at your fantasy, but when you enter the
astral realms you are at the very peak of "self" and if you are out there having sex while you
have someone you "supposedly" love next to you in bed, you are cheating them out of an
experience that should be shared with them, otherwise, remain alone! Just because you tell
yourself you're not cheating, doesn't mean you're not cheating, you're just making yourself
feel better under false pretenses. I'm guessing you are alone, if not, I feel sorry for the person you're with.
The family structure is important to the proper raising of kids in my opinion.... I would not like to live with a bunch of superficial permiscuous sex freaks in a commune, the children would be raised with no moral fiber and would have to many questions (why was daddy kissing mom 5 minutes ago and this other random chick now?). Not to mention how much we could lose track of our family lines and eventually unknowingly inbreed. Anyways, could one consider Focus 2 cheating fine, but what about Focus 3? Supposedly those are real people not sub-councious creations, so would astral sex in F3 be considered cheating? :-D
I must confess I was not 100% honest. It was not my friend, it was myself. My wife to be is with at least 3 different partners in astral planes. Some of these partners are character from videogames and television shows. I love her more than anything, and so when I ask her why she is with other entities, she said "they're not really me, they are my counterparts" as she takes over another person in that world. But she feels everything from the sexual acts that take place. I do NOT do this. I WOULD not do this. I am loyal to just one, and it is her. But she says it isn't cheating. And also, she tells me all the details of what she does with them. It breaks my heart because I love her so much. I cannot tell her not to AP because she lives most her life Split Projected into other planes and in most cases, all I ever hear about from her is her Astral lovers. And how she romances and sexes them. She has even told me she has children in other worlds.
Unyet she insists she isn't cheating on me.
It is most likely her astral partners are Focus 2 creations from her own mind, so in essence, it isn't any different that fanatasing about someone other than your partner. It seems weird that she would bother telling you that though, maybe you should tell her about your own fantasies so she sees how jealous that can make someone? Anyways, the point of astral travel is not to have sex, it is to learn about your spiritual side, maybe you should point out that she is being counterproductive by spending so much time on astral sex, of course, she probably dosen't think of you as an authority on the topic so she may think youre just trying to get her to stop having astral sex/projections.
Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 09, 2010, 17:05:46
It is most likely her astral partners are Focus 2 creations from her own mind, so in essence, it isn't any different that fanatasing about someone other than your partner. It seems weird that she would bother telling you that though, maybe you should tell her about your own fantasies so she sees how jealous that can make someone? Anyways, the point of astral travel is not to have sex, it is to learn about your spiritual side, maybe you should point out that she is being counterproductive by spending so much time on astral sex, of course, she probably dosen't think of you as an authority on the topic so she may think youre just trying to get her to stop having astral sex/projections.
So, basically, if her astral sex/relations are characters from games etc, these would be Focus 2 creations? As in a fantasy of sorts? Are all fictional characters in the AP world Focus 2?
I would say yes most likely, unless a focus 3 person was intentionally trying to appear as a fictional character. It is rarer but I think other entities can get into your Focus 2 territory, but I kinda doubt that is the case in your situation.
Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 09, 2010, 18:11:12
I would say yes most likely, unless a focus 3 person was intentionally trying to appear as a fictional character. It is rarer but I think other entities can get into your Focus 2 territory, but I kinda doubt that is the case in your situation.
This is a huge weight of my chest, thank you. My knowledge on the Astral World is small at best. I appreciate the help. If they are Focus 2 entities then I guess I shouldn't worry so much? Since it is merely a fantasy.
Quote from: sublimy99 on May 09, 2010, 11:49:48
If you're having sex with a "spirit" you're cheating on the ultimate level.
Maybe, but what if you're having sex with a creation of your own subconscious? Then it's just fantasy isn't it?
And it's a rare person who can put their hand on their heart and say that they've never fantasised about anyone other than their partner.
