Piercing painful very bad feelings

[Andali27]

Hi DaDestroya.

I've never had a REAL OBE.  There was only one time when I kind of sat up about 30cms from my body and there was this really strong vibration thing all through me and I had all this adrenaline rushing through my veins.  Of course, I've tried pretty much every night since then and haven't been able to do it again but I'm working on it.

I don't think age has anything to do with it.  I'm 17 but I've read lots of things on ther internet about people who had experiences when they were a lot younger (5 or 4 or something ridiculous) and not knowing what it is until they're older.  How old are you because I'm only 17 (just).

I've actually experienced pain in dreams before but not in the chrnonic way you described.
In fact, in one dream I had a really sore leg and I woke up from it only to find my leg was still sore.  I even got up and walked around my room to try and stop it hurting though now that I think about it, it could have been an OBE because I could hardly remember after it and I could see though I knew it was night.

Anyway, I actually came across something on the net and it may help you though I have like, no experience so all I can suggest was that you were trying to OBE but couldn't and got stuck. That 'stuck' resulted in pain.

I figured a while ago that though people say that you can't get hurt in your dreams, they mean in real life.  Several occasions have occured when I dream that something hurts and I can feel it.  I'm guessing that when you sleep, your body reacts the same way to pain or feeling.  You only dream in a state called REM sleep (and I don't want to sound like some smarty cause I'm not.  I just read a lot).  Otherwise known as Rapid Eye Movement, you may or may not know.  Because people have all these theories on everyone OBEing while they dream, that leads me to believe that we AP every night though we can't remember it, like a dream.  People claim that the astral body needs to seperate from the physical so that our brain/mind can sort through all the day's events and store away memories and discard others.  Basically, that's why we dream though in your case, I think it was Lucid dreaming but in a different sense.

I can only recount one and a half cases where I managed to realized I was dreaming and take over my dream.

I've read stuff on people entering different planes (like paralell universes or something) while OBEing.  Maybe that's where you went?

The ringing sound may have been you trying to seperate from your body but sub conciously not letting it.  This resulted in a conflict of senses and you got pain.  Maybe only your arm was trying to succeed in AP or maybe it was just your arm that refused.  Either way, because of the way you can recount it and how you tried to focus on your third eye chakra, is kind of saying to me that you were concious enough to realize what was happening so you may have been either in a really strong lucid dream or a partial OBE seperation.

As I said before, I'm no expert on the subject so all I'm telling you is from things I've read or asked about myself.  I've only Lucid dreamed a few times but always end up waking up.

Try going to this link here:

http://www.angelfire.com/or2/spiritspeaks/obefaq.html#Fear%20&%20Panic%20of%20Out-of-Body%20Experiences

Copy and paste it into your address bar if it doesn't work.

It has some information on feelings accompaining some OBEs.  Some people do experience fear, panic, and pain before seperation and most times that scares them out of doing it.

It's not really a sign that you're not ready because most OBEs happen spontaneously (spur of the moment).  Sorry if I keep breaking things down.  I don't know how old you are.

Anyway, I hope this helps you and feel free to send me a private message.  I can also suggest using one of the other forums, like the first one.  There's heaps of great members there who will give you loads of advice and help like they've done for me.

Hope I've been able to shed some light on your problem and sorry if I haven't.  See ya!

*Andali*

[DaDestroya]

Thanks Andali27, haha I'm 2 years older than you by the way!

I'm assuming that yeah, it must have been a lucid dream, but i had not performed the reality check technique thing (you know like when you look at your watch and ask if you're dreaming? that.). You're right though, I hadn't even considered it a lucid dream but the third eye chakra thing does sort of allow that interpretation..

But I do remember a similar situation a few days before the other experience where it could not have been a lucid dream, it was basically the same scenario but my brother (who was in the physical; awake and such) saw me physically struggling to escape it.

I was in my basement, in a couch, and sort of in a position between lying down and sitting with elbows bent, and forearms adjacent to each other, hands folded inwards towards my abdomen. I was resting for a bit, and then awoke in the paralysis situation, I knew what was going on because it's common for me and my family members to attain it every once in awhile (although none of them pursue it for its means of projection), so I decided to AP, or OBE, or something. As soon as I decided to intend on projecting, I started hearing a cracking noise emanating from the center of my head, which at the time I was thinking was like my bones literally breaking to pieces in my head, so I tried to focus on my smallest finger of my right hand, to reconnect with my body and exit this situation (I had read that any thought of the body allows the projector to reconnect to the physical). Unfortunately that didn't work, so I started to panic. When attempting to roll out of my body didn't work either, I tried to exit the situation ultimately by moving my hands, it's strange though cause as I thought about it, my hands started to feel like they were burning and this made me panic further and I was physically jerking about at arbitrary intervals, my brother saw this and recounted to me later that he refrained from intervening cause he knew that I've been studying this astral projection thing. I'm not entirely sure how I exited from all of that madness (my memory fails me even at the old age of 19), but I think it involved relaxing, and focusing my thoughts on returning back to normal, hence, I did.

