I've been pondering about the nature of ITC experiments, where some groups have had on-going and reliable conversations with spirits through simple radio rigs and a lot of time "resonating" with the spirits in question. There are some tests (worlditc.org talks about some) which seem to pan out, as well as one or two other groups being able to do the same.
This makes me wonder about the possibility of mixing the two; if you had a sitter operating an ITC radio and another projecting it would, if successful, have some interesting ramifications.
Has anyone else thought to try this? I would think it would be easier to have verified than remote viewing that seems to work on the large or auric scale but sucks at reading micro-text.
Hi,
Have you tried reading micro text in ANY NP environment?
Its not easy.
:-D
You are right there... any text.
I once thought it was like trying to read writing on a glossy page thats just catching the light wrong.
Quote from: Szaxx on August 29, 2012, 17:28:00
Have you tried reading micro text in ANY NP environment?
Its not easy.
Quote from: Bedeekin on August 29, 2012, 17:33:59
You are right there... any text.
Exactly, as I mentioned above. :) However EVT/ITC setups involve recorders or radios and so they don't require you to
read anything! You just send messages through it, like morse code or if you're very skilled voice, and the other person can review it. George Meek has been found to send (weak) morse code, and some other researchers were able to send clear ("Class A") voices through.
Hi,
Im intetested. Morse code and electronics respecting communication systems are my job. Occasionally prototypes too.
Can you save me some time finding RELIABLE info on whats required to send and recieve.
Its new to me unless its known by another name.
Thanks.
Quote from: Szaxx on August 30, 2012, 06:13:52
Can you save me some time finding RELIABLE info on whats required to send and recieve.
The most reliable appearing resource in my present studies is World ITC (http://www.worlditc.org/), which claims to have been in strong contact with spirits for a period of five years (including, according to their sites, Dr Raudive who was a researcher as well prior to his death.)
I haven't applied a fully maximal amount of scrutiny to each of their pages; I've listened to some of the posted clips of Raudive's speech (but I don't have something to compare that to.) It would be good to find documentations to back up the claims that ITC operators let skeptics tinker with the radios to baffle debunk attempts.
Hello Skrylar
Regarding the Worlditc.com website. If you have not done so I suggest that you check out the audio recordings made by George Meek and William O'neill on the Spiricom device. Truly amazing! :-o If these tapes cannot convince a person of the survival of consciousness after physical death then nothing else will.
BTW I like your idea of trying to record an out of body person's voice on an ITC device. Maybe that could be a future project here at astralpulse (or at another website).
Regards 8-)
Grey
Hi,
It's an informative site. I've only looked at the equipment side of things. The germanium page is missing but thats not a problem, I've built a wideband unit in the 70's and germanium diodes worked best.
The simple circuit offered has 2 inputs which are on one channel. I've posted on here already a simple device applied to one channel and the microphone on the other. Todays recording gear is stereo in the least so not a problem.
I'll listen to some recordings and compare from memory any differences. I may build a unit that plugs into a mobile (cell) phone, time allowing.
The 'way its best done' will also be looked into, I'm sure it would be interesting to attempt this again. Some of the previous results were very strange.
Thanks for the link.
Quote from: Greytraveller on August 31, 2012, 12:57:09
Hello Skrylar
Regarding the Worlditc.com website. If you have not done so I suggest that you check out the audio recordings made by George Meek and William O'neill on the Spiricom device. Truly amazing! :-o If these tapes cannot convince a person of the survival of consciousness after physical death then nothing else will.
BTW I like your idea of trying to record an out of body person's voice on an ITC device. Maybe that could be a future project here at astralpulse (or at another website).
Regards 8-)
Grey
Sadly it seems that the Spiricom may never have worked, as O'Neil was paid on successes and is alleged to have developed schizophrenia. Since Spiricom required him specifically to be in the room and it was known to the researchers later on an 'artificial larynx' was found in inventory, it would seem that device didn't work. Admittedly the fraud in this case was not by the researchers, but the medium whom they gave a pay structure to incentivise cheating. They also didn't apply controls mediums are now subjected to with respect to gagging.
Macy says he used to get calls from Raudive on his phone, but the phone company's wiretap (conceptually put in place) showed no calls during that time. This seems to happen on
very rare occasion in anecdote. I wonder if a "real" spiricom is even possible?
Hi,
I noticed the vibrator sound too. It wasn't part of the filter or anything to do with demodulation properties as its sound can be heard prior to the voice. Its a speech tool for those unfortunate ones and have been around quite a while.
The telephone conversations having no incoming recorded data can easily be cheated. The operation of telephones is well known and a simple clip on device can be constructed by a child with the basics in electronics.
The digital reproduction of these recordings may hide more than help in a genuine recorded case and anyone making recordings should set the clock frequency to high. CD audio uses 44KHZ as an example. 16 bit minimum too. MP3 format can handle these requirements easily but memory will be used quite quickly when set for high quality reproduction.
Im researching this slowly as other commitments have priority at the moment. Not for long though...
Anyone with info on a proven device or system could post their findings, the feedback would be appreciated.
Skrylar
I have never read or heard of any allegations of fraud against either Meek or O'neil. Can you provide any references of these fraud allegations as I would be interested in reading them.
Regards
Grey
Hi,
Ouch...
http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?11917-Spiricom-Fact-or-Fiction-on-BoA-Audio
I wonder whats in here thats fact?
I came across the ITC website many years ago... it's quite intriguing to say the least.
There's really not enough proof either way to say it's true or it's a hoax... so just keep your mind open for now.
Hi,
Thats usually the case. An open mind is a must. I've made recordings many years ago and playback revealed sounds not present. They may have been RFI breakthrough but the content didn't fit this category.
Thats why a faraday shield is a must on sensitive equipment.
Ill keep looking though.
An App for Android thats very useful is called RecForge Lite, you can adjust the input mic and set the sensitivity.
Quote from: Szaxx on September 03, 2012, 12:58:52
An App for Android thats very useful is called RecForge Lite, you can adjust the input mic and set the sensitivity.
Oh! Hot damn, that sounds cool. Thanks Szaxx! :)
Hi,
I've just updated to the new version.
It's pretty damn cool. Read everything about it first (after a play) to get its maximum useage.
The display and edit functions are cool. It looks good too.
ITS ALSO FREE!!! :-D