Quote from: sublimy99 on May 09, 2010, 11:49:48
The astral plane is not some playground to get your rocks off in. It's about finding the true nature
of being.
Are you quoting from some astral rulebook here? To me it's a subjective experience, and no-one can dictate what it is or isn't about.
I have a few things to say-
If it doesn't bother you that she fantasizes about sex with another men (such as actors, for example) then this should not bother you, so it depends on how jealous of that type of thing.
However, as to what nick was saying, (living in a commune, etc.) I have a few things to point out:
Yes, it is not 'natural' for most humans to be faithful to each other, but humans as a species, are 'serially monogamous', that is, they stay with one partner as long as there are young children, and after they have reached a certain age, move on to the next. So humans are monogamous, but not 'for life'.
Each person is different- some people are more drawn to monogamy than others, and what is natural for you may not be natural for another- I'm not talking about cultural rules, I'm talking about genetics. Some people are more prone to monogamy, and if they were able to match up with others that are like them, I'm sure there would be a little bit more harmony.
Communal sexuality is not 'natural' for humans (it is for some other primates, though)- because if humans lived in your described commune, incest would be an inevitable consequence of such a lifestyle- since parentage in such cases might be unknown. That's why the monogamy in 'serial' monogamy.
Men tend to want to spread it around more than women- even those who are attracted to that kind of lifestyle, most women, once in it, realize they will become attached to one specific man over another (what is known as 'pair bonding') and the arrangement will stop working for her, and drama will follow.
So, back to the original question- it's not whether she is having 'astral sex' with nonphysical beings, it's whether she cares how this makes you feel. If she's telling you about it to 'turn you on' it's one thing- if she's telling you about it to hurt your feelings, well, the writing is on the wall.
Ok, sorry for almost derailing this thread.
If she is having sex/relationships with other beings, even if they are not ACTUAL, physical, people(or are creations of her mind) , she is still having sex with other *beings*.
The difference between fantasizing and (IMO) cheating, is in this case she is acting it out, therefore it no longer becomes fantasy; but reality.
Then again I guess it depends on your idea of 'cheating'.
Why don't you tell her how you feel? If she really loves you, she should understand and respect how you feel about this..
Quote from: missym on May 09, 2010, 19:17:38
If she is having sex/relationships with other beings, even if they are not ACTUAL, physical, people(or are creations of her mind) , she is still having sex with other *beings*.
The difference between fantasizing and (IMO) cheating, is in this case she is acting it out, therefore it no longer becomes fantasy; but reality.
Then again I guess it depends on your idea of 'cheating'.
Why don't you tell her how you feel? If she really loves you, she should understand and respect how you feel about this..
I have told her a few times, but she says it's a different plane and so it doesn't count. But surely if they are Focus 2, they are only imagination? Because the beings are in her mind of sorts? Can this really be considered cheating if it is with fictional characters?
I must confess that if she thought she was hurting me she would probably leave me. And I couldn't bare that.
Quote from: The Doctor on May 09, 2010, 19:22:50
Can this really be considered cheating if it is with fictional characters?
no, only that which is objective.
Simply put, use your own judgments... use your own ethics and morality. :)
~Ryan
Quote from: The Doctor on May 09, 2010, 05:03:52
What do you do if your lover is having relationships with astral entities from other worlds? Is this cheating? I have heard a friend of mine has a husband that AP's into other dimensions (or at least claims too) and is in relationships with many people at once in different worlds, both romantic and sexual. Is this cheating? Or does the AP world work differently?
If you knowingly did it and you felt like you cheated, then you cheated. I went down that road in an AP/lucid dream recently. I consciously chose it just to see what it was like.
You know the old saying.....
What happens in the astral, stays in the astral. :evil:
Once you start imposing physical world restrictions and boundaries on the out of body experience doesn't it lose it's whole essence (ie: complete freedom) and eventually become a carbon copy of the physical?