The main difference between this experience and the previously mentioned one is that in the latter, I 'projected' into my brother's 'room' and there was no one to see me there. I think that there's a relation between the two experiences however.. cause I've had a lucid dream before and never went through any pain.. so now, I'll assume that both situations were of the astral projection or out of body experience type.

The hardest thing of all in these projection situations is finding out what's really going on; you've given me a bit of insight though, thank you for your analysis Andali!

-DaDestroya

[Andali27]

Glad to be of assistance.  At least you've projected (I think).  I've been trying for a couple of months and keep running into walls.

That crackling noise, I read something about it and according to that, it's pretty much perfectly normal.  It's got something to do with trying to seperate but I've come across various other posts where people had had the same problem as you.  It's more common than you think.  Actually, this might interest you.

You know when you're walking along beside someone and touch them and give them a static shock?  Well, you most likely know (being older than me ) that there's all those atom things and electron things in the air around us.  When you project, you're almost calling on thoses charges and becoming part of them in a sense.  So really, that crackling sound may have been the energy in the room around you filling you up almost.  I know, it sounds weird but the stronger you astral body/spirit so to speak, is, the harder it would be to project.  You're going against something that you're not really meant to do.  I mean, it's possible to do, yes but your natural place is inside your body.

How long have you been studying it for?

Think about it this way, there's a mirror of you inside of you, your astral body.  It can't speak and uses your body to do so.  Your body is kind of like a shell, or a protection for it.  When you project, you give up that protection and the astral body can only speak Telepathically or just with feelings and images.  Maybe AP is the key to telepathy, I don't know.

I think that you're getting stuck half way.  It has to be more than a Lucid dream because you can remember it all and your're 'with it' throughout the whole ordeal.  Something must be keeping you from projecting or maybe you don't have enough intention, so to speak but by the way you're willing to subject yourself to the possibility of pain each time you try, I think the intent is there.

Some people suggest that you read a lot of OBE/AP related text before you try and set a meaning for you to project. Set out a flight plan or something.  Maybe leave yourself thirsty and put a glass or water on the other side of the room.  When you project, the need will be there but you won't be able to drink the water anyway.

The other problem I think you may have, is panic.  When you find something going wrong, you panic.  Everyone has a different way that they project and that influences the way that the AP happens.  You tried to think about your finger but that wasn't your whole body.  Compared to the actual body, a finger is a really small part and therefore, the thought of it may not be enough to bring you back.  In a sense you weren't even gone.  You were trying to go but something was stopping you.  Maybe you have a preconceived thought of hour AP is going to be and are relying on that thought alone as to how it's supposed to go.

I'm not entirely sure but I think you're stuck as I've said before.

You said that your familiy members attain it everyone once in a while?  Has any member of your family had an experience with a ghost or spirit or something else supernatural?  Maybe there's something hanging around stopping you from projecting because of your real intent.

I can tell you, I'm a skeptic of ghosts and such but at the moment, I've been freaked right off attempting to project for a while because I mentioned AP to my parents (not saying I was trying it) and Mum went off on a tangent about the dangers of leaving your body behind for evil spirits so to speak to have access to.

Of course, she knows jack about AP and that you're always connected via that cord thing but she still scared me none the less.  So at the moment, I'm practicing relaxation techniques.

Another thing that I've read about that works is sleep deprevation.

In fact, the other night I wasn't really attempting to AP and something odd happened.

The sleep deprevation thing suggests that you go to bed later than your usual time and then wake up earlier.  Sometime during the middle of the day, read a whole bunch of stuff on OBE/AP and set an intention to project (the water thing maybe).

Take a nap but make sure you're uncomfortable.  Leave a window open or put some white noise on (a radio between stations), maybe some relaxation music.

Go through your paces whatever you do to project and you may get a result.  Try looking at something through your half closed eyes and when these little colored lights appear in your vision (like when you close your eyes and press your fingers hard to your lids and watch all the little lights), you'll know you're on the way.  They're called neural discharges though you may know that.

You'll eventaully enter a phase where these images will enter your mind from now where.  This is kind of what remote viewers do though you're acting more like a reciever for them.  Watch them passivly.  Don't attach meaning to them because if you do, your mind will go with it and turn it into a dream and you'll simply fall asleep.

I've read though, if you wake up during the night, don't move.  Just lay there still and fall back asleep.  When you wake up again you'll most likely be in paralysis.

I don't really have much else to say so maybe I'll ask you for advice on something.