If someone feels no desire to stray, then they won't. But if they do have that desire and they prevent themselves from acting on it, then they're subjecting themselves to physical world codes of conduct, which have a reason to exist in the physical but no reason to exist in the astral. If people want to restrict themselves they have a perfect right to do so of course, but it's a personal choice.
Should you be honest about it and tell your partner? I think that if all our thoughts could be heard by others society would crumble in a matter of hours. We keep much of what goes on in our heads private to avoid causing offence, pain and conflict. It's just the way human beings are wired.
I brought up this topic in our chatroom and what I said is that, while in the astral, your mind works differently, e.g. your memory, your instincts. At least, this is what I experienced.
Recently things have gotten bad. My lover is always acting very affectionate towards these videogame and TV characters, and not at all to me anymore. Now, when I tell her I love her she either never says it back or gets angry with me. I tell her little things (not getting to private here) and she says "not really into this" and then yet when these fictional characters do this she's in a giggly and lovey mood. This is wrong to me. These characters are getting the affection that I feel should be shared with me.
Sounds like someone needs to be a bit more attentive to their partners needs. :)
If she's special to you, you'll do whatever it takes to keep a hold of her.
It also sounds like you two need to sit down and have a talk.
Communication is key to a solid relationship.
If you can't talk about what's bothering you with her... then perhaps you need to second guess your relationship.
~Ryan :)
Read "My Platonic Sweetheart" by Mark Twain. It may influence your feelings about these relationships.
http://www.searchwithin.org/download/my_platonic_sweetheart.pdf
Or it's just a cute tale. Either way I have always said "if it feels good, do it; if it doesn't, don't."
I've decided to let her do what she wants in the astral. I have her in the physical, and I love her more than anything in the world. And I know she loves me too, that is all I need.
I don't believe she is comfortable with too many romantic words, but I see she loves me in her actions and other things. I believe in us.
Aww you big soppy blanket!
If its worth fighting for then stick with it, however I would certainly be questioning her motivations. Also, I see "The Astral" as just an extension of our physical reality, I think Frank called it "Wider Reality" and I agree with this term. Its all real, physical or not (IMO) and I would certainly not be happy about my wife doing what you describe in Physical or non-Physical REALITY.
Just had to jump into and out my .2 into this discussion.....:)
Plus, it has been awhile so it will be good to start posting again!
Anyways, from reading previous posts in this thread is it cheating during the obe? I tend to feel from experience is that if that is your prime reason for leaving the body "yes" it is indeed cheating.
This is a touchy matter because everyone has their beliefs and different perspectives. I think the best way to look at this is: what you feel inside, is it hurting your healthy physical relationship, and most of all the energy - does it feel positive or negative. You have to make it clear with your significant other what is happening.
Anytime when you have a commitment between two physical beings (man/woman) and there is a bond, strength and love. Then a outside influence comes into play - then we react to competition, what does that person have that I don't etc.. The energy itself turns dark and negative which there is now pain.
Imagine this if you may, lets say you found out that your other was having a relationship with a blow up doll. Fantasy or not, mental or physical it will put a strain on the relationship if the other does not approve.
We don't need to look at religion to says it's conformity to prove right or wrong. Just observe the reactions of what your other accept or not.
I have been OBE so many times and in my earlier years, wasted so much energy of trying to "score" then focusing on the big pictures and that is "Love".
Tvos
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 13, 2010, 06:06:23
Aww you big soppy blanket!
If its worth fighting for then stick with it, however I would certainly be questioning her motivations. Also, I see "The Astral" as just an extension of our physical reality, I think Frank called it "Wider Reality" and I agree with this term. Its all real, physical or not (IMO) and I would certainly not be happy about my wife doing what you describe in Physical or non-Physical REALITY.
Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?
I will never be truly comfortable with her having astral relationships. Not ever. But is it worth losing her over? Absolutely not. Nobody has touched my heart the way she has. And I want to hold on to that, always and forever. Until the day I die.
Quote from: The Doctor on May 14, 2010, 05:03:36
Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?
There is no such thing as "fantasy" in that regard, the fictional characters are somewhere in f2oC in a place reserved for her, however only she can subjectively experience them. Thus, they are only "real" to the one who is able to subjectively experience them, whilst everyone else has to subjectively experience her subjective experiences through what is said by her. If they were objectively subjective experiences, then, they would be more to your "reality".
Quote from: The Doctor on May 14, 2010, 05:03:36
Is this the case even if the entities are Focus 2 fictional characters from videogames and TV shows? Or does that count more as her fantasy rather than reality?
Its all reality in my opinion. Just because you cant experience her F2, doesnt make it any less real.
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 14, 2010, 21:40:57
Its all reality in my opinion. Just because you cant experience her F2, doesnt make it any less real.
Well said.
Then perhaps I am inferior. Maybe I should just... die.
Quote from: The Doctor on May 16, 2010, 18:51:10
Then perhaps I am inferior. Maybe I should just... die.
How exactly did you come to that conclusion?
~Ryan
Because she is crazy about these fictional men but ... I mean she gets into a hyper happy state whenever they are around her or say something nice to her but me.. when i do it... nothing.
If the person is a regular astral projector, this boils down to your belief, because in their opinion these are real external entities, so they have the mentality to cheat because they are having relations outside of their physical relationships. If they believe they are only exploring the depths of there own consciousness its the same as imagining a fictional situation because it uses the same part of the brain, except instead of experimenting the fantasy in their minds eye they experience it with the physical senses.
Quote from: The Doctor on May 16, 2010, 18:51:10
Then perhaps I am inferior. Maybe I should just... die.
How does "she prefers someone else to you (physical or nonphysical)" translate into "I should die"?
I'm sorry to butt in but...
Are you sure she's not just teasing you, you know, like a jealousy game? Cuz, in all my years I have never heard of someone religiously practicing "astral sex". Just sayin', that really is kinda weird.
Arkwinds post was interesting...
Is this bothering you just cuz of the "cheating" aspect or is this because she is now too distracted to show you the attention you desire? If so, sounds like a hot rock needs to drop. If I sought out "astral sex" as she apparently does, I would have no reason to tell my significant other. Why would I? I would just enjoy the best of both worlds and keep my mouth shut. Who would know?
Lots and lots of fish in the sea (I love saying that).
I had to chime in.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 17, 2010, 16:16:07
How does "she prefers someone else to you (physical or nonphysical)" translate into "I should die"?
Because my life is meaningless without her.
Quote from: Psilibus on May 18, 2010, 05:59:36
Are you sure she's not just teasing you, you know, like a jealousy game? Cuz, in all my years I have never heard of someone religiously practicing "astral sex". Just sayin', that really is kinda weird.
I believed this too at first. But she tells me she has husbands, boyfriends and fiance's in these fictional worlds and even LOTS of kids. And she tells me this all the time. And she even has the nerve to tell me that these characters love her more than I ever could. How is this right? I have also occasionally spoken to her children through her. How is this possible? Is it an act?
And as if that isn't enough I spoke to someone else through her. He turned out to be a son she hasn't even had yet. Another son. In another plane again. A plane of a videogame I ONCE used to love. Now I can't even bare to look at it anymore. My childhood destroyed in a simple 5 minutes.
Listen, mate. You need to get a grip. Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying. Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die. You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.
Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young? I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life. Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better. Now ive never been happier. Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing. Learn from it what you can and move on.
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 18, 2010, 08:26:45
Listen, mate. You need to get a grip. Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying. Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die. You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.
Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young? I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life. Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better. Now ive never been happier. Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing. Learn from it what you can and move on.
THIS...
This is the best advice I've heard. :)
~Ryan
Quote from: AstralBeginnings on May 18, 2010, 08:26:45
Listen, mate. You need to get a grip. Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying. Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die. You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.
Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young? I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life. Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better. Now ive never been happier. Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing. Learn from it what you can and move on.
+1 :-)
Me 2.