The other night, I was trying that sleep deprevation thing though without a real intent to project.  I wasn't really meaning to but I went to bed late on Saturday night and accidentally woke up around 3:22 because my annoying little brother turned all the lights on so he could go to the toilet.  Soooo annoying cause his room is opposite mine.  Anyway, I woke up and for the life of me couldn't get back to sleep.

This was mostly because we had had the fireplace going and I could still smell smoke (I happen to have a fear of fire anywhere in or around my house because we live near a lot of bush area).  Anyway.  I was lying in bed freaking out and trying to get back to sleep while holding my nose.

I drifted while I was lying in an odd position and suddenly realized I was floating upwards above my bed.  It was an odd light feeling and immediete shock set in.  I started thinking 'back, back, back, body, body, body' and I was making downward frantic swimming motions.

I then tried to move my hand like I had read and felt the sheets of my bed under my fingers (oddly though I felt as if I was lying on my back).  I then returned to waking and was still lying in my odd position.

You're probably thinking, why the hell did you stop?  It was the day after my Mum freaked me out so imagine how I felt suddenly doing something I hadn't even set an intent to do.

Anyway, it was a nice feeling and I wouldn't mind feeling it again when I overcome my fear though I'm not discounting it as an AP though I didn't even want to project or just a Lucid dream (I had been reading about OBE/AP for most of that day).

Maybe you know what happened.

Anyway, I hope I was able to give you more advice.  If you want my email address so you can stop using a message board where everyone can read your posts, send me a PM (private message) and I'll send it to you.

Hope I've been able to help (even if I'm younger[])

*Andali*[]

[DaDestroya]

Hi Andali!

Heh, age really means nothing, I've learnt quite a bit talking to ya!

But yeah after this post I'll private message you, it doesn't bother me having anyone else read this, I'm just looking for advice from some honest and chillin people (very much like Andali here! ). I was just wondering if anyone else had anything to add to this but, heh whatever .

You're right though, I haven't read a piece of astral projection text in awhile... I remember after the first book I read (like 3-4 months ago) I almost accidentally projected twice in two days because the knowledge gained from it must have been soaked up by my subconcious. I'm currently reading something that's more about logic than anything of the metaphysical, and that too could be stopping me from projecting.

And yeah, some of my family members have beliefs of ghosts and such, my brothers have told me a few times about seeing ghosts around the way, and I did once consider that the painful sensations, the sleep paralysis too, could have been attributed to whatever ghost was ever-present. I've also asked for help projecting a few times and almost instantaneously got vibrations and/or paralysis, but I'm skeptical with the whole asking for help from a non-physical entity that you don't really know much about..especially when there are ghosts in the area .

Hmm, you never know though, it could either be that I've got some karmic duty to attend to before I can AP, or there's someone or something that doesn't want to be discovered yet.

Regarding your experience, which I honestly think must have been an AP, it is perhaps these same fears which older people have instilled in us that prevent us from realizing AP for what it is, rather than it being a gateway to demons an such.

But it's not only family members however, the media programs people to fear death and because we're taught that we can only leave this body by death, we create a natural barrier of fear that restricts us from projecting... there's countless times where I feel that I'm able to finally project but I don't know what will come next, or if it's really safe. I've gotta just grow outta that I guess, and erase the crap that I've been taught, and like re-teach myself.

So cool, tell me more about your astral experiences in a private message or somethin! This astral projection thing really has my interest, even though I'm not really getting anywhere far right about now .

Look forward to hearin from ya!

-DaDestroya

[Phong]

DD, I'm sorry if you made this clear and I didn't get it, but when you awoke did you find that your arms and ears were still in pain? Or was there some other discomfort, or no pain at all?

I've felt some very agonizing pain in my joints while trying to project in dreams, but when I awake I find myself in very comfortable and serene condition. I feel confident that they're related to the paralysis experience, as the pain in the dream also accompanies an inability to move that particular part, like it's "locked." So Andali may be right, that our awareness is "stuck" to our body and the disequilibrium manifests as a very particular agony.

A few nights ago, as I was doing a reality check on a very persistently realistic dream, I attempted to fly and floated a bit, but stopped as I didn't want to go through the ceiling and lose my bearing. For almost no apparent reason, though, I felt a violent smack right to my forehead and the pain reverberated for a few seconds. The vibration felt like an OBE exit sensation, so I actually wondered if my physical body got up and hit its head on the bed post, a brief moment of sleepwalking maybe. Eventually I woke up and I was in this really comfortable position under the covers, feeling undisturbed, and my head was nowhere near the post.

If it weren't for the concept of an "obe exit sensation," that pain would've been completely arbitrary, and I don't know how else it could've happened at a moment of lucidity. It's definitely a topic of interest for me.

[Edited for spelling]

[Andali27]

Violent smack ay?

In movies everywhere peple say 'pinch me I must be dreaming', someone will pinch them and they will be like 'ow!'