Sounds like she is messing with you, and frankly, you sound like you're easy to be messed with.
Dude, try your first relationship getting cheated on for the whole time (3 years, with actual people not astral characters) and then tell me your dealing with issues. I can tell you with full confidence that this girl will not be a long term issue for you unless you make it one. At the time you worry about losing her but when shes gone you'd be surprised how quickly the pain passes. Someday youre gonna look back and wish you didn't allow yourself to be stepped on like this, trust me, your not really losing anything when someone who hurts your feelings is out of your life.
Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 18, 2010, 22:26:59
Dude, try your first relationship getting cheated on for the whole time (3 years, with actual people not astral characters) and then tell me your dealing with issues. I can tell you with full confidence that this girl will not be a long term issue for you unless you make it one. At the time you worry about losing her but when shes gone you'd be surprised how quickly the pain passes. Someday youre gonna look back and wish you didn't allow yourself to be stepped on like this, trust me, your not really losing anything when someone who hurts your feelings is out of your life.
Exactly.
Love is a very very strong emotion. But do not make the direct link between love and her. Relationships are hard work, requiring agreements and respect between both parties; and requiring each individual to make sacrifices. Without these, a relationship will not work.. no matter how much you love somebody, it's not always enough. Even if you leave her or she leaves you, don't think that you can never love again, or cannot continue on living without her. You can and will find somebody who will adore you, respect you and love you as much as you love them. Somebody who is amazing and who makes your heart jump everytime you hear their voice. The person who would do anything for you.
I don't want to sound rude, but if she is going to other men(in other dimensions or not) then it sounds as though she is not satisfied with what she has with you.. this is not your fault. You sound like a very loving, emotional, caring person. But you cannot force somebody to feel or want to feel something she does not..
And It will be okay.
It might be hard, you may cry, you may be depressed.. but life will go on. The sun will become brighter; the days will become happier. You don't have to put yourself through this for somebody who is not worth your pain.
Don't say that you may as well not be alive - don't give her that kind of power over you. You are strong and you can do this. Everything will be okay.. it just takes time. Time to think and time to heal.. Why not take some time to yourself, get to know yourself inside and out. Take a trip, make some discoveries - visit the Grand Canyon; or Florida. Swim in the Ocean, dive with dolphins. Take a ride in a hot air balloon..
In the end, we are all really only bonded to ourselves. You have the power to overcome anything - we all do. We were born with it, the ability to heal any wound. We just need to remember this.. and everything will be okay.
*big hugs*
I recently spoke to a Demonologist expert who tells me he believes this to be something completely different. He doesn't believe that she is AP'ing at all. When she was young she was exorcised of a demon several times and the Demonologist tells me what she is experiencing now could either be damage from the past exorcisms or possibly a demonic possession itself. He also believes she could even still be possessed. He also said its possible that an Incubus is feeding off her of sorts, appearing to her in the form of fictional characters to use her. And naturally, she would believe them to be the characters and not the demon. Is this possible? I am fully aware of the existance of demons, and this does seem to make a form of sense to me. Could it be? The people I speak to though her... could they be the demon? Or her imagination as a result of a damaged exorcism?
why don't you just stop making things up
Quote from: sola~ on May 20, 2010, 08:23:21
why don't you just stop making things up
I think I'll second that statement.
~Ryan
Is this thread still happening?
Quote from: personalreality on May 20, 2010, 14:42:51
Is this thread still happening?
Apparently.
Let's get some shoes!
monogamy is over-rated.
it doesn't really make sense either.
I wonder if anyone ever considered the possibility of a slightly smarter troll :-D having had its heyday around here
The whole thread is absurd. Just try to visualize the relationship....see. Either he is messing with you or he is severely damaged goods, with a demonic girlfriend (see the head spinning around :evil:) or
he is 12 and just learned a bunch of new words. Noone is that dumb. It seems to me he is just keeping the thread alive so he has something to do....fictional friends he can talk to about a fictional problem.