Of course, pinch yourself in a dream and it will be ow too.  I've been doing some research for a fiction book and I believe that this is because when you're dreaming, your mind is active and so is your memory.  Therefore, if you get hurt in a dream, or smell something or hear something, your brain is simply replaying a memory so you can feel that.  You may have broken your leg in a dream and the pain may not be so bad.  This could be because you have never broken your leg before so your brain won't know what it feels like.  It will try and compare it to something else and that results in less pain.

When I half APed, I came to sitting up because that's what my A body was doing, sitting up.

Your A body probably hit the beadhead or whatever but you may have been half in a lucid dream and that resulted in pain which didn't last when you fully woke but may have resulted in you shifting position when sleeping to compinsate for the lack of physical pain.  I think you may have tried to exit but had a kind of conflict that resulted in pain.

I don't know.  I've only had a full spontaneous AP before and that lasted a grand total of three seconds cause I was caught off guard after trying a sleep deprevation technique. They seem to work well though.  Anyway, hope that helps.

*Andali*

[DaDestroya]

Hey Phong,

no, it's like this; after I awoke from those situations, I thought that I was hurt or wounded from these experiences and I double checked to see if I was actually hurt. It's like getting hit in the arm really hard, thinking there's a bruise but checking and not seeing any mark whatsoever. My mind naturally associated cracking noises in my skull and ears, as bad painful stuff that was actually happening, in reality it couldn't have and actually wasn't happening.

Just yesterday I awoke from dreaming, and was trying to do that "wake up and go back to sleep" technique (which I currently forget how it's called at the moment), when I came out of my sleeping state cause I felt like I was fiercely biting my toungue, I quickly got up and thought to myself, "I didn't actually do this," and noticed there was no physical pain, only the thought of it hurting..I qwelled my thoughts and it dissappeared and I was all like, "cool."

I think what happened to you could be related to my experience here, it's like, your body thought that you were in danger (maybe in your really relaxed position, you accidentally hit yourself?) and tried to translate the feeling to you of how it would feel in the dreaming state. Kinda like what Andali was saying about the mind interpreting things that have never happened to it during a dream (refering to the breaking the leg thing).

I do not however, possess too much knowledge of my own situation, so I'm not too sure if what I've offered to you is of any use..I'm sure one day we'll all find out how to stop these hindrances eh!

-DaDestroya

[DaDestroya]

Ohkay, I'm not too sure how typical this is but I have been reading about astral projection from Albert Taylor's Soul Traveler, to the e-books available from Robert Bruce and I was not sure where this problem came from but i've only been attaining it recently. A similar occurence happened a few days ago but i will recount what has happened just a bit earlier from now.

I tried to get the sleep paralysis in my basement, it didnt work because i was in an uncomfortable position for my neck and back, but i still decided to continue it upstairs in my room. i immediately (i suppose) went to bed and started dreaming, although im not sure if it was lucidly. what i remember from my dream was that it started with me coming out of a state of intense pain and a piercing evil ringing painful sound that was coming from the center of my head, like between my ears. I also remember a paralysis even more restricting than whenever i try to ap regularly (although i've never had a successful ap so far as i know, ha) this paralysis was accompanied with intense pain in my left arm and the rest of my body, but most emphasis was put on my left arm.. in my dream i realized (although this was no lucid dream) that i was trying to astral project and tried to persevere further.. I tried it again after just coming out of that mad fit of pain and gained an experience of even more intense agony as i tried to focus on my third eye chakra and cleanse my mind of its thoughts..the pain was so intense that i tried to check to see if my left arm was ohkay, but i was busy wincing in pain and my eyes closed before i got to see my arm's condition (strange however..closing my eyes in a dream..is this possible?)..the pain in my ears subsided along with the pain of my entire body as i stopped trying but i still checked my ears for blood, only to find a feeling of dampness from my index fingers probings of my left ear..i then got up from where i rested and then woke up in reality, realizing that my left arm was positioned identically to how it was in my dream, atop a few pillows and a blanket (just like in my dream, except in my dream i was in a different room in my house, and the bed was in an awkward setup very much unlike  how it is in real life)..the pain in my dream was so staggering i still double checked to see if my ears were ohkay and if my arm was 'asleep', or hurt...

upon my awakening i thought about ap'ing and if this was an attempt on the part of my subconcious telling me to stop trying to ap' (the pain felt in my dream was unlike anything ive ever felt before in the physical or in dreamland), if i'm too young to do it (i read somewhere on a site called http://www.astralvoyage.com from a webmaster named anne that people who write books on astral projection are usually like 30 and up or somethin like that and so it's easier to do it when you're older [sorry, i don't have the exact link to where it is ]), or i'm just not adequately prepared...

welll, any advice would be appreciated and any analysis of events would be equally nice as well.

Thanks,
DaDestroya