Just my 2 cents
If you are for real ...well :-o
Quote from: The Doctor on May 20, 2010, 07:38:49
I recently spoke to a Demonologist expert who tells me he believes this to be something completely different. He doesn't believe that she is AP'ing at all. When she was young she was exorcised of a demon several times and the Demonologist tells me what she is experiencing now could either be damage from the past exorcisms or possibly a demonic possession itself. He also believes she could even still be possessed. He also said its possible that an Incubus is feeding off her of sorts, appearing to her in the form of fictional characters to use her. And naturally, she would believe them to be the characters and not the demon. Is this possible? I am fully aware of the existance of demons, and this does seem to make a form of sense to me. Could it be? The people I speak to though her... could they be the demon? Or her imagination as a result of a damaged exorcism?
In my not so humble opinion, NO, none of the above is possible.
Quote from: Mustardseed on May 21, 2010, 00:29:37
I wonder if anyone ever considered the possibility of a slightly smarter troll :-D having had its heyday around here
The whole thread is absurd. Just try to visualize the relationship....see. Either he is messing with you or he is severely damaged goods, with a demonic girlfriend (see the head spinning around :evil:) or
he is 12 and just learned a bunch of new words. Noone is that dumb. It seems to me he is just keeping the thread alive so he has something to do....fictional friends he can talk to about a fictional problem.
Just my 2 cents
If you are for real ...well :-o
A smarter troll? Nahhhh! I think some folks just get off on the attention and seeings how we live in a over the board PC world,..well, just best to not feed the trolls in my opinion.
Quote from: Mustardseed on May 21, 2010, 00:29:37
I wonder if anyone ever considered the possibility of a slightly smarter troll :-D having had its heyday around here
The whole thread is absurd. Just try to visualize the relationship....see. Either he is messing with you or he is severely damaged goods, with a demonic girlfriend (see the head spinning around :evil:) or
he is 12 and just learned a bunch of new words. Noone is that dumb. It seems to me he is just keeping the thread alive so he has something to do....fictional friends he can talk to about a fictional problem.
Just my 2 cents
If you are for real ...well :-o
Complete with pea soup vomit?
Hmmm... definitely. LOL
~Ryan
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 20, 2010, 17:50:10
Apparently.
Let's get some shoes!
I'm wearing BOOTS.
Shoes.
Quote from: Mustardseed on May 21, 2010, 00:29:37
I wonder if anyone ever considered the possibility of a slightly smarter troll :-D having had its heyday around here
The whole thread is absurd. Just try to visualize the relationship....see. Either he is messing with you or he is severely damaged goods, with a demonic girlfriend (see the head spinning around :evil:) or
he is 12 and just learned a bunch of new words. Noone is that dumb. It seems to me he is just keeping the thread alive so he has something to do....fictional friends he can talk to about a fictional problem.
Just my 2 cents
If you are for real ...well :-o
Everything you said here is pretty f'in rude. Same with everybody who's agreeing with this 'troll' crap.. Not to mention saying can't be dumb enough to believe this, you had better take a look around this website, Astral projection is something that people think we are crazy for believing. I'd expect all of you to be more open-minded.. but apparently not. And whoever insulted this man, I hope you feel ashamed.
Quote from: missym on May 21, 2010, 14:03:10
Everything you said here is pretty f'in rude. Same with everybody who's agreeing with this 'troll' crap.. Not to mention saying can't be dumb enough to believe this, you had better take a look around this website, Astral projection is something that people think we are crazy for believing. I'd expect all of you to be more open-minded.. but apparently not. And whoever insulted this man, I hope you feel ashamed.
Missym,
We definitely respect your opinion on matters such as these...
But a few of us have been at this for a very long time and we're able to sniff out the fluff.
My "crap" meter has been going off on this thread for a while now.
It's always good to keep an open mind... but not so open that your brain falls out.
In other words, there is "open minded"... then there's just plain gullible.
~Ryan :)